Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/5/2008 8:05:45 PM Hi: Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of MFT files needing defrag. Thanks

Re: Defrag MFT Files Leonard Grey <l.grey[ at ]invalid.invalid> 12/5/2008 8:16:28 PM Windows defragmenter does not support defragging the MFT. Search the web using this search term: windows xp free defragmenter to find what you're looking for. FWIW: I defragment my hard disk once a year (I install some free trial - this year it was PerfectDisk.) The statistics always say my disk is in 'excellent' condition and I can't tell any difference in performance before and after. YMMV. --- Leonard Grey Packin' the 'K' ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hi: > > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag. > > Thanks > >

Re: Defrag MFT Files "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> 12/5/2008 8:43:07 PM How does this pertain to IE, Tom? ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "philo" <philo[ at ]privacy.net> 12/5/2008 9:19:19 PM "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:OJN1cTxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi: > > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag. > > Thanks > > Don't think any such utility (should it exist) would have any practical use. If you end up having a lot of fragmentation on your drive after running "defrag" it may be simply due to not having enough free space

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/5/2008 10:49:53 PM PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! Tom "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... How does this pertain to IE, Tom? ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Gordon" <gordonbparker[ at ]yahoo.com.invalid> 12/5/2008 10:58:33 PM "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:%23zUfAvyVJHA.4148[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate > what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! > Umm you've crossposted it to internet explorer general - whether consciously or unwittingly... -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s)

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> 12/5/2008 11:37:35 PM ColTom2 I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more informative. You posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general! Did you intend to post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general perhaps? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always > appreciate what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of > the best! > > Tom > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > How does this pertain to IE, Tom? > > ColTom2 wrote: >> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to >> defrag MFT files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to >> completion because of MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> 12/5/2008 11:38:11 PM What Gordon said, but thank you. ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate > what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! > > Tom > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > How does this pertain to IE, Tom? > > ColTom2 wrote: >> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag >> MFT >> files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because >> of >> MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/6/2008 1:20:25 AM Hi Gerry: Volume (C:) Volume size = 37.26 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 11.50 GB Free space = 25.76 GB Percent free space = 69 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 1 % File fragmentation = 2 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 48,902 Average file size = 338 KB Total fragmented files = 133 Total excess fragments = 746 Average fragments per file = 1.01 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 744 MB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 5,076 Fragmented folders = 10 Excess folder fragments = 22 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 57 MB MFT record count = 54,127 Percent MFT in use = 92 % Total MFT fragments = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 285 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar 69 12 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Application Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_11\Data1.cab 35 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\a923b.msi 16 1 KB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\ntuser.dat.LOG 14 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\p3vbsewx.default\XUL.mfl 13 29 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP136\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 13 196 KB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\change.log.1 13 29 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 12 6 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local Settings\Application Data\IconCache.db 11 30 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\Inbox.dbx 10 421 KB \Program Files\Secunia\PSI\psires.dll 10 2 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\A0009384.msi 9 3 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\deploy.jar 9 2 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Application Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_11\jre1.6.0_11.msi 8 32 KB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137 8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general.dbx 8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.dbx 7 2 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\plugin.jar 7 5 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_S-1-5-21-3111323197-2623549353-2904554276-500 7 29 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE 6 6 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\charsets.jar 6 1 MB \WINDOWS\WindowsUpdate.log 6 687 KB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\javaws.jar 6 544 KB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\jsse.jar 6 6 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA 6 4 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Avg8\Log\avgupd.log 5 20 KB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\zi\America 5 1 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\A0009387.mst 5 5 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP136\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_S-1-5-21-3111323197-2623549353-2904554276-500 "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message news:ucqSAKzVJHA.3912[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... ColTom2 I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more informative. You posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general! Did you intend to post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general perhaps? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always > appreciate what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of > the best! > > Tom > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > How does this pertain to IE, Tom? > > ColTom2 wrote: >> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to >> defrag MFT files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to >> completion because of MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/6/2008 1:25:28 AM PaBear I do apologize for my error in cross posting, as I had intended it to be General and not Internet Explorer. I should have known from your reply that I had screwed up. I sometimes think nowadays that I am getting to old for all this.... Tom "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23VDM7OzVJHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... What Gordon said, but thank you. ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate > what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! > > Tom > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > How does this pertain to IE, Tom? > > ColTom2 wrote: >> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag >> MFT >> files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because >> of >> MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> 12/6/2008 1:51:33 AM You be welcome over at the old folks table. -- Don Older than dirt. I remember when dirt appeared, they tried to convince us of Pledge, Gust and Swifters. Come ON! We need backhoes, dozers and earthmovers! "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:%23PDE8F0VJHA.4148[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > PaBear I do apologize for my error in cross posting, as I had intended it > to > be General and not Internet Explorer. I should have known from your reply > that I had screwed up. > > I sometimes think nowadays that I am getting to old for all this.... > > Tom > > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23VDM7OzVJHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > What Gordon said, but thank you. > > ColTom2 wrote: >> PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate >> what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! >> >> Tom >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> How does this pertain to IE, Tom? >> >> ColTom2 wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag >>> MFT >>> files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because >>> of >>> MFT files needing defrag. > >

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/6/2008 2:33:50 AM Apparently that is where I need to be.....I guess that 41 years in the USAF took a bigger toll than I realized when I retired in '92. Thanks for the invite.... "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message news:_PednWEz_-IxR6TUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d[ at ]posted.palinacquisition... You be welcome over at the old folks table. -- Don Older than dirt. I remember when dirt appeared, they tried to convince us of Pledge, Gust and Swifters. Come ON! We need backhoes, dozers and earthmovers! "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:%23PDE8F0VJHA.4148[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > PaBear I do apologize for my error in cross posting, as I had intended it > to > be General and not Internet Explorer. I should have known from your reply > that I had screwed up. > > I sometimes think nowadays that I am getting to old for all this.... > > Tom > > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23VDM7OzVJHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > What Gordon said, but thank you. > > ColTom2 wrote: >> PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate >> what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! >> >> Tom >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> How does this pertain to IE, Tom? >> >> ColTom2 wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag >>> MFT >>> files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because >>> of >>> MFT files needing defrag. > >

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Jim" <j.n[ at ]invalid.invalid> 12/6/2008 2:34:59 AM "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:%237QgHD0VJHA.2080[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi Gerry: > > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 37.26 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 11.50 GB > Free space = 25.76 GB > Percent free space = 69 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 1 % > File fragmentation = 2 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 48,902 > Average file size = 338 KB > Total fragmented files = 133 > Total excess fragments = 746 > Average fragments per file = 1.01 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 744 MB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 5,076 > Fragmented folders = 10 > Excess folder fragments = 22 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 57 MB > MFT record count = 54,127 > Percent MFT in use = 92 % > Total MFT fragments = 2 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Most fragmented files > 285 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar > 69 12 MB \Documents and > Settings\ColTom2\Application > Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_11\Data1.cab > 35 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\a923b.msi > 16 1 KB \Documents and > Settings\ColTom2\ntuser.dat.LOG > 14 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\p3vbsewx.default\XUL.mfl > 13 29 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP136\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 13 196 KB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\change.log.1 > 13 29 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 12 6 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application Data\IconCache.db > 11 30 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express\Inbox.dbx > 10 421 KB \Program Files\Secunia\PSI\psires.dll > 10 2 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\A0009384.msi > 9 3 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\deploy.jar > 9 2 MB \Documents and > Settings\ColTom2\Application > Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_11\jre1.6.0_11.msi > 8 32 KB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137 > 8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express\microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general.dbx > 8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express\microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.dbx > 7 2 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\plugin.jar > 7 5 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_S-1-5-21-3111323197-2623549353-2904554276-500 > 7 29 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 6 6 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\charsets.jar > 6 1 MB \WINDOWS\WindowsUpdate.log > 6 687 KB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\javaws.jar > 6 544 KB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\jsse.jar > 6 6 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA > 6 4 MB \Documents and Settings\All > Users\Application Data\Avg8\Log\avgupd.log > 5 20 KB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\zi\America > 5 1 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\A0009387.mst > 5 5 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP136\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_S-1-5-21-3111323197-2623549353-2904554276-500 > > > "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:ucqSAKzVJHA.3912[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > ColTom2 > > I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open Disk > Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save > As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a > copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more > informative. > > You posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general! Did you intend > to post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general perhaps? > > -- > > > > Hope this helps. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ColTom2 wrote: >> PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always >> appreciate what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of >> the best! >> >> Tom >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> How does this pertain to IE, Tom? >> >> ColTom2 wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to >>> defrag MFT files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to >>> completion because of MFT files needing defrag. > > > Your problem is why defrag quits working when it gets to the MFT. The MFT on this disk does not need defragmentation. Jim

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> 12/6/2008 11:13:13 AM Airplanes be your thing..... I was six when Amelia Earhart was looking for an island to land on. I was part of the Ma Bell family; retired in '87. Take care, -- Don Vancouver, USA "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:udY2Is0VJHA.200[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Apparently that is where I need to be.....I guess that 41 years in the > USAF > took a bigger toll than I realized when I retired in '92. > > Thanks for the invite.... > > > > "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message > news:_PednWEz_-IxR6TUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d[ at ]posted.palinacquisition... > You be welcome over at the old folks table. > > > -- > Don > Older than dirt. I remember when dirt appeared, they tried > to convince us of Pledge, Gust and Swifters. > Come ON! We need backhoes, dozers and earthmovers! > > > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message > news:%23PDE8F0VJHA.4148[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> PaBear I do apologize for my error in cross posting, as I had intended it >> to >> be General and not Internet Explorer. I should have known from your reply >> that I had screwed up. >> >> I sometimes think nowadays that I am getting to old for all this.... >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:%23VDM7OzVJHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> What Gordon said, but thank you. >> >> ColTom2 wrote: >>> PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate >>> what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> How does this pertain to IE, Tom? >>> >>> ColTom2 wrote: >>>> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag >>>> MFT >>>> files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because >>>> of >>>> MFT files needing defrag. >> >> > > >

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/6/2008 1:35:43 PM You do the same... your up early this morning. We all need Ma Bell back, as look at the mess we're in! Tom "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message news:JfKdnXj16OLXw6fUnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d[ at ]posted.palinacquisition... Airplanes be your thing..... I was six when Amelia Earhart was looking for an island to land on. I was part of the Ma Bell family; retired in '87. Take care, -- Don Vancouver, USA "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:udY2Is0VJHA.200[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Apparently that is where I need to be.....I guess that 41 years in the > USAF > took a bigger toll than I realized when I retired in '92. > > Thanks for the invite.... > > > > "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer[ at ]PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message > news:_PednWEz_-IxR6TUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d[ at ]posted.palinacquisition... > You be welcome over at the old folks table. > > > -- > Don > Older than dirt. I remember when dirt appeared, they tried > to convince us of Pledge, Gust and Swifters. > Come ON! We need backhoes, dozers and earthmovers! > > > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message > news:%23PDE8F0VJHA.4148[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> PaBear I do apologize for my error in cross posting, as I had intended it >> to >> be General and not Internet Explorer. I should have known from your reply >> that I had screwed up. >> >> I sometimes think nowadays that I am getting to old for all this.... >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:%23VDM7OzVJHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> What Gordon said, but thank you. >> >> ColTom2 wrote: >>> PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always appreciate >>> what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of the best! >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> How does this pertain to IE, Tom? >>> >>> ColTom2 wrote: >>>> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag >>>> MFT >>>> files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because >>>> of >>>> MFT files needing defrag. >> >> > > >

Re: Defrag MFT Files "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> 12/6/2008 3:20:20 PM [Crosspost to IE General eliminated] How NTFS reserves space for its Master File Table (MFT) <QP> Because utilities that defragment NTFS volumes cannot move MFT entries, and because excessive fragmentation of the MFT can impact performance, NTFS reserves space for the MFT in an effort to keep the MFT as contiguous as possible as it grows. In Windows XP and in Windows Server 2003, the defrag utility defrags the MFT. A defrag operation on the MFT combines an MFT file into 1 and prevents it from being stored in multiple places that are not sequential on disk. In this class of operation, the MFT file is more sequential. However, it is exactly the size that the MFT file was before the defrag operation. An MFT can be too big if a volume used to have lots of files that were deleted. The files that were deleted cause internal holes in the MFT. These holes are significant regions that are unused by files. It is impossible to reclaim this space. This is at least true on a live NTFS volume. ....Because of the importance of the MFT to NTFS and the possible impact on performance if this file becomes highly fragmented, NTFS makes a special effort to keep this file contiguous. NTFS reserves 12.5 percent of the volume for exclusive use of the MFT until and unless the remainder of the volume is completely used up. Thus, space for files and directories is not allocated from this MFT zone until all other space is allocated first. </QP> Source & much more: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619 -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> 12/6/2008 5:39:27 PM ColTom2 You really need not worry about the MFT. It is perfectly normal for it to be in 2 or 3 fragments. I do not know this but my feeling is that the last operation when you run Disk Defragmenter is that it writes the changes to the MFT file. After running Disk Defragmenter are there any files listed in the Most Fragmented Files List? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hi Gerry: > > Volume (C:) > Volume size = 37.26 GB > Cluster size = 4 KB > Used space = 11.50 GB > Free space = 25.76 GB > Percent free space = 69 % > > Volume fragmentation > Total fragmentation = 1 % > File fragmentation = 2 % > Free space fragmentation = 0 % > > File fragmentation > Total files = 48,902 > Average file size = 338 KB > Total fragmented files = 133 > Total excess fragments = 746 > Average fragments per file = 1.01 > > Pagefile fragmentation > Pagefile size = 744 MB > Total fragments = 1 > > Folder fragmentation > Total folders = 5,076 > Fragmented folders = 10 > Excess folder fragments = 22 > > Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation > Total MFT size = 57 MB > MFT record count = 54,127 > Percent MFT in use = 92 % > Total MFT fragments = 2 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fragments File Size Most fragmented files > 285 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar > 69 12 MB \Documents and > Settings\ColTom2\Application Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_11\Data1.cab > 35 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\a923b.msi > 16 1 KB \Documents and > Settings\ColTom2\ntuser.dat.LOG > 14 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\p3vbsewx.default\XUL.mfl 13 > 29 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP136\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 13 196 KB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\change.log.1 > 13 29 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 12 6 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application Data\IconCache.db 11 30 MB > \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express\Inbox.dbx > 10 421 KB \Program Files\Secunia\PSI\psires.dll > 10 2 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\A0009384.msi > 9 3 MB \Program > Files\Java\jre6\lib\deploy.jar 9 2 MB > \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Application > Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_11\jre1.6.0_11.msi 8 32 KB > \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137 8 > 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express\microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general.dbx 8 > 1 MB \Documents and Settings\ColTom2\Local > Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{0A364762-1D25-4C9A-94F4-DE11A9EC54C4}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express\microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.dbx 7 2 MB > \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\plugin.jar 7 5 MB > \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_S-1-5-21-3111323197-2623549353-2904554276-500 > 7 29 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE > 6 6 MB \Program > Files\Java\jre6\lib\charsets.jar 6 1 MB > \WINDOWS\WindowsUpdate.log 6 687 KB \Program > Files\Java\jre6\lib\javaws.jar 6 544 KB > \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\jsse.jar 6 6 MB > \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP137\snapshot\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA > 6 4 MB \Documents and Settings\All > Users\Application Data\Avg8\Log\avgupd.log 5 20 KB > \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\zi\America 5 1 MB > \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP138\A0009387.mst > 5 5 MB \System Volume > Information\_restore{C1CCD08C-8F31-41E2-AD90-3EC48D37B729}\RP136\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_S-1-5-21-3111323197-2623549353-2904554276-500 > > > "Gerry" <gerry[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:ucqSAKzVJHA.3912[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > ColTom2 > > I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open > Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click > on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder > and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is > more > informative. > > You posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general! Did you > intend > to post to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general perhaps? > > > ColTom2 wrote: >> PaBear this is Basics and General Forum.... however, I always >> appreciate what you have done for me and so many others. Your one of >> the best! >> >> Tom >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:uqM6ptxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> How does this pertain to IE, Tom? >> >> ColTom2 wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to >>> defrag MFT files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to >>> completion because of MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/7/2008 9:08:23 PM Thanks PaBear.... "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23nfhQc7VJHA.6116[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Crosspost to IE General eliminated] How NTFS reserves space for its Master File Table (MFT) <QP> Because utilities that defragment NTFS volumes cannot move MFT entries, and because excessive fragmentation of the MFT can impact performance, NTFS reserves space for the MFT in an effort to keep the MFT as contiguous as possible as it grows. In Windows XP and in Windows Server 2003, the defrag utility defrags the MFT. A defrag operation on the MFT combines an MFT file into 1 and prevents it from being stored in multiple places that are not sequential on disk. In this class of operation, the MFT file is more sequential. However, it is exactly the size that the MFT file was before the defrag operation. An MFT can be too big if a volume used to have lots of files that were deleted. The files that were deleted cause internal holes in the MFT. These holes are significant regions that are unused by files. It is impossible to reclaim this space. This is at least true on a live NTFS volume. ....Because of the importance of the MFT to NTFS and the possible impact on performance if this file becomes highly fragmented, NTFS makes a special effort to keep this file contiguous. NTFS reserves 12.5 percent of the volume for exclusive use of the MFT until and unless the remainder of the volume is completely used up. Thus, space for files and directories is not allocated from this MFT zone until all other space is allocated first. </QP> Source & much more: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619 -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ ColTom2 wrote: [Quoted Text] > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag.

Re: Defrag MFT Files "Olórin" <incanus[ at ]erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> 12/8/2008 11:02:32 AM "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:OJN1cTxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi: > > Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT > files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of > MFT files needing defrag. > > Thanks > [Removed cross-post to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general] If after these discussions you decide that you do still want to defrag your MFT - - - not freeware, but PerfectDisk 2008 from Raxco will do this, and there's a free evaluation: http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/perfectdisk_download.cfm. Ditto O&O's defragmenter - http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/download/index.html. Other folk think the trial versions don't offer MFT defragmenting - more discussions at http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/System_Utilities/Partition_Tools/Q_22585000.html (scroll right down, past the blurb to the bottom third of the page).

Re: Defrag MFT Files "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> 12/9/2008 11:13:25 PM Hi: I tried most all of the top listed defrag applications (Perfect Disk, Diskeeper, O&O Defrag, etc) within the past few days and in my opinion Perfect Disk 2008 is to best of the group. It is extremely user friendly. Provides more options. Provides more detail information related to Defrag's. Defrags both Meta and MFT files easily. And without a doubt does a more complete defrag than any of the other applications. I liked it so much that I purchased it. Thanks again for all the inputs! ColTom2 "ColTom2" <noemailaddress[ at ]nomail.com> wrote in message news:OJN1cTxVJHA.4876[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... Hi: Does anyone know of a freeware application or any other way to defrag MFT files? Current Windows Defrag does not go through to completion because of MFT files needing defrag. Thanks