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I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has an Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista 64-bit? -- KC
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I'm running 32 Bit Vista Ultimate on a 64 Bit machine. The reason I don't install a 64 Bit operating system is because most of the software available today isn't 64 Bit. Okay 32 Bit will run on 64 Bit hardware but 32 bit software doesn't need a 64 Bit environment and certainly won't be able to access the additional features of a 64 Bit system. Also 64 bit drivers are not readily available for hardware.
Do you need to run 64 Bit Vista? No - not at the moment. Maybe when hardware manufacturers start providing 64 Bit drivers.
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"KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has an > Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista 64-bit? > -- > KC
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"KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] >I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has an > Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista 64-bit? > -- > KC
To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap
Vangellis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has an >> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista 64-bit? >> -- >> KC > > To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap > > Vangellis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
Can't you get Vista to work for you?
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From what I understand the OP is quite satisfied with Vista Ultimate. His question was simply should he change from 32 bit to 64 bit. That question I have answered. Why would he even bother with XP? I can understand your comments if he had stated that Vista wasn't working for him, but 'it is' working for him.
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has an >> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista 64-bit? >> -- >> KC > > To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap > > Vangellis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message > news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has an >>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>> 64-bit? >>> -- >>> KC >> >> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >> >> Vangellis >> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA > > > Can't you get Vista to work for you? > > > -- > Mike Hall - MVP > How to construct a good post.. > http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc> Mike's Window - My Blog.. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx> > > > Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two machines, but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous operating system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also very tolerant of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about Vista. As I have stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts biggest mistake ever. And at this very moment, Microsoft are working on ANOTHER OS to replace Vista. Vangellis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:%23OssDsxJJHA.5704[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message > news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >> news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has >>>>an >>>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>>> 64-bit? >>>> -- >>>> KC >>> >>> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >>> >>> Vangellis >>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >> >> >> Can't you get Vista to work for you? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hall - MVP >> How to construct a good post.. >> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>> >> >> >> > > Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two machines, > but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous operating > system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also very tolerant > of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about Vista. As I have > stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts biggest mistake ever. And > at this very moment, Microsoft are working on ANOTHER OS to replace Vista. > Vangellis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
Funnily enough, Microsoft started work on the next OS when XP was released, but then history always repeats itself..
-- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message news:eTWrsdzJJHA.3460[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message > news:%23OssDsxJJHA.5704[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >> news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>> news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has >>>>>an >>>>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>>>> 64-bit? >>>>> -- >>>>> KC >>>> >>>> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >>>> >>>> Vangellis >>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>> >>> >>> Can't you get Vista to work for you? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hall - MVP >>> How to construct a good post.. >>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two machines, >> but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous operating >> system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also very tolerant >> of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about Vista. As I have >> stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts biggest mistake ever. And >> at this very moment, Microsoft are working on ANOTHER OS to replace >> Vista. >> Vangellis >> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA > > > Funnily enough, Microsoft started work on the next OS when XP was > released, but then history always repeats itself.. > > -- > Mike Hall - MVP > How to construct a good post.. > http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc> Mike's Window - My Blog.. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx> > > > Yes, I agree, But Vista is not being supported by the major software companies because it is so bug ridden, this is also true for many of the major printer/scanner companies as well, they are refusing to write drivers for Vista, and with the sales of XP outselling Vista by 3-1, vista will soon be history. But as for "started work on the next OS" Microsoft have been developing the new OS since just 2 months after the launch of Vista. They could see even then that vista was a huge mistake. It is losing them millions. The new OS is based more on XP, although obviously it has a new look to it, with a much more secure framework, It will include IE-8 but they have done away with windows mail and opted for Outlook Express v10. PLUS it has the added benefit that ALL XP software and hardware will be FULLY compatible. Vista shall not be with us for much longer I can assure you. Microsoft are getting ready to offer all those who have purchased vista and are able to send them the original disk along with the correct activation code, a free upgrade. Looking at it's progress, I would think it should be launched early next year. The name they are toying with at the moment is Microsoft X-Pression, wether or not they will call it that when it's finished remains to be seen. I have a copy of it running on one of my PC's and to be honest it is quite good. It certainly leaves vista standing in terms of speed and ease of use. Plus it looks great, that I must admit. Myself, I am working on the networking side of it, it has done away with all that crap that vista has, and the networking interface/setup looks remarkably similar to windows98 lol. regards Vangellis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:ObWw8Z8JJHA.1556[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message > news:eTWrsdzJJHA.3460[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >> news:%23OssDsxJJHA.5704[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has >>>>>>an >>>>>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>>>>> 64-bit? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> KC >>>>> >>>>> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >>>>> >>>>> Vangellis >>>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>>> >>>> >>>> Can't you get Vista to work for you? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Hall - MVP >>>> How to construct a good post.. >>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two >>> machines, but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous >>> operating system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also >>> very tolerant of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about >>> Vista. As I have stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts biggest >>> mistake ever. And at this very moment, Microsoft are working on ANOTHER >>> OS to replace Vista. >>> Vangellis >>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >> >> >> Funnily enough, Microsoft started work on the next OS when XP was >> released, but then history always repeats itself.. >> >> -- >> Mike Hall - MVP >> How to construct a good post.. >> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>> >> >> >> > > Yes, I agree, But Vista is not being supported by the major software > companies because it is so bug ridden, this is also true for many of the > major printer/scanner companies as well, they are refusing to write > drivers for Vista, and with the sales of XP outselling Vista by 3-1, vista > will soon be history. But as for "started work on the next OS" Microsoft > have been developing the new OS since just 2 months after the launch of > Vista. They could see even then that vista was a huge mistake. It is > losing them millions. > The new OS is based more on XP, although obviously it has a new look to > it, with a much more secure framework, It will include IE-8 but they have > done away with windows mail and opted for Outlook Express v10. PLUS it has > the added benefit that ALL XP software and hardware will be FULLY > compatible. Vista shall not be with us for much longer I can assure you. > Microsoft are getting ready to offer all those who have purchased vista > and are able to send them the original disk along with the correct > activation code, a free upgrade. Looking at it's progress, I would think > it should be launched early next year. The name they are toying with at > the moment is Microsoft X-Pression, wether or not they will call it that > when it's finished remains to be seen. I have a copy of it running on one > of my PC's and to be honest it is quite good. It certainly leaves vista > standing in terms of speed and ease of use. Plus it looks great, that I > must admit. Myself, I am working on the networking side of it, it has done > away with all that crap that vista has, and the networking interface/setup > looks remarkably similar to windows98 lol. > regards > Vangellis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >
They always start on the next OS after a release.
-- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
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Question Vangellis.
If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked)
As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 operating system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP.
An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door.
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:ObWw8Z8JJHA.1556[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message > news:eTWrsdzJJHA.3460[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >> news:%23OssDsxJJHA.5704[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that has >>>>>>an >>>>>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>>>>> 64-bit? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> KC >>>>> >>>>> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >>>>> >>>>> Vangellis >>>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>>> >>>> >>>> Can't you get Vista to work for you? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Hall - MVP >>>> How to construct a good post.. >>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two >>> machines, but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous >>> operating system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also >>> very tolerant of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about >>> Vista. As I have stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts biggest >>> mistake ever. And at this very moment, Microsoft are working on ANOTHER >>> OS to replace Vista. >>> Vangellis >>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >> >> >> Funnily enough, Microsoft started work on the next OS when XP was >> released, but then history always repeats itself.. >> >> -- >> Mike Hall - MVP >> How to construct a good post.. >> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>> >> >> >> > > Yes, I agree, But Vista is not being supported by the major software > companies because it is so bug ridden, this is also true for many of the > major printer/scanner companies as well, they are refusing to write > drivers for Vista, and with the sales of XP outselling Vista by 3-1, vista > will soon be history. But as for "started work on the next OS" Microsoft > have been developing the new OS since just 2 months after the launch of > Vista. They could see even then that vista was a huge mistake. It is > losing them millions. > The new OS is based more on XP, although obviously it has a new look to > it, with a much more secure framework, It will include IE-8 but they have > done away with windows mail and opted for Outlook Express v10. PLUS it has > the added benefit that ALL XP software and hardware will be FULLY > compatible. Vista shall not be with us for much longer I can assure you. > Microsoft are getting ready to offer all those who have purchased vista > and are able to send them the original disk along with the correct > activation code, a free upgrade. Looking at it's progress, I would think > it should be launched early next year. The name they are toying with at > the moment is Microsoft X-Pression, wether or not they will call it that > when it's finished remains to be seen. I have a copy of it running on one > of my PC's and to be honest it is quite good. It certainly leaves vista > standing in terms of speed and ease of use. Plus it looks great, that I > must admit. Myself, I am working on the networking side of it, it has done > away with all that crap that vista has, and the networking interface/setup > looks remarkably similar to windows98 lol. > regards > Vangellis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >
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"John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:eifK1s8JJHA.6004[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Question Vangellis. > > If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are > under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not > allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have > been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked) > > As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 operating > system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot > see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP. > > An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door. > > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org> Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com> > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message > news:ObWw8Z8JJHA.1556[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >> news:eTWrsdzJJHA.3460[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23OssDsxJJHA.5704[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>>> news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that >>>>>>>has an >>>>>>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>>>>>> 64-bit? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> KC >>>>>> >>>>>> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >>>>>> >>>>>> Vangellis >>>>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can't you get Vista to work for you? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Hall - MVP >>>>> How to construct a good post.. >>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two >>>> machines, but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous >>>> operating system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also >>>> very tolerant of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about >>>> Vista. As I have stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts biggest >>>> mistake ever. And at this very moment, Microsoft are working on ANOTHER >>>> OS to replace Vista. >>>> Vangellis >>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>> >>> >>> Funnily enough, Microsoft started work on the next OS when XP was >>> released, but then history always repeats itself.. >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hall - MVP >>> How to construct a good post.. >>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Yes, I agree, But Vista is not being supported by the major software >> companies because it is so bug ridden, this is also true for many of the >> major printer/scanner companies as well, they are refusing to write >> drivers for Vista, and with the sales of XP outselling Vista by 3-1, >> vista will soon be history. But as for "started work on the next OS" >> Microsoft have been developing the new OS since just 2 months after the >> launch of Vista. They could see even then that vista was a huge mistake. >> It is losing them millions. >> The new OS is based more on XP, although obviously it has a new look to >> it, with a much more secure framework, It will include IE-8 but they have >> done away with windows mail and opted for Outlook Express v10. PLUS it >> has the added benefit that ALL XP software and hardware will be FULLY >> compatible. Vista shall not be with us for much longer I can assure you. >> Microsoft are getting ready to offer all those who have purchased vista >> and are able to send them the original disk along with the correct >> activation code, a free upgrade. Looking at it's progress, I would think >> it should be launched early next year. The name they are toying with at >> the moment is Microsoft X-Pression, wether or not they will call it that >> when it's finished remains to be seen. I have a copy of it running on one >> of my PC's and to be honest it is quite good. It certainly leaves vista >> standing in terms of speed and ease of use. Plus it looks great, that I >> must admit. Myself, I am working on the networking side of it, it has >> done away with all that crap that vista has, and the networking >> interface/setup looks remarkably similar to windows98 lol. >> regards >> Vangellis >> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>
Notwithstanding the fact that Microsoft has openly claimed that the new one will be based around Vista, and not XP as claimed by Vangelis. He seems to be better at predicting the future than he is at reading the past..
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"John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:eifK1s8JJHA.6004[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Question Vangellis. > > If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are > under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not > allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have > been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked) > > As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 operating > system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot > see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP. > > An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door.
Yes, I certainly would be shown the door, that is of course if they could trace the origin of this post lol. I couldn't even trace it myself, and I posted it. The name X-Pression is high on the list, along with a few others. And as another poster pointed out, "Microsoft would build another OS based on Vista" After this disaster I doubt it, They would steer as far away from Vista as possible Vangelis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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Sorry Vangellis you have just lost your credibility. Microsoft is quite capable of tracking your postings and locating your ISP source. Your blatant disregard for the rules that Microsoft impose makes me wonder if indeed you are even remotely connected with Microsoft. Why would they still use the remnants of XP, why would they dump Windows Mail in favour of Outlook Express they would be going backwards, not forwards.
From your original postings I had began to wonder if you wanted to add MVP to your somewhat impressive list of credentials, but being a so called Microsoft employee you've got no chance, but then you already know that, don't you.
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:ODIyic9JJHA.5232[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:eifK1s8JJHA.6004[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Question Vangellis. >> >> If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are >> under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not >> allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have >> been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked) >> >> As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 operating >> system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot >> see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP. >> >> An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door. > > > Yes, I certainly would be shown the door, that is of course if they could > trace the origin of this post lol. > I couldn't even trace it myself, and I posted it. > The name X-Pression is high on the list, along with a few others. And as > another poster pointed out, "Microsoft would build another OS based on > Vista" After this disaster I doubt it, They would steer as far away from > Vista as possible > Vangelis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >
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Mike, With all those Microsoft credentials I'm surprised he has time to bother posting in the newsgroups let alone get his facts completely wrong:-)
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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message news:OF3vs88JJHA.5232[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > "John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:eifK1s8JJHA.6004[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Question Vangellis. >> >> If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are >> under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not >> allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have >> been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked) >> >> As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 operating >> system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot >> see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP. >> >> An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door. >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org>> Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com>> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >> news:ObWw8Z8JJHA.1556[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>> news:eTWrsdzJJHA.3460[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>>> news:%23OssDsxJJHA.5704[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall[ at ]remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23DE2FkwJJHA.4936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uFCZuLwJJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "KCav" <KCav[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:68CABC50-EF8F-404E-9021-AD6B7A4EF23C[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>>>>>I have Vista Ultimate 32-but edition running on a notebook PC that >>>>>>>>has an >>>>>>>> Intel T7500 processor. I am running Office 2007. Do I need Vista >>>>>>>> 64-bit? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> KC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To be honest my friend, you need XP, forget vista, it's crap >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vangellis >>>>>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can't you get Vista to work for you? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP >>>>>> How to construct a good post.. >>>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I have both Premium and Ultimate running flawlessly on two >>>>> machines, but in my 15 years with Microsoft I find that the previous >>>>> operating system-XP, is far easier, much more user friendly and also >>>>> very tolerant of user errors, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about >>>>> Vista. As I have stated in an earlier post, Vista is Microsofts >>>>> biggest mistake ever. And at this very moment, Microsoft are working >>>>> on ANOTHER OS to replace Vista. >>>>> Vangellis >>>>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>>> >>>> >>>> Funnily enough, Microsoft started work on the next OS when XP was >>>> released, but then history always repeats itself.. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Hall - MVP >>>> How to construct a good post.. >>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog.. >>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I agree, But Vista is not being supported by the major software >>> companies because it is so bug ridden, this is also true for many of the >>> major printer/scanner companies as well, they are refusing to write >>> drivers for Vista, and with the sales of XP outselling Vista by 3-1, >>> vista will soon be history. But as for "started work on the next OS" >>> Microsoft have been developing the new OS since just 2 months after the >>> launch of Vista. They could see even then that vista was a huge mistake. >>> It is losing them millions. >>> The new OS is based more on XP, although obviously it has a new look to >>> it, with a much more secure framework, It will include IE-8 but they >>> have done away with windows mail and opted for Outlook Express v10. PLUS >>> it has the added benefit that ALL XP software and hardware will be FULLY >>> compatible. Vista shall not be with us for much longer I can assure you. >>> Microsoft are getting ready to offer all those who have purchased vista >>> and are able to send them the original disk along with the correct >>> activation code, a free upgrade. Looking at it's progress, I would think >>> it should be launched early next year. The name they are toying with at >>> the moment is Microsoft X-Pression, wether or not they will call it that >>> when it's finished remains to be seen. I have a copy of it running on >>> one of my PC's and to be honest it is quite good. It certainly leaves >>> vista standing in terms of speed and ease of use. Plus it looks great, >>> that I must admit. Myself, I am working on the networking side of it, it >>> has done away with all that crap that vista has, and the networking >>> interface/setup looks remarkably similar to windows98 lol. >>> regards >>> Vangellis >>> MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA >>> > > > Notwithstanding the fact that Microsoft has openly claimed that the new > one will be based around Vista, and not XP as claimed by Vangelis. He > seems to be better at predicting the future than he is at reading the > past.. > > > -- > Mike Hall - MVP > How to construct a good post.. > http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc> Mike's Window - My Blog.. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx> > > >
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:15:37 +0100, "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > >"John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message >news:eifK1s8JJHA.6004[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Question Vangellis. >> >> If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are >> under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not >> allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have >> been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked) >> >> As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 operating >> system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot >> see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP. >> >> An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door. > > >Yes, I certainly would be shown the door, that is of course if they could >trace the origin of this post lol. >I couldn't even trace it myself, and I posted it.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc1-stme2-0-0-cust309.cdif.cable.ntl.com 82.7.13.54
Your ISP is located in Cardiff, in the UK.
>The name X-Pression is high on the list, along with a few others. And as >another poster pointed out, "Microsoft would build another OS based on >Vista" After this disaster I doubt it, They would steer as far away from >Vista as possible >Vangelis >MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous[ at ]NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message news:etrke4dvhgdk1rbjldc51cpa79uao6teiq[ at ]4ax.com...
[Quoted Text] > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:15:37 +0100, "Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> > wrote: > >> >>"John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>news:eifK1s8JJHA.6004[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Question Vangellis. >>> >>> If you are working on Windows 7 then surely, as all MVPs are, you are >>> under a Non Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft therefore you are not >>> allowed to mention the features on public newsgroups. (unless they have >>> been made public knowledge by Microsoft, not leaked) >>> >>> As for Microsoft 'toying' with X-Pression for the new Windows 7 >>> operating >>> system that is 'exactly' what XP stood for Windows XPression. |I cannot >>> see them using a name that in anyway resembles XP. >>> >>> An MVP that broke the NDA would quickly be shown the door. >> >> >>Yes, I certainly would be shown the door, that is of course if they could >>trace the origin of this post lol. >>I couldn't even trace it myself, and I posted it. > > NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc1-stme2-0-0-cust309.cdif.cable.ntl.com > 82.7.13.54 > > Your ISP is located in Cardiff, in the UK. > > >>The name X-Pression is high on the list, along with a few others. And as >>another poster pointed out, "Microsoft would build another OS based on >>Vista" After this disaster I doubt it, They would steer as far away from >>Vista as possible >>Vangelis >>MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
> Your ISP is located in Cardiff, in the UK.
Is it really Rofl, your about 2000 miles out
Vangellis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:%23m7kK%239JJHA.3644[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Sorry Vangellis you have just lost your credibility. Microsoft is quite > capable of tracking your postings and locating your ISP source. Your > blatant disregard for the rules that Microsoft impose makes me wonder if > indeed you are even remotely connected with Microsoft. Why would they > still use the remnants of XP, why would they dump Windows Mail in favour > of Outlook Express they would be going backwards, not forwards. > > From your original postings I had began to wonder if you wanted to add MVP > to your somewhat impressive list of credentials, but being a so called > Microsoft employee you've got no chance, but then you already know that, > don't you.
I'm not in the slightest bothered about "credibility" although you seem to think a few letters after your signature mean the world, they don't. They mean nothing at all to the layman. And as far as Microsoft tracking my location, even the FBI could not trace my position. Do you honestly think I, or anybody else for that matter would post exclusive news about Microsoft on here if I thought for one moment I could be traced? And you call yourself an MVP. If you are indeed a MVP then you should know that by going through various proxy's and different servers using a hidden ISP address in stealth mode would make it impossible to trace, especially if you change your ISP address and use different proxies every few days like I do. Your talking a load of crap man, and YOU know it Vangellis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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My reference to credibility has nothing to do with the so called few letters after your name. (You're the one with the string of credentials after your name, not me). You gain credibility by posting honest, practical answers to other posters questions/queries. I have gained my credibility over 8 years as an MVP and am proud of my contribution to this and many other newsgroups.
I certainly don't have to hide behind a proxy server like you seem to prefer. As for posting 'exclusive' news about Microsoft, you haven't posted anything exclusive all you have done is told everyone that the new version of windows is more than likely to be called X-Pression (Strange that Microsoft should use a similar name to their current web/design software 'Expression')
I find it strange that, for someone who has worked for Microsoft for 15 years, you are quick to knock them and their current operating system. I haven't yet spoken to a Microsoft employee who has openly disparaged any operating system - yes they will say 'it has faults' but they wouldn't be recommending users to go back to older version of the windows product range; far from it, they would be asking 'what problems are you experiencing' and trying to work through to a solution.
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"Vangellis" <vangellis[ at ]airpost.net> wrote in message news:e3Rbvd$JJHA.2444[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > "John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:%23m7kK%239JJHA.3644[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Sorry Vangellis you have just lost your credibility. Microsoft is quite >> capable of tracking your postings and locating your ISP source. Your >> blatant disregard for the rules that Microsoft impose makes me wonder if >> indeed you are even remotely connected with Microsoft. Why would they >> still use the remnants of XP, why would they dump Windows Mail in favour >> of Outlook Express they would be going backwards, not forwards. >> >> From your original postings I had began to wonder if you wanted to add >> MVP to your somewhat impressive list of credentials, but being a so >> called Microsoft employee you've got no chance, but then you already know >> that, don't you. > > I'm not in the slightest bothered about "credibility" although you seem to > think a few letters after your signature mean the world, they don't. They > mean nothing at all to the layman. > And as far as Microsoft tracking my location, even the FBI could not trace > my position. Do you honestly think I, or anybody else for that matter > would post exclusive news about Microsoft on here if I thought for one > moment I could be traced? > And you call yourself an MVP. If you are indeed a MVP then you should know > that by going through various proxy's and different servers using a hidden > ISP address in stealth mode would make it impossible to trace, especially > if you change your ISP address and use different proxies every few days > like I do. > Your talking a load of crap man, and YOU know it > Vangellis > MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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"John Barnett MVP" <freelance[ at ]invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:OGSQAvwJJHA.1160[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > From what I understand the OP is quite satisfied with Vista Ultimate. His > question was simply should he change from 32 bit to 64 bit. That question > I have answered. Why would he even bother with XP? I can understand your > comments if he had stated that Vista wasn't working for him, but 'it is' > working for him. > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org> Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com> > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable > for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of > the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > I agree John, and I apologize. I'm afraid this topic has become totally out of hand, and turned rather colorful regards Vangellis MCP,MCTS,MCPD,MCIPT,MCA,MCSE,MCSD,MCDBA
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