Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> 11/3/2008 12:13:49 AM I recently got Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 via www.theultimatesteal.co.uk for around £40 by virtue of my membership of a University. The terms and conditions state Windows 98 Second Edition is a qualifying OS and the download comprised 3 files -- an EXE and 2 WIMs. The EXE will only run on Vista or XP and there seems no obvious way of performing a clean install over Win98. Does anyone have any idea how to go about installing with Win98 as the qualifying OS. I have seen the odd article about creating an ISO from the above files and making a bootable DVD. Dillon

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> 11/3/2008 1:10:56 AM Hi Dillon-- I'm surprised that "terms and conditions" indicate that you can use Win 98 as a qualifying OS, because I've seen nothing to indicate that you can use any DOS-based version of Windows--including Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition--or Windows NT (any version) to upgrade to Vista. I'd question the source of those "terms and conditions." What is the source that said you can upgrade to Vista using 98 SE as a qualifying OS? These are the upgrade paths as far as I know. I'll be interested to see if someone corrects me as to 98 SE: The options You can upgrade from your current edition of Microsoft Windows XP or Windows 2000 to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista by purchasing and installing an upgrade copy of Windows Vista. Installation options http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/get/upgrade-your-pc-options.aspx The most stable situation is to iclean nstall a full OS version, but I'm sure you'll do fine by any of the MSFT approved upgrade paths. Good luck, CH "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> wrote in message news:uM$VMkUPJHA.4312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] >I recently got Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 via www.theultimatesteal.co.uk >for around £40 by virtue of my membership of a University. > > The terms and conditions state Windows 98 Second Edition is a qualifying > OS and the download comprised 3 files -- an EXE and 2 WIMs. > > The EXE will only run on Vista or XP and there seems no obvious way of > performing a clean install over Win98. > > Does anyone have any idea how to go about installing with Win98 as the > qualifying OS. I have seen the odd article about creating an ISO from the > above files and making a bootable DVD. > > Dillon >

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 Richie Hardwick <richiehardwick[ at ]yahSPAMhoo.com> 11/3/2008 1:57:50 AM "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote: [Quoted Text] >I'm surprised that "terms and conditions" indicate that you can use Win 98 >as a qualifying OS, because I've seen nothing to indicate that you can use >any DOS-based version of Windows--including Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows >98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition--or Windows NT (any >version) to upgrade to Vista. You are absolutely correct. Richie Hardwick

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> 11/3/2008 10:16:24 AM Thanks Richard/Chad. Ordinarily I would agree with you both 100%. Nevertheless, it's there in the terms & conditions and these are Microsoft's own t's & c's. Below is the relevant section. Dillon 4. Available October 10 - Windows Vista® Ultimate Upgrade (GBP 40,95): Perpetual licence, which includes the following application: Windows Vista® Ultimate Upgrade* *You must be a licensed user of one of the following products to be eligible for purchase of Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade License. Qualifying Operating System for purchase of Windows Upgrade License Windows Vista (32-bit or 64-bit) Business (N, K, KN) / NOTE: "N", "K", and "KN" are specialized editions available for certain markets Business Blade PC Edition Ultimate Home Premium Home Basic Windows XP (32-bit or 64-bit) XP Professional XP Tablet PC Edition XP Pro N XP Pro Blade PC Edition XP Home Edition Windows 2000 Professional Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Windows 98 (including 2nd edition) Apple Macintosh

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Rick Rogers" <rick[ at ]mvps.org> 11/3/2008 11:21:11 AM "Richie Hardwick" <richiehardwick[ at ]yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote in message news:9imsg49v2h0iebnbo790l9s92lol9o7ki1[ at ]4ax.com... [Quoted Text] > "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote: > >>I'm surprised that "terms and conditions" indicate that you can use Win 98 >>as a qualifying OS, because I've seen nothing to indicate that you can use >>any DOS-based version of Windows--including Windows 95, Windows 98, >>Windows >>98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition--or Windows NT (any >>version) to upgrade to Vista. > > You are absolutely correct. As it applies to retail. This is not retail, this is a package for education institutions and different rules and conditions apply. Microsoft has long sponsored programs for colleges to distribute software to their students far cheaper than mainstream, and the rules are often quite different. Dillon, I suspect you probably need to order the disk per the offer details as I don't know of any way of initiating the upgrade from within a Win98 system. While it may be a qualifying OS, it won't actually upgrade but rather it will be a clean installation. I would check with your University's technical folks for additional assistance, they may be more familiar with the program. A second concern would be installing Vista on a Win98-era machine, it would likely be horribly unsuited for this. Likely to be way underpowered in terms of processor speed, memory capacity, hard drive capacity, and motherboard/bus speed issues. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> 11/3/2008 12:05:46 PM Thanks Rick. No help from the University but MS technical support (Escalation Dept.) phoned me back after I pointed this out to them earlier today. Apparently, they fear they will be swamped with similar queries/complaints and in a few days there will be a solution on the www.theultimatesteal.co.uk (and other countries) web site. As for my setup, I built a new machine a few days ago and put on a full edition of Win98 (Goes really fast :-) and was quite a nostalgic experience) in preparation for the upgrade. There's also a trusty XP machine and I don't want to lose this OS in the upgrade. I take your point about a clean install though. Thanks. Dillon "Rick Rogers" <rick[ at ]mvps.org> wrote in message news:e$C%23JZaPJHA.4372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > "Richie Hardwick" <richiehardwick[ at ]yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote in message > news:9imsg49v2h0iebnbo790l9s92lol9o7ki1[ at ]4ax.com... >> "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote: >> >>>I'm surprised that "terms and conditions" indicate that you can use Win >>>98 >>>as a qualifying OS, because I've seen nothing to indicate that you can >>>use >>>any DOS-based version of Windows--including Windows 95, Windows 98, >>>Windows >>>98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition--or Windows NT (any >>>version) to upgrade to Vista. >> >> You are absolutely correct. > > As it applies to retail. This is not retail, this is a package for > education institutions and different rules and conditions apply. Microsoft > has long sponsored programs for colleges to distribute software to their > students far cheaper than mainstream, and the rules are often quite > different. > > Dillon, I suspect you probably need to order the disk per the offer > details as I don't know of any way of initiating the upgrade from within a > Win98 system. While it may be a qualifying OS, it won't actually upgrade > but rather it will be a clean installation. I would check with your > University's technical folks for additional assistance, they may be more > familiar with the program. > > A second concern would be installing Vista on a Win98-era machine, it > would likely be horribly unsuited for this. Likely to be way underpowered > in terms of processor speed, memory capacity, hard drive capacity, and > motherboard/bus speed issues. > > -- > Best of Luck, > > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org > My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> 11/6/2008 4:22:35 AM Dillon-- I wasn't aware of the possible inclusion of Win 98 in the packages for academic institutions Rick pointed out, and I'm admittedly confused as to why they would include anything to do with Win 98 SE or not unless there were a way to upgrade from it. Please let us know how it turns out. Good luck, CH "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> wrote in message news:enOEFyaPJHA.3936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Thanks Rick. > > No help from the University but MS technical support (Escalation Dept.) > phoned me back after I pointed this > out to them earlier today. > > Apparently, they fear they will be swamped with similar queries/complaints > and in a few days there will be a > solution on the www.theultimatesteal.co.uk (and other countries) web > site. > > As for my setup, I built a new machine a few days ago and put on a full > edition of Win98 (Goes really fast :-) and was quite a nostalgic > experience) in preparation for the upgrade. There's also a trusty XP > machine and I don't want to lose this OS in the upgrade. I take your point > about a clean install though. Thanks. > > Dillon > > > > > > "Rick Rogers" <rick[ at ]mvps.org> wrote in message > news:e$C%23JZaPJHA.4372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Richie Hardwick" <richiehardwick[ at ]yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote in message >> news:9imsg49v2h0iebnbo790l9s92lol9o7ki1[ at ]4ax.com... >>> "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote: >>> >>>>I'm surprised that "terms and conditions" indicate that you can use Win >>>>98 >>>>as a qualifying OS, because I've seen nothing to indicate that you can >>>>use >>>>any DOS-based version of Windows--including Windows 95, Windows 98, >>>>Windows >>>>98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition--or Windows NT (any >>>>version) to upgrade to Vista. >>> >>> You are absolutely correct. >> >> As it applies to retail. This is not retail, this is a package for >> education institutions and different rules and conditions apply. >> Microsoft has long sponsored programs for colleges to distribute software >> to their students far cheaper than mainstream, and the rules are often >> quite different. >> >> Dillon, I suspect you probably need to order the disk per the offer >> details as I don't know of any way of initiating the upgrade from within >> a Win98 system. While it may be a qualifying OS, it won't actually >> upgrade but rather it will be a clean installation. I would check with >> your University's technical folks for additional assistance, they may be >> more familiar with the program. >> >> A second concern would be installing Vista on a Win98-era machine, it >> would likely be horribly unsuited for this. Likely to be way underpowered >> in terms of processor speed, memory capacity, hard drive capacity, and >> motherboard/bus speed issues. >> >> -- >> Best of Luck, >> >> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ >> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org >> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com >

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> 11/6/2008 8:27:48 PM It's been quite a struggle so far and contrary to my initial high hopes of it being sorted quickly the issue has been passed higher and higher up the MS hierarchy. The thing that strikes me most is the abscence of anyone at MS who seems to know about the promotion and how to manage this problem. Even after pointing out the terms and conditions fairly senior people told me I had interpreted the relevant clause incorrectly. It took quite a time to convince them my interpretation was correct. So that's a small success at least. At the time of my original order, I requested a backup DVD also. This arrived today and turned out to be bootable. I installed the OS cleanly but now the product key I was given says it's only valid for an upgrade not a clean install. Yet another call to MS technical support. I'm told I will be contacted tomorrow with a valid key. This sounds hopeful but we'll see. If tomorrow does not end with an activated OS, frankly, I'm not sure what to do next as I've pretty much exhausted the usual channels. Anyway tomorrow... Let you know. Dillon "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote in message news:uhUWjd8PJHA.2392[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Dillon-- > > I wasn't aware of the possible inclusion of Win 98 in the packages for > academic institutions Rick pointed out, and I'm admittedly confused as to > why they would include anything to do with Win 98 SE or not unless there > were a way to upgrade from it. Please let us know how it turns out. > > Good luck, > > CH

Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade w/SP1 "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> 11/7/2008 2:03:28 PM Success! MS gave me a full product key this PM and OS now activated. Dillon "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote in message news:uhUWjd8PJHA.2392[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Dillon-- > > I wasn't aware of the possible inclusion of Win 98 in the packages for > academic institutions Rick pointed out, and I'm admittedly confused as to > why they would include anything to do with Win 98 SE or not unless there > were a way to upgrade from it. Please let us know how it turns out. > > Good luck, > > CH > > > "Dillon Farmer" <dillonfarmer[ at ]f2s.com> wrote in message > news:enOEFyaPJHA.3936[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Thanks Rick. >> >> No help from the University but MS technical support (Escalation Dept.) >> phoned me back after I pointed this >> out to them earlier today. >> >> Apparently, they fear they will be swamped with similar >> queries/complaints and in a few days there will be a >> solution on the www.theultimatesteal.co.uk (and other countries) web >> site. >> >> As for my setup, I built a new machine a few days ago and put on a full >> edition of Win98 (Goes really fast :-) and was quite a nostalgic >> experience) in preparation for the upgrade. There's also a trusty XP >> machine and I don't want to lose this OS in the upgrade. I take your >> point about a clean install though. Thanks. >> >> Dillon >> >> >> >> >> >> "Rick Rogers" <rick[ at ]mvps.org> wrote in message >> news:e$C%23JZaPJHA.4372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> "Richie Hardwick" <richiehardwick[ at ]yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:9imsg49v2h0iebnbo790l9s92lol9o7ki1[ at ]4ax.com... >>>> "Chad Harris" <CH[ at ]windows7.meshnet> wrote: >>>> >>>>>I'm surprised that "terms and conditions" indicate that you can use Win >>>>>98 >>>>>as a qualifying OS, because I've seen nothing to indicate that you can >>>>>use >>>>>any DOS-based version of Windows--including Windows 95, Windows 98, >>>>>Windows >>>>>98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition--or Windows NT (any >>>>>version) to upgrade to Vista. >>>> >>>> You are absolutely correct. >>> >>> As it applies to retail. This is not retail, this is a package for >>> education institutions and different rules and conditions apply. >>> Microsoft has long sponsored programs for colleges to distribute >>> software to their students far cheaper than mainstream, and the rules >>> are often quite different. >>> >>> Dillon, I suspect you probably need to order the disk per the offer >>> details as I don't know of any way of initiating the upgrade from within >>> a Win98 system. While it may be a qualifying OS, it won't actually >>> upgrade but rather it will be a clean installation. I would check with >>> your University's technical folks for additional assistance, they may be >>> more familiar with the program. >>> >>> A second concern would be installing Vista on a Win98-era machine, it >>> would likely be horribly unsuited for this. Likely to be way >>> underpowered in terms of processor speed, memory capacity, hard drive >>> capacity, and motherboard/bus speed issues. >>> >>> -- >>> Best of Luck, >>> >>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP >>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ >>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org >>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com >> >