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I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
defragged.
I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not
wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging
it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off
the margins.
I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
deletable in DOS (like any large log files)
Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore it?
Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it
was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
(most) Programs on D
and Data on E
Many thanks.
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:09:03 +0000, Robert M Jones
<robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
>partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
>that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
>defragged.
>
>I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not
>wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging
>it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off
>the margins.
>
>I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
>deletable in DOS (like any large log files)
>
>Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore it?
>Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
Google each of the following:
Auslogics
JKdefrag
Smart Defrag
>Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it
>was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
>
>Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
>Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
>(most) Programs on D
>and Data on E
>
>Many thanks.
PJ White
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"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
defragged.
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"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] >I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C: >partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes) that >are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get defragged. > > I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not > wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging it > wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off the > margins. > > I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be deletable > in DOS (like any large log files) > > Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore > it? > Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility? > > Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it was > usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files. > > Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly > Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there, > (most) Programs on D > and Data on E > > Many thanks. > > > -- > Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK > http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission > goes to our partners in Bulgaria) > http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420
Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not ever
defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where they are, try
Treesize..
http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml
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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
[Quoted Text] > "Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in > message news:%23V%23dvOtUJHA.1360[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows >> C: partition but encountering some very large files (tens of >> megabytes) that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore >> never get defragged. >> >> I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is >> not wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of >> dragging it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it >> still cut off the margins. >> >> I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be >> deletable in DOS (like any large log files) >> >> Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just >> ignore it? >> Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility? >> >> Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it >> was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files. >> >> Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly >> Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there, >> (most) Programs on D >> and Data on E >> >> Many thanks. >> >> >> -- >> Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK >> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk>> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission >> goes to our partners in Bulgaria) >> http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420> > > Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not ever > defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where they are, > try Treesize.. > > http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml> >
recently enlarged it because it was getting a bit tight.
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:25:02 +0000, Robert M Jones
<robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >> Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not ever >> defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where they are, >> try Treesize.. >> >> http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml>> >> >Thanks to all. I have between 1 and 2 GB free on the C partition. I >recently enlarged it because it was getting a bit tight.
Definitely not enough space for most defragmenters to do what you
want.
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Robert
Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or use
Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either way you
overcome the difficulty you have encountered.
You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the size
of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to complain
if you have less than 15% free space. For better results you need 20% to
25% free space. If you have another partition with free space there are
many ways to overcome a shortage of free space, especially if you have
not looked at disk space issues before. A third party defragmenter is
not the best way to deal with limited space issues.
Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate problem. If they do
not work I can make further suggestions.
The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My
Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor
on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the
Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.
Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >> "Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in >> message news:%23V%23dvOtUJHA.1360[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows >>> C: partition but encountering some very large files (tens of >>> megabytes) that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore >>> never get defragged. >>> >>> I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is >>> not wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of >>> dragging it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it >>> still cut off the margins. >>> >>> I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be >>> deletable in DOS (like any large log files) >>> >>> Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just >>> ignore it? >>> Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility? >>> >>> Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and >>> it was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files. >>> >>> Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly >>> Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being >>> there, (most) Programs on D >>> and Data on E >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK >>> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk>>> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - >>> (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) >>> http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420>> >> >> Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not >> ever defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where >> they are, try Treesize.. >> >> http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml>> >> > Thanks to all. I have between 1 and 2 GB free on the C partition. I > recently enlarged it because it was getting a bit tight.
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert
>
> Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
> Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or use
> Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either way you
> overcome the difficulty you have encountered.
>
> You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the size
> of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to complain
> if you have less than 15% free space. For better results you need 20% to
> 25% free space. If you have another partition with free space there are
> many ways to overcome a shortage of free space, especially if you have
> not looked at disk space issues before. A third party defragmenter is
> not the best way to deal with limited space issues.
>
> Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate problem. If they do
> not work I can make further suggestions.
>
> The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
> which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My
> Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor
> on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
> it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the
> Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.
>
> Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
> Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
> select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
> More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
> Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
>
>
Thanks - that sounds helpful.
C: partition stats from Explorer are 12.5GB with 2.55GB Free
I use CCleaner regularly to keep temp files low.
I'll check the System Restore - have a feeling i have already attended
to that setting when I set the whole thing up.
I have Windows set to compress infrequently used files on C
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"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote: >> Robert >> >> Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and >> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents >> Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or use >> Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either way you >> overcome the difficulty you have encountered. >> >> You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the size >> of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to complain >> if you have less than 15% free space. For better results you need 20% to >> 25% free space. If you have another partition with free space there are >> many ways to overcome a shortage of free space, especially if you have >> not looked at disk space issues before. A third party defragmenter is not >> the best way to deal with limited space issues. >> >> Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate problem. If they do not >> work I can make further suggestions. >> >> The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition >> which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My >> Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor >> on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag >> it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the >> Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit. >> >> Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to >> Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also >> select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, >> More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System >> Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter. >> >> > > Thanks - that sounds helpful. > > C: partition stats from Explorer are 12.5GB with 2.55GB Free > > I use CCleaner regularly to keep temp files low. > I'll check the System Restore - have a feeling i have already attended to > that setting when I set the whole thing up. > I have Windows set to compress infrequently used files on C > > -- > Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK > http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission > goes to our partners in Bulgaria) > http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420
might well be mistaken), you need enough free space to equal the largest
file that needs to be defragmented.
You may easily gain lots of extra space if you temporarily disable system
restore (which deletes all restore points) followed by enabling system
restore.
Jim
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If you still cannot defragment any files on your C partition please post
a copy of the Disk Defragmenter report. Also to what extent do you have
free disk space elsewhere?
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
>> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
>> Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or
>> use Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either
>> way you overcome the difficulty you have encountered.
>>
>> You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the
>> size of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to
>> complain if you have less than 15% free space. For better results
>> you need 20% to 25% free space. If you have another partition with
>> free space there are many ways to overcome a shortage of free space,
>> especially if you have not looked at disk space issues before. A
>> third party defragmenter is not the best way to deal with limited
>> space issues. Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate
>> problem. If they do
>> not work I can make further suggestions.
>>
>> The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
>> which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click
>> your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore.
>> Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this time find
>> the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit.
>> When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.
>>
>> Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp
>> to Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
>> select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
>> More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
>> Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks - that sounds helpful.
>
> C: partition stats from Explorer are 12.5GB with 2.55GB Free
>
> I use CCleaner regularly to keep temp files low.
> I'll check the System Restore - have a feeling i have already attended
> to that setting when I set the whole thing up.
> I have Windows set to compress infrequently used files on C
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I would try SpeedDefrag cause it defrags the whole system in safe mode
(icluding paging file).
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"Josh White" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:09:03 +0000, Robert M Jones
> <robert53newsgroups-ms2[ at ]NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
> >partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
> >that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
> >defragged.
> >
> >I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not
> >wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging
> >it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off
> >the margins.
> >
> >I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
> >deletable in DOS (like any large log files)
> >
> >Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore it?
> >Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
>
> Google each of the following:
>
> Auslogics
> JKdefrag
> Smart Defrag
>
>
> >Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it
> >was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
> >
> >Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
> >Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
> >(most) Programs on D
> >and Data on E
> >
> >Many thanks.
>
> PJ White
>
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert
>
> If you still cannot defragment any files on your C partition please post
> a copy of the Disk Defragmenter report. Also to what extent do you have
> free disk space elsewhere?
>
Answering only the second part of your Q- I have loads of space on other
partitions and am able (if I choose) to slide space along to add to the
C partition (I use BootIt) - I have actually done that to get the extra
2.5GG space not that long ago.
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> If you still cannot defragment any files on your C partition please
>> post a copy of the Disk Defragmenter report. Also to what extent do
>> you have free disk space elsewhere?
>>
>
> Answering only the second part of your Q- I have loads of space on other
> partitions and am able (if I choose) to slide space along to add to the
> C partition (I use BootIt) - I have actually done that to get the extra
> 2.5GG space not that long ago.
>
Thanks for all your help so far.
Okay I have checked various things - disk situation on C: is now 12.5GB
total size, with 2.8GB free.
I have run all the cleanup utilities I have available, and removed
several hundred MB
I have also run defrag in Safe Mode - made no difference - it still was
unable to defrag the affected files.
I have checked through the file list to check which might be "in use"
and there are several files which ought not to be locked or "in use"
during a defrag on C:
the largest file I couldn't defrag (apart from the page file) was an
outlook.bak file at around 112MB so I have just moved that to another
partition. The next largest would be about 80MB. I can't see why Windows
Defrag can't cope with defragging an 80MB file when it has nearly 3GB of
free space to play with on a 12.5GB partition.
I would like to try and defrag these files if possible as they are quite
heavily defragmented and I do feel they are slowing Windows down a fair bit.
Here is my defrag report: (from before I did the cleaning up - but I
have tried a defrag since with little change)
> Volume WindowsXP (C:)
> Volume size = 12.50 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 9.99 GB
> Free space = 2.52 GB
> Percent free space = 20 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 19 %
> File fragmentation = 36 %
> Free space fragmentation = 2 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 46,264
> Average file size = 318 KB
> Total fragmented files = 73
> Total excess fragments = 17,778
> Average fragments per file = 1.38
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 1.40 GB
> Total fragments = 1,245
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,455
> Fragmented folders = 1
> Excess folder fragments = 0
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 54 MB
> MFT record count = 52,008
> Percent MFT in use = 94 %
> Total MFT fragments = 4
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 343 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5039.msp
> 186 12 MB \WINDOWS\pchealth\helpctr\Database\HCdata.edb
> 187 12 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\SP2Z0HQB\baptisms_2007_web[1].wmv
> 223 15 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\*****.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 176 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\122241b.msp
> 498 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5022.msp
> 163 16 MB \Program Files\Sunbelt Software\VIPRE\Definitions\ThreatDT.vdx
> 191 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Application Data\Skype\{***********}\Skype.msi
> 209 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Skype\{*****************}\Skype.msi
> 270 17 MB \WINDOWS\repair\RegBack\software
> 268 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert Admin\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{********************}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\Sent Items.dbx
> 279 17 MB \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp.zip
> 245 18 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\*****.default\News\news.mozilla.org\mozilla.support.firefox.msf
> 515 20 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Downloads\********jtun_nav2k6enn11m25.m25.full.zip
> 306 21 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Temp\SkypeSetup.exe
> 345 21 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Temp\SkypeSetup.exe
> 266 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{****************}\RP851\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
> 490 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar
> 345 42 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\RBBofBible Games.pdf
> 344 42 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Pictures\RBBofBible Games.pdf
> 202 45 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\zlsSetup_70_483_000_en.exe
> 812 51 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\*********.proxy profile\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 804 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\********.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 762 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\********.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 206 59 MB \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\tvDebug.zip
> 200 62 MB \Program Files\Sunbelt Software\VIPRE\Definitions\ctid.vtd
> 1,111 69 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert Admin\Local Settings\Temp\{AA84D3FF-256D-470E-B93E-2E24F508273C}\SBVIPRE_DEFS_EN.msi
> 1,013 69 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert Admin\Local Settings\Temp\{081205AF-2BC2-4E49-ACFB-0EB574F86E47}\SBVIPRE_DEFS_EN.msi
> 975 85 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\Outlook.bak
> 1,533 112 MB \WINDOWS\system32\drivers\fidbox.dat
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Robert
An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report.
The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. This is probably scattered
across the drive causing the free space to be equally fragmented. The
pagefile is of course an immovable file. You also only have 20% free
space. You need something approaching 60% free space to achieve a single
contiguous pagefile. It should, however, be possible to achieve a
considerable improvement.
You need to maximise the free disk space before running disk
defragmenter again.
You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of
folders. They can be relocated back after the exercise has been
completed.
For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet
Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.
To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm
My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders
including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated
using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp
In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to
see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change
Location button.
Next I am not clear how you are cleaning out redundant files. The most
effective way is cCleaner.
An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a more
thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user
profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once.
http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp
http://www.ccleaner.com/
With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you
should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also
offers backup before removal.
When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form
History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one has
irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's
recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so
that they can easily be re-entered.
Leave the Scan for Issues option alone.
Now the two big savings to temporarily win free disk space. Turn off
monitoring by System Restore. The second is to set the pagefile to no
pagefile and reboot the computer. You should have doubled your free disk
space to 40% perhaps more. Another idea might be to temporarily
increase your C partition to 16 gb which would take your free disk space
to 50% to 60%. If you do this do it before you eliminate the pagefile.
You should then run Disk Defragmenter and as soon as it has finished set
your pagefile to a minimum and maximum of 1.4 gb and restart the
computer. You do not want Windows to manage the pagefile as using that
setting causes the pagefile file to fragment. The next step is to reset
System Restore to monitor your C partition (it should not be monitoring
other partitions). The folders you moved earlier can be moved back to C.
If you do not change the pagefile setting it will either stay as a
single contiguous file if you have been totally successful or with the
number of fragments you have achieved. As a consequence the free space
on C will less fragmented and it will be much easier to defragment files
in future.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert M Jones wrote:
>> Gerry wrote:
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> If you still cannot defragment any files on your C partition please
>>> post a copy of the Disk Defragmenter report. Also to what extent do
>>> you have free disk space elsewhere?
>>>
>>
>> Answering only the second part of your Q- I have loads of space on
>> other partitions and am able (if I choose) to slide space along to
>> add to
>> the C partition (I use BootIt) - I have actually done that to get the
>> extra 2.5GG space not that long ago.
>>
>
> Thanks for all your help so far.
>
> Okay I have checked various things - disk situation on C: is now
> 12.5GB total size, with 2.8GB free.
> I have run all the cleanup utilities I have available, and removed
> several hundred MB
>
> I have also run defrag in Safe Mode - made no difference - it still
> was unable to defrag the affected files.
>
> I have checked through the file list to check which might be "in use"
> and there are several files which ought not to be locked or "in use"
> during a defrag on C:
>
> the largest file I couldn't defrag (apart from the page file) was an
> outlook.bak file at around 112MB so I have just moved that to another
> partition. The next largest would be about 80MB. I can't see why
> Windows Defrag can't cope with defragging an 80MB file when it has
> nearly 3GB of free space to play with on a 12.5GB partition.
>
> I would like to try and defrag these files if possible as they are
> quite heavily defragmented and I do feel they are slowing Windows
> down a fair bit.
> Here is my defrag report: (from before I did the cleaning up - but I
> have tried a defrag since with little change)
>
>> Volume WindowsXP (C:)
>> Volume size = 12.50 GB
>> Cluster size = 4 KB
>> Used space = 9.99 GB
>> Free space = 2.52 GB
>> Percent free space = 20 %
>>
>> Volume fragmentation
>> Total fragmentation = 19 %
>> File fragmentation = 36 %
>> Free space fragmentation = 2 %
>>
>> File fragmentation
>> Total files = 46,264
>> Average file size = 318 KB
>> Total fragmented files = 73
>> Total excess fragments = 17,778
>> Average fragments per file = 1.38
>>
>> Pagefile fragmentation
>> Pagefile size = 1.40 GB
>> Total fragments = 1,245
>>
>> Folder fragmentation
>> Total folders = 5,455
>> Fragmented folders = 1
>> Excess folder fragments = 0
>>
>> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
>> Total MFT size = 54 MB
>> MFT record count = 52,008
>> Percent MFT in use = 94 %
>> Total MFT fragments = 4
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
>> 343 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5039.msp
>> 186 12 MB
>> \WINDOWS\pchealth\helpctr\Database\HCdata.edb 187 12 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Temporary
>> Internet Files\Content.IE5\SP2Z0HQB\baptisms_2007_web[1].wmv 223
>> 15 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Application
>> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\*****.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
>> 176 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\122241b.msp 498
>> 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5022.msp 163 16
>> MB \Program Files\Sunbelt
>> Software\VIPRE\Definitions\ThreatDT.vdx 191 17 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Application
>> Data\Skype\{***********}\Skype.msi 209 17 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application
>> Data\Skype\{*****************}\Skype.msi 270 17 MB
>> \WINDOWS\repair\RegBack\software 268 17 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Robert Admin\Local Settings\Application
>> Data\Identities\{********************}\Microsoft\Outlook
>> Express\Sent Items.dbx 279 17 MB
>> \WINDOWS\Internet
>> Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp.zip 245
>> 18 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Application
>> Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\*****.default\News\news.mozilla.org\mozilla.support.firefox.msf
>> 515 20 MB \Documents and Settings\All
>> Users\Application
>> Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Downloads\********jtun_nav2k6enn11m25.m25.full.zip
>> 306 21 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert
>> user\Local Settings\Temp\SkypeSetup.exe 345 21 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local
>> Settings\Temp\SkypeSetup.exe 266 23 MB \System
>> Volume
>> Information\_restore{****************}\RP851\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
>> 490 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar
>> 345 42 MB \Documents and Settings\All
>> Users\Documents\RBBofBible Games.pdf 344 42 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Pictures\RBBofBible
>> Games.pdf 202 45 MB \Documents and
>> Settings\All Users\Documents\zlsSetup_70_483_000_en.exe 812
>> 51 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local
>> Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\*********.proxy
>> profile\urlclassifier3.sqlite 804 53 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Robert user\Local Settings\Application
>> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\********.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
>> 762 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
>> users\Local Settings\Application
>> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\********.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
>> 206 59 MB \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\tvDebug.zip
>> 200 62 MB \Program Files\Sunbelt
>> Software\VIPRE\Definitions\ctid.vtd 1,111 69 MB
>> \Documents and Settings\Robert Admin\Local
>> Settings\Temp\{AA84D3FF-256D-470E-B93E-2E24F508273C}\SBVIPRE_DEFS_EN.msi
>> 1,013 69 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert
>> Admin\Local
>> Settings\Temp\{081205AF-2BC2-4E49-ACFB-0EB574F86E47}\SBVIPRE_DEFS_EN.msi
>> 975 85 MB \Documents and Settings\Robert
>> user\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\Outlook.bak
>> 1,533 112 MB \WINDOWS\system32\drivers\fidbox.dat
>
> Once gain thanks
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On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" <ge...[ at ]nospam.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert
>
> An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report.
>
> The problem could be the fragmented pagefile.
<snip>
Hi,
Could I suggest you take a look at
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx
I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to
make a difference to
both pagefile and registry fragmentation.
It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on
boot up.
Alister
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Alister
That utility can be helpful. The problem in Robert's situation is that
the disk is so full that other files have taken up the space the
pagefile normally occupies. If the pagefile reoccupies the middle of the
disk it can be fixed in that position. This brings long term benefits in
that the pagefile ceases to contribute to fragmentation of free disk
space.
--
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alister wrote:
[Quoted Text] > On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" <ge...[ at ]nospam.com> wrote: >> Robert >> >> An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. >> >> The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. > > <snip> > > Hi, > > Could I suggest you take a look at > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx> > I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to > make a difference to > both pagefile and registry fragmentation. > > It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on > boot up. > > Alister
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On Dec 3, 9:12 am, "Gerry" <ge...[ at ]nospam.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Alister > > That utility can be helpful. The problem in Robert's situation is that > the disk is so full that other files have taken up the space the > pagefile normally occupies. If the pagefile reoccupies the middle of the > disk it can be fixed in that position. This brings long term benefits in > that the pagefile ceases to contribute to fragmentation of free disk > space. > > -- > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Alister wrote: > > On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" <ge...[ at ]nospam.com> wrote: > >> Robert > > >> An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. > > >> The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. > > > <snip> > > > Hi, > > > Could I suggest you take a look at > > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx> > > I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to > > make a difference to > > both pagefile and registry fragmentation. > > > It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on > > boot up. > > > Alister
Yes, sorry Gerry, I was not suggesting that Pagedefrag was the cure of
all ills :-)
However if the OP follows the instructions you gave first regarding
the removal and recreation of the pagefile he can use pagedefrag in
the future to prevent or reduce the likelihood of a recurrence of the
problem.
Cheers
Alister
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Alister
The need for that would depend on the pagefile settings. If the pagefile
setting is as I suggested it will not fragmenter further.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alister wrote:
[Quoted Text] > On Dec 3, 9:12 am, "Gerry" <ge...[ at ]nospam.com> wrote: >> Alister >> >> That utility can be helpful. The problem in Robert's situation is >> that the disk is so full that other files have taken up the space the >> pagefile normally occupies. If the pagefile reoccupies the middle of >> the disk it can be fixed in that position. This brings long term >> benefits in that the pagefile ceases to contribute to fragmentation >> of free disk space. >> >> -- >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Alister wrote: >>> On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" <ge...[ at ]nospam.com> wrote: >>>> Robert >> >>>> An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. >> >>>> The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. >> >>> <snip> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> Could I suggest you take a look at >> >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx>> >>> I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to >>> make a difference to >>> both pagefile and registry fragmentation. >> >>> It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on >>> boot up. >> >>> Alister > > Yes, sorry Gerry, I was not suggesting that Pagedefrag was the cure of > all ills :-) > > However if the OP follows the instructions you gave first regarding > the removal and recreation of the pagefile he can use pagedefrag in > the future to prevent or reduce the likelihood of a recurrence of the > problem. > > Cheers > > Alister
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert > > An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. > > The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. This is probably scattered > across the drive causing the free space to be equally fragmented. The > pagefile is of course an immovable file. You also only have 20% free > space. You need something approaching 60% free space to achieve a single > contiguous pagefile. It should, however, be possible to achieve a > considerable improvement. > > You need to maximise the free disk space before running disk > defragmenter again. > > You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of > folders. They can be relocated back after the exercise has been > completed. > > For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet > Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder. > > To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express > Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change. > http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm> > My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders > including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated > using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here: > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp> > In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to > see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change > Location button. > > Next I am not clear how you are cleaning out redundant files. The most > effective way is cCleaner. > > An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a more > thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user > profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once. > http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp> http://www.ccleaner.com/> > With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you > should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also > offers backup before removal. > > When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form > History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one has > irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's > recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so > that they can easily be re-entered. > > Leave the Scan for Issues option alone. > > Now the two big savings to temporarily win free disk space. Turn off > monitoring by System Restore. The second is to set the pagefile to no > pagefile and reboot the computer. You should have doubled your free disk > space to 40% perhaps more. Another idea might be to temporarily > increase your C partition to 16 gb which would take your free disk space > to 50% to 60%. If you do this do it before you eliminate the pagefile. > You should then run Disk Defragmenter and as soon as it has finished set > your pagefile to a minimum and maximum of 1.4 gb and restart the > computer. You do not want Windows to manage the pagefile as using that > setting causes the pagefile file to fragment. The next step is to reset > System Restore to monitor your C partition (it should not be monitoring > other partitions). The folders you moved earlier can be moved back to C. > > If you do not change the pagefile setting it will either stay as a > single contiguous file if you have been totally successful or with the > number of fragments you have achieved. As a consequence the free space > on C will less fragmented and it will be much easier to defragment files > in future. >
Thanks so much. that gives me plenty to work on.
I already use CCleaner regularly
I have several key folders "off" C:\ partition and on a Data partition
already so not a lot of manouevre there
I have System Restore trimmed down, and Temp Internet files also very
low already.
I may be able to get rid of the Symantec Live Update as I don't really
need that anymore with no more Symantec programs left
I may just bite the bullet and do a bit more sliding of free space with
BootIt and then try your page file trick. I was trying to avoid it
because it is so time consuming!
Once again - thanks.
--
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http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
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Robert
If you get a good result the pagefile setting can make life a lot easier
once achieved.
Another option, if you have a second drive, is to create a dedicated
pagefile partition at the start of the drive. You then reduce the
pagefile on C to a fixed 50 mb and put the main pagefile in your new
dedicated partition.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote: >> Robert >> >> An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. >> >> The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. This is probably >> scattered across the drive causing the free space to be equally >> fragmented. The pagefile is of course an immovable file. You also >> only have 20% free space. You need something approaching 60% free >> space to achieve a single contiguous pagefile. It should, however, >> be possible to achieve a considerable improvement. >> >> You need to maximise the free disk space before running disk >> defragmenter again. >> >> You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of >> folders. They can be relocated back after the exercise has been >> completed. >> >> For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet >> Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder. >> >> To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express >> Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change. >> http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm>> >> My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders >> including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be >> relocated using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, >> from here: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp In >> TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down >> to see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change >> Location button. >> >> Next I am not clear how you are cleaning out redundant files. The >> most effective way is cCleaner. >> >> An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a >> more thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for >> each user profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once. >> http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp>> http://www.ccleaner.com/>> >> With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you >> should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also >> offers backup before removal. >> >> When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form >> History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one >> has irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's >> recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so >> that they can easily be re-entered. >> >> Leave the Scan for Issues option alone. >> >> Now the two big savings to temporarily win free disk space. Turn off >> monitoring by System Restore. The second is to set the pagefile to no >> pagefile and reboot the computer. You should have doubled your free >> disk space to 40% perhaps more. Another idea might be to temporarily >> increase your C partition to 16 gb which would take your free disk >> space to 50% to 60%. If you do this do it before you eliminate the >> pagefile. You should then run Disk Defragmenter and as soon as it >> has finished set your pagefile to a minimum and maximum of 1.4 gb >> and restart the computer. You do not want Windows to manage the >> pagefile as using that setting causes the pagefile file to fragment. >> The next step is to reset System Restore to monitor your C partition >> (it should not be monitoring other partitions). The folders you >> moved earlier can be moved back to C. If you do not change the >> pagefile setting it will either stay as a >> single contiguous file if you have been totally successful or with >> the number of fragments you have achieved. As a consequence the free >> space on C will less fragmented and it will be much easier to >> defragment files in future. >> > > Thanks so much. that gives me plenty to work on. > I already use CCleaner regularly > I have several key folders "off" C:\ partition and on a Data partition > already so not a lot of manouevre there > I have System Restore trimmed down, and Temp Internet files also very > low already. > I may be able to get rid of the Symantec Live Update as I don't really > need that anymore with no more Symantec programs left > > I may just bite the bullet and do a bit more sliding of free space > with BootIt and then try your page file trick. I was trying to avoid > it because it is so time consuming! > > Once again - thanks.
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert
>
> If you get a good result the pagefile setting can make life a lot easier
> once achieved.
>
> Another option, if you have a second drive, is to create a dedicated
> pagefile partition at the start of the drive. You then reduce the
> pagefile on C to a fixed 50 mb and put the main pagefile in your new
> dedicated partition.
>
>
I tried your suggestions today - switching off system restore, and
setting page file to NO.
I then got free space to 24% but there was absolutely NO effect on my
defrag performance - still a load of fragmented files that could not be
fragmented - the only difference was that all the "green" (immoveable)
sectors disappeared - presumably they were the ones that were part of
the page file.
So it looks like I am going to have to do the partition sliding sometime
when I have loads of time available.
Thanks for your help - much appreciated.
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Robert
I do not understand why no pagefile and turning off System Restore only
results in 24% free space when your last Disk Defragmenter report showed
20% free space! It should be much more. Can you please post a further
Disk Defragmenter Report.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> If you get a good result the pagefile setting can make life a lot
>> easier once achieved.
>>
>> Another option, if you have a second drive, is to create a dedicated
>> pagefile partition at the start of the drive. You then reduce the
>> pagefile on C to a fixed 50 mb and put the main pagefile in your new
>> dedicated partition.
>>
>>
>
> I tried your suggestions today - switching off system restore, and
> setting page file to NO.
> I then got free space to 24% but there was absolutely NO effect on my
> defrag performance - still a load of fragmented files that could not
> be fragmented - the only difference was that all the "green"
> (immoveable) sectors disappeared - presumably they were the ones that
> were part of the page file.
>
> So it looks like I am going to have to do the partition sliding
> sometime when I have loads of time available.
>
> Thanks for your help - much appreciated.
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert
>
> I do not understand why no pagefile and turning off System Restore only
> results in 24% free space when your last Disk Defragmenter report showed
> 20% free space! It should be much more. Can you please post a further
> Disk Defragmenter Report.
>
>
I did some more deleting and fiddling and got free space up to about 40%
including switching off system restore and the page file. I then tried
another defrag in my Admin account with that amount of free space,
But it made no difference to defrag - still is having virtually no
effect on the fragmentation on C:
I can see some further files that I can delete ormove (I will move that
huge pdf file), but would like guidance on others
Firstly - all those msp files:
and the 2 Skype msi files
and
\WINDOWS\Internet Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp.zip
\Program Files\Common Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr
\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar
\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar
How vital are those?
My current Java is update 11
Here's the report you asked for
Volume WindowsXP (C:)
Volume size = 12.50 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.42 GB
Free space = 5.08 GB
Percent free space = 40 %
Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 9 %
File fragmentation = 17 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %
File fragmentation
Total files = 43,880
Average file size = 256 KB
Total fragmented files = 63
Total excess fragments = 8,242
Average fragments per file = 1.18
Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0
Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 5,303
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0
Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 54 MB
MFT record count = 49,366
Percent MFT in use = 89 %
Total MFT fragments = 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
95 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cfe9d9.msp
113 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\376eacd.msp
106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104cb.msp
106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029c0.msp
106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\242282b9.msp
343 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5039.msp
132 12 MB \Documents and Settings\*****
user\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\xs4rw30u.default\Mail\Local
Folders\Sent
112 13 MB
\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386\lang\hwxjpn.dll
124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104e2.msp
124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\5d27f56.msp
146 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104b4.msp
147 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029a9.msp
223 15 MB \Documents and Settings\*****
user\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
67 16 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
users\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\Cache\04C0FD88d01
176 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\122241b.msp
498 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5022.msp
191 17 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi
209 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
users\Local Settings\Application
Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi
270 17 MB \WINDOWS\repair\RegBack\software
279 17 MB \WINDOWS\Internet
Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp.zip
68 23 MB \Program Files\Common
Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr
74 27 MB \Program
Files\MSECACHE\O2007Cnv\1033\O12Conv.cab
97 27 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\552f80.msi
100 41 MB \Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar
490 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar
812 51 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local
Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ssq91pui.proxy
profile\urlclassifier3.sqlite
804 53 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
762 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
users\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
59 59 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\My
Documents\Railway Timetables\CompleteTimetable.pdf
143 114 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cafb1d.msp
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Robert
I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled
which is why I have not responded earlier.
msp files are patchs.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa370578(VS.85).aspx
My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one
report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file
because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my
computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether
the" in use" suggestion is credible.
I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode
Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference.
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Hope this helps.
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> I do not understand why no pagefile and turning off System Restore
>> only results in 24% free space when your last Disk Defragmenter
>> report showed 20% free space! It should be much more. Can you please
>> post a further Disk Defragmenter Report.
>>
>>
>
>
> I did some more deleting and fiddling and got free space up to about
> 40% including switching off system restore and the page file. I then
> tried another defrag in my Admin account with that amount of free
> space,
> But it made no difference to defrag - still is having virtually no
> effect on the fragmentation on C:
>
> I can see some further files that I can delete ormove (I will move
> that huge pdf file), but would like guidance on others
>
> Firstly - all those msp files:
> and the 2 Skype msi files
> and
> \WINDOWS\Internet
> Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp.zip \Program
> Files\Common Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr \Program
> Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar
>
> How vital are those?
> My current Java is update 11
>
>
> Here's the report you asked for
>
> Volume WindowsXP (C:)
> Volume size = 12.50 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 7.42 GB
> Free space = 5.08 GB
> Percent free space = 40 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 9 %
> File fragmentation = 17 %
> Free space fragmentation = 1 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 43,880
> Average file size = 256 KB
> Total fragmented files = 63
> Total excess fragments = 8,242
> Average fragments per file = 1.18
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 0 bytes
> Total fragments = 0
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,303
> Fragmented folders = 1
> Excess folder fragments = 0
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 54 MB
> MFT record count = 49,366
> Percent MFT in use = 89 %
> Total MFT fragments = 3
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 95 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cfe9d9.msp
> 113 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\376eacd.msp
> 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104cb.msp
> 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029c0.msp
> 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\242282b9.msp
> 343 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5039.msp
> 132 12 MB \Documents and Settings\*****
> user\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\xs4rw30u.default\Mail\Local
> Folders\Sent
> 112 13 MB
> \WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386\lang\hwxjpn.dll
> 124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104e2.msp
> 124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\5d27f56.msp
> 146 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104b4.msp
> 147 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029a9.msp
> 223 15 MB \Documents and Settings\*****
> user\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 67 16 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
> users\Local Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\Cache\04C0FD88d01
> 176 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\122241b.msp
> 498 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5022.msp
> 191 17 MB \Documents and Settings\*****
> user\Local Settings\Application
> Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi
> 209 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
> users\Local Settings\Application
> Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi
> 270 17 MB \WINDOWS\repair\RegBack\software
> 279 17 MB \WINDOWS\Internet
> Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp.zip
> 68 23 MB \Program Files\Common
> Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr
> 74 27 MB \Program
> Files\MSECACHE\O2007Cnv\1033\O12Conv.cab
> 97 27 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\552f80.msi
> 100 41 MB \Program
> Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar 490 42 MB
> \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar 812 51 MB
> \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ssq91pui.proxy
> profile\urlclassifier3.sqlite 804 53 MB
> \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 762 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Other
> users\Local Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 59 59 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\My
> Documents\Railway Timetables\CompleteTimetable.pdf
> 143 114 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cafb1d.msp
>
> Once again - many thanks for the help.
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert > > I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled > which is why I have not responded earlier. > > msp files are patchs. > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa370578(VS.85).aspx> > My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one > report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file > because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my > computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether > the" in use" suggestion is credible. > > I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode > > Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. > >
Okay I've tried this - I went into Safe Mode, and chose the Default
Admin account rather than my "created" adminstrator account, and then
switched off system restore and switched off page filing and restarted
in safe mode again, in the Default Admin account - this left C:\
partition at 12.5GB with 5.33GB free space, 42% free space.
I ran defrag on C:\ again and got exactly the same results - the same
list of files that could not be defragmented. After analysis there were
NO unmoveable files, but the defrag is still not touching those files -
the list seems to be the same - mostly msp files and a few others.
Any further advice (or places to go next) greatly appreciated. With the
partition in the state that it is, my page file when created is
obviously fragmented at the point of re-creation. - while most of the
files don't seem to be files that Windows would be analysing, obviously
the page file is.
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote: >> Robert >> >> I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled >> which is why I have not responded earlier. >> >> msp files are patchs. >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa370578(VS.85).aspx>> >> My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one >> report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file >> because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my >> computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether >> the" in use" suggestion is credible. >> >> I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode >> >> Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. >> >> > > Okay I've tried this - I went into Safe Mode, and chose the Default > Admin account rather than my "created" adminstrator account, and then > switched off system restore and switched off page filing and restarted > in safe mode again, in the Default Admin account - this left C:\ > partition at 12.5GB with 5.33GB free space, 42% free space. > > I ran defrag on C:\ again and got exactly the same results - the same > list of files that could not be defragmented. After analysis there were > NO unmoveable files, but the defrag is still not touching those files - > the list seems to be the same - mostly msp files and a few others. > > Any further advice (or places to go next) greatly appreciated. With the > partition in the state that it is, my page file when created is > obviously fragmented at the point of re-creation. - while most of the > files don't seem to be files that Windows would be analysing, obviously > the page file is. >
Just to say that I downloaded Defraggler.exe and it has done a fair bit
to solve my problem, although I still have been unable to obtain a large
enough block of free space at the end of my drive to insert a congiguous
1437MB fixed pagefile.sys
Seems many others on the defraggler forums have the same issue - the
defrag free space option doesn't completely defrag free space.
But at least now the pagefile.sys is the ONLY fragmented file and it is
in three sections only.
Never did work out why I couldn't defrag all those msi and msp files
using the XP defrag utility. Tried everything suggested and thanks to
those who made suggestions. I finally got down to about 45% free space
and the XP defrag still couldn't do the job with or without pagefile.sys
or System Restore.
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Robert
Your problem defeated me. I do not understand why your msp files were so
fragmented. The only explanation remaining that I can think is that the
patchs were installed when the system was significantly fragmented.
I did not realise defraggler was freeware. I just downloaded and tested.
An interesting tool.
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Regards.
Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert M Jones wrote: >> Gerry wrote: >>> Robert >>> >>> I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled >>> which is why I have not responded earlier. >>> >>> msp files are patchs. >>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa370578(VS.85).aspx>>> >>> My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one >>> report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp >>> file because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on >>> my computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt >>> whether the" in use" suggestion is credible. >>> >>> I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode >>> >>> Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. >>> >>> >> >> Okay I've tried this - I went into Safe Mode, and chose the Default >> Admin account rather than my "created" adminstrator account, and then >> switched off system restore and switched off page filing and >> restarted in safe mode again, in the Default Admin account - this >> left C:\ partition at 12.5GB with 5.33GB free space, 42% free space. >> >> I ran defrag on C:\ again and got exactly the same results - the same >> list of files that could not be defragmented. After analysis there >> were NO unmoveable files, but the defrag is still not touching those >> files - the list seems to be the same - mostly msp files and a few >> others. Any further advice (or places to go next) greatly >> appreciated. With >> the partition in the state that it is, my page file when created is >> obviously fragmented at the point of re-creation. - while most of the >> files don't seem to be files that Windows would be analysing, >> obviously the page file is. >> > > Just to say that I downloaded Defraggler.exe and it has done a fair > bit to solve my problem, although I still have been unable to obtain > a large enough block of free space at the end of my drive to insert a > congiguous 1437MB fixed pagefile.sys > > Seems many others on the defraggler forums have the same issue - the > defrag free space option doesn't completely defrag free space. > > But at least now the pagefile.sys is the ONLY fragmented file and it > is in three sections only. > > Never did work out why I couldn't defrag all those msi and msp files > using the XP defrag utility. Tried everything suggested and thanks to > those who made suggestions. I finally got down to about 45% free space > and the XP defrag still couldn't do the job with or without > pagefile.sys or System Restore.
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Gerry wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Robert
>
> Your problem defeated me. I do not understand why your msp files were so
> fragmented. The only explanation remaining that I can think is that the
> patchs were installed when the system was significantly fragmented.
>
> I did not realise defraggler was freeware. I just downloaded and tested.
> An interesting tool.
>
Thanks for trying Gerry. I did eventually move all the installer files
that were fragmented to another partition temporarily, but that didn't
make much difference to what the XP defrag utility could do. Even with
about 46% free space and no system restore files and no page file, it
still seemed unable to defrag the drive properly.
Defraggler seems to do a much better job although others on forums seem
also to have difficulty getting it to defrag the last two or three files
and having fragmented free space seems very difficult to avoid - hence
the difficulty of getting that unfragmented page file.
As I have bought myself an external hard drive for Christmas, I may get
more adventurous as I can now easily image the C:\ partition to the
external drive with BootIt (TM) before any experiments.
Once again thanks. See you back on BT group!
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Robert
I have been playing with Defraggler. It is quick. Although it gives a
lot of information it does not report on the pagefile or the MFT. I have
also noticed that it reports the volume as defragmented and if you then
analyse the drive using Disk Defragmenter you get a report saying there
are fragments.
One defragmenter which consolidates free space is Perfect Disk. This has
long had a good name but you pay $40 for the privilege.
http://www.raxco.com/home_office/home_perfectdisk_professional.cfm
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Gerry
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Robert M Jones wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> Your problem defeated me. I do not understand why your msp files
>> were so fragmented. The only explanation remaining that I can think
>> is that the patchs were installed when the system was significantly
>> fragmented. I did not realise defraggler was freeware. I just
>> downloaded and
>> tested. An interesting tool.
>>
>
> Thanks for trying Gerry. I did eventually move all the installer files
> that were fragmented to another partition temporarily, but that didn't
> make much difference to what the XP defrag utility could do. Even with
> about 46% free space and no system restore files and no page file, it
> still seemed unable to defrag the drive properly.
>
> Defraggler seems to do a much better job although others on forums
> seem also to have difficulty getting it to defrag the last two or
> three files and having fragmented free space seems very difficult to
> avoid - hence the difficulty of getting that unfragmented page file.
>
> As I have bought myself an external hard drive for Christmas, I may
> get more adventurous as I can now easily image the C:\ partition to
> the external drive with BootIt (TM) before any experiments.
>
> Once again thanks. See you back on BT group!
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