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Hi, all !
I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
and LOTS of memory.
Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
thing goes to paged RAM.
Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
If so, which one do you recommend?
I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
anything !
Thank you all !
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Ram boosting is just paging itself...
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"Hari Hari Mau" <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
<harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
No.
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"Hari Hari Mau" <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade
> the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
No.
Things will likely always page - just the way things are handled.
How often do you actually utilize 16GB of your memory? ;-)
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Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !
Try one and find out and report back.
Most say they are worthless and actually use more ram. (ie:snakeoil)
Let us hear how it works out.
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !
Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
physical ram is used up.
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On Nov 29, 6:45 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > and LOTS of memory.
>
> > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade
> > the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> > If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > anything !
>
> No.
> Things will likely always page - just the way things are handled.
> How often do you actually utilize 16GB of your memory? ;-)
According to Task Manager, all of it plus another 24 GB of paged. As I
have 4 HD in the comp, and set up page files in all the 4 HDs, total
paged is about 38GB and 24GB of it has been "committed".
What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem
intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I
do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually
know why the thing is using up so much memory.
That is why I am thinking of changing a mobo that can support 32GB of
RAM.
But before I do that, I like to know if any of those RAM Boosting
utilities work.
What I mean is, if there's some mem leakage, perhaps (just perhaps !)
the RAM Boosting utility could recover those RAM by "cleaning up"
those memories that are not being used and then giving it back to the
OS so my machine won't have to be paged like mad.
As it is now, the HD light is constantly on. All 4 of the HD are like
churning and cranking.
I have read in other places that those RAM Boosting programs are junk.
My purpose of posting the messages here is, maybe someone have had
experiences on those RAM Boosting programs and maybe they can tell me
more about mem leaks and how to recover those RAM memory.
Hoping to hear more opinion soon !
Thank you all !!!
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <E...[ at ]nada.com.invalid> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > Hi, all !
>
> > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > and LOTS of memory.
>
> > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> > If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > anything !
>
> > Thank you all !
>
> Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
> relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
> The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
> physical ram is used up.
Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
slow down".
The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes
smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
hum.
I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.
From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
light is on constantly.
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You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps
mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You have
to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks.
You may also be able to use a profiler to help.
--
Randem Systems
Your Installation Specialist
The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
http://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.html
http://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.html
http://www.financialtrainingservices.org
"Hari Hari Mau" <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1dd2af73-8213-4a34-ab61-7f40a7910cf4[ at ]v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <E...[ at ]nada.com.invalid> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hari Hari Mau wrote:
> > Hi, all !
>
> > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> > and LOTS of memory.
>
> > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> > thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> > If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> > anything !
>
> > Thank you all !
>
> Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
> relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
> The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
> physical ram is used up.
Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
slow down".
The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes
smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
hum.
I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.
From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
light is on constantly.
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Hari Hari Mau <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in
news:8337961b-bd1c-4864-8daf-aa9386329204[ at ]k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
None. For two reasons. There are two ways you can "increase" ram without
actually spending the couple of bucks to actually *do* it.
1. Compression in situ. This involves compressing all data while it is in
RAM thereby giving you more space, but at a substantial speed penalty.
2. Swapping to the hard drive. Windows does this anyways if you run out of
ram, so what you're doing is creating a second page file fighting with
windows. This makes it *really* slow. In addition to this stupidity, the
hard drive - any hard drive - is over 1000x slower than any RAM. This is
why when the computer slows down the hard drive light is always on, or
rather the other way around.
If you need a faster computer with more RAM, upgrade it. The "solution"
you suggest only worked when the hard drives were close in speed to the
speed of the processors. That's about 1980 or earlier. The original IBM PC
had a clock speed of 4.77 Mhz. Hard drive speeds (random access time) were
of the order of 80ms or slower. This leads to a ratio of 1:381,600 at
worst. In present computers, The speed is 3 Ghz (single processor/single
core to give a fair comparision) Hard drives still only are about 5ms due
to hardware limitations - motors only move so fast. That's a ration of
1:15,000,000,000. Now a read of a byte of ram takes pretty well the same
number of clock cycles - 4 with a couple more waiting depending on how
fast the ram is. Now you see the loss you get?
Try shutting down everything else *but* the program you're working on,
including anything in startup and see if that helps first.
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
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Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.
That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !
Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?
Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in
XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for
the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. ....
but I digress ...
On Nov 29, 7:29 pm, "Randem" <newsgro...[ at ]randem.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps > mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You have > to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks. > You may also be able to use a profiler to help. > > -- > Randem Systems > Your Installation Specialist > The Top Inno Setup Script Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.htmlhttp://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.htmlhttp://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.htmlhttp://www.financialtrainingservices.org> > "Hari Hari Mau" <harimau....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1dd2af73-8213-4a34-ab61-7f40a7910cf4[ at ]v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <E...[ at ]nada.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > Hari Hari Mau wrote: > > > Hi, all ! > > > > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. > > > > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots > > > and LOTS of memory. > > > > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the > > > thing goes to paged RAM. > > > > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the > > > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to > > > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- > > > > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? > > > > If so, which one do you recommend? > > > > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... > > > anything ! > > > > Thank you all ! > > > Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just > > relying on the fact that the page file is being used? > > The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your > > physical ram is used up. > > Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice > slow down". > > The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes > smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to > hum. > > I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering. > > From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed" > mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing > grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD > light is on constantly. |
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Hari Hari Mau <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem
>intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I
>do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually
>know why the thing is using up so much memory.
Start | Run <type in>
perfmon.msc
<enter>
This is a performance graph used to find bottlenecks. It's not an easy
program to use, so you will need to read the help file (Hit F1) or you
will get a help file on how to use MMC.
Very quick start would be to Hit the + (or ADD) icon, then read all
the counters from each performance object.
But set up correctly you can find memory leaks, hogs, or those in need
of more.
--
Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixel
http://tinyurl.com/6nro6h
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On Nov 29, 8:40 pm, Pennyw...[ at ]DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hari Hari Mau <harimau....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote: > > >What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem > >intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I > >do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually > >know why the thing is using up so much memory. > > Start | Run <type in> > perfmon.msc > <enter> > > This is a performance graph used to find bottlenecks. It's not an easy > program to use, so you will need to read the help file (Hit F1) or you > will get a help file on how to use MMC. > > Very quick start would be to Hit the + (or ADD) icon, then read all > the counters from each performance object. > > But set up correctly you can find memory leaks, hogs, or those in need > of more. > -- > > Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixel http://tinyurl.com/6nro6h
Many thanks !!!
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Hari Hari Mau <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
>just can't find it !
>Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?
You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory.
It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools.
You might need Admin access.
And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE
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Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixel
http://tinyurl.com/6nro6h
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"Hari Hari Mau" <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d71f429-7ba2-4419-be65-7f252ad16954[ at ]z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.
That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !
Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?
Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in
XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for
the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. ....
but I digress ...
On Nov 29, 7:29 pm, "Randem" <newsgro...[ at ]randem.com> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps > mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You > have > to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks. > You may also be able to use a profiler to help. > > -- > Randem Systems > Your Installation Specialist > The Top Inno Setup Script > Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.htmlhttp://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.htmlhttp://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.htmlhttp://www.financialtrainingservices.org> > "Hari Hari Mau" <harimau....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in > messagenews:1dd2af73-8213-4a34-ab61-7f40a7910cf4[ at ]v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <E...[ at ]nada.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > Hari Hari Mau wrote: > > > Hi, all ! > > > > I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. > > > > I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots > > > and LOTS of memory. > > > > Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the > > > thing goes to paged RAM. > > > > Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the > > > RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to > > > manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- > > > > Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? > > > > If so, which one do you recommend? > > > > I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... > > > anything ! > > > > Thank you all ! > > > Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just > > relying on the fact that the page file is being used? > > The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your > > physical ram is used up. > > Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice > slow down". > > The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes > smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to > hum. > > I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering. > > From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed" > mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing > grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD > light is on constantly.
You probably want to try Mark Russiinovich's Process Monitor.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx
There are other utilities on that site that may be usefull as well.
Best
Paul.
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<Pennywise[ at ]DerryMaine.Gov> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Hari Hari Mau <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
>>just can't find it !
>
>>Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?
>
> You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory.
> It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools.
> You might need Admin access.
>
> And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE
> --
On my machine (WinXP Prof) it's either one or the other.
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PeeCee wrote:
[Quoted Text] > "Hari Hari Mau" <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9d71f429-7ba2-4419-be65-7f252ad16954[ at ]z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
> Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
> supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.
>
> That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
> just can't find it !
Try perfmon.msc instead of perfmon.exe
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"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can[ at ]fly.com.oz> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > > > <Pennywise[ at ]DerryMaine.Gov> wrote in message > news:v9f4j4l31c65je6mofaqkqpfb9n8oudsnc[ at ]4ax.com... >> Hari Hari Mau <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I >>>just can't find it ! >> >>>Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please? >> >> You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory. >> It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools. >> You might need Admin access. >> >> And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE >> -- > > On my machine (WinXP Prof) it's either one or the other.
I have both (XP Home 3rd)
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Does the rendering programme use an Undo feature like you see in photo
editing programmes? What is the name of the programme you are using?
--
Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and > Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that > supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory. > > That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I > just can't find it ! > > Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please? > > Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in > XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for > the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. .... > but I digress ... > > > > On Nov 29, 7:29 pm, "Randem" <newsgro...[ at ]randem.com> wrote: >> You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your >> apps >> mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. >> You have >> to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it >> leaks. >> You may also be able to use a profiler to help. >> >> -- >> Randem Systems >> Your Installation Specialist >> The Top Inno Setup Script >> Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.htmlhttp://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.htmlhttp://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.htmlhttp://www.financialtrainingservices.org>> >> "Hari Hari Mau" <harimau....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in >> messagenews:1dd2af73-8213-4a34-ab61-7f40a7910cf4[ at ]v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com... >> On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" <E...[ at ]nada.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hari Hari Mau wrote: >>>> Hi, all ! >> >>>> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. >> >>>> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and >>>> lots and LOTS of memory. >> >>>> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the >>>> thing goes to paged RAM. >> >>>> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade >>>> the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs >>>> to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- >> >>>> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? >> >>>> If so, which one do you recommend? >> >>>> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... >>>> anything ! >> >>>> Thank you all ! >> >>> Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you >>> just relying on the fact that the page file is being used? >>> The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all >>> your physical ram is used up. >> >> Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice >> slow down". >> >> The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it >> goes >> smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to >> hum. >> >> I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering. >> >> From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed" >> mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing >> grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD >> light is on constantly.
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those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.
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"Hari Hari Mau" <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message news:8337961b-bd1c-4864-8daf-aa9386329204[ at ]k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
[Quoted Text] > Hi, all !
>
> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>
> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> and LOTS of memory.
>
> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> thing goes to paged RAM.
>
> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>
> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
> If so, which one do you recommend?
>
> I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
> anything !
>
> Thank you all !
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No, those programs are utterly useless on any machine!
John
db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
[Quoted Text] > those programs are
> designed for machines
> with low resources.
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db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
[Quoted Text] > those programs are
> designed for machines
> with low resources.
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No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant
people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.
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Bruce Chambers
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
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not really.
they serve and fulfill
two specific purposes.
one, they are utilities and
tools towards a more efficient
use of resources, and
two, they are utilities that
incite the ineffective use of
resources of whining geeks.
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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:%23bgLj2BVJHA.4508[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >> those programs are >> designed for machines >> with low resources. >> >> >> > > > No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil. > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375> > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
[Quoted Text] > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
> <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, all !
>>
>> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>>
>> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
>> and LOTS of memory.
>>
>> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
>> thing goes to paged RAM.
>>
>> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
>> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
>> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>>
>> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>
>
> No.
>
Windows will page no matter how much RAM you have. Are you talking
about a specific program?
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Important corrections made to this posting
db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
[Quoted Text] > not really.
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> they serve and fulfill
> two unspecific purposes.
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> one, they are utilities and
> tools towards wasting the computers
> use of resources, and
>
> two, they are utilities that do nothing
> useful to the end user
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you're whining.
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DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
"Bob I" <birelan[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:u$OtIeIVJHA.2080[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Important corrections made to this posting
db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
[Quoted Text] > not really.
>
> they serve and fulfill
> two unspecific purposes.
>
> one, they are utilities and
> tools towards wasting the computers
> use of resources, and
>
> two, they are utilities that do nothing
> useful to the end user
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[Quoted Text] > db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
>> those programs are
>> designed for machines
>> with low resources.
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> No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant
> people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.
So sayeth the tiniest, most closed minded candidate on the 'net. There
IS one place this "snake oil" analogy (stolen from a M. R. article)
works and that's to describe Brucey's plethora of misinformation and
misleading posts. There is only one way to think; his way. Whether he
knows what he's talking about or not.
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[Quoted Text] > Important corrections made to this posting
>
> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
>
>> not really.
>>
>> they serve and fulfill
>> two unspecific purposes.
>>
>> one, they are utilities and
>> tools towards wasting the computers
>> use of resources, and
>>
>> two, they are utilities that do nothing
> > useful to the end user
Another puppet/parrot heard from. Too much trouble to think for itself.
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Have you tried removing the pagefile from the extra drives and shrinking the
one on system to see if any noticeable performance hit occurs?
Is your machine set to use more page then RAM?
How many Background services are running and do you need them all on?
What applications are you using?
I suggest you go and get memtest to check if all your RAM works.
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:07:27 +0000, Cork Soaker
<Thunderbird[ at ]Intrepid.invalid> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
> > <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, all !
> >>
> >> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
> >>
> >> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
> >> and LOTS of memory.
> >>
> >> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
> >> thing goes to paged RAM.
> >>
> >> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
> >> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
> >> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
> >>
> >> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
> >
> >
> > No.
> >
>
>
> Windows will page no matter how much RAM you have. Are you talking
> about a specific program?
First, you replied to my message, not the original poster's. No, *I*
am not talking about any specific program. Ask the original poster
what he was talking about, not me.
Second, it's not really correct that "Windows will page no matter how
much RAM you have." You are mixing up page file use with page
file allocation. They are not the same thing. Far and away the best
piece on the page file written is this article by the late MVP Alex
Nichol: "Virtual Memory in Windows XP" at
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php I recommend you read this to
better understand how all this works.
To find out how much page you actually use (as opposed to allocate),
go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download
WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip to monitor your pagefile usage.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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"Cork Soaker" <Thunderbird[ at ]Intrepid.invalid> wrote in message
news:6cle06-gm5.ln1[ at ]quarkbomb.dyndns.org...
[Quoted Text] > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
>> <harimau.mau[ at ]gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all !
>>>
>>> I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
>>> and LOTS of memory.
>>>
>>> Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
>>> thing goes to paged RAM.
>>>
>>> Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
>>> RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
>>> manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---
>>>
>>> Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?
>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>
>
> Windows will page no matter how much RAM you have. Are you talking about
> a specific program?
Your signature calls to mind a particularly off-color joke of many years
ago, which I suspect you have heard.
The gist of the joke had to do with four men, a Cork Soaker, a Coke Sacker,
a Shock Shucker, and the fourth which I will leave to your imagination..
Ken Bland
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