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I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to
compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I have
plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No
sweat.
How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up
the folders?
Thanks a million!
Mike
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cajun_mike wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I
> want to compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will
> be, no. I have plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook
> Express Quick Backup. No sweat.
>
> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to
> back up the folders?
This compression and the mount of free space you have on your hard disk
drive really have little in common. You should allow Outlook Express to
compress its DATABASES (this is what it really wants to do.)
This should _help_ prevent any corruption in said databases and make them
more efficient. You are basically only told part of the story by the
message box - truthfully the part that did matter to most people when hard
disk drives were 10-20-30GB in size. ;-)
Just let the application do its job - it won't ask often if you let it do it
the first time it asks.
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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[X-Posted to OE General]
How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for another
100 closings of OE.
Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact
About File Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you
compact.
***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.***
See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you
compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back
to zero. See this for more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact
If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.
For more info, see the information outlined in red here:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:
Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as
empty as is feasible.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to
> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I have
> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No
> sweat.
>
> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up
> the folders?
>
> Thanks a million!
>
> Mike
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One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under the
"Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for organizational
purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is lost
during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there
something I can do about this issue?
Mike
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > [X-Posted to OE General] > > How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for another > 100 closings of OE. > > Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: > http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact> > About File Corruption: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx> > Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well > and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When > you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you > compact. > > ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** > > See: > www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 > > With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it > caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which > you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you > compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back > to zero. See this for more information: > http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact> > If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files > being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when > compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual > compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. > > For more info, see the information outlined in red here: > www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 > > To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: > > Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become > corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for > storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder > regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as > empty as is feasible. > -- > > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP Outlook Express > Imperial Beach, CA > > > "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message > news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... > > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to > > compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I have > > plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No > > sweat. > > > > How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up > > the folders? > > > > Thanks a million! > > > > Mike > > |
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If you read all of what I posted, you understand that if you never compact,
you will certainly lose all of your messages at some point.
Define "The compacting process doesn't handle this well".
Perhaps your folders need compacting more often. A manual compact a couple
of times a week may be the answer to your problems.
Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.
If you keep the folder sizes reasonable as I suggested, you shouldn't have
any problems. That said, anyone that values their saved messages should back
them up regardless of the e-mail client they use.
This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what is
written in red. That is referring to a different program.
Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
news:4E2BC8FB-BBC2-4FCC-9F89-1F08C2BD5546[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > > One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under the > "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for organizational > purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is > lost > during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there > something I can do about this issue? > > Mike > > > "Bruce Hagen" wrote: > >> [X-Posted to OE General] >> >> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for another >> 100 closings of OE. >> >> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>> >> About File Corruption: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>> >> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning >> well >> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. >> When >> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you >> compact. >> >> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >> >> See: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it >> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which >> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter >> back >> to zero. See this for more information: >> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>> >> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files >> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry >> when >> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >> manual >> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >> >> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >> >> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for >> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as >> empty as is feasible. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >> > to >> > compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >> > have >> > plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >> > No >> > sweat. >> > >> > How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back >> > up >> > the folders? >> > >> > Thanks a million! >> > >> > Mike >> >>
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I never lost data due to compacting in my OE days. And I had quite an
impressive array of sub-folders.
I compacted whenever prompted, sometimes on my own just for the heck of it.
The larger you allow your mailboxes to grow, the more your risk of
losing data. If you like big mailboxes (and bloated software), you want
Outlook.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est
cajun_mike wrote:
[Quoted Text] > One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under the > "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for organizational > purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is lost > during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there > something I can do about this issue? > > Mike > > > "Bruce Hagen" wrote: > >> [X-Posted to OE General] >> >> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for another >> 100 closings of OE. >> >> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>> >> About File Corruption: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>> >> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well >> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When >> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you >> compact. >> >> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >> >> See: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it >> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which >> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back >> to zero. See this for more information: >> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>> >> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files >> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when >> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual >> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >> >> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >> >> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for >> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as >> empty as is feasible. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to >>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I have >>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No >>> sweat. >>> >>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up >>> the folders? >>> >>> Thanks a million! >>> >>> Mike >> |
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Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!:
1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then
Outlook express crashes and you lose data!!
The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and not
INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database file
(dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating more
stability!
2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX files
DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM!
even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless you
compact them!
so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, outbox
etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and place them
there...
then compact everything!
You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are afraid..
if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you!
"cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
news:4E2BC8FB-BBC2-4FCC-9F89-1F08C2BD5546[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > > One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under the > "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for organizational > purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is > lost > during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there > something I can do about this issue? > > Mike > > > "Bruce Hagen" wrote: > >> [X-Posted to OE General] >> >> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for another >> 100 closings of OE. >> >> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>> >> About File Corruption: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>> >> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning >> well >> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. >> When >> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you >> compact. >> >> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >> >> See: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it >> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which >> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter >> back >> to zero. See this for more information: >> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>> >> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files >> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry >> when >> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >> manual >> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >> >> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >> >> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for >> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as >> empty as is feasible. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >> > to >> > compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >> > have >> > plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >> > No >> > sweat. >> > >> > How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back >> > up >> > the folders? >> > >> > Thanks a million! >> > >> > Mike >> >> |
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Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!:
1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then
Outlook express crashes and you lose data!!
The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and not
INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database file
(dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating more
stability!
2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX files
DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM!
even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless you
compact them!
so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, outbox
etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and place them
there...
then compact everything!
You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are afraid..
if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you!
"cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to
> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I have
> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No
> sweat.
>
> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up
> the folders?
>
> Thanks a million!
>
> Mike
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also you can try the new windows live mail
that is a desktop application
its part of the suite live but you can deselect the rest of the stuff
http://download.live.com
this has NO LIMITATION of file size since it doesn't use the old DBX
format..
this will import all your old emails but you can use both OE and live
mail... on the same computer if you want!
"cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to
> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I have
> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No
> sweat.
>
> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up
> the folders?
>
> Thanks a million!
>
> Mike
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I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually occurs long
before the 2GB limit is reached.
The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those
subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox.
Just can't be done.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org...
[Quoted Text] > Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!:
>
> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then
> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!!
>
> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and not
> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database file
> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating more
> stability!
>
> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX files
> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM!
>
> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless you
> compact them!
>
> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox,
> outbox
> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and place
> them
> there...
>
> then compact everything!
>
> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are afraid..
>
> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you!
>
>
> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to
>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I
>> have
>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. No
>> sweat.
>>
>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back up
>> the folders?
>>
>> Thanks a million!
>>
>> Mike
>
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"One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under
the "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for
organizational purposes. "
Well change it! What you describe is not a good idea. Create your folder
structure as sub-folders of Local Folder. Your Inbox and Sent Items
folders should only hold messages awaiting relocation until you move
them on. Do not have any sub-folders of the Inbox.
You can control the Compacting process by doing it at a time that suits
before the count reaches 100.
In Outlook Express place the cursor on Local Folders and select File,
Work Offline followed by File, Folder, Compact All. Do not attempt to
interupt or stop the process until it has completed. Close Outlook
Express when it has completed.
After compacting check your Outlook Express folders are as they should
be. Then select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk
CleanUp to Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files.
Also select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk
CleanUp, More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest
System Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cajun_mike wrote:
[Quoted Text] > One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under > the "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for > organizational purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this > well and data is lost during the compacting process, thus my > reluctance to compact. Is there something I can do about this issue? > > Mike > > > "Bruce Hagen" wrote: > >> [X-Posted to OE General] >> >> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for >> another 100 closings of OE. >> >> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>> >> About File Corruption: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>> >> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE >> functioning well and at some point, you may lose all your saved >> messages if you don't. When you delete, or move messages, the space >> they had used remains until you compact. >> >> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >> >> See: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to >> problems it caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 >> OE closings, which you should do, and don't touch anything until it >> has finished. If you compact manually, at your convenience, this >> will also set the counter back to zero. See this for more >> information: http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>> >> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx >> files being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something >> go awry when compacting, the messages can easily be restored from >> this backup. A manual compact will also reset the counter in the >> registry back to zero now. >> >> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >> >> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually >> become corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined >> folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted >> Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and >> Default folders as empty as is feasible. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>> want to compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will >>> be, no. I have plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook >>> Express Quick Backup. No sweat. >>> >>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>> back up the folders? >>> >>> Thanks a million! >>> >>> Mike
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[Quoted Text] > The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those
> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox.
> Just can't be done.
I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... I made
a simple image below
I don’t know what you are saying the above, above because I can have "a user
created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the screenshot below
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0
from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and bad2 is a
bad strategy, since each of those share the same and single dbx file of the
INBOX
while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file has the
2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, the
combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB!
To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since each of
these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since these share the
same dbx file with the INBOX
and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook just cant
handle bigger size than than ...
and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders without
compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size.
You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink.
"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message
news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually occurs
> long before the 2GB limit is reached.
>
> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those
> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox.
> Just can't be done.
> --
>
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP Outlook Express
> Imperial Beach, CA
>
>
> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org...
>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!:
>>
>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then
>> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!!
>>
>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and not
>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database
>> file
>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating more
>> stability!
>>
>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX
>> files
>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM!
>>
>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless you
>> compact them!
>>
>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox,
>> outbox
>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and place
>> them
>> there...
>>
>> then compact everything!
>>
>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are afraid..
>>
>> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you!
>>
>>
>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message
>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to
>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I
>>> have
>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup.
>>> No
>>> sweat.
>>>
>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back
>>> up
>>> the folders?
>>>
>>> Thanks a million!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>
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You are correct with 2) and not correct with 1).
OE may not crash when a dbx file reaches 2 GB. I doubt that the size will
ever reach 2 GB without the file becoming corrupt and messages being lost or
a new file being created. Large dbx files will take a long time to open.
OE uses a dbx file for each folder.
Folders.dbx keep track of how to display the folder structure. If
folders.dbx gets corrupted, then the folders in a folder may not display
properly.
--
Ronald Sommer
"CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:gjc77c$cek$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org...
[Quoted Text] > Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: > > 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then > Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! > > The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and not > INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database file > (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating more > stability! > > 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX files > DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! > > even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless you > compact them! > > so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, > outbox etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and > place them there... > > then compact everything! > > You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are afraid.. > > if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you! > > > > "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message > news:4E2BC8FB-BBC2-4FCC-9F89-1F08C2BD5546[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under the >> "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for >> organizational >> purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is >> lost >> during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there >> something I can do about this issue? >> >> Mike >> >> >> "Bruce Hagen" wrote: >> >>> [X-Posted to OE General] >>> >>> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for >>> another >>> 100 closings of OE. >>> >>> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >>> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>>> >>> About File Corruption: >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>>> >>> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning >>> well >>> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. >>> When >>> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you >>> compact. >>> >>> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >>> >>> See: >>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>> >>> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it >>> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, >>> which >>> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >>> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter >>> back >>> to zero. See this for more information: >>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>>> >>> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files >>> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry >>> when >>> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >>> manual >>> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >>> >>> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>> >>> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >>> >>> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >>> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for >>> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >>> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as >>> empty as is feasible. >>> -- >>> >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >>> > to >>> > compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >>> > have >>> > plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >>> > No >>> > sweat. >>> > >>> > How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back >>> > up >>> > the folders? >>> > >>> > Thanks a million! >>> > >>> > Mike >>> >>> |
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I agree with your comments about your Bad sub-folders. From my
experience it is the systemic folders, primarily Inbox, Sent Items and
Deleted Items. which are most prone to corruption. For this reason
having sub-folders for these folders is not good practice, especially
the Inbox. Having a large inbox is also not likely to help performance
as it takes time to load and many users have their system set to open to
the Inbox. Bruce puts a limit on folders of 100 mb but this can be way
too high. It all depends on the CPU and RAM of the computer.
I am not sure that implying that Outlook Express has a 2 gb limit on
folder size is helpful. Most systems do not have the resources to
properly handle a dbx folder anywhere near that size.
BTW I am not sure whether you think that inbox+bad1+bad2 exceeds your 2
gb capacity? If you load Inbox you load the contents of the inbox not
the contents of bad1+bad2 as well. You will get the folder structure of
bad1+bad2 but not their content.
--
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CBoom wrote:
[Quoted Text] >> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >> Inbox. Just can't be done. > > I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... > I made a simple image below > > I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can have > "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the > screenshot below > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0> > from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and > bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and single > dbx file of the INBOX > > while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file has > the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is only > 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! > > To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since > each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since > these share the same dbx file with the INBOX > > and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook > just cant handle bigger size than than ... > > and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders > without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. > > You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. > > > > > > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >> >> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >> Inbox. Just can't be done. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>> >>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size >>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>> >>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox >>> and not INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its >>> OWN database file >>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating >>> more stability! >>> >>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >>> files >>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>> >>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>> unless you compact them! >>> >>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>> inbox, outbox >>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>> place them >>> there... >>> >>> then compact everything! >>> >>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>> afraid.. if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>> >>> >>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>> want to compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will >>>> be, no. I have >>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>> Backup. No >>>> sweat. >>>> >>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>> back up >>>> the folders? >>>> >>>> Thanks a million! >>>> >>>> Mike
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Ron
When folders.dbx corrupts you can delete it . You lose the folder
structure but regain your folders.
http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm
I just mentioned it for the benefit of others as I feel sure you are
already aware of this.
--
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ron Sommer wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You are correct with 2) and not correct with 1). > > OE may not crash when a dbx file reaches 2 GB. I doubt that the size > will ever reach 2 GB without the file becoming corrupt and messages > being lost or a new file being created. Large dbx files will take a > long time to open. OE uses a dbx file for each folder. > Folders.dbx keep track of how to display the folder structure. If > folders.dbx gets corrupted, then the folders in a folder may not > display properly. > > "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:gjc77c$cek$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >> >> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then >> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >> >> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox >> and not INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >> database file (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more >> databases creating more stability! >> >> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >> files DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >> >> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >> unless you compact them! >> >> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, >> outbox etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox >> and place them there... >> >> then compact everything! >> >> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >> afraid.. if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >> >> >> >> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >> news:4E2BC8FB-BBC2-4FCC-9F89-1F08C2BD5546[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> >>> One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders >>> under the "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them >>> for organizational >>> purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data >>> is lost >>> during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is >>> there something I can do about this issue? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" wrote: >>> >>>> [X-Posted to OE General] >>>> >>>> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for >>>> another >>>> 100 closings of OE. >>>> >>>> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >>>> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>>>> >>>> About File Corruption: >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>>>> >>>> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE >>>> functioning well >>>> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you >>>> don't. When >>>> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains >>>> until you compact. >>>> >>>> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >>>> >>>> See: >>>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>>> >>>> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to >>>> problems it caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 >>>> OE closings, which >>>> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If >>>> you compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the >>>> counter back >>>> to zero. See this for more information: >>>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>>>> >>>> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx >>>> files being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should >>>> something go awry when >>>> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >>>> manual >>>> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero >>>> now. For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >>>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>>> >>>> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >>>> >>>> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually >>>> become corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined >>>> folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted >>>> Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and >>>> Default folders as empty as is feasible. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>>> want to >>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>> no. I have >>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>> Backup. No >>>>> sweat. >>>>> >>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>>> back up >>>>> the folders? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>> >>>>> Mike
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I am not wrong unless microsoft is wrong also.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903095
"The maximum file size of the .dbx files that are used by Outlook Express is
2 gigabytes (GB).
Note Although the maximum file size is 2 GB, .dbx file performance can be
greatly influenced by the hardware resources on a computer. These resources
can include random access memory (RAM), disk space, and processor
resources."
I have hands on experience with this on multiple computers. When outlook
hits the 2gb limit it crashes all the time and becomes highly unstable
You don’t have to believe me, just google it
http://www.google.com/search?q=2gb+limit+dbx&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
"Ron Sommer" <rsommer[ at ]nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message
news:OqRxpHnaJHA.4424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > You are correct with 2) and not correct with 1). > > OE may not crash when a dbx file reaches 2 GB. I doubt that the size will > ever reach 2 GB without the file becoming corrupt and messages being lost > or a new file being created. Large dbx files will take a long time to > open. > OE uses a dbx file for each folder. > Folders.dbx keep track of how to display the folder structure. If > folders.dbx gets corrupted, then the folders in a folder may not display > properly. > -- > Ronald Sommer > > "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:gjc77c$cek$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >> >> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then >> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >> >> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and not >> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database >> file (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating >> more stability! >> >> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >> files DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >> >> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless you >> compact them! >> >> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, >> outbox etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >> place them there... >> >> then compact everything! >> >> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are afraid.. >> >> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you! >> >> >> >> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >> news:4E2BC8FB-BBC2-4FCC-9F89-1F08C2BD5546[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> >>> One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under >>> the >>> "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for >>> organizational >>> purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is >>> lost >>> during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there >>> something I can do about this issue? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" wrote: >>> >>>> [X-Posted to OE General] >>>> >>>> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for >>>> another >>>> 100 closings of OE. >>>> >>>> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >>>> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>>>> >>>> About File Corruption: >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>>>> >>>> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning >>>> well >>>> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. >>>> When >>>> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you >>>> compact. >>>> >>>> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >>>> >>>> See: >>>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>>> >>>> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems >>>> it >>>> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, >>>> which >>>> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >>>> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter >>>> back >>>> to zero. See this for more information: >>>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>>>> >>>> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx >>>> files >>>> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry >>>> when >>>> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >>>> manual >>>> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >>>> >>>> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >>>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>>> >>>> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >>>> >>>> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >>>> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for >>>> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >>>> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders >>>> as >>>> empty as is feasible. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>> > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >>>> > to >>>> > compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >>>> > have >>>> > plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >>>> > No >>>> > sweat. >>>> > >>>> > How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>> > back up >>>> > the folders? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks a million! >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> >>>> |
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Your reference does not say that OE will crash when the file size reaches 2
GB.
The part that you were wrong was implying that a folder inside of another
folder does not have a separate dbx file.
--
Ronald Sommer
"CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:gjdame$iec$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org...
[Quoted Text] > I am not wrong unless microsoft is wrong also. > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903095> > "The maximum file size of the .dbx files that are used by Outlook Express > is 2 gigabytes (GB). > > Note Although the maximum file size is 2 GB, .dbx file performance can be > greatly influenced by the hardware resources on a computer. These > resources can include random access memory (RAM), disk space, and > processor resources." > > > I have hands on experience with this on multiple computers. When outlook > hits the 2gb limit it crashes all the time and becomes highly unstable > > You don’t have to believe me, just google it > > http://www.google.com/search?q=2gb+limit+dbx&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1> > > > > "Ron Sommer" <rsommer[ at ]nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message > news:OqRxpHnaJHA.4424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> You are correct with 2) and not correct with 1). >> >> OE may not crash when a dbx file reaches 2 GB. I doubt that the size >> will ever reach 2 GB without the file becoming corrupt and messages being >> lost or a new file being created. Large dbx files will take a long time >> to open. >> OE uses a dbx file for each folder. >> Folders.dbx keep track of how to display the folder structure. If >> folders.dbx gets corrupted, then the folders in a folder may not display >> properly. >> -- >> Ronald Sommer >> >> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:gjc77c$cek$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>> >>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then >>> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>> >>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and >>> not INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>> database file (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>> creating more stability! >>> >>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >>> files DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>> >>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless >>> you compact them! >>> >>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, >>> outbox etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>> place them there... >>> >>> then compact everything! >>> >>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>> afraid.. >>> >>> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you! >>> >>> >>> >>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>> news:4E2BC8FB-BBC2-4FCC-9F89-1F08C2BD5546[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>> >>>> One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under >>>> the >>>> "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for >>>> organizational >>>> purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is >>>> lost >>>> during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there >>>> something I can do about this issue? >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bruce Hagen" wrote: >>>> >>>>> [X-Posted to OE General] >>>>> >>>>> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for >>>>> another >>>>> 100 closings of OE. >>>>> >>>>> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >>>>> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>>>>> >>>>> About File Corruption: >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>>>>> >>>>> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning >>>>> well >>>>> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. >>>>> When >>>>> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until >>>>> you >>>>> compact. >>>>> >>>>> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >>>>> >>>>> See: >>>>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>>>> >>>>> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems >>>>> it >>>>> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, >>>>> which >>>>> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >>>>> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter >>>>> back >>>>> to zero. See this for more information: >>>>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>>>>> >>>>> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx >>>>> files >>>>> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry >>>>> when >>>>> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >>>>> manual >>>>> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >>>>> >>>>> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >>>>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >>>>> >>>>> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >>>>> >>>>> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >>>>> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders >>>>> for >>>>> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >>>>> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders >>>>> as >>>>> empty as is feasible. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>> > I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>>> > want to >>>>> > compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. >>>>> > I have >>>>> > plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>> > Backup. No >>>>> > sweat. >>>>> > >>>>> > How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>>> > back up >>>>> > the folders? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks a million! >>>>> > >>>>> > Mike >>>>> >>>>> |
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I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the Inbox
and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages store there
will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are not inside the Inbox
and do not share the same dbx file.
I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing wrong
with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user created or
default.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org...
[Quoted Text] >> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox. >> Just can't be done. > > I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... I > made a simple image below > > I don’t know what you are saying the above, above because I can have "a > user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the screenshot > below > > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0> > from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and bad2 is > a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and single dbx file of > the INBOX > > while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file has the > 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, the > combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! > > To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since each of > these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since these share the > same dbx file with the INBOX > > and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook just > cant handle bigger size than than ... > > and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders without > compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. > > You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. > > > > > > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually occurs >> long before the 2GB limit is reached. >> >> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox. >> Just can't be done. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>> >>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then >>> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>> >>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and >>> not >>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database >>> file >>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating more >>> stability! >>> >>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >>> files >>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>> >>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless >>> you >>> compact them! >>> >>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, >>> outbox >>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and place >>> them >>> there... >>> >>> then compact everything! >>> >>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>> afraid.. >>> >>> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you! >>> >>> >>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >>>> to >>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >>>> have >>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >>>> No >>>> sweat. >>>> >>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back >>>> up >>>> the folders? >>>> >>>> Thanks a million! >>>> >>>> Mike >>> >>
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Bruce
Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely corrupt?
The exception would be excessively large files, which the system is
struggling to handle.
The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox corrupts
then most users do not know how to recover the contents of the
sub-folder.
--
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bruce Hagen wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the > Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages > store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are not > inside the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. > > I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing > wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user > created or default. > > "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >>> Inbox. Just can't be done. >> >> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... >> I made a simple image below >> >> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can have >> "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the >> screenshot below >> >> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>> >> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and >> bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and >> single dbx file of the INBOX >> >> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file >> has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is >> only 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >> >> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since >> each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since >> these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >> >> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook >> just cant handle bigger size than than ... >> >> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders >> without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >> >> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >>> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>> >>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >>> Inbox. Just can't be done. >>> -- >>> >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>>> >>>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size >>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>> >>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox >>>> and not >>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>> database file >>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>> creating more stability! >>>> >>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the >>>> DBX files >>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>> >>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>>> unless you >>>> compact them! >>>> >>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>>> inbox, outbox >>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>>> place them >>>> there... >>>> >>>> then compact everything! >>>> >>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>>> afraid.. >>>> >>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>> >>>> >>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>>> want to >>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>> no. I have >>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>> Backup. No >>>>> sweat. >>>>> >>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>>> back up >>>>> the folders? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>> >>>>> Mike
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The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to corruption than
user created folders largely because they are accessed more often.
I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes corrupted,
there is no reason to recover messages in the subfolders as they were not
affected and their messages were not lost. Like I said. Every folder has its
own dbx file regardless of how the folder tree is structured.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Bruce > > Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely corrupt? > The exception would be excessively large files, which the system is > struggling to handle. > > The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox corrupts > then most users do not know how to recover the contents of the sub-folder. > > > -- > > > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the >> Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages >> store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are not >> inside the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. >> >> I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing >> wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user >> created or default. >> >> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >>>> Inbox. Just can't be done. >>> >>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... >>> I made a simple image below >>> >>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can have >>> "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the >>> screenshot below >>> >>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>> >>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and >>> bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and >>> single dbx file of the INBOX >>> >>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file >>> has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is >>> only 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >>> >>> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since >>> each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since >>> these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>> >>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook >>> just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>> >>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders >>> without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>> >>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >>>> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>> >>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >>>> Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>>>> >>>>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size >>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>> >>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox >>>>> and not >>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>> database file >>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>> creating more stability! >>>>> >>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the >>>>> DBX files >>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>> >>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>>>> unless you >>>>> compact them! >>>>> >>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>>>> inbox, outbox >>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>>>> place them >>>>> there... >>>>> >>>>> then compact everything! >>>>> >>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>>>> afraid.. >>>>> >>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>>>> want to >>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>>> no. I have >>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>>> Backup. No >>>>>> sweat. >>>>>> >>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>>>> back up >>>>>> the folders? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike > >
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yes you are correct.
I did some tests... and indeed bad1 and bad2 have different dbx files!
I stand corrected!
Thanks for this
"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message
news:#iqscMpaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the Inbox > and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages store there > will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are not inside the Inbox > and do not share the same dbx file. > > I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing wrong > with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user created or > default. > -- > > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP Outlook Express > Imperial Beach, CA > > > "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox. >>> Just can't be done. >> >> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... I >> made a simple image below >> >> I don’t know what you are saying the above, above because I can have "a >> user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the screenshot >> below >> >> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>> >> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and bad2 is >> a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and single dbx file of >> the INBOX >> >> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file has the >> 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, >> the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >> >> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since each of >> these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since these share >> the same dbx file with the INBOX >> >> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook just >> cant handle bigger size than than ... >> >> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders without >> compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >> >> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually occurs >>> long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>> >>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the Inbox. >>> Just can't be done. >>> -- >>> >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>>> >>>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then >>>> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>> >>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and >>>> not >>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database >>>> file >>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating >>>> more >>>> stability! >>>> >>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >>>> files >>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>> >>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless >>>> you >>>> compact them! >>>> >>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, >>>> outbox >>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and place >>>> them >>>> there... >>>> >>>> then compact everything! >>>> >>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>>> afraid.. >>>> >>>> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>> >>>> >>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >>>>> to >>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >>>>> have >>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >>>>> No >>>>> sweat. >>>>> >>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back >>>>> up >>>>> the folders? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>> >>> > |
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Bruce
Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. Would you
agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely
corrupt?
So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new Inbox
or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree?
--
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bruce Hagen wrote:
[Quoted Text] > The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to corruption > than user created folders largely because they are accessed more > often. > I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes > corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the subfolders > as they were not affected and their messages were not lost. Like I > said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless of how the folder > tree is structured. > "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Bruce >> >> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which the >> system is struggling to handle. >> >> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the contents of >> the sub-folder. -- >> >> >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the >>> Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages >>> store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are >>> not inside the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. >>> >>> I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing >>> wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user >>> created or default. >>> >>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>> >>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>> >>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can >>>> have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in >>>> the screenshot below >>>> >>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>> >>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and >>>> bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and >>>> single dbx file of the INBOX >>>> >>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file >>>> has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 >>>> is only 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >>>> >>>> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since >>>> each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since >>>> these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>> >>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook >>>> just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>> >>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders >>>> without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>> >>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >>>>> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>> >>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb >>>>>> in size >>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>> >>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox >>>>>> and not >>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>>> database file >>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the >>>>>> DBX files >>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>> >>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>>>>> unless you >>>>>> compact them! >>>>>> >>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>>>>> inbox, outbox >>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>>>>> place them >>>>>> there... >>>>>> >>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>> >>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>>>>> afraid.. >>>>>> >>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>>>>> want to >>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>>>> no. I have >>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>>>> Backup. No >>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want >>>>>>> to back up >>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike
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Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become corrupt.
Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be under the
either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the open. But they will
definitely be somewhere in the folder tree unless they were accidentally
deleted, but that's a whole different topic.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Bruce > > Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. Would you > agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely > corrupt? > > So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new Inbox or > as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? > > > -- > > > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to corruption >> than user created folders largely because they are accessed more >> often. >> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the subfolders >> as they were not affected and their messages were not lost. Like I >> said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless of how the folder >> tree is structured. >> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Bruce >>> >>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which the >>> system is struggling to handle. >>> >>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the contents of >>> the sub-folder. -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerry >>> ~~~~ >>> FCA >>> Stourport, England >>> Enquire, plan and execute >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the >>>> Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages >>>> store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are >>>> not inside the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. >>>> >>>> I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing >>>> wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user >>>> created or default. >>>> >>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>> >>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>> >>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can >>>>> have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in >>>>> the screenshot below >>>>> >>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>> >>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and >>>>> bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and >>>>> single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>> >>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file >>>>> has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 >>>>> is only 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >>>>> >>>>> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since >>>>> each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since >>>>> these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>> >>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook >>>>> just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>> >>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders >>>>> without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>> >>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >>>>>> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>> >>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in >>>>>>> size >>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox >>>>>>> and not >>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>>>> database file >>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the >>>>>>> DBX files >>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>>>>>> unless you >>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>>>>>> inbox, outbox >>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>>>>>> place them >>>>>>> there... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>>>>>> afraid.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I >>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>>>>> no. I have >>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>>>>> Backup. No >>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want >>>>>>>> to back up >>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike > >
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You're welcome. What you had stated was the way I thought way back when,
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
until I was shown the light. <w>
"CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:gjdjjr$i61$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org...
[Quoted Text] > yes you are correct. > > I did some tests... and indeed bad1 and bad2 have different dbx files! > > I stand corrected! > > Thanks for this > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:#iqscMpaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of the >> Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the messages store >> there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. They are not inside >> the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. >> >> I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely nothing >> wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE folder, user created >> or default. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >>>> Inbox. Just can't be done. >>> >>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to understand... I >>> made a simple image below >>> >>> I don’t know what you are saying the above, above because I can have "a >>> user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in the screenshot >>> below >>> >>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>> >>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and bad2 >>> is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and single dbx >>> file of the INBOX >>> >>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file has >>> the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 is only >>> 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >>> >>> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since each >>> of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 since these >>> share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>> >>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. outlook just >>> cant handle bigger size than than ... >>> >>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders without >>> compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>> >>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually occurs >>>> long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>> >>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under those >>>> subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder /inside/ the >>>> Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these things!: >>>>> >>>>> 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach 2gb in size then >>>>> Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>> >>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the inbox and >>>>> not >>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN database >>>>> file >>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases creating >>>>> more >>>>> stability! >>>>> >>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express the DBX >>>>> files >>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>> >>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains unless >>>>> you >>>>> compact them! >>>>> >>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the inbox, >>>>> outbox >>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox and >>>>> place them >>>>> there... >>>>> >>>>> then compact everything! >>>>> >>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you are >>>>> afraid.. >>>>> >>>>> if you don’t know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in message >>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want >>>>>> to >>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >>>>>> No >>>>>> sweat. >>>>>> >>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to >>>>>> back up >>>>>> the folders? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>> >>
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General OE Caveats to avoid such problems:
- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.
- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
- Frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working
offline". More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm
- Do not cancel Automatic Compacting, should it occur, and do not attempt to
close OE via Task Manager or shutdown your machine if Automatic Compacting
is taking place.
- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages) and provides no additional protection:
Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm
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~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
cajun_mike wrote:
[Quoted Text] > One of the problems of compacting files are that I have folders under the > "Inbox" folders and then sub-folders under some of them for organizational > purposes. The compacting process doesn't handle this well and data is > lost > during the compacting process, thus my reluctance to compact. Is there > something I can do about this issue? > >> [X-Posted to OE General] >> >> How can you stop it? Let it compact and you won't be bothered for another >> 100 closings of OE. >> >> Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?: >> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact>> >> About File Corruption: >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx>> >> Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning >> well >> and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. >> When >> you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you >> compact. >> >> ***Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.*** >> >> See: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it >> caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which >> you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you >> compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter >> back >> to zero. See this for more information: >> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact>> >> If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files >> being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry >> when >> compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A >> manual >> compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now. >> >> For more info, see the information outlined in red here: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 >> >> To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting: >> >> Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become >> corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for >> storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder >> regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as >> empty as is feasible. >> >>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked if I want to >>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, no. I >>> have >>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick Backup. >>> No >>> sweat. >>> >>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want to back >>> up >>> the folders? >>> >>> Thanks a million! >>> >>> Mike
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Bruce
My point is that there is unlikely to be any problem if they are not
sub-folders of the Inbox. They will be where they were before the Inbox
was corrupted.
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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Bruce Hagen wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become > corrupt. > Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be > under the either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the > open. But they will definitely be somewhere in the folder tree unless > they were accidentally deleted, but that's a whole different topic. > > "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Bruce >> >> Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. Would >> you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >> corrupt? >> >> So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new >> Inbox or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to corruption >>> than user created folders largely because they are accessed more >>> often. >>> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >>> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the subfolders >>> as they were not affected and their messages were not lost. Like I >>> said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless of how the folder >>> tree is structured. >>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which the >>>> system is struggling to handle. >>>> >>>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the contents of >>>> the sub-folder. -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gerry >>>> ~~~~ >>>> FCA >>>> Stourport, England >>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of >>>>> the Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the >>>>> messages store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. >>>>> They are not inside the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. >>>>> >>>>> I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely >>>>> nothing wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE >>>>> folder, user created or default. >>>>> >>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can >>>>>> have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in >>>>>> the screenshot below >>>>>> >>>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>>> >>>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and >>>>>> bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and >>>>>> single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>>> >>>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file >>>>>> has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 >>>>>> is only 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >>>>>> >>>>>> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since >>>>>> each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 >>>>>> since these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>>> >>>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. >>>>>> outlook just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>>> >>>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders >>>>>> without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >>>>>>> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach >>>>>>>> 2gb in size >>>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the >>>>>>>> inbox and not >>>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>>>>> database file >>>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express >>>>>>>> the DBX files >>>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>>>>>>> unless you >>>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>>>>>>> inbox, outbox >>>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox >>>>>>>> and place them >>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you >>>>>>>> are afraid.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in >>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked >>>>>>>>> if I want to >>>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>>>>>> no. I have >>>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>>>>>> Backup. No >>>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want >>>>>>>>> to back up >>>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike
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OK. I am just saying that having subfolders under the Inbox does not add to
the likelihood of Inbox corruption. I'll leave it at that.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message
news:O5PVhwqaJHA.5488[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Bruce > > My point is that there is unlikely to be any problem if they are not > sub-folders of the Inbox. They will be where they were before the Inbox > was corrupted. > > > > -- > > > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become >> corrupt. >> Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be >> under the either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the >> open. But they will definitely be somewhere in the folder tree unless >> they were accidentally deleted, but that's a whole different topic. >> >> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Bruce >>> >>> Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. Would >>> you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>> corrupt? >>> >>> So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new >>> Inbox or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerry >>> ~~~~ >>> FCA >>> Stourport, England >>> Enquire, plan and execute >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to corruption >>>> than user created folders largely because they are accessed more >>>> often. >>>> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >>>> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the subfolders >>>> as they were not affected and their messages were not lost. Like I >>>> said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless of how the folder >>>> tree is structured. >>>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which the >>>>> system is struggling to handle. >>>>> >>>>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>>>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the contents of >>>>> the sub-folder. -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> ~~~~ >>>>> FCA >>>>> Stourport, England >>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of >>>>>> the Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the >>>>>> messages store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx file. >>>>>> They are not inside the Inbox and do not share the same dbx file. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is absolutely >>>>>> nothing wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE >>>>>> folder, user created or default. >>>>>> >>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can >>>>>>> have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see in >>>>>>> the screenshot below >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>>>> >>>>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 and >>>>>>> bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same and >>>>>>> single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx file >>>>>>> has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of inbox+bad1+bad2 >>>>>>> is only 2gb, the combined capacity of Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To the OP, you should organize your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 since >>>>>>> each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 BAD2 >>>>>>> since these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. >>>>>>> outlook just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving folders >>>>>>> without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption usually >>>>>>>> occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach >>>>>>>>> 2gb in size >>>>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the >>>>>>>>> inbox and not >>>>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>>>>>> database file >>>>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express >>>>>>>>> the DBX files >>>>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size remains >>>>>>>>> unless you >>>>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side the >>>>>>>>> inbox, outbox >>>>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox >>>>>>>>> and place them >>>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you >>>>>>>>> are afraid.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked >>>>>>>>>> if I want to >>>>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will be, >>>>>>>>>> no. I have >>>>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express Quick >>>>>>>>>> Backup. No >>>>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I want >>>>>>>>>> to back up >>>>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike > >
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OK Bruce
Your amendment to your signature prompted me to read to read about
Imperial Beach. Someone has gathered a lot of information and put it on
Wikipaedia. I do not remember Imperial Beach but my wife and I did enjoy
a brief visit to San Diego about 8 years ago. Oh we did not build any
sand castles!
--
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bruce Hagen wrote:
[Quoted Text] > OK. I am just saying that having subfolders under the Inbox does not > add to the likelihood of Inbox corruption. I'll leave it at that. > > "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:O5PVhwqaJHA.5488[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Bruce >> >> My point is that there is unlikely to be any problem if they are not >> sub-folders of the Inbox. They will be where they were before the >> Inbox was corrupted. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become >>> corrupt. >>> Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be >>> under the either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the >>> open. But they will definitely be somewhere in the folder tree >>> unless they were accidentally deleted, but that's a whole different >>> topic. "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. >>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>> corrupt? >>>> >>>> So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new >>>> Inbox or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gerry >>>> ~~~~ >>>> FCA >>>> Stourport, England >>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to >>>>> corruption than user created folders largely because they are >>>>> accessed more often. >>>>> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >>>>> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the >>>>> subfolders as they were not affected and their messages were not >>>>> lost. Like I said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless >>>>> of how the folder tree is structured. >>>>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Bruce >>>>>> >>>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which >>>>>> the system is struggling to handle. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>>>>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the contents >>>>>> of the sub-folder. -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerry >>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>> FCA >>>>>> Stourport, England >>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of >>>>>>> the Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the >>>>>>> messages store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx >>>>>>> file. They are not inside the Inbox and do not share the same >>>>>>> dbx file. I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is >>>>>>> absolutely >>>>>>> nothing wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE >>>>>>> folder, user created or default. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can >>>>>>>> have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see >>>>>>>> in the screenshot below >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 >>>>>>>> and bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same >>>>>>>> and single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx >>>>>>>> file has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of >>>>>>>> inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, the combined capacity of >>>>>>>> Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! To the OP, you should organize your >>>>>>>> data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 >>>>>>>> since each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 >>>>>>>> BAD2 since these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. >>>>>>>> outlook just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving >>>>>>>> folders without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption >>>>>>>>> usually occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach >>>>>>>>>> 2gb in size >>>>>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the >>>>>>>>>> inbox and not >>>>>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>>>>>>> database file >>>>>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express >>>>>>>>>> the DBX files >>>>>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size >>>>>>>>>> remains unless you >>>>>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side >>>>>>>>>> the inbox, outbox >>>>>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox >>>>>>>>>> and place them >>>>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you >>>>>>>>>> are afraid.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked >>>>>>>>>>> if I want to >>>>>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will >>>>>>>>>>> be, no. I have >>>>>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>> Quick Backup. No >>>>>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I >>>>>>>>>>> want to back up >>>>>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike
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3 blocks north on the street I'm on is the south end of San Diego Bay. I can
see the Coronado - San Diego bridge and the taller of the buildings in SD.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=32.635906,-117.101898&spn=0.181565,0.541077&t=h&z=11
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23xISUhraJHA.4424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > OK Bruce > > Your amendment to your signature prompted me to read to read about > Imperial Beach. Someone has gathered a lot of information and put it on > Wikipaedia. I do not remember Imperial Beach but my wife and I did enjoy a > brief visit to San Diego about 8 years ago. Oh we did not build any sand > castles! > > -- > > > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> OK. I am just saying that having subfolders under the Inbox does not >> add to the likelihood of Inbox corruption. I'll leave it at that. >> >> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:O5PVhwqaJHA.5488[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Bruce >>> >>> My point is that there is unlikely to be any problem if they are not >>> sub-folders of the Inbox. They will be where they were before the >>> Inbox was corrupted. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerry >>> ~~~~ >>> FCA >>> Stourport, England >>> Enquire, plan and execute >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>> Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become >>>> corrupt. >>>> Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be >>>> under the either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the >>>> open. But they will definitely be somewhere in the folder tree >>>> unless they were accidentally deleted, but that's a whole different >>>> topic. "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. >>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>> corrupt? >>>>> >>>>> So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new >>>>> Inbox or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> ~~~~ >>>>> FCA >>>>> Stourport, England >>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to >>>>>> corruption than user created folders largely because they are >>>>>> accessed more often. >>>>>> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >>>>>> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the >>>>>> subfolders as they were not affected and their messages were not >>>>>> lost. Like I said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless >>>>>> of how the folder tree is structured. >>>>>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Bruce >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>>>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which >>>>>>> the system is struggling to handle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>>>>>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the contents >>>>>>> of the sub-folder. -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>>> FCA >>>>>>> Stourport, England >>>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder of >>>>>>>> the Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in the >>>>>>>> messages store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a bad2.dbx >>>>>>>> file. They are not inside the Inbox and do not share the same >>>>>>>> dbx file. I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. There is >>>>>>>> absolutely >>>>>>>> nothing wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE >>>>>>>> folder, user created or default. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>>>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I can >>>>>>>>> have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you can see >>>>>>>>> in the screenshot below >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 >>>>>>>>> and bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the same >>>>>>>>> and single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx >>>>>>>>> file has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of >>>>>>>>> inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, the combined capacity of >>>>>>>>> Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! To the OP, you should organize your data >>>>>>>>> as GOOD1 and GOOD2 >>>>>>>>> since each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 >>>>>>>>> BAD2 since these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. >>>>>>>>> outlook just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving >>>>>>>>> folders without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption >>>>>>>>>> usually occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders under >>>>>>>>>> those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created folder >>>>>>>>>> /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express reach >>>>>>>>>>> 2gb in size >>>>>>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the >>>>>>>>>>> inbox and not >>>>>>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its OWN >>>>>>>>>>> database file >>>>>>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook express >>>>>>>>>>> the DBX files >>>>>>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size >>>>>>>>>>> remains unless you >>>>>>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side >>>>>>>>>>> the inbox, outbox >>>>>>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the inbox >>>>>>>>>>> and place them >>>>>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if you >>>>>>>>>>> are afraid.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm asked >>>>>>>>>>>> if I want to >>>>>>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will >>>>>>>>>>>> be, no. I have >>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>>> Quick Backup. No >>>>>>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I >>>>>>>>>>>> want to back up >>>>>>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike > >
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Bruce
My recollection is a very pleasant boat trip to near what must be the
North Island Naval Station. Lots of naval aircraft, a large Aircraft
carrier and birds ( feathered variety.).
--
Regards.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bruce Hagen wrote:
[Quoted Text] > 3 blocks north on the street I'm on is the south end of San Diego > Bay. I can see the Coronado - San Diego bridge and the taller of the > buildings in SD. > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=32.635906,-117.101898&spn=0.181565,0.541077&t=h&z=11> > "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:%23xISUhraJHA.4424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> OK Bruce >> >> Your amendment to your signature prompted me to read to read about >> Imperial Beach. Someone has gathered a lot of information and put it >> on Wikipaedia. I do not remember Imperial Beach but my wife and I >> did enjoy a brief visit to San Diego about 8 years ago. Oh we did >> not build any sand castles! >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> OK. I am just saying that having subfolders under the Inbox does not >>> add to the likelihood of Inbox corruption. I'll leave it at that. >>> >>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:O5PVhwqaJHA.5488[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> My point is that there is unlikely to be any problem if they are >>>> not sub-folders of the Inbox. They will be where they were before >>>> the Inbox was corrupted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gerry >>>> ~~~~ >>>> FCA >>>> Stourport, England >>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>> Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become >>>>> corrupt. >>>>> Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be >>>>> under the either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the >>>>> open. But they will definitely be somewhere in the folder tree >>>>> unless they were accidentally deleted, but that's a whole >>>>> different topic. "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Bruce >>>>>> >>>>>> Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. >>>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>>> corrupt? >>>>>> >>>>>> So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new >>>>>> Inbox or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerry >>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>> FCA >>>>>> Stourport, England >>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>>> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to >>>>>>> corruption than user created folders largely because they are >>>>>>> accessed more often. >>>>>>> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >>>>>>> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the >>>>>>> subfolders as they were not affected and their messages were not >>>>>>> lost. Like I said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless >>>>>>> of how the folder tree is structured. >>>>>>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Bruce >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>>>>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which >>>>>>>> the system is struggling to handle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>>>>>>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the >>>>>>>> contents of the sub-folder. -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>>>> FCA >>>>>>>> Stourport, England >>>>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>>>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder >>>>>>>>> of the Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in >>>>>>>>> the messages store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a >>>>>>>>> bad2.dbx file. They are not inside the Inbox and do not share >>>>>>>>> the same dbx file. I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. >>>>>>>>> There is absolutely >>>>>>>>> nothing wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE >>>>>>>>> folder, user created or default. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders >>>>>>>>>>> under those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created >>>>>>>>>>> folder /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>>>>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I >>>>>>>>>> can have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you >>>>>>>>>> can see in the screenshot below >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 >>>>>>>>>> and bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the >>>>>>>>>> same and single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx >>>>>>>>>> file has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of >>>>>>>>>> inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, the combined capacity of >>>>>>>>>> Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! To the OP, you should organize >>>>>>>>>> your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 >>>>>>>>>> since each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 >>>>>>>>>> BAD2 since these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. >>>>>>>>>> outlook just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving >>>>>>>>>> folders without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption >>>>>>>>>>> usually occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders >>>>>>>>>>> under those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created >>>>>>>>>>> folder /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express >>>>>>>>>>>> reach 2gb in size >>>>>>>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the >>>>>>>>>>>> inbox and not >>>>>>>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its >>>>>>>>>>>> OWN database file >>>>>>>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook >>>>>>>>>>>> express the DBX files >>>>>>>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size >>>>>>>>>>>> remains unless you >>>>>>>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side >>>>>>>>>>>> the inbox, outbox >>>>>>>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the >>>>>>>>>>>> inbox and place them >>>>>>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if >>>>>>>>>>>> you are afraid.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked if I want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will >>>>>>>>>>>>> be, no. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick Backup. No >>>>>>>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to back up >>>>>>>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
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They have daily trips on a "tour boat" that goes from the bridge, around
North Island and back. Probably on one of those.
NAS-NI is the home of the USS Nimitz (CVN-68) and the USS Ronald Reagan
(CVN-76) aircraft carriers. It is something to be out in the bay fishing
when one of these ships returns from a tour at sea.
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~Bruce
"Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eKV66HsaJHA.5392[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Bruce > > My recollection is a very pleasant boat trip to near what must be the > North Island Naval Station. Lots of naval aircraft, a large Aircraft > carrier and birds ( feathered variety.). > > -- > Regards. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> 3 blocks north on the street I'm on is the south end of San Diego >> Bay. I can see the Coronado - San Diego bridge and the taller of the >> buildings in SD. >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=32.635906,-117.101898&spn=0.181565,0.541077&t=h&z=11>> >> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:%23xISUhraJHA.4424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> OK Bruce >>> >>> Your amendment to your signature prompted me to read to read about >>> Imperial Beach. Someone has gathered a lot of information and put it >>> on Wikipaedia. I do not remember Imperial Beach but my wife and I >>> did enjoy a brief visit to San Diego about 8 years ago. Oh we did >>> not build any sand castles! >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerry >>> ~~~~ >>> FCA >>> Stourport, England >>> Enquire, plan and execute >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>> OK. I am just saying that having subfolders under the Inbox does not >>>> add to the likelihood of Inbox corruption. I'll leave it at that. >>>> >>>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:O5PVhwqaJHA.5488[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> My point is that there is unlikely to be any problem if they are >>>>> not sub-folders of the Inbox. They will be where they were before >>>>> the Inbox was corrupted. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> ~~~~ >>>>> FCA >>>>> Stourport, England >>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>> Yes, I agree that user created folders are less likely to become >>>>>> corrupt. >>>>>> Depending on what actually happened, the subfolders can still be >>>>>> under the either new or empty Inbox, (most likely), or out in the >>>>>> open. But they will definitely be somewhere in the folder tree >>>>>> unless they were accidentally deleted, but that's a whole >>>>>> different topic. "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eua0LDqaJHA.4792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Bruce >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your response to my first point is the answer of a politician. >>>>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>>>> corrupt? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So are you saying the sub-folder of the Inbox pops up in the new >>>>>>> Inbox or as a sub-folder in a different part of the folder tree? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>>> FCA >>>>>>> Stourport, England >>>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>>>> The Inbox, Sent Items and Deleted items are more prone to >>>>>>>> corruption than user created folders largely because they are >>>>>>>> accessed more often. >>>>>>>> I disagree with the second statement. If the Inbox alone becomes >>>>>>>> corrupted, there is no reason to recover messages in the >>>>>>>> subfolders as they were not affected and their messages were not >>>>>>>> lost. Like I said. Every folder has its own dbx file regardless >>>>>>>> of how the folder tree is structured. >>>>>>>> "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:eMoHiwpaJHA.4820[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Bruce >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that non-system ( user created ) folders rarely >>>>>>>>> corrupt? The exception would be excessively large files, which >>>>>>>>> the system is struggling to handle. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem with sub-folders of the Inbox is that if the inbox >>>>>>>>> corrupts then most users do not know how to recover the >>>>>>>>> contents of the sub-folder. -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>>>>> FCA >>>>>>>>> Stourport, England >>>>>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I have to respectfully disagree with you. Bad1 is a subfolder >>>>>>>>>> of the Inbox and Bad2 is a subfolder of Bad1. If you look in >>>>>>>>>> the messages store there will be a Bad1.dbx file and a >>>>>>>>>> bad2.dbx file. They are not inside the Inbox and do not share >>>>>>>>>> the same dbx file. I also respectfully disagree with Gerry. >>>>>>>>>> There is absolutely >>>>>>>>>> nothing wrong with having a subfolder located under /any/ OE >>>>>>>>>> folder, user created or default. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:gjcso8$f89$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders >>>>>>>>>>>> under those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created >>>>>>>>>>>> folder /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to make things clear and simple for the OP to >>>>>>>>>>> understand... I made a simple image below >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you are saying the above, above because I >>>>>>>>>>> can have "a user created folder /inside/ the inbox" as you >>>>>>>>>>> can see in the screenshot below >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3149578867_9921b84820.jpg?v=0>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> from the above screenshot the 2 folders there with names bad1 >>>>>>>>>>> and bad2 is a bad strategy, since each of those share the >>>>>>>>>>> same and single dbx file of the INBOX >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> while Good1 and Good2 each has its own dbx file and each dbx >>>>>>>>>>> file has the 2gb limit. While the combined capacity of >>>>>>>>>>> inbox+bad1+bad2 is only 2gb, the combined capacity of >>>>>>>>>>> Inbox+good1+good2 is 6GB! To the OP, you should organize >>>>>>>>>>> your data as GOOD1 and GOOD2 >>>>>>>>>>> since each of these have a separate dbx file, and not as BAD1 >>>>>>>>>>> BAD2 since these share the same dbx file with the INBOX >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and as I said there is a limit of 2 gb for the dbx files.. >>>>>>>>>>> outlook just cant handle bigger size than than ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and again I must point out, by deleting emails or moving >>>>>>>>>>> folders without compacting, you are NOT decreasing the size. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You have to compact after so that the dbx files shrink. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam[ at ]mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:ebt78ajaJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> I /did/ suggested a 100MB max, (my habit), as corruption >>>>>>>>>>>> usually occurs long before the 2GB limit is reached. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The OP may have subfolders of the Inbox with subfolders >>>>>>>>>>>> under those subfolders, but he cannot have a user created >>>>>>>>>>>> folder /inside/ the Inbox. Just can't be done. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "CBoom" <someone[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:gjc784$cj0$1[ at ]news.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen carefully because no one else is telling you these >>>>>>>>>>>>> things!: 1) when the dbx = databases of outlook express >>>>>>>>>>>>> reach 2gb in size >>>>>>>>>>>>> then Outlook express crashes and you lose data!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The way to avoid this is to make new folders along side the >>>>>>>>>>>>> inbox and not >>>>>>>>>>>>> INSIDE the inbox, that way each new folder with have its >>>>>>>>>>>>> OWN database file >>>>>>>>>>>>> (dbx) so more data will be spread out among more databases >>>>>>>>>>>>> creating more stability! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) after moving or even deleting emails from outlook >>>>>>>>>>>>> express the DBX files >>>>>>>>>>>>> DO NOT SHRINK UNLESS YOU COMPACT THEM! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> even if you delete EVERY EMAIL the previous large size >>>>>>>>>>>>> remains unless you >>>>>>>>>>>>> compact them! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so do what I said in step 1, create new folders along side >>>>>>>>>>>>> the inbox, outbox >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc, and take the emails from the subfolders inside the >>>>>>>>>>>>> inbox and place them >>>>>>>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> then compact everything! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can back up your dbx folder BEFORE doing all this if >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are afraid.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if you don't know how, post back and I will tell you! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "cajun_mike" <cajun_mike[ at ] qwest(DONOTSPAM).net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9D99BFFA-6F65-4536-B339-1EE903EDA17B[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've reached the point where every time I exit OE I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked if I want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compact my folders to save space. The answer is, and will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, no. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of space, back up often, and run Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick Backup. No >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I stop the program from repeatedly asking me if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to back up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the folders? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike > >
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Bruce, thanks for all your information. "Define..." One of the problems
appeared to be nested folders where I'd have folders under the Inbox which
had folders of their own. I don't think the compacting program handled them
well.
OK. It sounds like I need to do some more work. I'm going to start a new
thread on folders which seems to be giving me the majority of my problems.
Thank you to all who wrote to help!
Mike
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