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Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"Peter Buttuls" <ye025[ at ]victoria.tc.ca> 10/13/2008 4:32:02 PM
Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I upgrade from
SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone line but have set the
computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since I connect to the net only 1
hour a week it could take a long time for the upgrade, but I could leave
the connection on all night.

Thanks, Peter


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> 10/13/2008 4:46:21 PM
I recommend getting it; it's available on a CD for $3.99 at

https://om2.one.microsoft.com/opa/Validation.aspx?StoreID=ce6e3afc-6b25-4f99-8913-3e3453ad966d&LocaleCode=en-us&JavaScriptOn=yes


--
Don - Windows XP Pro SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"Peter Buttuls" <ye025[ at ]victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:eZ7BdFVLJHA.5232[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I upgrade from
> SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone line but have set
> the computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since I connect to the net only
> 1 hour a week it could take a long time for the upgrade, but I could
> leave the connection on all night.
>
> Thanks, Peter
>


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"Don Phillipson" <e925[ at ]SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> 10/13/2008 4:48:45 PM
"Peter Buttuls" <ye025[ at ]victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:eZ7BdFVLJHA.5232[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Quoted Text]
> Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I upgrade from
> SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone line but have set
the
> computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since I connect to the net only 1
> hour a week it could take a long time for the upgrade, but I could leave
> the connection on all night.

Most components of SP3 appear to concern web functions and
web security. Since you are connected for only one hour a week
why not wait until your present setup defines a functional need
to upgrade? Does lack of SP3 prevent your doing anything you
want to do?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"Jim" <j.n[ at ]invalid.invalid> 10/13/2008 4:53:14 PM

"Peter Buttuls" <ye025[ at ]victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:eZ7BdFVLJHA.5232[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I upgrade from
> SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone line but have set
> the computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since I connect to the net only
> 1 hour a week it could take a long time for the upgrade, but I could
> leave the connection on all night.
>
> Thanks, Peter
>
I hardly think that upgrading to SP3 should be done as soon as possible.
However, if you wish to continue getting fixes, the upgrade should be in
place by the cutoff date for SP2 (about 2010).
You should buy the upgrade CD. It takes a few weeks to arrive, but even so,
it might arrive before the download completes.
Jim


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper[ at ]gmail.com> 10/13/2008 5:10:35 PM
Peter Buttuls wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I
> upgrade from SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone
> line but have set the computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since
> I connect to the net only 1 hour a week it could take a long time
> for the upgrade, but I could leave the connection on all night.

The importance of SP3 is determined *by you*. After all you are asking
about an update for a particular operating system on a particular machine
with particular software and you have a specific way you likely use said
machine. You don't *need* a computer to survive, so its criticality can
only be determined by your own needs.

(E.G. - Many people are still running Windows 98 - so SP3 has no meaning to
them what-so-ever.)

In your case (dial-up) I suggest ordering the CD and/or getting a
friend/family member to download it and copy it for you and/or doing it at
some place with high-speed Internet yourself.


Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
install if...

- You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
- You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
- You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time into
the future.
- You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3 that
is.)

Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and until the
release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have been keeping your
PC updated - so you probably have all those updates - fact is, you'd be
incorrect. You may have all the publically released ones, but SP3 contains
1179 previously released updates - guaranteed you do not have them all
installed without it. ;-)

Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their particular
configuration or a problem caused by a third party change/mis-configuration
on their system - and almost all have a relatively simple fix.

Before starting, know where you can get help:

A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*
until April 2009...
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how can you
get SP3?
Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en

Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals
and Developers
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en


Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

Key things to note:
Internet Explorer:
"If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of
Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall
Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta
version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP
SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3,
uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
"If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center
Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To
avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If
this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows
XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."


Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
Check these out:
It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing
SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair
installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for
that...

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...

Workarounds:
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
[NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool
that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing
[WinXP SP3]."

1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
2. After booting into Safe Mode:
Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
sc config intelppm start= disabled
--> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.

Other references include:
1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
2.
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
3. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
4.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
Windows
XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer
(Revised 06 May-08): http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to install
SP3... I suggest going straigh to Method 3 of this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing the
latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...

Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
planning. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"JS" <[ at ]> 10/13/2008 7:25:06 PM
Since you only have a Dial-Up connection, I would recommend that you order
the CD from Microsoft. Will not only save time but may also prevent problems
should you lose your phone connection. And you will always have the CD
should you need it.

How to obtain the latest Windows XP service pack

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389

SP3 CD ($3.99 + Tax and shipping charges)


JS
http://www.pagestart.com


"Peter Buttuls" <ye025[ at ]victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:eZ7BdFVLJHA.5232[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I upgrade from
> SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone line but have set
> the computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since I connect to the net only
> 1 hour a week it could take a long time for the upgrade, but I could
> leave the connection on all night.
>
> Thanks, Peter
>


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
"Twayne" <nobody[ at ]devnull.spamcop.net> 10/14/2008 1:25:46 AM
[Quoted Text]
> Peter Buttuls wrote:
>> Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I
>> upgrade from SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone
>> line but have set the computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since
>> I connect to the net only 1 hour a week it could take a long time
>> for the upgrade, but I could leave the connection on all night.
>
> The importance of SP3 is determined *by you*. After all you are
> asking about an update for a particular operating system on a
> particular machine with particular software and you have a specific
> way you likely use said machine. You don't *need* a computer to
> survive, so its criticality can only be determined by your own needs.
>
> (E.G. - Many people are still running Windows 98 - so SP3 has no
> meaning to them what-so-ever.)
>
> In your case (dial-up) I suggest ordering the CD and/or getting a
> friend/family member to download it and copy it for you and/or doing
> it at some place with high-speed Internet yourself.
>
>
> Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
> install if...
>
> - You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
> - You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
> - You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time
> into the future.
> - You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3
> that is.)
>
> Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and
> until the release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have
> been keeping your PC updated - so you probably have all those updates
> - fact is, you'd be incorrect. You may have all the publically
> released ones, but SP3 contains 1179 previously released updates -
> guaranteed you do not have them all installed without it. ;-)
>
> Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their
> particular configuration or a problem caused by a third party
> change/mis-configuration on their system - and almost all have a
> relatively simple fix.
> Before starting, know where you can get help:
>
> A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from
> Microsoft* until April 2009...
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
>
> Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how
> can you get SP3?
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT
> Professionals and Developers
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en
>
>
> Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
>
> Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>
> Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm
>
> Key things to note:
> Internet Explorer:
> "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version
> of Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot
> uninstall Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer
> 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before
> installing Windows XP SP3. If you have already encountered this
> issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3, uninstall Internet Explorer, and
> then reinstall Windows XP SP3."
> Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
> "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media
> Center Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may
> malfunction. To avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you
> install Windows XP SP3. If this issue has already occurred,
> uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows XP SP2, and then reinstall
> Windows XP SP3."
>
> Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
> Check these out:
> It seems some people are unable to get further updates after
> installing SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to
> doing a repair installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to
> work for them for that...
>
> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
> Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a
> Windows XP installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...
>
> Workarounds:
> http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
> [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small
> tool that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before
> installing [WinXP SP3]."
>
> 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
> 2. After booting into Safe Mode:
> Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
> sc config intelppm start= disabled
> --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.
>
> Other references include:
> 1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
> 2.
> http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
> 3.
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
> 4.
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
> 5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
> Windows
> XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based
> computer (Revised 06 May-08): http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372
>
> Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to
> install SP3... I suggest going straigh to Method 3 of this article:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377
>
> Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like
> installing the latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...
>
> Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
> planning. ;-)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP

EXCELlent post, Shenan; good collection of the details. In fact, good
enough to make it a "keeper" to pass on to others. Thanks; that was a
fair amount of work to compile, I know.

Twayne


Re: Is SP3 upgrade very important ?
What does this mean ? 12/16/2008 7:46:02 AM
THANKS very much, Shenan, for your VERY LENGTHY reply
Peter Buttuls,
Victoria, Canada

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Peter Buttuls wrote:
> > Could someone please advise me if it's very important that I
> > upgrade from SP2 to SP3 as soon as possible ? I am on a telephone
> > line but have set the computer to "Automatic Upgrading", but since
> > I connect to the net only 1 hour a week it could take a long time
> > for the upgrade, but I could leave the connection on all night.
>
> The importance of SP3 is determined *by you*. After all you are asking
> about an update for a particular operating system on a particular machine
> with particular software and you have a specific way you likely use said
> machine. You don't *need* a computer to survive, so its criticality can
> only be determined by your own needs.
>
> (E.G. - Many people are still running Windows 98 - so SP3 has no meaning to
> them what-so-ever.)
>
> In your case (dial-up) I suggest ordering the CD and/or getting a
> friend/family member to download it and copy it for you and/or doing it at
> some place with high-speed Internet yourself.
>
>
> Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
> install if...
>
> - You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
> - You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
> - You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time into
> the future.
> - You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3 that
> is.)
>
> Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and until the
> release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have been keeping your
> PC updated - so you probably have all those updates - fact is, you'd be
> incorrect. You may have all the publically released ones, but SP3 contains
> 1179 previously released updates - guaranteed you do not have them all
> installed without it. ;-)
>
> Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their particular
> configuration or a problem caused by a third party change/mis-configuration
> on their system - and almost all have a relatively simple fix.
>
> Before starting, know where you can get help:
>
> A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*
> until April 2009...
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
>
> Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how can you
> get SP3?
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals
> and Developers
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en
>
>
> Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
>
> Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>
> Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm
>
> Key things to note:
> Internet Explorer:
> "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of
> Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall
> Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta
> version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP
> SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3,
> uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."
>
> Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
> "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center
> Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To
> avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If
> this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows
> XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."
>
>
> Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
> Check these out:
> It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing
> SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair
> installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for
> that...
>
> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
> installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...
>
> Workarounds:
> http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
> [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool
> that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing
> [WinXP SP3]."
>
> 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
> 2. After booting into Safe Mode:
> Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
> sc config intelppm start= disabled
> --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.
>
> Other references include:
> 1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
> 2.
> http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
> 3. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
> 4.
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
> 5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
> Windows
> XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer
> (Revised 06 May-08): http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372
>
> Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to install
> SP3... I suggest going straigh to Method 3 of this article:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377
>
> Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing the
> latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...
>
> Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
> planning. ;-)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

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