Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/6/2008 3:56:13 PM This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several TB of files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it doesn't move them. So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go into the old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the files you are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like to permanently delete them?" I click "Yes to all." The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up on the drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space remains unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running checkdisk on the drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a straight-up Server 2003 install. Thanks in advance!

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/6/2008 6:25:48 PM "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several TB of > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it doesn't > move > them. > > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go into > the > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the files > you > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like to > permanently delete them?" > I click "Yes to all." > > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up on the > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space remains > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running checkdisk on > the > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. > > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a straight-up > Server 2003 install. > > Thanks in advance! What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command Prompt?

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/8/2008 1:25:02 PM Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then last-minute trip out of town. Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files appear to be gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now I've deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. Thanks again for your thoughts! "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several TB of > > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it doesn't > > move > > them. > > > > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go into > > the > > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the files > > you > > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like to > > permanently delete them?" > > I click "Yes to all." > > > > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up on the > > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space remains > > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running checkdisk on > > the > > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. > > > > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a straight-up > > Server 2003 install. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command > Prompt? > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/8/2008 4:19:07 PM This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie detector by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: [ at ]echo off set size=100000000 if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt echo. echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% echo. >> c:\test.txt echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt del c:\big.bin echo. >> c:\test.txt echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt echo Pausing for a minute . . . ping localhost -n 60 > nul echo. >> c:\test.txt echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt notepad c:\test.txt The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while monitoring the amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you see at the end. "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > last-minute > trip out of town. > > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files appear to > be > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now I've > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. > > Thanks again for your thoughts! > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several TB >> > of >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it doesn't >> > move >> > them. >> > >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go >> > into >> > the >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the files >> > you >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like to >> > permanently delete them?" >> > I click "Yes to all." >> > >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up on >> > the >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space >> > remains >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running checkdisk >> > on >> > the >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. >> > >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a straight-up >> > Server 2003 install. >> > >> > Thanks in advance! >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command >> Prompt? >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/8/2008 5:37:02 PM Well that seems to have run okay. -------------------------------- Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 Before creating the big test file Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 After creating the big test file Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 After deleting the big test file Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 One minute later . . . Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 -------------------------------- So why would that work and clear up space when del f:\1\*.* (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie detector > by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > [ at ]echo off > set size=100000000 > if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > > echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > echo. > echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > echo. >> c:\test.txt > echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > del c:\big.bin > echo. >> c:\test.txt > echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > echo Pausing for a minute . . . > ping localhost -n 60 > nul > echo. >> c:\test.txt > echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > notepad c:\test.txt > > The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while monitoring the > amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you see > at the end. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > > last-minute > > trip out of town. > > > > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files appear to > > be > > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now I've > > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts! > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several TB > >> > of > >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it doesn't > >> > move > >> > them. > >> > > >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go > >> > into > >> > the > >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the files > >> > you > >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like to > >> > permanently delete them?" > >> > I click "Yes to all." > >> > > >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up on > >> > the > >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space > >> > remains > >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running checkdisk > >> > on > >> > the > >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. > >> > > >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a straight-up > >> > Server 2003 install. > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance! > >> > >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command > >> Prompt? > >> > >> > >> > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/8/2008 7:05:51 PM The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased when you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same file. Conclusions: - File deletion does work as expected. - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files then you're deleting something other than that file. I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Well that seems to have run okay. > -------------------------------- > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > Before creating the big test file > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > After creating the big test file > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > > After deleting the big test file > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > One minute later . . . > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > -------------------------------- > > So why would that work and clear up space when > del f:\1\*.* > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > > Jim > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie >> detector >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: >> [ at ]echo off >> set size=100000000 >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt >> echo. >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> del c:\big.bin >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> notepad c:\test.txt >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while monitoring >> the >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you >> see >> at the end. >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then >> > last-minute >> > trip out of town. >> > >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files appear >> > to >> > be >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now >> > I've >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. >> > >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! >> > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several >> >> > TB >> >> > of >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it >> >> > doesn't >> >> > move >> >> > them. >> >> > >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go >> >> > into >> >> > the >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the >> >> > files >> >> > you >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like >> >> > to >> >> > permanently delete them?" >> >> > I click "Yes to all." >> >> > >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up >> >> > on >> >> > the >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space >> >> > remains >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running >> >> > checkdisk >> >> > on >> >> > the >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. >> >> > >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a >> >> > straight-up >> >> > Server 2003 install. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command >> >> Prompt? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/8/2008 8:56:09 PM I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what confuses me: Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files for 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it says "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the folder for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into the command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the free space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have read that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I haven't seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about deleting the files? (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a shortcut.) Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased when > you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same file. > Conclusions: > - File deletion does work as expected. > - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > then you're deleting something other than that file. > > I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Well that seems to have run okay. > > -------------------------------- > > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > > Before creating the big test file > > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > > > After creating the big test file > > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > > > > After deleting the big test file > > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > > > One minute later . . . > > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > -------------------------------- > > > > So why would that work and clear up space when > > del f:\1\*.* > > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > > > > Jim > > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie > >> detector > >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > >> [ at ]echo off > >> set size=100000000 > >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > >> > >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> echo. > >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> del c:\big.bin > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> > >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while monitoring > >> the > >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you > >> see > >> at the end. > >> > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > >> > last-minute > >> > trip out of town. > >> > > >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files appear > >> > to > >> > be > >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now > >> > I've > >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. > >> > > >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! > >> > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several > >> >> > TB > >> >> > of > >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it > >> >> > doesn't > >> >> > move > >> >> > them. > >> >> > > >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go > >> >> > into > >> >> > the > >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the > >> >> > files > >> >> > you > >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like > >> >> > to > >> >> > permanently delete them?" > >> >> > I click "Yes to all." > >> >> > > >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up > >> >> > on > >> >> > the > >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space > >> >> > remains > >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running > >> >> > checkdisk > >> >> > on > >> >> > the > >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. > >> >> > > >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a > >> >> > straight-up > >> >> > Server 2003 install. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks in advance! > >> >> > >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command > >> >> Prompt? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/8/2008 9:37:01 PM Additionally, I can select, say, "50MB" worth of files and delete them and the free bytes don't change a bit. If they were links I'd expect the free space to increase *a little*, right? This is confusing to me. Does it maybe have something to do with the RAID5 trying to keep data around? "JaimeZX" wrote: [Quoted Text] > I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what confuses me: > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files for > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it says > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the folder > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into the > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the free > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have read > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I haven't > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about > deleting the files? > > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a shortcut.) > > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > > Jim > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased when > > you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same file. > > Conclusions: > > - File deletion does work as expected. > > - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > > then you're deleting something other than that file. > > > > I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. > > > > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > > > Well that seems to have run okay. > > > -------------------------------- > > > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > > > Before creating the big test file > > > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > > > > > After creating the big test file > > > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > > > > > > After deleting the big test file > > > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > > > > > One minute later . . . > > > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > So why would that work and clear up space when > > > del f:\1\*.* > > > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > > > >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie > > >> detector > > >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > > >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > > >> [ at ]echo off > > >> set size=100000000 > > >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > > >> > > >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > > >> echo. > > >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > >> > > >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > > >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > >> > > >> del c:\big.bin > > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > > >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > >> > > >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > > >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > > >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > > >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > > >> notepad c:\test.txt > > >> > > >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while monitoring > > >> the > > >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you > > >> see > > >> at the end. > > >> > > >> > > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > > >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > > >> > last-minute > > >> > trip out of town. > > >> > > > >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files appear > > >> > to > > >> > be > > >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now > > >> > I've > > >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! > > >> > > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > > >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing several > > >> >> > TB > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it > > >> >> > doesn't > > >> >> > move > > >> >> > them. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I go > > >> >> > into > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the > > >> >> > files > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you like > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > permanently delete them?" > > >> >> > I click "Yes to all." > > >> >> > > > >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed up > > >> >> > on > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space > > >> >> > remains > > >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running > > >> >> > checkdisk > > >> >> > on > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be helpful. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a > > >> >> > straight-up > > >> >> > Server 2003 install. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Thanks in advance! > > >> >> > > >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the Command > > >> >> Prompt? > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/8/2008 9:43:02 PM The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. On the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with ***your*** files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: [ at ]echo off set Active=no set Drive=F: set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt echo. echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt if /i %Active%==yes ( del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 ) else ( echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" ) echo. >> c:\test.txt echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt notepad c:\test.txt Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double quotes to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now run the batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" command used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, modify Line 2 like so: set Active=yes Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run the batch file and examine the evidence. "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what confuses >me: > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files for > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it says > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the > folder > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into > the > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the free > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have > read > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I > haven't > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about > deleting the files? > > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a > shortcut.) > > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > > Jim > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased >> when >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same >> file. >> Conclusions: >> - File deletion does work as expected. >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files >> then you're deleting something other than that file. >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Well that seems to have run okay. >> > -------------------------------- >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 >> > Before creating the big test file >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> > >> > After creating the big test file >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 >> > >> > After deleting the big test file >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> > >> > One minute later . . . >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> > -------------------------------- >> > >> > So why would that work and clear up space when >> > del f:\1\*.* >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> > >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie >> >> detector >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: >> >> [ at ]echo off >> >> set size=100000000 >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin >> >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt >> >> echo. >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> del c:\big.bin >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> notepad c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while >> >> monitoring >> >> the >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you >> >> see >> >> at the end. >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then >> >> > last-minute >> >> > trip out of town. >> >> > >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files >> >> > appear >> >> > to >> >> > be >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now >> >> > I've >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! >> >> > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing >> >> >> > several >> >> >> > TB >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it >> >> >> > doesn't >> >> >> > move >> >> >> > them. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I >> >> >> > go >> >> >> > into >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the >> >> >> > files >> >> >> > you >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you >> >> >> > like >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed >> >> >> > up >> >> >> > on >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space >> >> >> > remains >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running >> >> >> > checkdisk >> >> >> > on >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be >> >> >> > helpful. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a >> >> >> > straight-up >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the >> >> >> Command >> >> >> Prompt? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/8/2008 10:15:01 PM Prepare for further baffling: ------------------------------------------------- Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" Volume in drive F is GPLDisk Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 (snip) 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" Volume in drive F is GPLDisk Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. 0 File(s) 0 bytes 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 -------------------------------------------------------------- How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have 28,356,564,798 free bytes. :p Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to > create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. On > the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems > necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with ***your*** > files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: > > [ at ]echo off > set Active=no > set Drive=F: > set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name > > echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > echo. > echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > > if /i %Active%==yes ( > del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 > ) else ( > echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" > ) > echo. >> c:\test.txt > echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > > notepad c:\test.txt > > Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double quotes > to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now run the > batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" command > used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, modify > Line 2 like so: > set Active=yes > Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run the > batch file and examine the evidence. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... > >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what confuses > >me: > > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files for > > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it says > > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the > > folder > > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > > > > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into > > the > > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the free > > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have > > read > > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I > > haven't > > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about > > deleting the files? > > > > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a > > shortcut.) > > > > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > > > > Jim > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased > >> when > >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same > >> file. > >> Conclusions: > >> - File deletion does work as expected. > >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > >> then you're deleting something other than that file. > >> > >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. > >> > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > Well that seems to have run okay. > >> > -------------------------------- > >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > >> > Before creating the big test file > >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> > > >> > After creating the big test file > >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > >> > > >> > After deleting the big test file > >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> > > >> > One minute later . . . > >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> > -------------------------------- > >> > > >> > So why would that work and clear up space when > >> > del f:\1\*.* > >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie > >> >> detector > >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > >> >> [ at ]echo off > >> >> set size=100000000 > >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > >> >> > >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> >> echo. > >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> del c:\big.bin > >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while > >> >> monitoring > >> >> the > >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen you > >> >> see > >> >> at the end. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > >> >> > last-minute > >> >> > trip out of town. > >> >> > > >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files > >> >> > appear > >> >> > to > >> >> > be > >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. Now > >> >> > I've > >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is bizarre. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! > >> >> > > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing > >> >> >> > several > >> >> >> > TB > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, it > >> >> >> > doesn't > >> >> >> > move > >> >> >> > them. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, I > >> >> >> > go > >> >> >> > into > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me "the > >> >> >> > files > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would you > >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" > >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is freed > >> >> >> > up > >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free space > >> >> >> > remains > >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running > >> >> >> > checkdisk > >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be > >> >> >> > helpful. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a > >> >> >> > straight-up > >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the > >> >> >> Command > >> >> >> Prompt? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/8/2008 10:53:44 PM All of this can be explained if the two following conditions are met: - Drive F: is an NTFS volume with file compression enabled. - Your files are highly compressible. You can test their compressibility by zipping up one of them and comparing its uncompressed with its zipped-up size. You could confirm my suspicion by running this command: dir f:\ /s | find /i "bytes" It will probably show a final figure that exceeds your partition capacity. "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:37F7A4B9-4198-46D8-ACEC-F317A6E5FE6D[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Prepare for further baffling: > ------------------------------------------------- > > Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 > Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 > (snip) > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 > 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes > 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free > Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 > > After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. > 0 File(s) 0 bytes > 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free > Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have > 28,356,564,798 free bytes. > > :p > > Jim > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to >> create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. On >> the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems >> necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with ***your*** >> files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: >> >> [ at ]echo off >> set Active=no >> set Drive=F: >> set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt >> echo. >> echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt >> >> if /i %Active%==yes ( >> del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 >> ) else ( >> echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" >> ) >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt >> >> notepad c:\test.txt >> >> Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double >> quotes >> to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now run >> the >> batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" command >> used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, >> modify >> Line 2 like so: >> set Active=yes >> Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run the >> batch file and examine the evidence. >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what >> >confuses >> >me: >> > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files >> > for >> > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it >> > says >> > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the >> > folder >> > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." >> > >> > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into >> > the >> > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the >> > free >> > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have >> > read >> > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I >> > haven't >> > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about >> > deleting the files? >> > >> > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a >> > shortcut.) >> > >> > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> > >> >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased >> >> when >> >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same >> >> file. >> >> Conclusions: >> >> - File deletion does work as expected. >> >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files >> >> then you're deleting something other than that file. >> >> >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> > Well that seems to have run okay. >> >> > -------------------------------- >> >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 >> >> > Before creating the big test file >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> > >> >> > After creating the big test file >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 >> >> > >> >> > After deleting the big test file >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> > >> >> > One minute later . . . >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> > -------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > So why would that work and clear up space when >> >> > del f:\1\*.* >> >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? >> >> > >> >> > Jim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie >> >> >> detector >> >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into >> >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: >> >> >> [ at ]echo off >> >> >> set size=100000000 >> >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin >> >> >> >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt >> >> >> echo. >> >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> del c:\big.bin >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . >> >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while >> >> >> monitoring >> >> >> the >> >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen >> >> >> you >> >> >> see >> >> >> at the end. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then >> >> >> > last-minute >> >> >> > trip out of town. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files >> >> >> > appear >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > be >> >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. >> >> >> > Now >> >> >> > I've >> >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is >> >> >> > bizarre. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing >> >> >> >> > several >> >> >> >> > TB >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, >> >> >> >> > it >> >> >> >> > doesn't >> >> >> >> > move >> >> >> >> > them. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> > go >> >> >> >> > into >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me >> >> >> >> > "the >> >> >> >> > files >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> > like >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" >> >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is >> >> >> >> > freed >> >> >> >> > up >> >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free >> >> >> >> > space >> >> >> >> > remains >> >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running >> >> >> >> > checkdisk >> >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be >> >> >> >> > helpful. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a >> >> >> >> > straight-up >> >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the >> >> >> >> Command >> >> >> >> Prompt? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/8/2008 11:54:01 PM That's a clever answer! But file compression is not enabled. (At least those directories aren't blue.) Also, without going into too much detail, I believe those .I42 files are some sort of bitmap. Definately not text. Also, even if that was the case, if I had 1TB free before I began the move-via-copy-and-delete operation and now only 1GB free before I started the "delete" portion, why wouldn't I be getting my TB back, regardless of compression? BLARGH this is bugging me. I really appreciate the time you're spending on this! Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > All of this can be explained if the two following conditions are met: > - Drive F: is an NTFS volume with file compression enabled. > - Your files are highly compressible. > > You can test their compressibility by zipping up one of them and comparing > its uncompressed with its zipped-up size. > > You could confirm my suspicion by running this command: > dir f:\ /s | find /i "bytes" > It will probably show a final figure that exceeds your partition capacity. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:37F7A4B9-4198-46D8-ACEC-F317A6E5FE6D[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Prepare for further baffling: > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 > > Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 > > (snip) > > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 > > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 > > 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes > > 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free > > Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 > > > > After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes > > 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free > > Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have > > 28,356,564,798 free bytes. > > > > :p > > > > Jim > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to > >> create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. On > >> the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems > >> necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with ***your*** > >> files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: > >> > >> [ at ]echo off > >> set Active=no > >> set Drive=F: > >> set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name > >> > >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> echo. > >> echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> if /i %Active%==yes ( > >> del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 > >> ) else ( > >> echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" > >> ) > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> > >> Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double > >> quotes > >> to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now run > >> the > >> batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" command > >> used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, > >> modify > >> Line 2 like so: > >> set Active=yes > >> Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run the > >> batch file and examine the evidence. > >> > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what > >> >confuses > >> >me: > >> > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files > >> > for > >> > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it > >> > says > >> > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the > >> > folder > >> > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > >> > > >> > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into > >> > the > >> > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the > >> > free > >> > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have > >> > read > >> > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I > >> > haven't > >> > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about > >> > deleting the files? > >> > > >> > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a > >> > shortcut.) > >> > > >> > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased > >> >> when > >> >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same > >> >> file. > >> >> Conclusions: > >> >> - File deletion does work as expected. > >> >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > >> >> then you're deleting something other than that file. > >> >> > >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> > Well that seems to have run okay. > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > >> >> > Before creating the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > > >> >> > After creating the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> > > >> >> > After deleting the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > > >> >> > One minute later . . . > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > So why would that work and clear up space when > >> >> > del f:\1\*.* > >> >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > >> >> > > >> >> > Jim > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie > >> >> >> detector > >> >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > >> >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > >> >> >> [ at ]echo off > >> >> >> set size=100000000 > >> >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> > >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo. > >> >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > >> >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while > >> >> >> monitoring > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> see > >> >> >> at the end. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > >> >> >> > last-minute > >> >> >> > trip out of town. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files > >> >> >> > appear > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. > >> >> >> > Now > >> >> >> > I've > >> >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is > >> >> >> > bizarre. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing > >> >> >> >> > several > >> >> >> >> > TB > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, > >> >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> >> > doesn't > >> >> >> >> > move > >> >> >> >> > them. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, > >> >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> > go > >> >> >> >> > into > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me > >> >> >> >> > "the > >> >> >> >> > files > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" > >> >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is > >> >> >> >> > freed > >> >> >> >> > up > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free > >> >> >> >> > space > >> >> >> >> > remains > >> >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running > >> >> >> >> > checkdisk > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be > >> >> >> >> > helpful. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a > >> >> >> >> > straight-up > >> >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the > >> >> >> >> Command > >> >> >> >> Prompt? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Andrew Morton" <akm[ at ]in-press.co.uk.invalid> 10/9/2008 2:04:27 PM You could try the freeware version of SpaceMonger to see if something becomes obvious: http://www.werkema.com/software/index.php Andrew

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/9/2008 2:05:01 PM The "Disk Cleanup Wizard" decided it could free up 1GB by compressing old files. That was it. No help there. Somebody else suggested I use "filemon" to see what's going on so I have that and I'm going to experiment with that shortly. "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > All of this can be explained if the two following conditions are met: > - Drive F: is an NTFS volume with file compression enabled. > - Your files are highly compressible. > > You can test their compressibility by zipping up one of them and comparing > its uncompressed with its zipped-up size. > > You could confirm my suspicion by running this command: > dir f:\ /s | find /i "bytes" > It will probably show a final figure that exceeds your partition capacity. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:37F7A4B9-4198-46D8-ACEC-F317A6E5FE6D[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Prepare for further baffling: > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 > > Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 > > (snip) > > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 > > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 > > 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes > > 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free > > Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 > > > > After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes > > 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free > > Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have > > 28,356,564,798 free bytes. > > > > :p > > > > Jim > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to > >> create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. On > >> the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems > >> necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with ***your*** > >> files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: > >> > >> [ at ]echo off > >> set Active=no > >> set Drive=F: > >> set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name > >> > >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> echo. > >> echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> if /i %Active%==yes ( > >> del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 > >> ) else ( > >> echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" > >> ) > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> > >> Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double > >> quotes > >> to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now run > >> the > >> batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" command > >> used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, > >> modify > >> Line 2 like so: > >> set Active=yes > >> Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run the > >> batch file and examine the evidence. > >> > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what > >> >confuses > >> >me: > >> > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files > >> > for > >> > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it > >> > says > >> > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the > >> > folder > >> > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > >> > > >> > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into > >> > the > >> > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the > >> > free > >> > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have > >> > read > >> > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I > >> > haven't > >> > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about > >> > deleting the files? > >> > > >> > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a > >> > shortcut.) > >> > > >> > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased > >> >> when > >> >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same > >> >> file. > >> >> Conclusions: > >> >> - File deletion does work as expected. > >> >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > >> >> then you're deleting something other than that file. > >> >> > >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> > Well that seems to have run okay. > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > >> >> > Before creating the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > > >> >> > After creating the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> > > >> >> > After deleting the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > > >> >> > One minute later . . . > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > So why would that work and clear up space when > >> >> > del f:\1\*.* > >> >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > >> >> > > >> >> > Jim > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie > >> >> >> detector > >> >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > >> >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > >> >> >> [ at ]echo off > >> >> >> set size=100000000 > >> >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> > >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo. > >> >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > >> >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while > >> >> >> monitoring > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> see > >> >> >> at the end. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > >> >> >> > last-minute > >> >> >> > trip out of town. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files > >> >> >> > appear > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. > >> >> >> > Now > >> >> >> > I've > >> >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is > >> >> >> > bizarre. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing > >> >> >> >> > several > >> >> >> >> > TB > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, > >> >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> >> > doesn't > >> >> >> >> > move > >> >> >> >> > them. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, > >> >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> > go > >> >> >> >> > into > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me > >> >> >> >> > "the > >> >> >> >> > files > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" > >> >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is > >> >> >> >> > freed > >> >> >> >> > up > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free > >> >> >> >> > space > >> >> >> >> > remains > >> >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running > >> >> >> >> > checkdisk > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be > >> >> >> >> > helpful. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a > >> >> >> >> > straight-up > >> >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the > >> >> >> >> Command > >> >> >> >> Prompt? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/9/2008 4:08:00 PM I have a new working theory, please tell me if this makes sense? * When I began this project, the 4.77TB drive was only about half full and several directories were compressed. I wanted to speed things up so I unchecked "Compress files in this folder" and let it work for a while. I didn't notice much change in the free space and that made sense to me because as I mentioned before, most of these files aren't particularly compressible to start with. When I copied the files from one place to another, it may have decompressed them, such that while file 01CYEE2B.I42 was 284kb in /1/ and /2/, in fact in /1/ it was semi-compressed and in /2/ it was not, so the files in /2/ took up more space on the drive. What I still don't get is why as I delete hundreds of GB out of /1/, the free space doesn't increase much at all? Is it "expanding" previously compressed files to fill up the available room? If so, why doesn't it take up the last available (now) 1.10GB? When I look at TreeSize, it tells me I have nearly 7TB of file data on the drive, even though it's only a 4.77TB drive. Several folders that I have previously un-checked "compress files in this folder" do not show up "blue" in Explorer but show up "blue" in TreeSize, and indeed if I right-click -> properties them, they appear to be still compressed by about 1/3. So is my problem that although I'm deleting hundreds of GB, the remaining 2.5TB "overage" is decompressing to fill up the space? Thanks again, this is very interesting but frustrating at the same time. Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > All of this can be explained if the two following conditions are met: > - Drive F: is an NTFS volume with file compression enabled. > - Your files are highly compressible. > > You can test their compressibility by zipping up one of them and comparing > its uncompressed with its zipped-up size. > > You could confirm my suspicion by running this command: > dir f:\ /s | find /i "bytes" > It will probably show a final figure that exceeds your partition capacity. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:37F7A4B9-4198-46D8-ACEC-F317A6E5FE6D[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Prepare for further baffling: > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 > > Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . > > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 > > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 > > (snip) > > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 > > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 > > 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes > > 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free > > Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 > > > > After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > > > > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > > > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . > > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes > > 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free > > Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 > > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > > Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have > > 28,356,564,798 free bytes. > > > > :p > > > > Jim > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to > >> create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. On > >> the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems > >> necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with ***your*** > >> files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: > >> > >> [ at ]echo off > >> set Active=no > >> set Drive=F: > >> set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name > >> > >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> echo. > >> echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> if /i %Active%==yes ( > >> del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 > >> ) else ( > >> echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" > >> ) > >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> > >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> > >> Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double > >> quotes > >> to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now run > >> the > >> batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" command > >> used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, > >> modify > >> Line 2 like so: > >> set Active=yes > >> Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run the > >> batch file and examine the evidence. > >> > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what > >> >confuses > >> >me: > >> > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 files > >> > for > >> > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it > >> > says > >> > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on the > >> > folder > >> > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > >> > > >> > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go into > >> > the > >> > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, the > >> > free > >> > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and have > >> > read > >> > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I > >> > haven't > >> > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go about > >> > deleting the files? > >> > > >> > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a > >> > shortcut.) > >> > > >> > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space decreased > >> >> when > >> >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this same > >> >> file. > >> >> Conclusions: > >> >> - File deletion does work as expected. > >> >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > >> >> then you're deleting something other than that file. > >> >> > >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still there. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> > Well that seems to have run okay. > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > >> >> > Before creating the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > > >> >> > After creating the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> > > >> >> > After deleting the big test file > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > > >> >> > One minute later . . . > >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > So why would that work and clear up space when > >> >> > del f:\1\*.* > >> >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > >> >> > > >> >> > Jim > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the lie > >> >> >> detector > >> >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > >> >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > >> >> >> [ at ]echo off > >> >> >> set size=100000000 > >> >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> > >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo. > >> >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > >> >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while > >> >> >> monitoring > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad screen > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> see > >> >> >> at the end. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and then > >> >> >> > last-minute > >> >> >> > trip out of town. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of files > >> >> >> > appear > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the drive. > >> >> >> > Now > >> >> >> > I've > >> >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is > >> >> >> > bizarre. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am organizing > >> >> >> >> > several > >> >> >> >> > TB > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies files, > >> >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> >> > doesn't > >> >> >> >> > move > >> >> >> >> > them. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database files, > >> >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> > go > >> >> >> >> > into > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells me > >> >> >> >> > "the > >> >> >> >> > files > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" > >> >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is > >> >> >> >> > freed > >> >> >> >> > up > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free > >> >> >> >> > space > >> >> >> >> > remains > >> >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm running > >> >> >> >> > checkdisk > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be > >> >> >> >> > helpful. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a > >> >> >> >> > straight-up > >> >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the > >> >> >> >> Command > >> >> >> >> Prompt? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/9/2008 4:32:40 PM You write "When I look at TreeSize, it tells me I have nearly 7TB of file data on the drive, even though it's only a 4.77TB drive." This is exactly the phenomenon I predicted when I guessed that you were dealing with a compressed file issue. I think you're on the right path now - you just need to dig a little deeper. "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F24F016B-F50E-469C-83C3-79DA4A65AF4B[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] >I have a new working theory, please tell me if this makes sense? > > * When I began this project, the 4.77TB drive was only about half full and > several directories were compressed. I wanted to speed things up so I > unchecked "Compress files in this folder" and let it work for a while. I > didn't notice much change in the free space and that made sense to me > because > as I mentioned before, most of these files aren't particularly > compressible > to start with. > > When I copied the files from one place to another, it may have > decompressed > them, such that while file 01CYEE2B.I42 was 284kb in /1/ and /2/, in fact > in > /1/ it was semi-compressed and in /2/ it was not, so the files in /2/ took > up > more space on the drive. > > What I still don't get is why as I delete hundreds of GB out of /1/, the > free space doesn't increase much at all? Is it "expanding" previously > compressed files to fill up the available room? If so, why doesn't it take > up > the last available (now) 1.10GB? > > When I look at TreeSize, it tells me I have nearly 7TB of file data on the > drive, even though it's only a 4.77TB drive. Several folders that I have > previously un-checked "compress files in this folder" do not show up > "blue" > in Explorer but show up "blue" in TreeSize, and indeed if I right-click -> > properties them, they appear to be still compressed by about 1/3. > > So is my problem that although I'm deleting hundreds of GB, the remaining > 2.5TB "overage" is decompressing to fill up the space? > > Thanks again, this is very interesting but frustrating at the same time. > > Jim > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> All of this can be explained if the two following conditions are met: >> - Drive F: is an NTFS volume with file compression enabled. >> - Your files are highly compressible. >> >> You can test their compressibility by zipping up one of them and >> comparing >> its uncompressed with its zipped-up size. >> >> You could confirm my suspicion by running this command: >> dir f:\ /s | find /i "bytes" >> It will probably show a final figure that exceeds your partition >> capacity. >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:37F7A4B9-4198-46D8-ACEC-F317A6E5FE6D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Prepare for further baffling: >> > ------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 >> > Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" >> > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk >> > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 >> > >> > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X >> > >> > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . >> > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 >> > (snip) >> > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 >> > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 >> > 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes >> > 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free >> > Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 >> > >> > After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" >> > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk >> > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 >> > >> > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X >> > >> > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . >> > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. >> > 0 File(s) 0 bytes >> > 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free >> > Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have >> > 28,356,564,798 free bytes. >> > >> > :p >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> > >> >> The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to >> >> create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. >> >> On >> >> the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems >> >> necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with >> >> ***your*** >> >> files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: >> >> >> >> [ at ]echo off >> >> set Active=no >> >> set Drive=F: >> >> set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name >> >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt >> >> echo. >> >> echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> if /i %Active%==yes ( >> >> del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 >> >> ) else ( >> >> echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" >> >> ) >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt >> >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double >> >> quotes >> >> to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now >> >> run >> >> the >> >> batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" >> >> command >> >> used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, >> >> modify >> >> Line 2 like so: >> >> set Active=yes >> >> Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run >> >> the >> >> batch file and examine the evidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what >> >> >confuses >> >> >me: >> >> > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 >> >> > files >> >> > for >> >> > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it >> >> > says >> >> > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on >> >> > the >> >> > folder >> >> > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." >> >> > >> >> > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go >> >> > into >> >> > the >> >> > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, >> >> > the >> >> > free >> >> > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and >> >> > have >> >> > read >> >> > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I >> >> > haven't >> >> > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go >> >> > about >> >> > deleting the files? >> >> > >> >> > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a >> >> > shortcut.) >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! >> >> > >> >> > Jim >> >> > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space >> >> >> decreased >> >> >> when >> >> >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this >> >> >> same >> >> >> file. >> >> >> Conclusions: >> >> >> - File deletion does work as expected. >> >> >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files >> >> >> then you're deleting something other than that file. >> >> >> >> >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still >> >> >> there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Well that seems to have run okay. >> >> >> > -------------------------------- >> >> >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 >> >> >> > Before creating the big test file >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > After creating the big test file >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > After deleting the big test file >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > One minute later . . . >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 >> >> >> > -------------------------------- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So why would that work and clear up space when >> >> >> > del f:\1\*.* >> >> >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Jim >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the >> >> >> >> lie >> >> >> >> detector >> >> >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into >> >> >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: >> >> >> >> [ at ]echo off >> >> >> >> set size=100000000 >> >> >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> echo. >> >> >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% >> >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> del c:\big.bin >> >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . >> >> >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul >> >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while >> >> >> >> monitoring >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad >> >> >> >> screen >> >> >> >> you >> >> >> >> see >> >> >> >> at the end. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and >> >> >> >> > then >> >> >> >> > last-minute >> >> >> >> > trip out of town. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Deleting from command prompt does the same thing. 58GB of >> >> >> >> > files >> >> >> >> > appear >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> > gone but no space is freed up. Still only 1GB free on the >> >> >> >> > drive. >> >> >> >> > Now >> >> >> >> > I've >> >> >> >> > deleted close to 200GB and still only 1GB "free." This is >> >> >> >> > bizarre. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Thanks again for your thoughts! >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> >> >> >> >> message >> >> >> >> >> news:AF619ACC-9CBE-44BF-A0BC-2E2157C5655D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> >> > This is a follow-up to a previous post where I am >> >> >> >> >> > organizing >> >> >> >> >> > several >> >> >> >> >> > TB >> >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> > files. The proprietary software I'm using only copies >> >> >> >> >> > files, >> >> >> >> >> > it >> >> >> >> >> > doesn't >> >> >> >> >> > move >> >> >> >> >> > them. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > So after confirming the successful copy of the database >> >> >> >> >> > files, >> >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >> > go >> >> >> >> >> > into >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > old directory to delete them. Windows (Server 2003) tells >> >> >> >> >> > me >> >> >> >> >> > "the >> >> >> >> >> > files >> >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> >> > are trying to delete are too big for the Recycle Bin. Would >> >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> >> > like >> >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> > permanently delete them?" >> >> >> >> >> > I click "Yes to all." >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The files and their directories disappear but no space is >> >> >> >> >> > freed >> >> >> >> >> > up >> >> >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > drive. I'll bet I've deleted over 100GB so far but the free >> >> >> >> >> > space >> >> >> >> >> > remains >> >> >> >> >> > unchanged. I've tried rebooting to no avail. Now I'm >> >> >> >> >> > running >> >> >> >> >> > checkdisk >> >> >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > drive, but any other suggestions y'all might have would be >> >> >> >> >> > helpful. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I do not have Norton installed on this machine. It's just a >> >> >> >> >> > straight-up >> >> >> >> >> > Server 2003 install. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What happens when you delete some of those big files from the >> >> >> >> >> Command >> >> >> >> >> Prompt? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/9/2008 4:46:55 PM Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show any folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed already. What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I correct in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free space start to increase again?? Thanks for all your help. Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > You write "When I look at TreeSize, it tells me I have nearly 7TB of > file data on the drive, even though it's only a 4.77TB drive." This is > exactly the phenomenon I predicted when I guessed that you were > dealing with a compressed file issue. I think you're on the right path > now - you just need to dig a little deeper. > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:F24F016B-F50E-469C-83C3-79DA4A65AF4B[ at ]microsoft.com... > >I have a new working theory, please tell me if this makes sense? > > > > * When I began this project, the 4.77TB drive was only about half full and > > several directories were compressed. I wanted to speed things up so I > > unchecked "Compress files in this folder" and let it work for a while. I > > didn't notice much change in the free space and that made sense to me > > because > > as I mentioned before, most of these files aren't particularly > > compressible > > to start with. > > > > When I copied the files from one place to another, it may have > > decompressed > > them, such that while file 01CYEE2B.I42 was 284kb in /1/ and /2/, in fact > > in > > /1/ it was semi-compressed and in /2/ it was not, so the files in /2/ took > > up > > more space on the drive. > > > > What I still don't get is why as I delete hundreds of GB out of /1/, the > > free space doesn't increase much at all? Is it "expanding" previously > > compressed files to fill up the available room? If so, why doesn't it take > > up > > the last available (now) 1.10GB? > > > > When I look at TreeSize, it tells me I have nearly 7TB of file data on the > > drive, even though it's only a 4.77TB drive. Several folders that I have > > previously un-checked "compress files in this folder" do not show up > > "blue" > > in Explorer but show up "blue" in TreeSize, and indeed if I right-click -> > > properties them, they appear to be still compressed by about 1/3. > > > > So is my problem that although I'm deleting hundreds of GB, the remaining > > 2.5TB "overage" is decompressing to fill up the space? > > > > Thanks again, this is very interesting but frustrating at the same time. > > > > Jim > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> All of this can be explained if the two following conditions are met: > >> - Drive F: is an NTFS volume with file compression enabled. > >> - Your files are highly compressible. > >> > >> You can test their compressibility by zipping up one of them and > >> comparing > >> its uncompressed with its zipped-up size. > >> > >> You could confirm my suspicion by running this command: > >> dir f:\ /s | find /i "bytes" > >> It will probably show a final figure that exceeds your partition > >> capacity. > >> > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:37F7A4B9-4198-46D8-ACEC-F317A6E5FE6D[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > Prepare for further baffling: > >> > ------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > Wed 10/08/2008 17:04:02.14 > >> > Before emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > >> > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > >> > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > >> > > >> > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > >> > > >> > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> . > >> > 10/08/2008 04:32 PM <DIR> .. > >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEE2B.I42 > >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEF2B.I42 > >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEG2B.I42 > >> > 05/22/2006 06:01 AM 290,080 01CYEH2B.I42 > >> > (snip) > >> > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXN1B.I42 > >> > 10/21/2005 08:48 AM 290,823 021GXP1B.I42 > >> > 93830 File(s) 27,216,271,166 bytes > >> > 2 Dir(s) 1,140,289,536 bytes free > >> > Total # of free bytes : 1140293632 > >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1140293632 > >> > > >> > After emptying "F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X" > >> > Volume in drive F is GPLDisk > >> > Volume Serial Number is 30A9-7549 > >> > > >> > Directory of F:\PFPS\NGA\3\rpf\cib1\X > >> > > >> > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> . > >> > 10/08/2008 05:05 PM <DIR> .. > >> > 0 File(s) 0 bytes > >> > 2 Dir(s) 1,164,267,520 bytes free > >> > Total # of free bytes : 1164267520 > >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1164267520 > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > How the heck does that work? According to calc.exe I should now have > >> > 28,356,564,798 free bytes. > >> > > >> > :p > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> The strange thing is that when I give you a self-logging batch file to > >> >> create and delete a big file then things work out exactly as expected. > >> >> On > >> >> the other hand, when you do things manually then they don't. It seems > >> >> necessary to repeat the deletion exercise, but this time with > >> >> ***your*** > >> >> files and with the process documenting itself. Try this batch file: > >> >> > >> >> [ at ]echo off > >> >> set Active=no > >> >> set Drive=F: > >> >> set Folder=%Drive%\Some Folder Name > >> >> > >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> >> echo. > >> >> echo Before emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> if /i %Active%==yes ( > >> >> del /q "%folder%\*.*" 1>>c:\test.txt 2>>&1 > >> >> ) else ( > >> >> echo del /q "%folder%\*.*" > >> >> ) > >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> echo After emptying "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> >> dir "%folder%" >> c:\test.txt > >> >> fsutil volume diskfree %Drive% >> c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> >> > >> >> Adjust lines 3 and 4 to suit your environment. Do not add any double > >> >> quotes > >> >> to the folder name and leave the "Set active=no" line as it is. Now > >> >> run > >> >> the > >> >> batch file from the Command Prompt. It will show you the "delete" > >> >> command > >> >> used if it was active. If you're happy that the command is correct, > >> >> modify > >> >> Line 2 like so: > >> >> set Active=yes > >> >> Do not add any spaces other than between "set" and "Active". Now run > >> >> the > >> >> batch file and examine the evidence. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:ACD9CBF6-2DAD-4614-88E5-EBACCA84EE4E[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >I can certainly understand why you would say that, but here's what > >> >> >confuses > >> >> >me: > >> >> > Let's say I want to delete f:\1\*.*, which as I said is 100,000 > >> >> > files > >> >> > for > >> >> > 28GB. I determine this two ways: first, in the window status bar it > >> >> > says > >> >> > "100,000 files 28GB" and second, if I right click -> properties on > >> >> > the > >> >> > folder > >> >> > for "1," it says "100,000 files, 28GB." > >> >> > > >> >> > So if I right-click -> delete the directory numbered 1, OR if I go > >> >> > into > >> >> > the > >> >> > command prompt to do that, the directory goes away. But as I say, > >> >> > the > >> >> > free > >> >> > space doesn't increase. I've been doing some further research and > >> >> > have > >> >> > read > >> >> > that UNIX occasionally stores files in more than one location, but I > >> >> > haven't > >> >> > seen anything along those lines for NTFS. How else would you go > >> >> > about > >> >> > deleting the files? > >> >> > > >> >> > (I guess what I'm saying is that I'm 99% sure I am not deleting a > >> >> > shortcut.) > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks for all of your help, I *do* appreciate your thoughts! > >> >> > > >> >> > Jim > >> >> > > >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> The test you ran shows clearly that the amount of free space > >> >> >> decreased > >> >> >> when > >> >> >> you created a large file and it increased when you deleted this > >> >> >> same > >> >> >> file. > >> >> >> Conclusions: > >> >> >> - File deletion does work as expected. > >> >> >> - When you think you're deleting one of your own big files > >> >> >> then you're deleting something other than that file. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I suspect you deleted a link. The file behind the link is still > >> >> >> there. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:9C044B7D-CE03-49E1-A7A8-BDD09CD095C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > Well that seems to have run okay. > >> >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> >> > Wed 10/08/2008 12:30:15.73 > >> >> >> > Before creating the big test file > >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > After creating the big test file > >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1045966848 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > After deleting the big test file > >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > One minute later . . . > >> >> >> > Total # of free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> >> > Total # of bytes : 5247106805760 > >> >> >> > Total # of avail free bytes : 1145970688 > >> >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So why would that work and clear up space when > >> >> >> > del f:\1\*.* > >> >> >> > (28GB in 100,000 files) does nothing? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Jim > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> This is getting a little bizarre. Let's put your machine on the > >> >> >> >> lie > >> >> >> >> detector > >> >> >> >> by running a set of non-GUI commands. Copy the lines below into > >> >> >> >> c:\test.bat, then run c:\test.bat from a Command Prompt: > >> >> >> >> [ at ]echo off > >> >> >> >> set size=100000000 > >> >> >> >> if exist c:\big.bin del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> echo %date% %time% > c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> echo. > >> >> >> >> echo Before creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> fsutil file createnew c:\big.bin %size% > >> >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> echo After creating the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> del c:\big.bin > >> >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> echo After deleting the big test file >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> echo Pausing for a minute . . . > >> >> >> >> ping localhost -n 60 > nul > >> >> >> >> echo. >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> echo One minute later . . . >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> fsutil volume diskfree c: >> c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> notepad c:\test.txt > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The batch file will create and delete a 100 MByte file while > >> >> >> >> monitoring > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> amount of free disk space. Post the contents of the notepad > >> >> >> >> screen > >> >> >> >> you > >> >> >> >> see > >> >> >> >> at the end. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:52CC23F7-AC72-4A3B-89FC-A3082E5ABCD0[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> >> >> > Sorry for the delay, I had to wait for chkdisk to finish and > >> >> >> >> > then > >> >> >> >> > last-minute > >> >> >> >> > trip out of town. > >> >> >> >> >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> 10/9/2008 5:01:00 PM "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show > any > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed > already. > > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I > correct > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free space > start to increase again?? > > Thanks for all your help. > > Jim Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each time you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you expected, because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than you thought they did.

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/9/2008 6:00:53 PM Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue in explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've seen the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... Thanks again for everything! Jim "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: [Quoted Text] > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show > > any > > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed > > already. > > > > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and > > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I > > correct > > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free space > > start to increase again?? > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > Jim > > Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each time > you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you expected, > because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than you > thought they did. > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "R. C. White" <rc[ at ]grandecom.net> 10/10/2008 1:12:14 PM Hi, Jim. Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there is a check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is this box checked? RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc[ at ]grandecom.net Microsoft Windows MVP (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue in > explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've > seen > the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... > > Thanks again for everything! > > Jim > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show >> > any >> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed >> > already. >> > >> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and >> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I >> > correct >> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free >> > space >> > start to increase again?? >> > >> > Thanks for all your help. >> > >> > Jim >> >> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each time >> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you >> expected, >> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than you >> thought they did.

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.[ at ].alum.mit.edu.nospam.> 10/10/2008 3:10:01 PM Another way to check the compression status on a directory is to right click the directory and select properties. If the size on disk is smaller than the size of the files, you have compression turned on. Deleting the directory will free up at most, the size on disk value. I say at most, because deleting through Explorer almost always results in the file simply being moved to the recycle bin. To bypass the recycle bin, either use the command line or hold a shift key down while you do the delete. Mike Ober. "R. C. White" <rc[ at ]grandecom.net> wrote in message news:831D0A5E-17E4-40E6-8C66-43C68911A150[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Hi, Jim. > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there is a > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is this > box checked? > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > rc[ at ]grandecom.net > Microsoft Windows MVP > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... >> Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue >> in >> explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've >> seen >> the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... >> >> Thanks again for everything! >> >> Jim >> >> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >>> >>> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't >>> > show >>> > any >>> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed >>> > already. >>> > >>> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and >>> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I >>> > correct >>> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free >>> > space >>> > start to increase again?? >>> > >>> > Thanks for all your help. >>> > >>> > Jim >>> >>> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each >>> time >>> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you >>> expected, >>> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than >>> you >>> thought they did. > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/10/2008 10:07:01 PM Yes, but thanks for your time! "R. C. White" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hi, Jim. > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there is a > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is this > box checked? > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > rc[ at ]grandecom.net > Microsoft Windows MVP > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue in > > explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've > > seen > > the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... > > > > Thanks again for everything! > > > > Jim > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > >> > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show > >> > any > >> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed > >> > already. > >> > > >> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and > >> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I > >> > correct > >> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free > >> > space > >> > start to increase again?? > >> > > >> > Thanks for all your help. > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > >> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each time > >> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you > >> expected, > >> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than you > >> thought they did. >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 10/10/2008 10:08:02 PM Right. The mystery is how a directory that has 28GB of files that is maybe "26GB on disk," when deleted, frees up maybe a few hundred to maybe a megabyte. I'm positive it's not in the Recyle Bin. ;-) "Michael D. Ober" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Another way to check the compression status on a directory is to right click > the directory and select properties. If the size on disk is smaller than > the size of the files, you have compression turned on. Deleting the > directory will free up at most, the size on disk value. I say at most, > because deleting through Explorer almost always results in the file simply > being moved to the recycle bin. To bypass the recycle bin, either use the > command line or hold a shift key down while you do the delete. > > Mike Ober. > > "R. C. White" <rc[ at ]grandecom.net> wrote in message > news:831D0A5E-17E4-40E6-8C66-43C68911A150[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Hi, Jim. > > > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there is a > > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is this > > box checked? > > > > RC > > -- > > R. C. White, CPA > > San Marcos, TX > > rc[ at ]grandecom.net > > Microsoft Windows MVP > > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue > >> in > >> explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've > >> seen > >> the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... > >> > >> Thanks again for everything! > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >>> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... > >>> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't > >>> > show > >>> > any > >>> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed > >>> > already. > >>> > > >>> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and > >>> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I > >>> > correct > >>> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free > >>> > space > >>> > start to increase again?? > >>> > > >>> > Thanks for all your help. > >>> > > >>> > Jim > >>> > >>> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each > >>> time > >>> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you > >>> expected, > >>> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than > >>> you > >>> thought they did. > > > > > > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.[ at ].alum.mit.edu.nospam.> 10/11/2008 1:02:24 PM Jaime, I think you did this before, but humor me. Open a command prompt, change to the directory you want to delete and enter the following commands. compact > "%userprofile%\desktop\compress.txt" dir >> "%userprofile%\desktop\bigdir.txt" dir /ah/ad c:\ >> "%userprofile%\desktop\rootfolders.txt" On your desktop you will find a files named compress.txt, bigdir.txt, and rootfolders.txt. In it will be the current compression information for every file in the directory. If the file isn't too large, post it here. If it is large, email that file to me at obermd[ at ]alum.mit.edu and I'll look at it. Something else is going on with these files and we need to see them. I know you said you don't have norton, but there are other recycle bin replacements available and someone may have installed one of them. Mike. "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F0970C6C-104C-426D-90FB-0EABB4DA7CBB[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Right. The mystery is how a directory that has 28GB of files that is maybe > "26GB on disk," when deleted, frees up maybe a few hundred to maybe a > megabyte. I'm positive it's not in the Recyle Bin. ;-) > > "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > >> Another way to check the compression status on a directory is to right >> click >> the directory and select properties. If the size on disk is smaller than >> the size of the files, you have compression turned on. Deleting the >> directory will free up at most, the size on disk value. I say at most, >> because deleting through Explorer almost always results in the file >> simply >> being moved to the recycle bin. To bypass the recycle bin, either use >> the >> command line or hold a shift key down while you do the delete. >> >> Mike Ober. >> >> "R. C. White" <rc[ at ]grandecom.net> wrote in message >> news:831D0A5E-17E4-40E6-8C66-43C68911A150[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Hi, Jim. >> > >> > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there >> > is a >> > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is >> > this >> > box checked? >> > >> > RC >> > -- >> > R. C. White, CPA >> > San Marcos, TX >> > rc[ at ]grandecom.net >> > Microsoft Windows MVP >> > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) >> > >> > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing >> >> blue >> >> in >> >> explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've >> >> seen >> >> the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... >> >> >> >> Thanks again for everything! >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >>> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >>> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't >> >>> > show >> >>> > any >> >>> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been >> >>> > decompressed >> >>> > already. >> >>> > >> >>> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and >> >>> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am >> >>> > I >> >>> > correct >> >>> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my >> >>> > free >> >>> > space >> >>> > start to increase again?? >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks for all your help. >> >>> > >> >>> > Jim >> >>> >> >>> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each >> >>> time >> >>> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you >> >>> expected, >> >>> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than >> >>> you >> >>> thought they did. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase SK 12/3/2008 4:05:01 PM Jim I have a similar situation. The files are deleted but the free space does not increase. Were you able to get any resolution "JaimeZX" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Yes, but thanks for your time! > > "R. C. White" wrote: > > > Hi, Jim. > > > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there is a > > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is this > > box checked? > > > > RC > > -- > > R. C. White, CPA > > San Marcos, TX > > rc[ at ]grandecom.net > > Microsoft Windows MVP > > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... > > > Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue in > > > explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've > > > seen > > > the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... > > > > > > Thanks again for everything! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... > > >> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show > > >> > any > > >> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed > > >> > already. > > >> > > > >> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and > > >> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I > > >> > correct > > >> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free > > >> > space > > >> > start to increase again?? > > >> > > > >> > Thanks for all your help. > > >> > > > >> > Jim > > >> > > >> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each time > > >> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you > > >> expected, > > >> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than you > > >> thought they did. > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase SK 12/3/2008 4:42:10 PM On the Drive, from the command prompt, I manually went to RECYLER folder. Its hidden and the files in it as well. I deleted them to regain the space. "SK" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Jim > > I have a similar situation. The files are deleted but the free space does > not increase. Were you able to get any resolution > > "JaimeZX" wrote: > > > Yes, but thanks for your time! > > > > "R. C. White" wrote: > > > > > Hi, Jim. > > > > > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there is a > > > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is this > > > box checked? > > > > > > RC > > > -- > > > R. C. White, CPA > > > San Marcos, TX > > > rc[ at ]grandecom.net > > > Microsoft Windows MVP > > > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > > > > > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... > > > > Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing blue in > > > > explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders I've > > > > seen > > > > the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... > > > > > > > > Thanks again for everything! > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... > > > >> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer didn't show > > > >> > any > > > >> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been decompressed > > > >> > already. > > > >> > > > > >> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger (and > > > >> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, am I > > > >> > correct > > > >> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my free > > > >> > space > > > >> > start to increase again?? > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for all your help. > > > >> > > > > >> > Jim > > > >> > > > >> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased each time > > > >> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you > > > >> expected, > > > >> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space than you > > > >> thought they did. > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.[ at ].alum.mit.edu.nospam.> 12/4/2008 12:41:12 AM SK, As far as I know there are no versions of Windows that use "RECYCLER" for the recycle bin. They all use Recycle.bin or $Recycle.bin. In addition, deleting files from a command prompt (or script), which you did as part of the testing doesn't send files to the Windows recycle bin. You don't by any chance have a third party recycle bin installed? Mike Ober. "SK" <SK[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:31142C33-0B69-4114-A610-3813E2843409[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > On the Drive, from the command prompt, I manually went to RECYLER folder. > Its > hidden and the files in it as well. I deleted them to regain the space. > > "SK" wrote: > >> Jim >> >> I have a similar situation. The files are deleted but the free space does >> not increase. Were you able to get any resolution >> >> "JaimeZX" wrote: >> >> > Yes, but thanks for your time! >> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, Jim. >> > > >> > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there >> > > is a >> > > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is >> > > this >> > > box checked? >> > > >> > > RC >> > > -- >> > > R. C. White, CPA >> > > San Marcos, TX >> > > rc[ at ]grandecom.net >> > > Microsoft Windows MVP >> > > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) >> > > >> > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > > > Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing >> > > > blue in >> > > > explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders >> > > > I've >> > > > seen >> > > > the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for everything! >> > > > >> > > > Jim >> > > > >> > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > > >> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > > >> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer >> > > >> > didn't show >> > > >> > any >> > > >> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been >> > > >> > decompressed >> > > >> > already. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger >> > > >> > (and >> > > >> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, >> > > >> > am I >> > > >> > correct >> > > >> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my >> > > >> > free >> > > >> > space >> > > >> > start to increase again?? >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for all your help. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jim >> > > >> >> > > >> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased >> > > >> each time >> > > >> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you >> > > >> expected, >> > > >> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space >> > > >> than you >> > > >> thought they did. >> > > >

Re: Files deleted but free space doesn't increase JaimeZX 12/18/2008 8:59:02 PM Mike, it sounds like he went into the RECYCLER folder from the command prompt and re-deleted the files that way. SK - no, I never got any resolution there; and "RECYCLER" was definately not the issue, but thanks for the feedback! Regards, Jim "Michael D. Ober" wrote: [Quoted Text] > SK, > > As far as I know there are no versions of Windows that use "RECYCLER" for > the recycle bin. They all use Recycle.bin or $Recycle.bin. In addition, > deleting files from a command prompt (or script), which you did as part of > the testing doesn't send files to the Windows recycle bin. You don't by any > chance have a third party recycle bin installed? > > Mike Ober. > > > "SK" <SK[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:31142C33-0B69-4114-A610-3813E2843409[ at ]microsoft.com... > > On the Drive, from the command prompt, I manually went to RECYLER folder. > > Its > > hidden and the files in it as well. I deleted them to regain the space. > > > > "SK" wrote: > > > >> Jim > >> > >> I have a similar situation. The files are deleted but the free space does > >> not increase. Were you able to get any resolution > >> > >> "JaimeZX" wrote: > >> > >> > Yes, but thanks for your time! > >> > > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi, Jim. > >> > > > >> > > Have a look at Folder Options | View. On about the second page there > >> > > is a > >> > > check box for "Show encrypted or compressed NTFS files in color". Is > >> > > this > >> > > box checked? > >> > > > >> > > RC > >> > > -- > >> > > R. C. White, CPA > >> > > San Marcos, TX > >> > > rc[ at ]grandecom.net > >> > > Microsoft Windows MVP > >> > > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > >> > > > >> > > "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:5634563C-9AD1-46B3-BD76-26A23879BCA6[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > > > Interesting how that could be the case without the files appearing > >> > > > blue in > >> > > > explorer, but now that I have compression running on some folders > >> > > > I've > >> > > > seen > >> > > > the free space tick up one whole GB already! 1999 to go... > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks again for everything! > >> > > > > >> > > > Jim > >> > > > > >> > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> "JaimeZX" <JaimeZX[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > > >> news:E74B5263-0C38-4D2F-910F-208D6520BBB3[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > > >> > Sure. I apologize for doubting you; it's just that Explorer > >> > > >> > didn't show > >> > > >> > any > >> > > >> > folders "blue" anymore, so I assumed the files had been > >> > > >> > decompressed > >> > > >> > already. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What I'm planning to do is re-enable compression on the larger > >> > > >> > (and > >> > > >> > less-used) folders to see if that helps my situation. Otherwise, > >> > > >> > am I > >> > > >> > correct > >> > > >> > in assuming that I'd have to delete 2TB of data before I saw my > >> > > >> > free > >> > > >> > space > >> > > >> > start to increase again?? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks for all your help. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Your previous report showed that your free disk space increased > >> > > >> each time > >> > > >> you deleted some files. It simply did not increase as much as you > >> > > >> expected, > >> > > >> because the files you deleted were consuming far less disk space > >> > > >> than you > >> > > >> thought they did. > >> > > > > > > > >