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Working on a DRP Solution (and upgrading)
TimParker <timpar[ at ]gmail.com> 10/6/2008 4:15:01 PM
I am finally getting around to looking at our WSUS install. I started
with this agency about 6 months ago and the current install is working
great, but I would like to do two things. One is get us upgraded to
3.0 SP1 and two is to get a DRP document update in place on how to
rebuild this from backups, etc.

We have Build 2.0.0.2620, which I believe is 2.0 SP1. I have so far,
tried restoring a copy of our database SQL 2000 (SUSDB) and then
installing the 2.0 SP1 build file that I found on our network. When I
tell it to use the existing server, in this case SQL is installed on
the same box. It only shows me a DEFAULT in the database pull down.

Am I missing any steps between the Database restore and the software
install? After I can rebuild the current version and see it all work
on my test server then I am going to attempt upgrading it to 3.0.
Which I believe will switch to an internal MS database due to our SQL
version.

Thanks for any help on this issue.

Tim
Re: Working on a DRP Solution (and upgrading)
"Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> 10/6/2008 9:30:40 PM
"TimParker" <timpar[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56aaef6f-bea4-4abd-accd-18b566d24ef7[ at ]i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I am finally getting around to looking at our WSUS install. I started
> with this agency about 6 months ago and the current install is working
> great, but I would like to do two things. One is get us upgraded to
> 3.0 SP1 and two is to get a DRP document update in place on how to
> rebuild this from backups, etc.
>
> We have Build 2.0.0.2620, which I believe is 2.0 SP1. I have so far,
> tried restoring a copy of our database SQL 2000 (SUSDB) and then
> installing the 2.0 SP1 build file that I found on our network. When I
> tell it to use the existing server, in this case SQL is installed on
> the same box. It only shows me a DEFAULT in the database pull down.
>
> Am I missing any steps between the Database restore and the software
> install? After I can rebuild the current version and see it all work
> on my test server then I am going to attempt upgrading it to 3.0.
> Which I believe will switch to an internal MS database due to our SQL
> version.


Hi Tim.

With regard to your objective and your DRP document...

1. You may find it more expeditiuos to simply install a *fresh* copy of WSUS
3.0 SP1 rather than try to upgrade your current installation, no matter how
good it's currently working. Depending on the age of the install, and the
previous administrative maintenance efforts, your WSUS 2.0 installation may
be more clogged up with "unneeded" stuff than is worth the effort of
retaining through an upgrade.

2. As for the rebuild from backups, et.al. -- you'll find some different
perspectives on this, but my general take on backing up a WSUS Server really
depends on two things:
[a] How large and/or complex is the installation, and
[b] How much time can you afford to have the WSUS Server offline in case
of a catastrophic failure.

In general, rebuilding a WSUS Server doesn't take that much longer than it
would to do a 'restore' from tape (and tape will be a requirement due to the
multi-gigabyte size of the content store), but if you have stringent
auditing requirements, or an intense desire to maintain history, or a
complex group and approvals configuration, then backing up the database may
be an easier alternative.

If you determine that backing up the database is a preferable solution to
simply opting for a rebuild-from-scratch, I would suggest simply using the
built-in database backup tools in the SQL Server Management Studio, backing
up the database to a folder on the same level as the "WSUSContent" folder,
and then backing the whole collection to some offline/removable media.

As for the upgrade from WSUS 2.0 to WSUS 3.0 -- my first and strongest
suggestion is to thoroughly read the Release Notes, Getting Started
guide(s), and Deployment Guide; then reading them a second time; and then
doing the upgrade in a test environment, before the production environment.
The most notable concern is that your existing WSUS 2.0/SQL2000
installation, when upgraded, will cause the installation of an independent
installation of the "Windows Internal Database" on your front-end server,
unless you first address the underlying upgrade from SQL 2000 to SQL 2005.

Also, reading the entire history of this forum (should be 120 days of
history available on the server) will offer significant insight into the
several and various issues you might encounter during the process.

If you have specific questions along the way -- feel free to ask!


--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin

Re: Working on a DRP Solution (and upgrading)
TimParker <timpar[ at ]gmail.com> 10/7/2008 3:56:14 PM
Thanks Lawrence. I did some more work after posting this and was able
to get it working. I got a couple things backwards. I put the
proverbial cart in front of the horse, or should I say Database in
front of the software install.....

I restored the existing DB to SQL and then did the install and it
wouldn't see/find/use it. But when I let it create a new one and then
did the restore. My groups, and such all showed up fine.

I think you might be right, I had a talk yesterday with the Executive
Director here and he filled me in on some more history of this
install. Apparently one of my predecessors had this thing so screwed
up at one point that he was destroying machines faster than he was
patching them. He was more worried about getting them out and
installed than testing to make sure that they didn't crash any of our
custom apps and such.

We are unfortunately tied right now to SQL 2000. We have a Medical
Scheduling/Billing app that is tied to it. Once we get it upgraded we
can supposedly upgrade to a newer version of SQL but that is another
whole testing session.

I think I might just do an uninstall and re-install the new 3.0 SP1 as
it will be on the same server and it does a few other things and I
don't want to rebuild the whole thing. Might actually be to my
advantage.

Can I change later from the internal DB to SQL 2005 when we get that
or does it require a install again?

Thanks again for the pointers and info! Much Appreciated.

Tim

On Oct 6, 5:30 pm, "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> "TimParker" <tim...[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:56aaef6f-bea4-4abd-accd-18b566d24ef7[ at ]i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >I am finally getting around to looking at our WSUS install. I started
> > with this agency about 6 months ago and the current install is working
> > great, but I would like to do two things. One is get us upgraded to
> > 3.0 SP1 and two is to get a DRP document update in place on how to
> > rebuild this from backups, etc.
>
> > We have Build 2.0.0.2620, which I believe is 2.0 SP1. I have so far,
> > tried restoring a copy of our database SQL 2000 (SUSDB) and then
> > installing the 2.0 SP1 build file that I found on our network. When I
> > tell it to use the existing server, in this case SQL is installed on
> > the same box. It only shows me a DEFAULT in the database pull down.
>
> > Am I missing any steps between the Database restore and the software
> > install? After I can rebuild the current version and see it all work
> > on my test server then I am going to attempt upgrading it to 3.0.
> > Which I believe will switch to an internal MS database due to our SQL
> > version.
>
> Hi Tim.
>
> With regard to your objective and your DRP document...
>
> 1. You may find it more expeditiuos to simply install a *fresh* copy of WSUS
> 3.0 SP1 rather than try to upgrade your current installation, no matter how
> good it's currently working. Depending on the age of the install, and the
> previous administrative maintenance efforts, your WSUS 2.0 installation may
> be more clogged up with "unneeded" stuff than is worth the effort of
> retaining through an upgrade.
>
> 2. As for the rebuild from backups, et.al. -- you'll find some different
> perspectives on this, but my general take on backing up a WSUS Server really
> depends on two things:
>     [a] How large and/or complex is the installation, and
>     [b] How much time can you afford to have the WSUS Server offline in case
> of a catastrophic failure.
>
> In general, rebuilding a WSUS Server doesn't take that much longer than it
> would to do a 'restore' from tape (and tape will be a requirement due to the
> multi-gigabyte size of the content store), but if you have stringent
> auditing requirements, or an intense desire to maintain history, or a
> complex group and approvals configuration, then backing up the database may
> be an easier alternative.
>
> If you determine that backing up the database is a preferable solution to
> simply opting for a rebuild-from-scratch, I would suggest simply using the
> built-in database backup tools in the SQL Server Management Studio, backing
> up the database to a folder on the same level as the "WSUSContent" folder,
> and then backing the whole collection to some offline/removable media.
>
> As for the upgrade from WSUS 2.0 to WSUS 3.0 -- my first and strongest
> suggestion is to thoroughly read the Release Notes, Getting Started
> guide(s), and Deployment Guide; then reading them a second time; and then
> doing the upgrade in a test environment, before the production environment.
> The most notable concern is that your existing WSUS 2.0/SQL2000
> installation, when upgraded, will cause the installation of an independent
> installation of the "Windows Internal Database" on your front-end server,
> unless you first address the underlying upgrade from SQL 2000 to SQL 2005..
>
> Also, reading the entire history of this forum (should be 120 days of
> history available on the server) will offer significant insight into the
> several and various issues you might encounter during the process.
>
> If you have specific questions along the way -- feel free to ask!
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
> Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
>
> MS WSUS Website:http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My Websites:http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
> My MVP Profile:http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: Working on a DRP Solution (and upgrading)
"Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> 10/7/2008 7:29:25 PM
"TimParker" <timpar[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6b8a87e7-0e4e-41bc-91f8-069cf1a65013[ at ]h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

[Quoted Text]
>I think I might just do an uninstall and re-install the new 3.0 SP1 as
>it will be on the same server and it does a few other things and I
>don't want to rebuild the whole thing. Might actually be to my
>advantage.

I think you'll find that WSUS 3.0 performs as well, if not better, on the
(SQL 2005 based) Windows Internal Database, than WSUS 2.0 does on your
existing SQL 2000 installation -- more or less depending on the current load
and resources available to your SQL 2000 server.


>Can I change later from the internal DB to SQL 2005

You can. In fact, the WSUS 3.0 installation doesn't even require an
"installer" to be run on the SQL Server 2005 back-end server, it merely will
require a minor reconfiguration of the installed WSUS 3.0 existing server.
These requirements are quite well documented, and I don't believe you'll
have any issue whatsoever making such a conversion should you so desire.

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin

Re: Working on a DRP Solution (and upgrading)
TimParker <timpar[ at ]gmail.com> 10/7/2008 9:42:23 PM
Thats great. My environment is relatively small compared to most. We
have about 60 PCs and about 7 Servers at the moment. So not much
really.

On Oct 7, 3:29 pm, "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> "TimParker" <tim...[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6b8a87e7-0e4e-41bc-91f8-069cf1a65013[ at ]h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I think I might just do an uninstall and re-install the new 3.0 SP1 as
> >it will be on the same server and it does a few other things and I
> >don't want to rebuild the whole thing. Might actually be to my
> >advantage.
>
> I think you'll find that WSUS 3.0 performs as well, if not better, on the
> (SQL 2005 based) Windows Internal Database, than WSUS 2.0 does on your
> existing SQL 2000 installation -- more or less depending on the current load
> and resources available to your SQL 2000 server.
>
> >Can I change later from the internal DB to SQL 2005
>
> You can. In fact, the WSUS 3.0 installation doesn't even require an
> "installer" to be run on the SQL Server 2005 back-end server, it merely will
> require a minor reconfiguration of the installed WSUS 3.0 existing server..
> These requirements are quite well documented, and I don't believe you'll
> have any issue whatsoever making such a conversion should you so desire.
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
> Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
>
> MS WSUS Website:http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My Websites:http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
> My MVP Profile:http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin

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