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I used Windows Update to haul down some nvidia SATA drivers for Vista
Ultimate 64-bit. Now, I have been getting messages that my hardware has
changed and that I need to activate Windows. Vista was installed using
an OEM DVD and my understanding is that it is keyed to the motherboard
rather than other hardware changes. What makes this so bizarre is that
there have been no hardware changes.
Any ideas?
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The hard drive is a key component in the Vista hardware hash used for
activation. Much more so than with XP. It sounds like the driver changed
how the drive was seen so in that sense probably does look like a hardware
change.
Not all OEM dvd's are BIOS locked. Only those provided by one of the major
system builders are. The OEM dvd's sold by retailers like NewEgg certainly
are not BIOS locked. If your Vista was preinstalled (it doesn't sound like
it) only then could it be BIOS locked, but otherwise I'm sure its not. When
a BIOS locked OEM copy is used you should not see activation at all. It
isn't needed.
"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <fdzerzhinsky[ at ]kgb.su> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > I used Windows Update to haul down some nvidia SATA drivers for Vista
> Ultimate 64-bit. Now, I have been getting messages that my hardware has
> changed and that I need to activate Windows. Vista was installed using
> an OEM DVD and my understanding is that it is keyed to the motherboard
> rather than other hardware changes. What makes this so bizarre is that
> there have been no hardware changes.
>
> Any ideas?
Does it actually fail to reactivate?
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Homer J. Simpson wrote:
[Quoted Text] >
> Does it actually fail to reactivate?
>
>
Haven't tried yet. The fact that this happens due to a driver update
and not an actual hardware change, seems like something that would
irritate a lot of folks.
If I am forced to activate, I hope it tells me I have to call in.
Screaming at someone is always so much more satisfying than typing with
the caps lock on. ;-)
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Iron Feliks
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[Quoted Text] > Haven't tried yet. The fact that this happens due to a driver update
> and not an actual hardware change, seems like something that would
> irritate a lot of folks.
>
> If I am forced to activate, I hope it tells me I have to call in.
> Screaming at someone is always so much more satisfying than typing with
> the caps lock on. ;-)
Oh, I see...you're inconvenienced enough to want to scream at somebody and
that'll make you feel superior to Microsoft by pointing out their stupidity.
Personally, I'd just click the button and carry on with my life, but hey,
it's a free world.
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Homer J. Simpson wrote:
[Quoted Text] >> Haven't tried yet. The fact that this happens due to a driver update
>> and not an actual hardware change, seems like something that would
>> irritate a lot of folks.
>>
>> If I am forced to activate, I hope it tells me I have to call in.
>> Screaming at someone is always so much more satisfying than typing with
>> the caps lock on. ;-)
>
> Oh, I see...you're inconvenienced enough to want to scream at somebody and
> that'll make you feel superior to Microsoft by pointing out their stupidity.
>
> Personally, I'd just click the button and carry on with my life, but hey,
> it's a free world.
>
>
Actually, it is just that I get so few chances to make a toll-free call
to India. Or is it Singapore?
I always feel superior to folks who just go through their little scripts
while being totally clueless as to the cause of the problem. It is
always a bit irritating when dealing with people who think working
around the problem is the same as fixing it.
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Iron Feliks
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Feliks Dzerzhinsky wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Actually, it is just that I get so few chances to make a toll-free call
> to India. Or is it Singapore?
>
> I always feel superior to folks who just go through their little scripts
> while being totally clueless as to the cause of the problem. It is
> always a bit irritating when dealing with people who think working
> around the problem is the same as fixing it.
>
> - --
> Iron Feliks
How can you feel superior talking to a person whose prime
function in life is to help you fix your problem? The
people you call for activation are not technical people,
their mission in life is to help you accomplish a goal -
activate your system. They are not trying to troubleshoot
or fix anything!
If you think ranting and raving at someone who's mission is
to help you, then I would tend to think you may need some
serious counseling to work out your problems because
apparently you have at least one!!!
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Theo wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Feliks Dzerzhinsky wrote:
>> Actually, it is just that I get so few chances to make a toll-free call
>> to India. Or is it Singapore?
>>
>> I always feel superior to folks who just go through their little scripts
>> while being totally clueless as to the cause of the problem. It is
>> always a bit irritating when dealing with people who think working
>> around the problem is the same as fixing it.
>>
>> - --
>> Iron Feliks
>
> How can you feel superior talking to a person whose prime function in
> life is to help you fix your problem? The people you call for
> activation are not technical people, their mission in life is to help
> you accomplish a goal - activate your system. They are not trying to
> troubleshoot or fix anything!
>
> If you think ranting and raving at someone who's mission is to help you,
> then I would tend to think you may need some serious counseling to work
> out your problems because apparently you have at least one!!!
Actually, their mission isn't to help me fix either my or their problem.
Their mission is limit the damage from the problem. Fixing the problem
would require and update that prevented Windows from requiring
activation after a change of software.
Since it is unlikely that I would ever get a chance to converse with the
person responsible for the problem, I have to settle for whoever I can
converse with.
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Iron Feliks
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> Trolls are like babies. If you feed them, they poop in their diapers.
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Theo wrote:
[Quoted Text] >>
>> Trolls are like babies. If you feed them, they poop in their diapers.
I changed it. Hope this one is better. ;-)
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Iron Feliks
Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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[Quoted Text] > Actually, their mission isn't to help me fix either my or their problem.
> Their mission is limit the damage from the problem. Fixing the problem
> would require and update that prevented Windows from requiring
> activation after a change of software.
>
> Since it is unlikely that I would ever get a chance to converse with the
> person responsible for the problem, I have to settle for whoever I can
> converse with.
That may be so, but it sounds like you're more interested in the opportunity
to scream at somebody than actually getting the problem fixed.
So go right ahead, I'm sure your screaming will get them to escalate the
problem immediately to someone who can actually do something about it.
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Homer J. Simpson wrote:
[Quoted Text] >> Actually, their mission isn't to help me fix either my or their problem.
>> Their mission is limit the damage from the problem. Fixing the problem
>> would require and update that prevented Windows from requiring
>> activation after a change of software.
>>
>> Since it is unlikely that I would ever get a chance to converse with the
>> person responsible for the problem, I have to settle for whoever I can
>> converse with.
>
> That may be so, but it sounds like you're more interested in the opportunity
> to scream at somebody than actually getting the problem fixed.
>
> So go right ahead, I'm sure your screaming will get them to escalate the
> problem immediately to someone who can actually do something about it.
>
>
I seriously doubt anyone will do anything about it. It is probably an
infrequent occurance and may not be reproduceable.
The most likely scenario is that if Vista insists on being activated, I
will do it online and go on, but with a much lower level of confidence
in it.
If it doesn't, I may not actually scream at someone. I have found that
speaking softly, forces people to actually listen. But, I can guarantee
that the person I speak with will not find it a pleasant experience.
In this politically correct world, that may be frowned upon, but if I am
going to be inconvenienced, I will share the pain.
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Iron Feliks
Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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Homer J. Simpson wrote:
[Quoted Text] >> Actually, their mission isn't to help me fix either my or their problem.
>> Their mission is limit the damage from the problem. Fixing the problem
>> would require and update that prevented Windows from requiring
>> activation after a change of software.
>>
>> Since it is unlikely that I would ever get a chance to converse with the
>> person responsible for the problem, I have to settle for whoever I can
>> converse with.
>
> That may be so, but it sounds like you're more interested in the opportunity
> to scream at somebody than actually getting the problem fixed.
>
> So go right ahead, I'm sure your screaming will get them to escalate the
> problem immediately to someone who can actually do something about it.
>
>
You turned out to be right. Screaming at a drone in India wouldn't be
satisfying. He was obviously programmed to be pleasant under any
circumstance. It was also obvious he had no technical knowledge whatever.
I don't even think talking to someone on the phone would be helpful,
now. I am so angry that only a face to face confrontation will do. I
want to see someone's face when I ask if the activation module was coded
by a room full of chimpanzees. There is absolutely no excuse for
requiring activation because I upgraded the SATA drivers. I have used
every version of Windows since version 1.0 and I have never seen
anything so stupid. I have no objection to preventing piracy, but this
system is brain-dead
I'm shutting the computer down for the night because I am so angry that
I won't get anything worthwhile done.
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Iron Feliks
Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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What you've seen, Feliks, is proof of Einstein's insightful remark that "the
difference between Genius and Idiocy, is that Genius is limited"!
This is further emphasized, by a Registry Hack, employed by MS, and
therefore apparently legal, to expand the Activation Free period to years -
perhaps even infinitely. I cannot remember where I saw this, but you might
in your anger be able to smoke it out on your own?
It may, on reflection, not remain a good idea over time, but may come to
good use during your cooling-down period(s).
(It's things like this, that has had me running at least one Linux machine
for many years now. Not that it negates [E's] remark in any way, but there's
a healthy difference in the difference.)
Tony. . .
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[Quoted Text] > >> Since it is unlikely that I would ever get a chance to converse with the
> >> person responsible for the problem, I have to settle for whoever I can
> >> converse with.
>
> > That may be so, but it sounds like you're more interested in the opportunity
> > to scream at somebody than actually getting the problem fixed.
>
> > So go right ahead, I'm sure your screaming will get them to escalate the
> > problem immediately to someone who can actually do something about it.
>
> I seriously doubt anyone will do anything about it. It is probably an
> infrequent occurance and may not be reproduceable.
>
> The most likely scenario is that if Vista insists on being activated, I
> will do it online and go on, but with a much lower level of confidence
> in it.
>
> If it doesn't, I may not actually scream at someone. I have found that
> speaking softly, forces people to actually listen. But, I can guarantee
> that the person I speak with will not find it a pleasant experience.
>
> In this politically correct world, that may be frowned upon, but if I am
> going to be inconvenienced, I will share the pain.
> Iron Feliks
Hi,
I just thought I'd add my 2 cents. I, too, enjoy screaming at
Microsoft. And, those people supposed to be "helping" are actually
*agents* of the people *causing* the harm. I am tired of having to
keep reactivating the *same* operating system on the *same* system.
In fact, I keep the (800) activation number in a file so I have it
ready to call. Sometimes it can take as long as one-half hour to get
the new activation code, *and* you have to talk to *several* levels of
Microsoft "employees." (Representatives all over the world.) I
usually try to start with a supervisor if I can, but sometimes the
person who answers the call will actually solve the problem.)
Upgrading BIOSes, changing drivers, and flashing firmware, all seems
to speed up the reactivation process. I've always wondered whether
anyone at Microsoft actually *uses* the products they sell. I have
better things to do with my time than to call Microsoft every few
months and yell at somebody. I'd rather be yelling at my wife or my
dog. <g>
Jim
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Tony:
120 days trick, no registry tampering.
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/02/20/official-way-to-install-and-use-windows-vista-without-activation-for-free-for-120-days/
1 year trick (legal, with registry modification) and indefinite time trick
(illegal, by stopping countdown timers)
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/03/16/how-to-run-windows-vista-without-activation-forever/
Carlos
"Tony Sperling" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > What you've seen, Feliks, is proof of Einstein's insightful remark that "the
> difference between Genius and Idiocy, is that Genius is limited"!
>
> This is further emphasized, by a Registry Hack, employed by MS, and
> therefore apparently legal, to expand the Activation Free period to years -
> perhaps even infinitely. I cannot remember where I saw this, but you might
> in your anger be able to smoke it out on your own?
>
> It may, on reflection, not remain a good idea over time, but may come to
> good use during your cooling-down period(s).
>
>
> (It's things like this, that has had me running at least one Linux machine
> for many years now. Not that it negates [E's] remark in any way, but there's
> a healthy difference in the difference.)
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
>
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Good work, Carlos!
It's far too often that I stumble onto this kind of stuff and forgetting to
save it as a favorite, perhaps I should come up with a IE plug-in that
automagically orders the links history into cross-referencable tables - ah,
but you probably already have a link to something like that?
Tony. . .
"Carlos" <Carlos[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Tony:
> 120 days trick, no registry tampering.
>
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/02/20/official-way-to-install-and-use-windows-vista-without-activation-for-free-for-120-days/
>
> 1 year trick (legal, with registry modification) and indefinite time trick
> (illegal, by stopping countdown timers)
>
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/03/16/how-to-run-windows-vista-without-activation-forever/
>
> Carlos
>
> "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>
> > What you've seen, Feliks, is proof of Einstein's insightful remark that
"the
> > difference between Genius and Idiocy, is that Genius is limited"!
> >
> > This is further emphasized, by a Registry Hack, employed by MS, and
> > therefore apparently legal, to expand the Activation Free period to
years -
> > perhaps even infinitely. I cannot remember where I saw this, but you
might
> > in your anger be able to smoke it out on your own?
> >
> > It may, on reflection, not remain a good idea over time, but may come to
> > good use during your cooling-down period(s).
> >
> >
> > (It's things like this, that has had me running at least one Linux
machine
> > for many years now. Not that it negates [E's] remark in any way, but
there's
> > a healthy difference in the difference.)
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Tony Sperling wrote:
[Quoted Text] > What you've seen, Feliks, is proof of Einstein's insightful remark that "the
> difference between Genius and Idiocy, is that Genius is limited"!
>
> This is further emphasized, by a Registry Hack, employed by MS, and
> therefore apparently legal, to expand the Activation Free period to years -
> perhaps even infinitely. I cannot remember where I saw this, but you might
> in your anger be able to smoke it out on your own?
>
> It may, on reflection, not remain a good idea over time, but may come to
> good use during your cooling-down period(s).
>
>
> (It's things like this, that has had me running at least one Linux machine
> for many years now. Not that it negates [E's] remark in any way, but there's
> a healthy difference in the difference.)
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
I downloaded the no activation forever crack. If this nonsense ever
occurs again, I am prepared. Not legal, but the way I see it, if I did
nothing that violated the license and did not make any hardware, then
the attempt to void the license by the software contained in Vista was
illegal. Had this not been (at least for now) resolved, I would have
been happy to give the MS legal team some exercize.
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Iron Feliks
Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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Tony:
I just keep my favorites neatly organized in folders.
Carlos
"Tony Sperling" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Good work, Carlos! > > It's far too often that I stumble onto this kind of stuff and forgetting to > save it as a favorite, perhaps I should come up with a IE plug-in that > automagically orders the links history into cross-referencable tables - ah, > but you probably already have a link to something like that? > > > Tony. . . > > > "Carlos" <Carlos[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E614824D-96B1-4937-845A-22FC92166CD8[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Tony: > > 120 days trick, no registry tampering. > > > http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/02/20/official-way-to-install-and-use-windows-vista-without-activation-for-free-for-120-days/> > > > 1 year trick (legal, with registry modification) and indefinite time trick > > (illegal, by stopping countdown timers) > > > http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/03/16/how-to-run-windows-vista-without-activation-forever/> > > > Carlos > > > > "Tony Sperling" wrote: > > > > > What you've seen, Feliks, is proof of Einstein's insightful remark that > "the > > > difference between Genius and Idiocy, is that Genius is limited"! > > > > > > This is further emphasized, by a Registry Hack, employed by MS, and > > > therefore apparently legal, to expand the Activation Free period to > years - > > > perhaps even infinitely. I cannot remember where I saw this, but you > might > > > in your anger be able to smoke it out on your own? > > > > > > It may, on reflection, not remain a good idea over time, but may come to > > > good use during your cooling-down period(s). > > > > > > > > > (It's things like this, that has had me running at least one Linux > machine > > > for many years now. Not that it negates [E's] remark in any way, but > there's > > > a healthy difference in the difference.) > > > > > > > > > Tony. . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Yeah, nice system - that's what I'm trying to remember not to forget.
Tony. . .
"Carlos" <Carlos[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1A511D5E-A071-429F-824E-B3F9BDE6C91E[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > Tony:
> I just keep my favorites neatly organized in folders.
> Carlos
>
> "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>
> > Good work, Carlos!
> >
> > It's far too often that I stumble onto this kind of stuff and forgetting
to
> > save it as a favorite, perhaps I should come up with a IE plug-in that
> > automagically orders the links history into cross-referencable tables -
ah,
> > but you probably already have a link to something like that?
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> > "Carlos" <Carlos[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:E614824D-96B1-4937-845A-22FC92166CD8[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > > Tony:
> > > 120 days trick, no registry tampering.
> > >
> >
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/02/20/official-way-to-install-and-use-windows-vista-without-activation-for-free-for-120-days/
> > >
> > > 1 year trick (legal, with registry modification) and indefinite time
trick
> > > (illegal, by stopping countdown timers)
> > >
> >
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/03/16/how-to-run-windows-vista-without-activation-forever/
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
> > >
> > > > What you've seen, Feliks, is proof of Einstein's insightful remark
that
> > "the
> > > > difference between Genius and Idiocy, is that Genius is limited"!
> > > >
> > > > This is further emphasized, by a Registry Hack, employed by MS, and
> > > > therefore apparently legal, to expand the Activation Free period to
> > years -
> > > > perhaps even infinitely. I cannot remember where I saw this, but you
> > might
> > > > in your anger be able to smoke it out on your own?
> > > >
> > > > It may, on reflection, not remain a good idea over time, but may
come to
> > > > good use during your cooling-down period(s).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (It's things like this, that has had me running at least one Linux
> > machine
> > > > for many years now. Not that it negates [E's] remark in any way, but
> > there's
> > > > a healthy difference in the difference.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony. . .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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Feliks, I just did the same update and got the same result you did. Phone
activation required. I noticed that the activation wizard was telling me
that my product key was no longer valid and offering to show me how to
obtain a valid one. Do you remember if you saw that additional option in
the list of options on how to proceed (activate online now, remind me later,
etc)? What may be happening is that the update is resetting the Genuine
Windows flag from yes to no. Just a guess there, but that would cause the
"piracy" option to appear in the activation wizard options. It is not a
standard option.
"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <fdzerzhinsky[ at ]kgb.su> wrote in message
news:uuFfoqnlHHA.1532[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > I used Windows Update to haul down some nvidia SATA drivers for Vista > Ultimate 64-bit. Now, I have been getting messages that my hardware has > changed and that I need to activate Windows. Vista was installed using > an OEM DVD and my understanding is that it is keyed to the motherboard > rather than other hardware changes. What makes this so bizarre is that > there have been no hardware changes. > > Any ideas? > - -- > Iron Feliks > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org> > iD8DBQFGSOhOIEgejQPpTu4RCtFFAJ0fLVeVxn6ZJv6Rcq3D/d+XST/DzwCfbLSI > VLOY9UISWlEDuJhURUOhOPc= > =sNQP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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