Reliability Update (KB936357)? "TJD" <TJDanon[ at ]cox.net> 6/26/2007 1:13:55 AM Does anyone know about this (6/11/07) Microsoft update that is supposed to improve reliability with Vista and Intel processors. Should I apply this update? It has not been included in Vista's "Windows Update" list, but is available on Microsoft's download site: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad3cf1e5-e093-44f0-bbd0-c6e0380dd3f9&DisplayLang=en

RE: Reliability Update (KB936357)? Jen Larkin 6/27/2007 9:08:05 AM "TJD" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Does anyone know about this (6/11/07) Microsoft update that is supposed to > improve reliability with Vista and Intel processors. I would like to know the same thing. I just installed the most recent patches and restarted my computer and a few minutes later the emergency "keep it from overheating fan" turned on. (My case has two fans.) I have never had that happen before and the fan would not turn off without me powering down. Is this hotfix to address that problem? Is it to address a different problem, perhaps one that I haven't had? Is it to fix a problem that is a mystery even to the people who write the documentation? Not only do you not give any details about the problem that it is intended to fix, but it repeatedly uses the term "reliability update" and has a link near the end that says to go there for more information on the terminology. Of course, that term isn't listed. This is a hot fix and thus is not included in windows update yet. That makes it seem like it is an emergency. If it is an emergency, TELL ME WHAT IT IS FOR. I am not your beta tester and I will not install random hotfixes to my computer that come with documentation that doesn't even say what it fixes.

Re: Reliability Update (KB936357)? "Bo Persson" <bop[ at ]gmb.dk> 6/27/2007 3:39:07 PM Jen Larkin wrote: :: "TJD" wrote: :: ::: Does anyone know about this (6/11/07) Microsoft update that is ::: supposed to improve reliability with Vista and Intel processors. :: :: I would like to know the same thing. I just installed the most :: recent patches and restarted my computer and a few minutes later :: the emergency "keep it from overheating fan" turned on. (My case :: has two fans.) I have never had that happen before and the fan :: would not turn off without me powering down. :: :: Is this hotfix to address that problem? Is it to address a :: different problem, perhaps one that I haven't had? Is it to fix a :: problem that is a mystery even to the people who write the :: documentation? :: :: Not only do you not give any details about the problem that it is :: intended to fix, but it repeatedly uses the term "reliability :: update" and has a link near the end that says to go there for more :: information on the terminology. Of course, that term isn't listed. :: :: This is a hot fix and thus is not included in windows update yet. :: That makes it seem like it is an emergency. If it is an emergency, :: TELL ME WHAT IT IS FOR. I am not your beta tester and I will not :: install random hotfixes to my computer that come with :: documentation that doesn't even say what it fixes. It seems like it is supposed to be a "processor reliability update" thing, as Intel never has any bugs or anything in their chips. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40567 Bo Persson

Re: Reliability Update (KB936357)? Jen Larkin 6/27/2007 10:20:01 PM "Bo Persson" wrote: [Quoted Text] > It seems like it is supposed to be a "processor reliability update" > thing, as Intel never has any bugs or anything in their chips. > > http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40567 Yes, and that article uses as its only source, the same document that I am stating has no details about the problem. Neither of them say anything besides "this is a reliability update." Yeah, great. It's a reliability update. That doesn't tell me anything about it at all. This is a fix for the processor and as such, I want to make an informed decision about whether to install it now or wait until it is more fully tested. I can not make that decision based on the extremely vague claim that it is a reliability update. A reliability update to correct WHAT PROBLEM? That is what I need to know before I can make an informed decission about whether or not to install it. Other people may install patches willy-nilly but I do not update the code for my CPU without knowing why and only a few days after release.

Re: Reliability Update (KB936357)? "TJD" <TJDanon[ at ]cox.net> 6/28/2007 12:05:35 AM Well, I am one of those that installs patches "willy-nilly" (and I like to live on the edge), so I installed this one. It installed fine and I don't notice any difference in my computer (good or bad). When I read the article link in this thread, I found my processor on the list. Also, this is a legitimate Microsoft patch. Since it is listed with other updates, I figure I can always uninstall it. "Jen Larkin" <JenLarkin[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8A31A73D-AE00-4B4A-94B9-E0967371AD42[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > "Bo Persson" wrote: >> It seems like it is supposed to be a "processor reliability update" >> thing, as Intel never has any bugs or anything in their chips. >> >> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40567 > > Yes, and that article uses as its only source, the same document that I am > stating has no details about the problem. Neither of them say anything > besides "this is a reliability update." > > Yeah, great. It's a reliability update. That doesn't tell me anything > about > it at all. > > This is a fix for the processor and as such, I want to make an informed > decision about whether to install it now or wait until it is more fully > tested. I can not make that decision based on the extremely vague claim > that > it is a reliability update. A reliability update to correct WHAT PROBLEM? > > That is what I need to know before I can make an informed decission about > whether or not to install it. Other people may install patches willy-nilly > but I do not update the code for my CPU without knowing why and only a few > days after release.

Re: Reliability Update (KB936357)? "Bo Persson" <bop[ at ]gmb.dk> 6/28/2007 2:49:32 PM Jen Larkin wrote: :: "Bo Persson" wrote: ::: It seems like it is supposed to be a "processor reliability ::: update" thing, as Intel never has any bugs or anything in their ::: chips. ::: ::: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40567 :: :: Yes, and that article uses as its only source, the same document :: that I am stating has no details about the problem. Neither of :: them say anything besides "this is a reliability update." :: :: Yeah, great. It's a reliability update. That doesn't tell me :: anything about it at all. :: :: This is a fix for the processor and as such, I want to make an :: informed decision about whether to install it now or wait until it :: is more fully tested. I can not make that decision based on the :: extremely vague claim that it is a reliability update. A :: reliability update to correct WHAT PROBLEM? So you are suggesting that there is a problem with Intel's processors? Surely not! :-) :: :: That is what I need to know before I can make an informed :: decission about whether or not to install it. Other people may :: install patches willy-nilly but I do not update the code for my :: CPU without knowing why and only a few days after release. Seems like nobody wants to tell you about any problems. They are possibly so embarassed that they are now speachless. Or the reliablity issue (which is not a bug) is somehow exploitable in some way, so its hush hush. Bo Persson