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Windows Update
"Ed Wyche" <none[ at ]none.com> 10/16/2008 10:52:23 PM
I was wondering when the updates actually download to the computer. I have
some computer that have long bootup and logins into the domain. I was
wondering if the updates are downloaded when the computer first boots up.
These are XP computers. If that is true is there away to delay the updates
from downloading. I think I remember seeing an option in Vista to delay
update download.

Thanks
Ed



Re: Windows Update
"Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> 10/17/2008 2:18:35 AM
"Ed Wyche" <none[ at ]none.com> wrote in message
news:87E707F0-BACA-4FCF-A9FF-0516FE79181E[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I was wondering when the updates actually download to the computer.

Generally they download to the client computer immediately after the client
computer successfully executes the detection event, and determines that
there are updates that are needed.

> I have
> some computer that have long bootup and logins into the domain. I was
> wondering if the updates are downloaded when the computer first boots up.

Generally, no. On the off chance that a computer was powered down while
updates were being downloaded, the downloads would be auto-resumed by the
BITS service, when the BITS service restarts -- which would be shortly after
the bootup starts, but generally long before a user actually presses
Ctrl-Alt-Delete to log on.

But, even if they were, BITS activity would not be interfering with other
normal network activity, since BITS works on a "bandwidth available"
condition.

In order to further diagnose this situation, you need to isolate whether you
have [a] a long bootup sequence, [b] a long logon sequence, or [c] both
which would indicate two separate (but possibly related) issues.

Long bootup sequences are generally symptomatic of one or more of the
following:
[a] network delays during the "Network Settings" phase of the bootup
sequence, which can be the result of defects in DHCP (trying to get an IP
Address); or
[b] DNS (trying to locate the IP Address of the DC); or
[c] AD/GPO (poor response time from the Domain Controller trying to get
the computer policies); or
[d] excessive policies being transferred during the "Computer Settings"
phase of the bootup sequence, or [c] other timeouts caused by services
failing to start up.

Long logon sequences are generally symptomatic of one or more of the
following:
[a] AD (poor response time from the Domain Controller trying to
authenticate the user; or
[b] AD/GPO (poor response time from the Domain Controller trying to get
the user policies); or
[c] Netlogon (issues with logon scripts -- i.e., commands timing out,
inefficient scripting); or
[d] Local Startup (issues with auto-start applications, either
registry-based or defined in the Startup folder).


There is, however, a known issue that relates to a certain combination of
Office 2003 RTM components and older WUA clients, that resulted in 100% CPU
utilization in the svchost.exe that manages the Automatic Updates service.
This issue should be non-existent on WSUS 3 systems; however, it has been
reported (and still unresolved) in a few cases of WSUS 3 systems.

To isolate this particular issue, set the Automatic Updates service on the
client to DISABLED and reboot -- with nothing else changed, if the long
bootup/logon times disappear, it's possible that svchost.exe is the culprit.

If you see no change in behavior, then refer back to the typical issues
known to contribute to this behavior.



--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin

Re: Windows Update
"Ed Wyche" <none[ at ]none.com> 10/17/2008 10:58:00 AM
Does that usually happen when the computer first boots up?

"Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> wrote in message
news:Ou9Rp6$LJHA.3504[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> "Ed Wyche" <none[ at ]none.com> wrote in message
> news:87E707F0-BACA-4FCF-A9FF-0516FE79181E[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>I was wondering when the updates actually download to the computer.
>
> Generally they download to the client computer immediately after the
> client computer successfully executes the detection event, and determines
> that there are updates that are needed.
>
>> I have
>> some computer that have long bootup and logins into the domain. I was
>> wondering if the updates are downloaded when the computer first boots up.
>
> Generally, no. On the off chance that a computer was powered down while
> updates were being downloaded, the downloads would be auto-resumed by the
> BITS service, when the BITS service restarts -- which would be shortly
> after the bootup starts, but generally long before a user actually presses
> Ctrl-Alt-Delete to log on.
>
> But, even if they were, BITS activity would not be interfering with other
> normal network activity, since BITS works on a "bandwidth available"
> condition.
>
> In order to further diagnose this situation, you need to isolate whether
> you have [a] a long bootup sequence, [b] a long logon sequence, or [c]
> both which would indicate two separate (but possibly related) issues.
>
> Long bootup sequences are generally symptomatic of one or more of the
> following:
> [a] network delays during the "Network Settings" phase of the bootup
> sequence, which can be the result of defects in DHCP (trying to get an IP
> Address); or
> [b] DNS (trying to locate the IP Address of the DC); or
> [c] AD/GPO (poor response time from the Domain Controller trying to get
> the computer policies); or
> [d] excessive policies being transferred during the "Computer Settings"
> phase of the bootup sequence, or [c] other timeouts caused by services
> failing to start up.
>
> Long logon sequences are generally symptomatic of one or more of the
> following:
> [a] AD (poor response time from the Domain Controller trying to
> authenticate the user; or
> [b] AD/GPO (poor response time from the Domain Controller trying to get
> the user policies); or
> [c] Netlogon (issues with logon scripts -- i.e., commands timing out,
> inefficient scripting); or
> [d] Local Startup (issues with auto-start applications, either
> registry-based or defined in the Startup folder).
>
>
> There is, however, a known issue that relates to a certain combination of
> Office 2003 RTM components and older WUA clients, that resulted in 100%
> CPU utilization in the svchost.exe that manages the Automatic Updates
> service. This issue should be non-existent on WSUS 3 systems; however, it
> has been reported (and still unresolved) in a few cases of WSUS 3 systems.
>
> To isolate this particular issue, set the Automatic Updates service on the
> client to DISABLED and reboot -- with nothing else changed, if the long
> bootup/logon times disappear, it's possible that svchost.exe is the
> culprit.
>
> If you see no change in behavior, then refer back to the typical issues
> known to contribute to this behavior.
>
>
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
> Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
>
> MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
> http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
> My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
>
Re: Windows Update
"Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> 10/17/2008 3:46:09 PM
"Ed Wyche" <none[ at ]none.com> wrote in message
news:77D0098E-8F0C-4686-8085-AC358B37800F[ at ]microsoft.com...

[Quoted Text]
> Does that usually happen when the computer first boots up?

Hmmm.. I thought I answered that question. :-)

> "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence[ at ]nospam> wrote in message
> news:Ou9Rp6$LJHA.3504[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> I was
>>> wondering if the updates are downloaded when the computer first boots
>>> up.
>>
>> Generally, no. On the off chance that a computer was powered down while
>> updates were being downloaded, the downloads would be auto-resumed by the
>> BITS service, when the BITS service restarts -- which would be shortly
>> after the bootup starts, but generally long before a user actually
>> presses Ctrl-Alt-Delete to log on.

Or were you asking a different question, out of context, for which I have no
context to interpret the question?

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin

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