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Hi,
will Vista allow me to install itself again on the same pc without any
isssues.
Before vista i had XP installed on the Primary and also extended partition
with a total of 3 XP choices to multi-boot.
This would alow me to split XP for different uses, ie. Games/Test/ etc. That
way i could avoid making backups for my gaming partition, which are becoming
larger these days with modern games.
Currently my new system has XP installed on the 2nd Primary and also XP
installed on an extended partion for testing purposes.
I have Vista installed on the 1st Primary.
I use Paragon boot manager to switch primary`s.
So i have available 1 partition left. If i create an extended partition
under Vista primary could i install Vista again so that i could use this for
Games.
I have an image of my current Vista including SP1 without any software
installed, so could i use that for my 2nd Vista.
I guess i would need to add a bootmanager for the 2nd Vista installation as
Paragon only switches Primary partitions and relies on the o/s multiboot
option to boot the o/s in the extended partition.
Hope it all makes sense?
Thanks.
Graham.....
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If you are using the 'same' copy of Vista then you will run into activation
problems; you also would invalidate the EULA (End User Licence Agreement) as
you also appear to have done with Windows XP (unless I have read you post
incorrectly.)
If Vista is installed (or xp) two three or even four times (or more) on your
machine then you need a licence for 'each' and every copy. You cannot,
legally, install the same licensed copy multiple times.
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Windows Desktop Experience
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"GrahamH" <graham[ at ]harrison3951.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Hi,
> will Vista allow me to install itself again on the same pc without any
> isssues.
> Before vista i had XP installed on the Primary and also extended partition
> with a total of 3 XP choices to multi-boot.
> This would alow me to split XP for different uses, ie. Games/Test/ etc.
> That way i could avoid making backups for my gaming partition, which are
> becoming larger these days with modern games.
> Currently my new system has XP installed on the 2nd Primary and also XP
> installed on an extended partion for testing purposes.
> I have Vista installed on the 1st Primary.
> I use Paragon boot manager to switch primary`s.
> So i have available 1 partition left. If i create an extended partition
> under Vista primary could i install Vista again so that i could use this
> for Games.
> I have an image of my current Vista including SP1 without any software
> installed, so could i use that for my 2nd Vista.
> I guess i would need to add a bootmanager for the 2nd Vista installation
> as Paragon only switches Primary partitions and relies on the o/s
> multiboot option to boot the o/s in the extended partition.
> Hope it all makes sense?
> Thanks.
> Graham.....
>
>
>
>
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"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
[Quoted Text] > If you are using the 'same' copy of Vista then you will run into
> activation problems; you also would invalidate the EULA (End User Licence
> Agreement) as you also appear to have done with Windows XP (unless I have
> read you post incorrectly.)
>
> If Vista is installed (or xp) two three or even four times (or more) on
> your machine then you need a licence for 'each' and every copy. You
> cannot, legally, install the same licensed copy multiple times.
>
> --
>
Thankyou for your reply, as there would be activation problems i guess i
will have to stick with using the one installation of Vista.
Also from the licence point of view this Sucks. I cannot for the like of me
see why more than 1 install would require extra licences. I can only boot to
one partition at a time and its also on one pc, so seems rediculous to me
especially for personal useage. I can see why people move to linux.
I reckon in the future i`ll install Linux for main apps and buy a games
consul for gaming.!!!!!!!!!!
Just my point of view, but i think Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot
unless it changes the way it licences its software.
Maybe i should drag the old Apple II out of the cupboard, if it still works
LOL.
Thankyou.
Regards,
Graham..
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Graham,
As far as the EULA is concerned each partition holding the operating system
is classed as an individual machine (the same applies to Virtual Machine
software). I have a copy of Vista Ultimate on my machine and I run a copy of
Vista Ultimate on a Virtual Machine (VMware Workstation) used for testing.
Both have their own product keys and are therefore classed as separate
entities. In the eyes of the EULA I am using two computers.
It is the same as application software you can only use it on one machine,
so, for example, say you dual boot Windows Vista and XP and you purchased
Adobe Photoshop. You could install your copy of Photoshop on either Vista or
XP but not both. If you wanted it Vista and XP you would need to buy two
copies.
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Windows XP Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience
Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
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"GrahamH" <graham[ at ]harrison3951.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uIKZevzPJHA.496[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] >
> "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
>> If you are using the 'same' copy of Vista then you will run into
>> activation problems; you also would invalidate the EULA (End User Licence
>> Agreement) as you also appear to have done with Windows XP (unless I have
>> read you post incorrectly.)
>>
>> If Vista is installed (or xp) two three or even four times (or more) on
>> your machine then you need a licence for 'each' and every copy. You
>> cannot, legally, install the same licensed copy multiple times.
>>
>> --
>>
> Thankyou for your reply, as there would be activation problems i guess i
> will have to stick with using the one installation of Vista.
> Also from the licence point of view this Sucks. I cannot for the like of
> me see why more than 1 install would require extra licences. I can only
> boot to one partition at a time and its also on one pc, so seems
> rediculous to me especially for personal useage. I can see why people move
> to linux.
> I reckon in the future i`ll install Linux for main apps and buy a games
> consul for gaming.!!!!!!!!!!
> Just my point of view, but i think Microsoft is shooting itself in the
> foot unless it changes the way it licences its software.
> Maybe i should drag the old Apple II out of the cupboard, if it still
> works LOL.
>
> Thankyou.
> Regards,
> Graham..
>
>
>
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"John Barnett MVP" <>
[Quoted Text] > As far as the EULA is concerned each partition holding the operating
> system is classed as an individual machine (the same applies to Virtual
> Machine software). I have a copy of Vista Ultimate on my machine and I run
> a copy of Vista Ultimate on a Virtual Machine (VMware Workstation) used
> for testing. Both have their own product keys and are therefore classed as
> separate entities. In the eyes of the EULA I am using two computers.
>
>
I dont mind the idea of paying extra for another licence but at what cost,
im not a Company with large amounts of money available. Im a home user that
likes to play around with pc`s.
>
>
John Barnett MVP"
> It is the same as application software you can only use it on one machine,
> so, for example, say you dual boot Windows Vista and XP and you purchased
> Adobe Photoshop. You could install your copy of Photoshop on either Vista
> or XP but not both. If you wanted it Vista and XP you would need to buy
> two copies.
>
>
Do you honestly think people would buy 2 copies of Photoshop when 1 copy
would install on both partitions, i think not.!!!!
I think what is needed is for Vista and other Software to be available for
installing to multiple pc`s so i can buy 1 Vista DVD and install it on say
3pc`s, at a mimimal extra cost, which is what a lot of families would want.
I purchased Bitdefender internet security which allows me to install on up
to 3 pc`s. so i did`nt have to purchase 3 copies and spend a fortune.
Why cant vista do the same.
Regards,
Graham. ....
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:53:39 -0000, "GrahamH"
<graham[ at ]harrison3951.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >
>"John Barnett MVP" <>
>> As far as the EULA is concerned each partition holding the operating
>> system is classed as an individual machine (the same applies to Virtual
>> Machine software). I have a copy of Vista Ultimate on my machine and I run
>> a copy of Vista Ultimate on a Virtual Machine (VMware Workstation) used
>> for testing. Both have their own product keys and are therefore classed as
>> separate entities. In the eyes of the EULA I am using two computers.
>>
>>
>I dont mind the idea of paying extra for another licence but at what cost,
>im not a Company with large amounts of money available. Im a home user that
>likes to play around with pc`s.
>>
>>
>John Barnett MVP"
>> It is the same as application software you can only use it on one machine,
>> so, for example, say you dual boot Windows Vista and XP and you purchased
>> Adobe Photoshop. You could install your copy of Photoshop on either Vista
>> or XP but not both. If you wanted it Vista and XP you would need to buy
>> two copies.
>>
>>
>Do you honestly think people would buy 2 copies of Photoshop when 1 copy
>would install on both partitions, i think not.!!!!
>I think what is needed is for Vista and other Software to be available for
>installing to multiple pc`s so i can buy 1 Vista DVD and install it on say
>3pc`s, at a mimimal extra cost, which is what a lot of families would want.
>I purchased Bitdefender internet security which allows me to install on up
>to 3 pc`s. so i did`nt have to purchase 3 copies and spend a fortune.
>Why cant vista do the same.
>
>Regards,
>Graham. ....
>
>
In answer to your last question, "Why can't Vista do the same?"
1) Vista can, but Microsoft chooses not to do it in consumer licenses.
2) It IS possible if one uses a Technet license, and perfectly legal.
3) a TEchnet license costs $399 (downloads only), for which one can
get 10 licenses per membership. BTW, such a license is a Volume
License. I use a single CD key for multiple installs. Never had
problems with Windows Activation yet. Additionally, one also gets
Office 2007 Professional Plus, same licensing terms, along with many
other Microsoft products, as well as access to Microsoft betas,
including Windows 7 (when released).
Donald
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"Donald L McDaniel" <>>
[Quoted Text] >
> In answer to your last question, "Why can't Vista do the same?"
>
> 1) Vista can, but Microsoft chooses not to do it in consumer licenses.
> 2) It IS possible if one uses a Technet license, and perfectly legal.
> 3) a TEchnet license costs $399 (downloads only), for which one can
> get 10 licenses per membership. BTW, such a license is a Volume
> License. I use a single CD key for multiple installs. Never had
> problems with Windows Activation yet. Additionally, one also gets
> Office 2007 Professional Plus, same licensing terms, along with many
> other Microsoft products, as well as access to Microsoft betas,
> including Windows 7 (when released).
>
> Donald
Thankyou for replying Donald,
interesting but beyond my budget, lol.
It is just all getting to be so expensive and i doubt the new Windows 7 will
be any better.
I still like Microsoft o/s and have been using them since early Dos days but
when you have more than 1 PC to keep running its a bit costly for a home
user.
Regards,
Graham...
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GrahamH;882879 Wrote:
> "Donald L McDaniel" <>>> > >
> > >
> > > In answer to your last question, "Why can't Vista do the same?"
> > >
> > > 1) Vista can, but Microsoft chooses not to do it in consumer
> > licenses.
> > > 2) It IS possible if one uses a Technet license, and perfectly legal.
> > > 3) a TEchnet license costs $399 (downloads only), for which one can
> > > get 10 licenses per membership. BTW, such a license is a Volume
> > > License. I use a single CD key for multiple installs. Never had
> > > problems with Windows Activation yet. Additionally, one also gets
> > > Office 2007 Professional Plus, same licensing terms, along with many
> > > other Microsoft products, as well as access to Microsoft betas,
> > > including Windows 7 (when released).
> > >
> > > Donald > > Thankyou for replying Donald,
> interesting but beyond my budget, lol.
> It is just all getting to be so expensive and i doubt the new Windows
> 7 will
> be any better.
> I still like Microsoft o/s and have been using them since early Dos
> days but
> when you have more than 1 PC to keep running its a bit costly for a
> home
> user.
> Regards,
> Graham...
Hi Graham,
Donald - thanks for the info.
That sounds like a good deal - isn't just one retail copy of a Vista
Ultimate the same price, i.e. $399 ? Do you need to buy a retail copy
first and then get the Technet license ?
I already have my copy of Vista, but might look into that before buying
a copy of 7.
SIW2
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:03:51 -0000, "GrahamH"
<graham[ at ]harrison3951.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >
>"Donald L McDaniel" <>>
>>
>> In answer to your last question, "Why can't Vista do the same?"
>>
>> 1) Vista can, but Microsoft chooses not to do it in consumer licenses.
>> 2) It IS possible if one uses a Technet license, and perfectly legal.
>> 3) a TEchnet license costs $399 (downloads only), for which one can
>> get 10 licenses per membership. BTW, such a license is a Volume
>> License. I use a single CD key for multiple installs. Never had
>> problems with Windows Activation yet. Additionally, one also gets
>> Office 2007 Professional Plus, same licensing terms, along with many
>> other Microsoft products, as well as access to Microsoft betas,
>> including Windows 7 (when released).
>>
>> Donald
>
>Thankyou for replying Donald,
>interesting but beyond my budget, lol.
>It is just all getting to be so expensive and i doubt the new Windows 7 will
>be any better.
>I still like Microsoft o/s and have been using them since early Dos days but
>when you have more than 1 PC to keep running its a bit costly for a home
>user.
>Regards,
>Graham...
>
Which is why I suggested the TEchnet+ license. For the price of a
single REtail OS you get 10 licenses to Vista+10 licenses to Office
2007 Pro Plus
Don
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:53:02 -0600, SIW2 <guest[ at ]unknown-email.com>
wrote:
[Quoted Text] >
>GrahamH;882879 Wrote:
>> "Donald L McDaniel" <>>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In answer to your last question, "Why can't Vista do the same?"
>> > >
>> > > 1) Vista can, but Microsoft chooses not to do it in consumer
>> > licenses.
>> > > 2) It IS possible if one uses a Technet license, and perfectly legal.
>> > > 3) a TEchnet license costs $399 (downloads only), for which one can
>> > > get 10 licenses per membership. BTW, such a license is a Volume
>> > > License. I use a single CD key for multiple installs. Never had
>> > > problems with Windows Activation yet. Additionally, one also gets
>> > > Office 2007 Professional Plus, same licensing terms, along with many
>> > > other Microsoft products, as well as access to Microsoft betas,
>> > > including Windows 7 (when released).
>> > >
>> > > Donald > > Thankyou for replying Donald,
>> interesting but beyond my budget, lol.
>> It is just all getting to be so expensive and i doubt the new Windows
>> 7 will
>> be any better.
>> I still like Microsoft o/s and have been using them since early Dos
>> days but
>> when you have more than 1 PC to keep running its a bit costly for a
>> home
>> user.
>> Regards,
>> Graham...
>
>Hi Graham,
>
>Donald - thanks for the info.
>
>That sounds like a good deal - isn't just one retail copy of a Vista
>Ultimate the same price, i.e. $399 ? Do you need to buy a retail copy
>first and then get the Technet license ?
>
>I already have my copy of Vista, but might look into that before buying
>a copy of 7.
>
>SIW2
It's not necessary to have a previous copy of Windows to take
advantage of the deal.
Whether Microsoft will have the same price structure for Technet+ when
7 is released to the GP, I don't know. All I know is that for the
price of a single retail license, one gets "beau coup" software with a
TEchnet+ license. Just remember that you would get no media. Just
access to ISOs of Windows, Server, and Office, plus Express editions
of the development tools, and Betas of all as they are released.
Donald
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