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I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. I am now
ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does anybody know which
server 2008 standard I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ?
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Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with the Premium
version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and includes an SQL DVD. We
needed to know if you install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a case of
installing SQL 2K8 on another box?
gary
"Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
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That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks.
However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard (either
32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need the second server
OS for SQL to run on.
--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
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"Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with the Premium > version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and includes an SQL DVD. > We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a case of > installing SQL 2K8 on another box? > > gary > > > "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >> >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>> >> >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>> >> >> -- >> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >> >> ____________________________ >> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. I am now >>>ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does anybody know which >>>server 2008 standard I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >>> >> >
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There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 installation and
other servers on your LAN. You can add as many as you have licenses for,
and add them to the domain and the RWW landing page manually.
-Larry
"Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. > > However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard (either > 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need the second server > OS for SQL to run on. > > > > -- > Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > > > ____________________________ > "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with the >> Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and includes an >> SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a >> case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >> >> gary >> >> >> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>> >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>> >>> >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>> >>> >>> ____________________________ >>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. I am now >>>>ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does anybody know which >>>>server 2008 standard I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >>>> >>> >> >
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Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS specific
SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a member server in
the SBS 2008 network.
If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue I'd think.
--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
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"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in
message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 installation and > other servers on your LAN. You can add as many as you have licenses for, > and add them to the domain and the RWW landing page manually. > > -Larry > > "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >> >> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard >> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need the >> second server OS for SQL to run on. >> >> >> >> -- >> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >> >> ____________________________ >> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with the >>> Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and includes an >>> SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a >>> case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >>> >>> gary >>> >>> >>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>> >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>> >>>> >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________ >>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. I am now >>>>>ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does anybody know which >>>>>server 2008 standard I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included "Premium" so
that he could install a second server with or without SQL. As you point
out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it doesn't matter. And, what
the Premium part gives you is a second Server license and a License for SQL,
which is included in the AP, so imo AP gives you either the same or more
than SBS 2008 Premium.
You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be installed on
any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small Business, which is the
same thing with a different label and EULA, restricting it to SBS servers or
SBS (preferably) domain member or SBS additional DC servers.
Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for Small
Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network and on a stand
alone server or member of a different network, either Domain or Workgroup.
That will depend on the number of licenses/installs granted by the AP
license.
-Larry
"Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS > specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a member > server in the SBS 2008 network. > > If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue I'd > think. > > -- > Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > > > ____________________________ > "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in > message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 installation and >> other servers on your LAN. You can add as many as you have licenses for, >> and add them to the domain and the RWW landing page manually. >> >> -Larry >> >> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >>> >>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard >>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need the >>> second server OS for SQL to run on. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>> >>> >>> ____________________________ >>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with the >>>> Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and includes an >>>> SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a >>>> case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >>>> >>>> gary >>>> >>>> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>> >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________ >>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. I am >>>>>>now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does anybody know >>>>>>which server 2008 standard I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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But what about licensing?
We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more than 5
users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that (SBS 2008
Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy PremiumCALs? or Standard
CALs + SQL CALs?
any help appreciated...
"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included "Premium" so > that he could install a second server with or without SQL. As you point > out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it doesn't matter. And, what > the Premium part gives you is a second Server license and a License for SQL, > which is included in the AP, so imo AP gives you either the same or more > than SBS 2008 Premium. > > You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be installed on > any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small Business, which is the > same thing with a different label and EULA, restricting it to SBS servers or > SBS (preferably) domain member or SBS additional DC servers. > > Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for Small > Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network and on a stand > alone server or member of a different network, either Domain or Workgroup. > That will depend on the number of licenses/installs granted by the AP > license. > > -Larry > > "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS > > specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a member > > server in the SBS 2008 network. > > > > If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue I'd > > think. > > > > -- > > Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > > > > > > ____________________________ > > "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in > > message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 installation and > >> other servers on your LAN. You can add as many as you have licenses for, > >> and add them to the domain and the RWW landing page manually. > >> > >> -Larry > >> > >> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. > >>> > >>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard > >>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need the > >>> second server OS for SQL to run on. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________ > >>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with the > >>>> Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and includes an > >>>> SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a > >>>> case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? > >>>> > >>>> gary > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. > >>>>> > >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > >>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. I am > >>>>>>now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does anybody know > >>>>>>which server 2008 standard I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > |
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Gonzalo Parra wrote:
[Quoted Text] > But what about licensing?
>
> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more
> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that
> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy
> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs?
>
> any help appreciated...
If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs.
Otherwise standard CALs will be fine.
>
> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included
>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without
>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it
>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second
>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP,
>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium.
>>
>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be
>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small
>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA,
>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or
>> SBS additional DC servers.
>>
>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for
>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network
>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either
>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of
>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license.
>>
>> -Larry
>>
>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS
>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a
>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network.
>>>
>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue
>>> I'd think.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________
>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote
>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008
>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many
>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW
>>>> landing page manually.
>>>>
>>>> -Larry
>>>>
>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard
>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need
>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with
>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and
>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8
>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform.
>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does
>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the
>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ?
--
/kj
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Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard and
adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can 'shortcut'
with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS premium, even if the
end result is the same software setup. MS can be picky about licensing in
this regard.
Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by trusting
information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call to Microsoft
directly.
-Cliff
"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Gonzalo Parra wrote: >> But what about licensing? >> >> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >> >> any help appreciated... > > If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs. > Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. > > >> >> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >> >>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without >>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, >>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >>> >>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, >>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or >>> SBS additional DC servers. >>> >>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for >>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network >>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either >>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of >>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >>> >>> -Larry >>> >>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS >>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a >>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network. >>>> >>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue >>>> I'd think. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________ >>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many >>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW >>>>> landing page manually. >>>>> >>>>> -Larry >>>>> >>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard >>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need >>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with >>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and >>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. >>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does >>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the >>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ? > > -- > /kj > |
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Hmmm. I don't think it's right either. (that'll teach me to finish that cup
'o joe before reading).
However, MS has done essentially the same thing for SBSC's in the action
pack program.
....but I completely agree with the phone call to MS Licensing for an
authoritative answer.
Cliff Galiher wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard > and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can > 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS > premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can > be picky about licensing in this regard. > > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by > trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call > to Microsoft directly. > > -Cliff > > > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >>> But what about licensing? >>> >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >>> >>> any help appreciated... >> >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium >> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >> >> >>> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >>> >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >>>> >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or >>>> SBS additional DC servers. >>>> >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard >>>> for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS >>>> network and on a stand alone server or member of a different >>>> network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the >>>> number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >>>> >>>> -Larry >>>> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the >>>>> SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's >>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network. >>>>> >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue >>>>> I'd think. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________ >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW >>>>>> landing page manually. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 >>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on >>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another >>>>>>>> box? gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware >>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd >>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I >>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >> >> -- >> /kj
--
/kj
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Thanks KJ, Cliff for the input,
I did called Microstf and spoke with a Pre-Sales License Specialist and
after some research he told me that yes, you can use Premium licenses on a
Standard version. Aparently the SBS2008 licensing is made so you can mix and
match Standard and Premium CALs depending on if the users will need access to
SQL servers on the domain or not...
He sent me to the following URL:
http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/
where you can download the Product User Rights which confirms that SBS2008
Premuim CALs can be used on SBS2008 standard and that an SBS2008 Premium CAL
is all is needed to access any SQL server on the domain...
Thanks!
"kj [SBS MVP]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hmmm. I don't think it's right either. (that'll teach me to finish that cup > 'o joe before reading). > > However, MS has done essentially the same thing for SBSC's in the action > pack program. > > ....but I completely agree with the phone call to MS Licensing for an > authoritative answer. > > > Cliff Galiher wrote: > > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard > > and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can > > 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS > > premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can > > be picky about licensing in this regard. > > > > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by > > trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call > > to Microsoft directly. > > > > -Cliff > > > > > > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> Gonzalo Parra wrote: > >>> But what about licensing? > >>> > >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more > >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that > >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy > >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? > >>> > >>> any help appreciated... > >> > >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium > >> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > >>> > >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included > >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without > >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it > >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second > >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, > >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. > >>>> > >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be > >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small > >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, > >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or > >>>> SBS additional DC servers. > >>>> > >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard > >>>> for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS > >>>> network and on a stand alone server or member of a different > >>>> network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the > >>>> number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license. > >>>> > >>>> -Larry > >>>> > >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the > >>>>> SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's > >>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network. > >>>>> > >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue > >>>>> I'd think. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote > >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 > >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many > >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW > >>>>>> landing page manually. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Larry > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 > >>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on > >>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with > >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and > >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 > >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another > >>>>>>>> box? gary > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware > >>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd > >>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I > >>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? > >> > >> -- > >> /kj > > -- > /kj > > > |
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Hmmmm:
SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard Server.
Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers it in the
same domain.
SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective of what
server it is installed on.
It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses granted by the
Action Pack for the number of users needed by the organization
--
Larry
Please post the resolution to your
issue so that others may benefit.
"Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard and > adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can 'shortcut' > with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS premium, even if > the end result is the same software setup. MS can be picky about > licensing in this regard. > > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by trusting > information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call to Microsoft > directly. > > -Cliff > > > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >>> But what about licensing? >>> >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >>> >>> any help appreciated... >> >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs. >> Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >> >> >>> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >>> >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >>>> >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or >>>> SBS additional DC servers. >>>> >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for >>>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network >>>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either >>>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of >>>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >>>> >>>> -Larry >>>> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS >>>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a >>>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network. >>>>> >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue >>>>> I'd think. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________ >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW >>>>>> landing page manually. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard >>>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need >>>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. >>>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does >>>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the >>>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ? >> >> -- >> /kj >>
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Yes, you are right, buying them separatlely should be ok too, but it is a lot
cheaper to buy SBS2008 Premium Licenses instead...
"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hmmmm:
>
> SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard Server.
>
> Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers it in the
> same domain.
>
> SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective of what
> server it is installed on.
>
> It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses granted by the
> Action Pack for the number of users needed by the organization
>
> --
> Larry
> Please post the resolution to your
> issue so that others may benefit.
>
>
> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard and
> > adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can 'shortcut'
> > with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS premium, even if
> > the end result is the same software setup. MS can be picky about
> > licensing in this regard.
> >
> > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by trusting
> > information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call to Microsoft
> > directly.
> >
> > -Cliff
> >
> >
> > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> Gonzalo Parra wrote:
> >>> But what about licensing?
> >>>
> >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more
> >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that
> >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy
> >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs?
> >>>
> >>> any help appreciated...
> >>
> >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs.
> >> Otherwise standard CALs will be fine.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included
> >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without
> >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it
> >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second
> >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP,
> >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium.
> >>>>
> >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be
> >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small
> >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA,
> >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or
> >>>> SBS additional DC servers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for
> >>>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network
> >>>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either
> >>>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of
> >>>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Larry
> >>>>
> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
> >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS
> >>>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a
> >>>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue
> >>>>> I'd think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ____________________________
> >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote
> >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008
> >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many
> >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW
> >>>>>> landing page manually.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Larry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard
> >>>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need
> >>>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ____________________________
> >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with
> >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and
> >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8
> >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> gary
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________
> >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform.
> >>>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does
> >>>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the
> >>>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ?
> >>
> >> --
> >> /kj
> >>
>
>
|
|
Gonzalo wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Thanks KJ, Cliff for the input, > > I did called Microstf and spoke with a Pre-Sales License Specialist > and after some research he told me that yes, you can use Premium > licenses on a Standard version. Aparently the SBS2008 licensing is > made so you can mix and match Standard and Premium CALs depending on > if the users will need access to SQL servers on the domain or not... > > He sent me to the following URL: > > http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/> > where you can download the Product User Rights which confirms that > SBS2008 Premuim CALs can be used on SBS2008 standard and that an > SBS2008 Premium CAL is all is needed to access any SQL server on the > domain... > > Thanks!
Thank you for posting back your discovered information. While it is
important to individually assure our compliance with licensing, it's nice to
have a handy reference for those generic situations.
Note too that in this case Action Pack licensing is yet a little different
and it wouldn't be a bad idea to shoot off an email to your MAPS regional
service center to confirm what the Volume Licensing Specialist has provided
you.
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Hmmm. I don't think it's right either. (that'll teach me to finish
>> that cup 'o joe before reading).
>>
>> However, MS has done essentially the same thing for SBSC's in the
>> action pack program.
>>
>> ....but I completely agree with the phone call to MS Licensing for an
>> authoritative answer.
>>
>>
>> Cliff Galiher wrote:
>>> Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS
>>> standard and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think
>>> you can 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't
>>> running SBS premium, even if the end result is the same software
>>> setup. MS can be picky about licensing in this regard.
>>>
>>> Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by
>>> trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call
>>> to Microsoft directly.
>>>
>>> -Cliff
>>>
>>>
>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Gonzalo Parra wrote:
>>>>> But what about licensing?
>>>>>
>>>>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more
>>>>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that
>>>>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy
>>>>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs?
>>>>>
>>>>> any help appreciated...
>>>>
>>>> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium
>>>> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included
>>>>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or
>>>>>> without SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL
>>>>>> Standard, it doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives
>>>>>> you is a second Server license and a License for SQL, which is
>>>>>> included in the AP, so imo AP gives you either the same or more
>>>>>> than SBS 2008 Premium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be
>>>>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small
>>>>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and
>>>>>> EULA, restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain
>>>>>> member or SBS additional DC servers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard
>>>>>> for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS
>>>>>> network and on a stand alone server or member of a different
>>>>>> network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the
>>>>>> number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the
>>>>>>> SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's
>>>>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a
>>>>>>> non-issue I'd think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008
>>>>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as
>>>>>>>> many as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and
>>>>>>>> the RWW landing page manually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Larry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008
>>>>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on
>>>>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come
>>>>>>>>>> with the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008
>>>>>>>>>> Standard and includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you
>>>>>>>>>> install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a case of installing SQL
>>>>>>>>>> 2K8 on another box? gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd
>>>>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I
>>>>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> /kj
>>
>> --
>> /kj
--
/kj
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Okay, so I went and thoroughly read the document, and I still have a concern
that you may want to get clarified.
The document does make it clear that you can use an SBS Premium CAL with SBS
Standard (and vice versa) but this really seems to be a way for businesses
to grow into their CALs. The document also seems to spell out that the
premium CAL allows access to "SQL Server Small Business Edition." So in the
scenario you laid out, I do not believe you can buy SBS Premium CALs and use
them to access a SQL Server Std installed from the action pack. I did
*not* see where a SBS Premium CAL can be used to access 'any' SQL Server on
the domain. The CAL language in the document I read seemed very specific.
Just a heads up...
-Cliff
"Gonzalo" <Gonzalo[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:001FFD94-91D4-476B-9BAC-353636C96E07[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > Thanks KJ, Cliff for the input, > > I did called Microstf and spoke with a Pre-Sales License Specialist and > after some research he told me that yes, you can use Premium licenses on a > Standard version. Aparently the SBS2008 licensing is made so you can mix > and > match Standard and Premium CALs depending on if the users will need access > to > SQL servers on the domain or not... > > He sent me to the following URL: > > http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/> > where you can download the Product User Rights which confirms that SBS2008 > Premuim CALs can be used on SBS2008 standard and that an SBS2008 Premium > CAL > is all is needed to access any SQL server on the domain... > > Thanks! > > "kj [SBS MVP]" wrote: > >> Hmmm. I don't think it's right either. (that'll teach me to finish that >> cup >> 'o joe before reading). >> >> However, MS has done essentially the same thing for SBSC's in the action >> pack program. >> >> ....but I completely agree with the phone call to MS Licensing for an >> authoritative answer. >> >> >> Cliff Galiher wrote: >> > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard >> > and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can >> > 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS >> > premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can >> > be picky about licensing in this regard. >> > >> > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by >> > trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call >> > to Microsoft directly. >> > >> > -Cliff >> > >> > >> > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >> >>> But what about licensing? >> >>> >> >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >> >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >> >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >> >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >> >>> >> >>> any help appreciated... >> >> >> >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium >> >> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >> >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without >> >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >> >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >> >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, >> >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >> >>>> >> >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >> >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >> >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, >> >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or >> >>>> SBS additional DC servers. >> >>>> >> >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard >> >>>> for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS >> >>>> network and on a stand alone server or member of a different >> >>>> network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the >> >>>> number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Larry >> >>>> >> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the >> >>>>> SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's >> >>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue >> >>>>> I'd think. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ____________________________ >> >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >> >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >> >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many >> >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW >> >>>>>> landing page manually. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -Larry >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 >> >>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on >> >>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ____________________________ >> >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with >> >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and >> >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >> >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another >> >>>>>>>> box? gary >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware >> >>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd >> >>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I >> >>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> /kj >> >> -- >> /kj >> >> >> |
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Larry,
They way I read his question is that he definitely does *not* have enough
licenses and wants to purchase more. So the question is, since he has SBS
standard (NOT premium, another win2k8 standard server, and SQL Server
standard, can he purchase SBS Premium CALs and be covered?
An additionally purchased SBS Premium CAL would cover access to SBS and the
additional Win2k8 server, but would it cover access to the separately
licensed SQL Server Std? My interpretation of the CAL documentation is no,
but thus the debate...
-Cliff
"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in
message news:eZBthSgaJHA.1528[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Hmmmm: > > SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard Server. > > Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers it in the > same domain. > > SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective of what > server it is installed on. > > It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses granted by > the Action Pack for the number of users needed by the organization > > -- > Larry > Please post the resolution to your > issue so that others may benefit. > > > "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard and >> adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can 'shortcut' >> with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS premium, even if >> the end result is the same software setup. MS can be picky about >> licensing in this regard. >> >> Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by trusting >> information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call to Microsoft >> directly. >> >> -Cliff >> >> >> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >>>> But what about licensing? >>>> >>>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >>>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >>>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >>>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >>>> >>>> any help appreciated... >>> >>> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs. >>> Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >>>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without >>>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >>>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >>>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, >>>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >>>>> >>>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >>>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >>>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, >>>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or >>>>> SBS additional DC servers. >>>>> >>>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for >>>>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network >>>>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either >>>>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of >>>>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >>>>> >>>>> -Larry >>>>> >>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS >>>>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a >>>>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue >>>>>> I'd think. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >>>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >>>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many >>>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW >>>>>>> landing page manually. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Larry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard >>>>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need >>>>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with >>>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and >>>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >>>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. >>>>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does >>>>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the >>>>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ? >>> >>> -- >>> /kj >>> > |
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As I suspected, MS has not been exactly forth coming on the question:
http://blogs.technet.com/nking/archive/2008/12/03/maps-sbs-premium-does-it-differ-from-retail.aspx
This (seems to) make it clear that one can use the products as I
hypothesized. The only question would seem to be what to do if one needs
more licenses than those supplied by the AP.
I have bumped this question up the line as far as I can, but there has not
been an answer that addresses that specific issue. One may be forthcoming,
or it may not.
As pointed out in the above blog, one could download the trial and get 240
days our of it, with no licensing requirements.
--
Larry
Please post the resolution to your
issue so that others may benefit.
"Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%234YygdjaJHA.5440[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Larry, > > They way I read his question is that he definitely does *not* have enough > licenses and wants to purchase more. So the question is, since he has SBS > standard (NOT premium, another win2k8 standard server, and SQL Server > standard, can he purchase SBS Premium CALs and be covered? > > An additionally purchased SBS Premium CAL would cover access to SBS and > the additional Win2k8 server, but would it cover access to the separately > licensed SQL Server Std? My interpretation of the CAL documentation is > no, but thus the debate... > > -Cliff > > > "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in > message news:eZBthSgaJHA.1528[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Hmmmm: >> >> SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard Server. >> >> Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers it in >> the same domain. >> >> SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective of >> what server it is installed on. >> >> It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses granted by >> the Action Pack for the number of users needed by the organization >> >> -- >> Larry >> Please post the resolution to your >> issue so that others may benefit. >> >> >> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard >>> and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can >>> 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS >>> premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can be >>> picky about licensing in this regard. >>> >>> Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by >>> trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call to >>> Microsoft directly. >>> >>> -Cliff >>> >>> >>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >>>>> But what about licensing? >>>>> >>>>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >>>>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >>>>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >>>>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >>>>> >>>>> any help appreciated... >>>> >>>> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs. >>>> Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >>>>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without >>>>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >>>>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >>>>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, >>>>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >>>>>> >>>>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >>>>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >>>>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, >>>>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or >>>>>> SBS additional DC servers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for >>>>>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network >>>>>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either >>>>>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of >>>>>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS >>>>>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a >>>>>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue >>>>>>> I'd think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >>>>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >>>>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many >>>>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW >>>>>>>> landing page manually. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Larry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard >>>>>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need >>>>>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with >>>>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and >>>>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >>>>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. >>>>>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does >>>>>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the >>>>>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> /kj >>>> >>
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Hi Cliff,
Actually it does say it, on pages 44 and 45, you can see the list of CALs
that valid for each product, SBS 2008 Standard and Premium CALs are valid for
Exchange 2007 and SBS 2008 Premium CALs are valid for SQL Business Edition,
Standard, Premium and Workgroup edition.
Also, if you look at the licensing FAQ on the SBS website here:
http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/licensing-faq.aspx
you can see the following:
Q. Can I use my Windows Small Business Server 2008 CALs to connect to a
server running Exchange 2007 or SQL 2008?
A. Yes. You may use Windows Small Business Server 2008 CAL Suite or Windows
Small Business Server 2008 CAL Suite for Premium Users or Devices instead of
Exchange Server 2007 CALs to access instances of Exchange Server 2007
Standard or Enterprise Edition in the SBS 2008 domain. You may use Windows
Small Business Server 2008 CAL Suite for Premium Users or Devices instead of
SQL Server 2008 Small Business CALs to access your instances of SQL Server
2008 Standard or Enterprise Edition or SQL Server 2008 Workgroup Edition in
the SBS 2008 domain.
Thanks for questioning it though, that made me doublecheck...
G
"Cliff Galiher" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Okay, so I went and thoroughly read the document, and I still have a concern > that you may want to get clarified. > > The document does make it clear that you can use an SBS Premium CAL with SBS > Standard (and vice versa) but this really seems to be a way for businesses > to grow into their CALs. The document also seems to spell out that the > premium CAL allows access to "SQL Server Small Business Edition." So in the > scenario you laid out, I do not believe you can buy SBS Premium CALs and use > them to access a SQL Server Std installed from the action pack. I did > *not* see where a SBS Premium CAL can be used to access 'any' SQL Server on > the domain. The CAL language in the document I read seemed very specific. > Just a heads up... > > -Cliff > > > "Gonzalo" <Gonzalo[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:001FFD94-91D4-476B-9BAC-353636C96E07[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Thanks KJ, Cliff for the input, > > > > I did called Microstf and spoke with a Pre-Sales License Specialist and > > after some research he told me that yes, you can use Premium licenses on a > > Standard version. Aparently the SBS2008 licensing is made so you can mix > > and > > match Standard and Premium CALs depending on if the users will need access > > to > > SQL servers on the domain or not... > > > > He sent me to the following URL: > > > > http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/> > > > where you can download the Product User Rights which confirms that SBS2008 > > Premuim CALs can be used on SBS2008 standard and that an SBS2008 Premium > > CAL > > is all is needed to access any SQL server on the domain... > > > > Thanks! > > > > "kj [SBS MVP]" wrote: > > > >> Hmmm. I don't think it's right either. (that'll teach me to finish that > >> cup > >> 'o joe before reading). > >> > >> However, MS has done essentially the same thing for SBSC's in the action > >> pack program. > >> > >> ....but I completely agree with the phone call to MS Licensing for an > >> authoritative answer. > >> > >> > >> Cliff Galiher wrote: > >> > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard > >> > and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can > >> > 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS > >> > premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can > >> > be picky about licensing in this regard. > >> > > >> > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by > >> > trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call > >> > to Microsoft directly. > >> > > >> > -Cliff > >> > > >> > > >> > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message > >> > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> >> Gonzalo Parra wrote: > >> >>> But what about licensing? > >> >>> > >> >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more > >> >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that > >> >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy > >> >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? > >> >>> > >> >>> any help appreciated... > >> >> > >> >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium > >> >> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included > >> >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without > >> >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it > >> >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second > >> >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, > >> >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be > >> >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small > >> >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, > >> >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or > >> >>>> SBS additional DC servers. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard > >> >>>> for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS > >> >>>> network and on a stand alone server or member of a different > >> >>>> network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the > >> >>>> number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -Larry > >> >>>> > >> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >> >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the > >> >>>>> SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's > >> >>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue > >> >>>>> I'd think. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ____________________________ > >> >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote > >> >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 > >> >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many > >> >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW > >> >>>>>> landing page manually. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -Larry > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >> >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 > >> >>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on > >> >>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> ____________________________ > >> >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with > >> >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and > >> >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 > >> >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another > >> >>>>>>>> box? gary > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware > >> >>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd > >> >>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I > >> >>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> /kj > >> > >> -- > >> /kj > >> > >> > >> > |
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Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP] wrote:
[Quoted Text]
It's been a standing position that MAP Subscribers can purchase additional
licenses as needed for internal use up to the licensing limits of MAPs
products. This hasn't changed.
What one does have to keep in mind, that the MAP subscribers license is
limited to subscription and elgibility to subscribe. Should one not renew or
no longer be eligible to renew, the MAPs licenses are no longer valid and
those separately purchased CALs are orphaned until attached to another
server license (Retail, Volume,...)
>
> I have bumped this question up the line as far as I can, but there
> has not been an answer that addresses that specific issue. One may
> be forthcoming, or it may not.
>
> As pointed out in the above blog, one could download the trial and
> get 240 days our of it, with no licensing requirements.
>
>
> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%234YygdjaJHA.5440[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Larry,
>>
>> They way I read his question is that he definitely does *not* have
>> enough licenses and wants to purchase more. So the question is,
>> since he has SBS standard (NOT premium, another win2k8 standard
>> server, and SQL Server standard, can he purchase SBS Premium CALs
>> and be covered? An additionally purchased SBS Premium CAL would cover
>> access to SBS
>> and the additional Win2k8 server, but would it cover access to the
>> separately licensed SQL Server Std? My interpretation of the CAL
>> documentation is no, but thus the debate...
>>
>> -Cliff
>>
>>
>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in
>> message news:eZBthSgaJHA.1528[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hmmmm:
>>>
>>> SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard
>>> Server. Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers
>>> it
>>> in the same domain.
>>>
>>> SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective
>>> of what server it is installed on.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses
>>> granted by the Action Pack for the number of users needed by the
>>> organization --
>>> Larry
>>> Please post the resolution to your
>>> issue so that others may benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS
>>>> standard and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't
>>>> think you can 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he
>>>> isn't running SBS premium, even if the end result is the same
>>>> software setup. MS can be picky about licensing in this regard.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by
>>>> trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick
>>>> call to Microsoft directly.
>>>>
>>>> -Cliff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Gonzalo Parra wrote:
>>>>>> But what about licensing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have
>>>>>> more than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it
>>>>>> like that (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then
>>>>>> should I buy PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any help appreciated...
>>>>>
>>>>> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium
>>>>> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included
>>>>>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or
>>>>>>> without SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL
>>>>>>> Standard, it doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives
>>>>>>> you is a second Server license and a License for SQL, which is
>>>>>>> included in the AP, so imo AP gives you either the same or more
>>>>>>> than SBS 2008 Premium. You nailed it with the distinction between
>>>>>>> SQL Standard (can be
>>>>>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small
>>>>>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and
>>>>>>> EULA, restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain
>>>>>>> member or SBS additional DC servers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL
>>>>>>> Standard for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both
>>>>>>> the SBS network and on a stand alone server or member of a
>>>>>>> different network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend
>>>>>>> on the number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's
>>>>>>>> the SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's
>>>>>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a
>>>>>>>> non-issue I'd think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008
>>>>>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as
>>>>>>>>> many as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and
>>>>>>>>> the RWW landing page manually.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Larry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008
>>>>>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on
>>>>>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come
>>>>>>>>>>> with the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008
>>>>>>>>>>> Standard and includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you
>>>>>>>>>>> install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a case of installing
>>>>>>>>>>> SQL 2K8 on another box? gary
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> /kj
--
/kj
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I agree with you, KJ also pinted this out, but all the times I spoke with
MAPs they told me I can just buy CALS to extend it, which ones? both times
they did not know and forwarded me to a pre-sales licensing specialist to
figure it out, it seems like they don't really know and reaourse to normal
linsing when not sure...
"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > As I suspected, MS has not been exactly forth coming on the question: > > http://blogs.technet.com/nking/archive/2008/12/03/maps-sbs-premium-does-it-differ-from-retail.aspx> > This (seems to) make it clear that one can use the products as I > hypothesized. The only question would seem to be what to do if one needs > more licenses than those supplied by the AP. > > I have bumped this question up the line as far as I can, but there has not > been an answer that addresses that specific issue. One may be forthcoming, > or it may not. > > As pointed out in the above blog, one could download the trial and get 240 > days our of it, with no licensing requirements. > > -- > Larry > Please post the resolution to your > issue so that others may benefit. > > > "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:%234YygdjaJHA.5440[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > Larry, > > > > They way I read his question is that he definitely does *not* have enough > > licenses and wants to purchase more. So the question is, since he has SBS > > standard (NOT premium, another win2k8 standard server, and SQL Server > > standard, can he purchase SBS Premium CALs and be covered? > > > > An additionally purchased SBS Premium CAL would cover access to SBS and > > the additional Win2k8 server, but would it cover access to the separately > > licensed SQL Server Std? My interpretation of the CAL documentation is > > no, but thus the debate... > > > > -Cliff > > > > > > "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote in > > message news:eZBthSgaJHA.1528[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> Hmmmm: > >> > >> SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard Server. > >> > >> Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers it in > >> the same domain. > >> > >> SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective of > >> what server it is installed on. > >> > >> It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses granted by > >> the Action Pack for the number of users needed by the organization > >> > >> -- > >> Larry > >> Please post the resolution to your > >> issue so that others may benefit. > >> > >> > >> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>> Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS standard > >>> and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can > >>> 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS > >>> premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can be > >>> picky about licensing in this regard. > >>> > >>> Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by > >>> trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call to > >>> Microsoft directly. > >>> > >>> -Cliff > >>> > >>> > >>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message > >>> news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>> Gonzalo Parra wrote: > >>>>> But what about licensing? > >>>>> > >>>>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more > >>>>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that > >>>>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy > >>>>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? > >>>>> > >>>>> any help appreciated... > >>>> > >>>> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium CALs. > >>>> Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included > >>>>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or without > >>>>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it > >>>>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second > >>>>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the AP, > >>>>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be > >>>>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small > >>>>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and EULA, > >>>>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member or > >>>>>> SBS additional DC servers. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard for > >>>>>> Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS network > >>>>>> and on a stand alone server or member of a different network, either > >>>>>> Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the number of > >>>>>> licenses/installs granted by the AP license. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Larry > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the SBS > >>>>>>> specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's installing on a > >>>>>>> member server in the SBS 2008 network. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a non-issue > >>>>>>> I'd think. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote > >>>>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 > >>>>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as many > >>>>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the RWW > >>>>>>>> landing page manually. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Larry > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 standard > >>>>>>>>> (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on that. You need > >>>>>>>>> the second server OS for SQL to run on. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come with > >>>>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard and > >>>>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 > >>>>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another box? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> gary > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware platform. > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd platform. Does > >>>>>>>>>>>> anybody know which server 2008 standard I need to use for the > >>>>>>>>>>>> SQL2008 to sit on ? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> /kj > >>>> > >> > > |
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I know. It's frustrating.
If I get "two out of three Microsoft Licensing specialists agree..." I
usually will go with that, keeping everything as documentation of course.
Gonzalo wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I agree with you, KJ also pinted this out, but all the times I spoke > with MAPs they told me I can just buy CALS to extend it, which ones? > both times they did not know and forwarded me to a pre-sales > licensing specialist to figure it out, it seems like they don't > really know and reaourse to normal linsing when not sure... > > "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > >> As I suspected, MS has not been exactly forth coming on the question: >> >> http://blogs.technet.com/nking/archive/2008/12/03/maps-sbs-premium-does-it-differ-from-retail.aspx>> >> This (seems to) make it clear that one can use the products as I >> hypothesized. The only question would seem to be what to do if one >> needs more licenses than those supplied by the AP. >> >> I have bumped this question up the line as far as I can, but there >> has not been an answer that addresses that specific issue. One may >> be forthcoming, or it may not. >> >> As pointed out in the above blog, one could download the trial and >> get 240 days our of it, with no licensing requirements. >> >> -- >> Larry >> Please post the resolution to your >> issue so that others may benefit. >> >> >> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:%234YygdjaJHA.5440[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Larry, >>> >>> They way I read his question is that he definitely does *not* have >>> enough licenses and wants to purchase more. So the question is, >>> since he has SBS standard (NOT premium, another win2k8 standard >>> server, and SQL Server standard, can he purchase SBS Premium CALs >>> and be covered? >>> >>> An additionally purchased SBS Premium CAL would cover access to SBS >>> and the additional Win2k8 server, but would it cover access to the >>> separately licensed SQL Server Std? My interpretation of the CAL >>> documentation is no, but thus the debate... >>> >>> -Cliff >>> >>> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> wrote >>> in message news:eZBthSgaJHA.1528[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Hmmmm: >>>> >>>> SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard >>>> Server. >>>> >>>> Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers >>>> it in the same domain. >>>> >>>> SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective >>>> of what server it is installed on. >>>> >>>> It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses >>>> granted by the Action Pack for the number of users needed by the >>>> organization >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Larry >>>> Please post the resolution to your >>>> issue so that others may benefit. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OR3d3yeaJHA.4732[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS >>>>> standard and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't >>>>> think you can 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he >>>>> isn't running SBS premium, even if the end result is the same >>>>> software setup. MS can be picky about licensing in this regard. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by >>>>> trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick >>>>> call to Microsoft directly. >>>>> >>>>> -Cliff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >>>>>>> But what about licensing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have >>>>>>> more than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it >>>>>>> like that (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then >>>>>>> should I buy PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> any help appreciated... >>>>>> >>>>>> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium >>>>>> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >>>>>>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or >>>>>>>> without SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL >>>>>>>> Standard, it doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part >>>>>>>> gives you is a second Server license and a License for SQL, >>>>>>>> which is included in the AP, so imo AP gives you either the >>>>>>>> same or more than SBS 2008 Premium. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >>>>>>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for >>>>>>>> Small Business, which is the same thing with a different label >>>>>>>> and EULA, restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) >>>>>>>> domain member or SBS additional DC servers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL >>>>>>>> Standard for Small Business, could it be installed on / in >>>>>>>> both the SBS network and on a stand alone server or member of >>>>>>>> a different network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will >>>>>>>> depend on the number of licenses/installs granted by the AP >>>>>>>> license. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Larry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's >>>>>>>>> the SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's >>>>>>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a >>>>>>>>> non-issue I'd think. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >>>>>>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as >>>>>>>>>> many as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain >>>>>>>>>> and the RWW landing page manually. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Larry >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS >>>>>>>>>>> folks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 >>>>>>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on >>>>>>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come >>>>>>>>>>>> with the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 >>>>>>>>>>>> Standard and includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you >>>>>>>>>>>> install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a case of installing >>>>>>>>>>>> SQL 2K8 on another box? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> gary >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> /kj
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*nod* Yep, there it is. Good call. :)
-Cliff
"Gonzalo" <Gonzalo[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Hi Cliff, > > Actually it does say it, on pages 44 and 45, you can see the list of CALs > that valid for each product, SBS 2008 Standard and Premium CALs are valid > for > Exchange 2007 and SBS 2008 Premium CALs are valid for SQL Business > Edition, > Standard, Premium and Workgroup edition. > > Also, if you look at the licensing FAQ on the SBS website here: > > http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/licensing-faq.aspx> > you can see the following: > > Q. Can I use my Windows Small Business Server 2008 CALs to connect to a > server running Exchange 2007 or SQL 2008? > > A. Yes. You may use Windows Small Business Server 2008 CAL Suite or > Windows > Small Business Server 2008 CAL Suite for Premium Users or Devices instead > of > Exchange Server 2007 CALs to access instances of Exchange Server 2007 > Standard or Enterprise Edition in the SBS 2008 domain. You may use Windows > Small Business Server 2008 CAL Suite for Premium Users or Devices instead > of > SQL Server 2008 Small Business CALs to access your instances of SQL Server > 2008 Standard or Enterprise Edition or SQL Server 2008 Workgroup Edition > in > the SBS 2008 domain. > > Thanks for questioning it though, that made me doublecheck... > > > G > > > "Cliff Galiher" wrote: > >> Okay, so I went and thoroughly read the document, and I still have a >> concern >> that you may want to get clarified. >> >> The document does make it clear that you can use an SBS Premium CAL with >> SBS >> Standard (and vice versa) but this really seems to be a way for >> businesses >> to grow into their CALs. The document also seems to spell out that the >> premium CAL allows access to "SQL Server Small Business Edition." So in >> the >> scenario you laid out, I do not believe you can buy SBS Premium CALs and >> use >> them to access a SQL Server Std installed from the action pack. I did >> *not* see where a SBS Premium CAL can be used to access 'any' SQL Server >> on >> the domain. The CAL language in the document I read seemed very >> specific. >> Just a heads up... >> >> -Cliff >> >> >> "Gonzalo" <Gonzalo[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:001FFD94-91D4-476B-9BAC-353636C96E07[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Thanks KJ, Cliff for the input, >> > >> > I did called Microstf and spoke with a Pre-Sales License Specialist and >> > after some research he told me that yes, you can use Premium licenses >> > on a >> > Standard version. Aparently the SBS2008 licensing is made so you can >> > mix >> > and >> > match Standard and Premium CALs depending on if the users will need >> > access >> > to >> > SQL servers on the domain or not... >> > >> > He sent me to the following URL: >> > >> > http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/>> > >> > where you can download the Product User Rights which confirms that >> > SBS2008 >> > Premuim CALs can be used on SBS2008 standard and that an SBS2008 >> > Premium >> > CAL >> > is all is needed to access any SQL server on the domain... >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > "kj [SBS MVP]" wrote: >> > >> >> Hmmm. I don't think it's right either. (that'll teach me to finish >> >> that >> >> cup >> >> 'o joe before reading). >> >> >> >> However, MS has done essentially the same thing for SBSC's in the >> >> action >> >> pack program. >> >> >> >> ....but I completely agree with the phone call to MS Licensing for an >> >> authoritative answer. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cliff Galiher wrote: >> >> > Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS >> >> > standard >> >> > and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't think you can >> >> > 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he isn't running SBS >> >> > premium, even if the end result is the same software setup. MS can >> >> > be picky about licensing in this regard. >> >> > >> >> > Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by >> >> > trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick call >> >> > to Microsoft directly. >> >> > >> >> > -Cliff >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:uyVuDjdaJHA.1352[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >> Gonzalo Parra wrote: >> >> >>> But what about licensing? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have more >> >> >>> than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it like that >> >> >>> (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then should I buy >> >> >>> PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> any help appreciated... >> >> >> >> >> >> If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium >> >> >> CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included >> >> >>>> "Premium" so that he could install a second server with or >> >> >>>> without >> >> >>>> SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL Standard, it >> >> >>>> doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives you is a second >> >> >>>> Server license and a License for SQL, which is included in the >> >> >>>> AP, >> >> >>>> so imo AP gives you either the same or more than SBS 2008 >> >> >>>> Premium. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> You nailed it with the distinction between SQL Standard (can be >> >> >>>> installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small >> >> >>>> Business, which is the same thing with a different label and >> >> >>>> EULA, >> >> >>>> restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain member >> >> >>>> or >> >> >>>> SBS additional DC servers. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL Standard >> >> >>>> for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both the SBS >> >> >>>> network and on a stand alone server or member of a different >> >> >>>> network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend on the >> >> >>>> number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -Larry >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> >> >>>> news:uSJ%23QHoRJHA.3880[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >>>>> Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's the >> >> >>>>> SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's >> >> >>>>> installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a >> >> >>>>> non-issue >> >> >>>>> I'd think. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> -- >> >> >>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ____________________________ >> >> >>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer[ at ]mis-wizards.com> >> >> >>>>> wrote >> >> >>>>> in message news:%230E5PvnRJHA.5348[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >>>>>> There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008 >> >> >>>>>> installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as >> >> >>>>>> many >> >> >>>>>> as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and the >> >> >>>>>> RWW >> >> >>>>>> landing page manually. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> -Larry >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>> news:%23G3c85mRJHA.4408[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >>>>>>> That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008 >> >> >>>>>>> standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on >> >> >>>>>>> that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> ____________________________ >> >> >>>>>>> "Dave Thursby" <thursby_david[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>> news:eutr9zmRJHA.4824[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >>>>>>>> Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come >> >> >>>>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>>>> the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008 Standard >> >> >>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>> includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you install SBS2K8 >> >> >>>>>>>> standard, is it just a case of installing SQL 2K8 on another >> >> >>>>>>>> box? gary >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> "Les Connor" <les.connor[ at ]DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>> news:%231Ji%23tmRJHA.1164[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >>>>>>>>> You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS-MVP] >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Gary D" <gary[ at ]admp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:uUvadjmRJHA.3628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware >> >> >>>>>>>>>> platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd >> >> >>>>>>>>>> platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I >> >> >>>>>>>>>> need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> /kj >> >> >> >> -- >> >> /kj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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