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SP2/SP3 Query
Craigmill <craigmill[ at ]sky.com> 12/15/2008 9:22:02 PM
I am about to do a clean reinstall of XPpro.

Do I still need to install SP2 before SP3, or does SP3 include all the
SP2 fixes?

From what I have gathered SP3 includes all the SP2 fixes ut I just
want to be sure!

Thanks!
Re: SP2/SP3 Query
Bob I <birelan[ at ]yahoo.com> 12/15/2008 9:25:07 PM
You need to have at least SP1 before going to SP3.

Craigmill wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> I am about to do a clean reinstall of XPpro.
>
> Do I still need to install SP2 before SP3, or does SP3 include all the
> SP2 fixes?
>
> From what I have gathered SP3 includes all the SP2 fixes ut I just
> want to be sure!
>
> Thanks!

Re: SP2/SP3 Query
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake[ at ]this.is.an.invalid.domain> 12/15/2008 9:26:42 PM
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:02 -0800 (PST), Craigmill
<craigmill[ at ]sky.com> wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> I am about to do a clean reinstall of XPpro.
>
> Do I still need to install SP2 before SP3, or does SP3 include all the
> SP2 fixes?
>
> From what I have gathered SP3 includes all the SP2 fixes ut I just
> want to be sure!


You need to have a previous SP installed, but either SP1 or SP2 will
do.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Re: SP2/SP3 Query
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> 12/15/2008 10:34:44 PM
Will the clean install leave you with WinXP Gold or WinXP SP1(a)?

If the former, you'll need to install SP2 before installing SP3. If the
latter, you can skip SP2 and install SP3.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Craigmill wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> I am about to do a clean reinstall of XPpro.
>
> Do I still need to install SP2 before SP3, or does SP3 include all the
> SP2 fixes?
>
> From what I have gathered SP3 includes all the SP2 fixes ut I just
> want to be sure!
>
> Thanks!

Re: SP2/SP3 Query
Craigmill <craigmill[ at ]sky.com> 12/16/2008 4:47:36 PM
Many thanks for all your replies!

I have reinstalled my (very old) version of XPpro several times and
each time updated it with SP2 - can I assume that my original XPpro cd
already had SP1 included - there is no indication of it on the cd - or
would SP2 install without SP1?

Thanks!
Re: SP2/SP3 Query
Bob I <birelan[ at ]yahoo.com> 12/16/2008 5:13:48 PM


Craigmill wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Many thanks for all your replies!
>
> I have reinstalled my (very old) version of XPpro several times and
> each time updated it with SP2 - can I assume that my original XPpro cd
> already had SP1 included - there is no indication of it on the cd - or
> would SP2 install without SP1?
>
> Thanks!

Yes, SP2 will install without SP1

Re: SP2/SP3 Query
Craigmill <craigmill[ at ]sky.com> 12/16/2008 10:39:04 PM
I am no further forward. To summarise -

a) If my XPpro cd has SP1 included then I can go straight to SP3
or
b) If my XPpro cd not not include SP1 then I must install SP2 then SP3

So how do I determine if my XPpro cd has SP1? There is no indication
on the cd.

Thanks!
Re: SP2/SP3 Query
"John" <a> 12/16/2008 11:25:44 PM

"Craigmill" <craigmill[ at ]sky.com> wrote in message
news:6b274c36-0236-4631-8e8e-b324afba169e[ at ]a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I am no further forward. To summarise -
>
> a) If my XPpro cd has SP1 included then I can go straight to SP3
> or
> b) If my XPpro cd not not include SP1 then I must install SP2 then SP3

You got it.

> So how do I determine if my XPpro cd has SP1? There is no indication
> on the cd.

Normally if SP level isn't on the setup media, it's the original release
(without SP). If you've already installed it, right click My Computer then
click Properties. If you don't see Service Pack __ in the General tab,
there's no SP.


Re: SP2/SP3 Query
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> 12/16/2008 11:44:04 PM
After reinstalling WinXP, right-click on My Computer | Properties | General
tab will tell you what you just installed. Proceed accordingly.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Craigmill wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> I am no further forward. To summarise -
>
> a) If my XPpro cd has SP1 included then I can go straight to SP3
> or
> b) If my XPpro cd not not include SP1 then I must install SP2 then SP3
>
> So how do I determine if my XPpro cd has SP1? There is no indication
> on the cd.
>
> Thanks!

Re: SP2/SP3 Query
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake[ at ]this.is.an.invalid.domain> 12/17/2008 1:06:05 AM
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:25:44 -0800, "John" <a> wrote:

[Quoted Text]
>
> "Craigmill" <craigmill[ at ]sky.com> wrote in message
> news:6b274c36-0236-4631-8e8e-b324afba169e[ at ]a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >I am no further forward. To summarise -
> >
> > a) If my XPpro cd has SP1 included then I can go straight to SP3
> > or
> > b) If my XPpro cd not not include SP1 then I must install SP2 then SP3
>
> You got it.


No, that's not correct. He needs to install either SP1 or SP2 before
installing SP3.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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DON'T INSTALL!!!
"BigPecs8" <Bigpecs8[ at ]kissmybutt.com.invalid> 12/30/2008 6:54:31 AM
DO NOT under any circumstances INSTALL WinXP SP3 without first checking and
making certain that all of your computer's components are SP3 certified.

Particularly, DO NOT INSTALL if you have any Intel components as they are
choosing NOT to get their drivers SP3 certified.

And, last but not least, determining whether or not your motherboard or
network adapter drivers are SP3 compliant is nearly impossible.

Installing or using already installed non-compliant drivers will make
certain catastrophic computer failure.

You have been warned!

Big
--
"Yeah, I'm drunk and you're crazy. Tomorrow I'll be sober but you'll still
be crazy"
Re: DON'T INSTALL!!!
Malke <malke[ at ]invalid.invalid> 12/30/2008 12:43:48 PM
BigPecs8 wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> DO NOT under any circumstances INSTALL WinXP SP3 without first checking
> and making certain that all of your computer's components are SP3
> certified.
>
> Particularly, DO NOT INSTALL if you have any Intel components as they are
> choosing NOT to get their drivers SP3 certified.
>
> And, last but not least, determining whether or not your motherboard or
> network adapter drivers are SP3 compliant is nearly impossible.
>
> Installing or using already installed non-compliant drivers will make
> certain catastrophic computer failure.

This is nonsense. SP3 has been out for quite a long time and I've installed
it on hundreds of machines with Intel boards.

Certainly one should always take proper precautions before installing any
service pack, but your "sky is falling" warning is way over the top. If you
had issues and want help with them, please do post back with full details
and someone will try to assist you.

Prerequisites for a successful installation - MVP Harry Waldron -
http://tinyurl.com/6nf4k4
Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3 -
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
WinXP SP3 Installation -
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx
The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3 -
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311

SP3 Post-Installation Cleanup -
http://www.aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33827

Support - Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available
for Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat
and e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

US -
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
CA -
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131
UK -
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-uk&prid=11273&gprid=522131
AU -
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131
Other - http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select
Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3 -
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718
WinXP SP3 tech net forum -
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

Re: Sorry Mutton Head but You're Wrong!!!
"BigPecs8" <Bigpecs8[ at ]kissmybutt.com.invalid> 12/30/2008 2:15:45 PM
Dear Mutton Head -

Sorry but you're wrong. I 've always loved the two little orphans underneath
the robes of the Ghost of Christmas Present - Want and Ignorance

But I'll give you the opportunity to absolve your arrogance by just giving
me the website link from Intel where they cite "SP3 certified" on one of
their network adapters.

D-Link has already acknowledged that you should use caution with their
network ethernet cards.

You see, oatmeal-for-brains, the problem doesn't surface until WU gives you
KB960714.

Next time why don't you back up your claims with statements from
manufacturers and/or developers.

Stay Tuned!

Big

--
"Yeah, I'm drunk and you're crazy. Tomorrow I'll be sober but you'll still
be crazy"
Re: Sorry Mutton Head but You're Wrong!!!
"Unknown" <unknown[ at ]unknown.kom> 12/30/2008 3:56:53 PM
Many have already installed KB960714 including me.
Who do you think you're trying to impress with you name calling
and false alarms?
"BigPecs8" <Bigpecs8[ at ]kissmybutt.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:495a2d22$0$17683$9a6e19ea[ at ]unlimited.newshosting.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Dear Mutton Head -
>
> Sorry but you're wrong. I 've always loved the two little orphans
> underneath
> the robes of the Ghost of Christmas Present - Want and Ignorance
>
> But I'll give you the opportunity to absolve your arrogance by just giving
> me the website link from Intel where they cite "SP3 certified" on one of
> their network adapters.
>
> D-Link has already acknowledged that you should use caution with their
> network ethernet cards.
>
> You see, oatmeal-for-brains, the problem doesn't surface until WU gives
> you
> KB960714.
>
> Next time why don't you back up your claims with statements from
> manufacturers and/or developers.
>
> Stay Tuned!
>
> Big
>
> --
> "Yeah, I'm drunk and you're crazy. Tomorrow I'll be sober but you'll
> still
> be crazy"


Re: DON'T INSTALL!!!
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake[ at ]this.is.an.invalid.domain> 12/30/2008 4:33:16 PM
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:43:48 -0800, Malke <malke[ at ]invalid.invalid>
wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> BigPecs8 wrote:
>
> > DO NOT under any circumstances INSTALL WinXP SP3 without first checking
> > and making certain that all of your computer's components are SP3
> > certified.
> >
> > Particularly, DO NOT INSTALL if you have any Intel components as they are
> > choosing NOT to get their drivers SP3 certified.
> >
> > And, last but not least, determining whether or not your motherboard or
> > network adapter drivers are SP3 compliant is nearly impossible.
> >
> > Installing or using already installed non-compliant drivers will make
> > certain catastrophic computer failure.
>
> This is nonsense. SP3 has been out for quite a long time and I've installed
> it on hundreds of machines with Intel boards.


It's certainly nonsense. I haven't done the hundreds of machines you
have, but I've done a bunch and haven't had any problems either.



>
> Certainly one should always take proper precautions before installing any
> service pack, but your "sky is falling" warning is way over the top. If you
> had issues and want help with them, please do post back with full details
> and someone will try to assist you.
>
> Prerequisites for a successful installation - MVP Harry Waldron -
> http://tinyurl.com/6nf4k4
> Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3 -
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
> WinXP SP3 Installation -
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx
> The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3 -
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311
>
> SP3 Post-Installation Cleanup -
> http://www.aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33827
>
> Support - Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available
> for Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat
> and e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.
>
> US -
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
> CA -
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131
> UK -
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-uk&prid=11273&gprid=522131
> AU -
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131
> Other - http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select
> Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3
>
> How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3 -
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718
> WinXP SP3 tech net forum -
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Re: DON'T INSTALL!!!
"BigPecs8" <Bigpecs8[ at ]kissmybutt.com.invalid> 12/30/2008 5:58:54 PM
"Well it certainly does appear the emperor has no clothes."

I only wish I could place this amount of arrogance in a bottle and sell it.

Yes, I truly believe the world is flat.

Big

--
"Yeah, I'm drunk and you're crazy. Tomorrow I'll be sober but you'll still
be crazy"
Re: Sorry Mutton Head but You're Wrong!!!
"N. Miller" <anonymous[ at ]msnews.aosake.net> 12/30/2008 7:17:00 PM
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:15:45 GMT, BigPecs8 wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Dear Mutton Head -

Such intelligence!

> Sorry but you're wrong. I 've always loved the two little orphans underneath
> the robes of the Ghost of Christmas Present - Want and Ignorance
>
> But I'll give you the opportunity to absolve your arrogance ...

Jumping from "ignorance" to "arrogance": Ducky. Just plain ducky.

> by just giving me the website link from Intel where they cite "SP3 certified"
> on one of their network adapters.
>
> D-Link has already acknowledged that you should use caution with their
> network ethernet cards.

This would be the same D-Link which has botched their DIR-655 firmware
upgrade? Okay.

> You see, oatmeal-for-brains, the problem doesn't surface until WU gives you
> KB960714.

What problem would that be? I've got Intel network adapters, and I've got
'KB960714': And I don't have any problems.

> Next time why don't you back up your claims with statements from
> manufacturers and/or developers.
>
> Stay Tuned!

You popped into these groups with nothing but BS about SP3. Google Groups
doesn't show much of a posting history, other than your BS SP3 warnings; and
a couple of 'rec.nude' group posts. How much faith should anybody put into
the ravings of a know-nothing nudist?

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

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