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Backing up my computer
jojogig 10/12/2008 1:17:01 AM
Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that silly
should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL
Re: Backing up my computer
"Jim" <j.n[ at ]invalid.invalid> 10/12/2008 2:08:38 AM

"jojogig" <jojogig[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACB2EC2D-B87F-4B2A-9EE6-113AB5272163[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
> basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
> pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that
> silly
> should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
> good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
> directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
> somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
> advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL
1. Of course you can backup all of your files of whatever type.
2. I create backups of the system disk on a different disk. That way, I
can copy the backup files to DVDs at my convenience.
3. To select a new disk, you first determine the size of the backup files.
Then, you go buy a disk that can hold several of them
I buy my hard drives from Best Buy.
4. I would not use the built utility ntbackup because, in my configuration,
it is extremely difficult to get working right. Instead, I use Acronis True
Image.
This package is quite comprehensive, and you certainly need to study the
fine manual before striking out to perform a backup.
Jim


Re: Backing up my computer
"Twayne" <nobody[ at ]devnull.spamcop.net> 10/12/2008 2:25:55 AM
[Quoted Text]
> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a
> couple basic questions since I have never done this......can I back
> up everything pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to
> disc's? Or is that silly should I buy an external hard drive if so
> where to I begin on finding one good for me...any help would be
> appreciated not a complete bozo can follow directions and figure it
> out just dont wanna start screwing around with somthing I have not
> famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in advance and sorry
> for my poor spelling skilss LOL

I'm sure you'll get a few good responses here as that's been dicsussed
quite a few times. However, the best thing to do first might be to go
to wikipedia.com and look up backup. Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup
You'll get a LOT of good reading there and if nothing else more of a
feel for what the world of backup is all about. It will help you
phrasing questions for better results too, as you'll likely have a few
as you finally get going.

DEFINITELY learn how to back up. The very first time you use the
Restore feature, you will be very glad you did. And you "will" use it,
believe me, eventually, and likely sooner than later.

IMO, an external hard drive is the best way to go, and occasionally
(once a month in my case) supplement that with a backup copied onto
DVDs. I run a Full backup the first of every month and Incremental
backups every night in between and save them to a 500 Gig external USB
drive from Western Digital. WD just happens to be the brand I use;
nothing wrong with all the other brands available, in general. I use
Roxio software for burning DVDs etc., but Nero is free and so are a few
others.

If you can spare the cash, there are some good "imaging" programs
available like Ghost and True Image, easily under $100. And external USB
drive prices are very reasonable; sometimes under $100 also . IIRC I
paid $95 for my WD external drive a couple years ago.
Google and/or wikipedia will help with those, too. If cash is a
problem, XP's native ntbackup.exe is a perfectly functional and useful
albeit a little slower and lower featured way to back files up.
ntbackup is available both in Pro and Home versions but isn't installed
by default in the Home version. It can also be downloaded right from
MS's web site. With the exception of the external hard drive, you can
probably manage everything else without spending any money if you have
to. Oh, and for a spindle of DVDs to store your periodic permanent
storage backups on. You'll get a lot of explanation on how often and
all that to backup in the wikipedia reading of backup; lots of links
there to many related things.

The Help file for ntbackup will also teach you a lot about your disk
structure and file structures if you wish to read thru it.

All the best, happy reading, and good luck; you're doing the right
thing! Don't be afraid to ask questions. The only stupid or dumb
question is the one that doesn't get asked.

HTH

Twayne


Re: Backing up my computer
jojogig 10/12/2008 2:49:01 AM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I appreciate the info
jg

"Twayne" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> > Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a
> > couple basic questions since I have never done this......can I back
> > up everything pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to
> > disc's? Or is that silly should I buy an external hard drive if so
> > where to I begin on finding one good for me...any help would be
> > appreciated not a complete bozo can follow directions and figure it
> > out just dont wanna start screwing around with somthing I have not
> > famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in advance and sorry
> > for my poor spelling skilss LOL
>
> I'm sure you'll get a few good responses here as that's been dicsussed
> quite a few times. However, the best thing to do first might be to go
> to wikipedia.com and look up backup. Try:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup
> You'll get a LOT of good reading there and if nothing else more of a
> feel for what the world of backup is all about. It will help you
> phrasing questions for better results too, as you'll likely have a few
> as you finally get going.
>
> DEFINITELY learn how to back up. The very first time you use the
> Restore feature, you will be very glad you did. And you "will" use it,
> believe me, eventually, and likely sooner than later.
>
> IMO, an external hard drive is the best way to go, and occasionally
> (once a month in my case) supplement that with a backup copied onto
> DVDs. I run a Full backup the first of every month and Incremental
> backups every night in between and save them to a 500 Gig external USB
> drive from Western Digital. WD just happens to be the brand I use;
> nothing wrong with all the other brands available, in general. I use
> Roxio software for burning DVDs etc., but Nero is free and so are a few
> others.
>
> If you can spare the cash, there are some good "imaging" programs
> available like Ghost and True Image, easily under $100. And external USB
> drive prices are very reasonable; sometimes under $100 also . IIRC I
> paid $95 for my WD external drive a couple years ago.
> Google and/or wikipedia will help with those, too. If cash is a
> problem, XP's native ntbackup.exe is a perfectly functional and useful
> albeit a little slower and lower featured way to back files up.
> ntbackup is available both in Pro and Home versions but isn't installed
> by default in the Home version. It can also be downloaded right from
> MS's web site. With the exception of the external hard drive, you can
> probably manage everything else without spending any money if you have
> to. Oh, and for a spindle of DVDs to store your periodic permanent
> storage backups on. You'll get a lot of explanation on how often and
> all that to backup in the wikipedia reading of backup; lots of links
> there to many related things.
>
> The Help file for ntbackup will also teach you a lot about your disk
> structure and file structures if you wish to read thru it.
>
> All the best, happy reading, and good luck; you're doing the right
> thing! Don't be afraid to ask questions. The only stupid or dumb
> question is the one that doesn't get asked.
>
> HTH
>
> Twayne
>
>
>
Re: Backing up my computer
jojogig 10/12/2008 2:50:01 AM

Thanks a ton Jim I appreciate the info
jg
"Jim" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
>
> "jojogig" <jojogig[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ACB2EC2D-B87F-4B2A-9EE6-113AB5272163[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
> > basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
> > pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that
> > silly
> > should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
> > good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
> > directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
> > somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
> > advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL
> 1. Of course you can backup all of your files of whatever type.
> 2. I create backups of the system disk on a different disk. That way, I
> can copy the backup files to DVDs at my convenience.
> 3. To select a new disk, you first determine the size of the backup files.
> Then, you go buy a disk that can hold several of them
> I buy my hard drives from Best Buy.
> 4. I would not use the built utility ntbackup because, in my configuration,
> it is extremely difficult to get working right. Instead, I use Acronis True
> Image.
> This package is quite comprehensive, and you certainly need to study the
> fine manual before striking out to perform a backup.
> Jim
>
>
>
Re: Backing up my computer
"JS" <[ at ]> 10/12/2008 2:57:39 AM
Norton Ghost version 14 - has a 30 day trial available
(Trial does not allow you to create a Bootable Restore CD AFAK)
http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost14
Product Review "Symantec's 14th Ghost":
http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/windows/Norton-Ghost--Review-78775.shtml

True Image 2009 - has a 15 day trial version available,
(Trial version can create a Restore CD, but I have not verified this yet)
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

JS
http://www.pagestart.com


"jojogig" <jojogig[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACB2EC2D-B87F-4B2A-9EE6-113AB5272163[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
> basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
> pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that
> silly
> should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
> good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
> directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
> somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
> advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL


Re: Backing up my computer
Big_Al <BigAl[ at ]md.com> 10/12/2008 3:12:04 AM
jojogig wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
> basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
> pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that silly
> should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
> good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
> directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
> somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
> advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL

I would invest in a USB hard drive. They are usually rather easy to
install rather than putting a drive into a desktop. Much easier for
the average person. You format them and away you go, new drive. Also
if you want to put it into another PC its about as easy as unplug and
plugin. Works on the next PC you buy too.
Then pick a program like Acronis True Image. It will image (backup)
your whole drive. The image contains everything to restore your pc back
to exactly where it was when you backed it up. Nothing is lost if done
right.

This is the ideal arrangement. If your drive goes up, you simply put in
a new one, restore your last image and you never knew it happened.

There are also programs that will backup a complex selection of files
(and acronis will do it too) so you can just backup those important
items. Some will also allow you to put this type of backup on CD-R's.
I used to backup my pictures this way till the # of CDRW's or DVRW's
got way past too messy. And CD's are kinda unreliable. Now that I
have two backup drives (cheap at today's prices), its easy to make
backups in two different places to be sure one survives. But I mention
it as an option, too many backups is never wrong!

Newegg.com has had Acronis True Image on sale now and then. There is a
new version comming out and the current version 11 is sometimes on a
real good deal. Last one I saw was 10$. Even full price its 39-49$ and
when you think about the hell of losing all the months, years etc of
info on a PC, is $40 really that much.
Newegg also has these USB drives. Read the reviews, they do give you
some insight. Note, its not the only place for hardware and software.
There are a ton of great places to buy from. Each person has there
money pit, this is mine, so take that with a grain of salt.

Last option is to buy a larger thumb drive and backup just strategic
files. Its better than nothing, at least your email etc or word docs
would be saved. You can load the OS and apps relatively easy. But its
just not as easy as other options. But its still better than
scratching your head with no backups.

Either way, you're doing the right thing, backup! Good luck.
Re: Backing up my computer
"philo" <philo[ at ]privacy.net> 10/12/2008 10:51:36 AM

"jojogig" <jojogig[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACB2EC2D-B87F-4B2A-9EE6-113AB5272163[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
> basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
> pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that
silly
> should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
> good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
> directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
> somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
> advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL

You can never back up too often.

I'd actually go so far as to suggest *two* backups.


First off, just burn your data directly to DVD's...
no need to use any particular backup program


Secondly I'd also get an external drive and backup to that.

You can again, simply just copy the data over.


DVD's are cheap


and even a fairly large external drive is pretty low priced


Re: Backing up my computer
"TRCSr" <trcmail[ at ]intrstar.net> 10/12/2008 9:48:28 PM
I have always had good luck with IOmega drives. I currently have 2 (USB, of
course) on my primary computer. I use one for regular data and the other for
backups. They are extremely good price for the value and for me have been
quite reliable. Some of them come with a backup/restore program (IOmega
Automatic Back Pro) which is good to start with and then you can take your
time to look for the program that best suites you. If you go to the IOmega
website they quite often have specials and sales that usually beat the
prices at Best Buy and Circuit City, at lest that I have seen.

Good luck.

TRCSr

"jojogig" <jojogig[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACB2EC2D-B87F-4B2A-9EE6-113AB5272163[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a couple
> basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up everything
> pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or is that
> silly
> should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin on finding one
> good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete bozo can follow
> directions and figure it out just dont wanna start screwing around with
> somthing I have not famiuralized myself with first......thank a ton in
> advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss LOL

Re: Backing up my computer
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam[ at ]telus.net> 10/13/2008 5:15:42 PM

"Big_Al" <BigAl[ at ]md.com> wrote in message
news:%23FJGPhBLJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> jojogig wrote:
>> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a
>> couple basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up
>> everything pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or
>> is that silly should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin
>> on finding one good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete
>> bozo can follow directions and figure it out just dont wanna start
>> screwing around with somthing I have not famiuralized myself with
>> first......thank a ton in advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss
>> LOL
>
> I would invest in a USB hard drive. They are usually rather easy to
> install rather than putting a drive into a desktop. Much easier for the
> average person. You format them and away you go, new drive. Also if
> you want to put it into another PC its about as easy as unplug and plugin.
> Works on the next PC you buy too.
> Then pick a program like Acronis True Image. It will image (backup) your
> whole drive. The image contains everything to restore your pc back to
> exactly where it was when you backed it up. Nothing is lost if done
> right.
>
> This is the ideal arrangement. If your drive goes up, you simply put in a
> new one, restore your last image and you never knew it happened.
> ...

I concur, but advise also having one or two backups on DVDs so that,
with a rescue disk also created by True Image you can restore even
to a machine which is reduced to reading from nothing but its
CD/DVD drive. Then you can plug in your USB drive and do a
restore of your most recent backup.

I've restored using TI a handful of times, usually to deal with a
messed-up operating system but in one case because of a
totalled hard drive. It takes only one such experience to pay for
TI many times over.

I've also used TI's ability to restore individual files in less
cataclysmic cases such as a lost individual system file or an
ill-advised writing over of a data file such as a document.


Re: Backing up my computer
Big_Al <BigAl[ at ]md.com> 10/13/2008 9:54:07 PM
Anthony Buckland wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> "Big_Al" <BigAl[ at ]md.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FJGPhBLJHA.740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> jojogig wrote:
>>> Hi I am using windows xp and need to back up my computer and have a
>>> couple basic questions since I have never done this......can I back up
>>> everything pictures/music/files? To do so can I back it up to disc's? Or
>>> is that silly should I buy an external hard drive if so where to I begin
>>> on finding one good for me...any help would be appreciated not a complete
>>> bozo can follow directions and figure it out just dont wanna start
>>> screwing around with somthing I have not famiuralized myself with
>>> first......thank a ton in advance and sorry for my poor spelling skilss
>>> LOL
>> I would invest in a USB hard drive. They are usually rather easy to
>> install rather than putting a drive into a desktop. Much easier for the
>> average person. You format them and away you go, new drive. Also if
>> you want to put it into another PC its about as easy as unplug and plugin.
>> Works on the next PC you buy too.
>> Then pick a program like Acronis True Image. It will image (backup) your
>> whole drive. The image contains everything to restore your pc back to
>> exactly where it was when you backed it up. Nothing is lost if done
>> right.
>>
>> This is the ideal arrangement. If your drive goes up, you simply put in a
>> new one, restore your last image and you never knew it happened.
>> ...
>
> I concur, but advise also having one or two backups on DVDs so that,
> with a rescue disk also created by True Image you can restore even
> to a machine which is reduced to reading from nothing but its
> CD/DVD drive. Then you can plug in your USB drive and do a
> restore of your most recent backup.
>
> I've restored using TI a handful of times, usually to deal with a
> messed-up operating system but in one case because of a
> totalled hard drive. It takes only one such experience to pay for
> TI many times over.
>
> I've also used TI's ability to restore individual files in less
> cataclysmic cases such as a lost individual system file or an
> ill-advised writing over of a data file such as a document.
>
>
I didn't want to go there but you're right. I reloaded my laptop when
SP3 came out. When I finally cleaned the junk out of it, I got the
image under a DVD size. Now I have a boot CD for ATI and a DVD with a
virgin image. Even has a few apps and my mail setup so its ready to go.

It will take 10 minutes to apply the image as compared to the 6 hours it
took me to load XP, SP3, 5 apps, setup mail, customize the desktop etc.

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