Disappearing language icon in toolbar "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> 6/26/2007 4:35:11 PM That's the first symptom but the problem is really deeper than that. During Start-Up, Symantec's program CCapp does a zillion things and takes too darn long to finish. Sometimes it never finishes, and it's a big CPU hog, and the symptom that it may never finish, is that the 'EN' in my toolbar, signifying ENglish keyboard, just doesn't appear. I know then that I have to interrupt the power and Start Up over again, sometimes 2 or 3 times before it finishes normally. I hate the slow speed of that program, and the fact that it uses 100% of my CPU (I have 1024MB of RAM) but I'm stuck with it. I have almost nothing else in the StartUp list. Back to the language icon: sometimes the StartUp goes just right, normal, and Norton Protection Center reports that everything is normal.......yet the language icon doesn't appear. BTW, all the defrag and cleanup and chkdsk in the world don't change this phenomenon. Any clues?

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar gls858 <gls858[ at ]yahoo.com> 6/26/2007 6:38:26 PM William B. Lurie wrote: [Quoted Text] > That's the first symptom but the problem is really deeper > than that. During Start-Up, Symantec's program CCapp does > a zillion things and takes too darn long to finish. Sometimes > it never finishes, and it's a big CPU hog, and the symptom > that it may never finish, is that the 'EN' in my > toolbar, signifying ENglish keyboard, just doesn't appear. > I know then that I have to interrupt the power and Start Up > over again, sometimes 2 or 3 times before it finishes normally. > I hate the slow speed of that program, and the fact that it > uses 100% of my CPU (I have 1024MB of RAM) but I'm stuck with > it. I have almost nothing else in the StartUp list. > > Back to the language icon: sometimes the StartUp goes just > right, normal, and Norton Protection Center reports that > everything is normal.......yet the language icon doesn't > appear. BTW, all the defrag and cleanup and chkdsk in the > world don't change this phenomenon. Any clues? Just exactly what program are you stuck with...Symantec's? The obvious thing to do would be to remove it. You've been around these groups long enought to see the problems it creates. I would be curious to know why you feel your "stuck" with it. gls858

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> 6/26/2007 6:49:57 PM gls858 wrote: [Quoted Text] > William B. Lurie wrote: >> That's the first symptom but the problem is really deeper >> than that. During Start-Up, Symantec's program CCapp does >> a zillion things and takes too darn long to finish. Sometimes >> it never finishes, and it's a big CPU hog, and the symptom >> that it may never finish, is that the 'EN' in my >> toolbar, signifying ENglish keyboard, just doesn't appear. >> I know then that I have to interrupt the power and Start Up >> over again, sometimes 2 or 3 times before it finishes normally. >> I hate the slow speed of that program, and the fact that it >> uses 100% of my CPU (I have 1024MB of RAM) but I'm stuck with >> it. I have almost nothing else in the StartUp list. >> >> Back to the language icon: sometimes the StartUp goes just >> right, normal, and Norton Protection Center reports that >> everything is normal.......yet the language icon doesn't >> appear. BTW, all the defrag and cleanup and chkdsk in the >> world don't change this phenomenon. Any clues? > > Just exactly what program are you stuck with...Symantec's? > The obvious thing to do would be to remove it. You've been around > these groups long enought to see the problems it creates. I would be > curious to know why you feel your "stuck" with it. > > gls858 Inertia......and habit. Nortons have kept me fee of viruses and other annoyances so well, for so long, that I shudder at the thought of replacing them with something different. At least it's "the devil I know" as compared with something else. And their service has improved a lot over the years.

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar gls858 <gls858[ at ]yahoo.com> 6/26/2007 7:21:17 PM William B. Lurie wrote: [Quoted Text] > gls858 wrote: >> William B. Lurie wrote: >>> That's the first symptom but the problem is really deeper >>> than that. During Start-Up, Symantec's program CCapp does >>> a zillion things and takes too darn long to finish. Sometimes >>> it never finishes, and it's a big CPU hog, and the symptom >>> that it may never finish, is that the 'EN' in my >>> toolbar, signifying ENglish keyboard, just doesn't appear. >>> I know then that I have to interrupt the power and Start Up >>> over again, sometimes 2 or 3 times before it finishes normally. >>> I hate the slow speed of that program, and the fact that it >>> uses 100% of my CPU (I have 1024MB of RAM) but I'm stuck with >>> it. I have almost nothing else in the StartUp list. >>> >>> Back to the language icon: sometimes the StartUp goes just >>> right, normal, and Norton Protection Center reports that >>> everything is normal.......yet the language icon doesn't >>> appear. BTW, all the defrag and cleanup and chkdsk in the >>> world don't change this phenomenon. Any clues? >> >> Just exactly what program are you stuck with...Symantec's? >> The obvious thing to do would be to remove it. You've been around >> these groups long enought to see the problems it creates. I would be >> curious to know why you feel your "stuck" with it. >> >> gls858 > Inertia......and habit. Nortons have kept me fee of viruses and > other annoyances so well, for so long, that I shudder at the > thought of replacing them with something different. At least it's > "the devil I know" as compared with something else. And their service > has improved a lot over the years. Well... to each their own :-) I'm not familiar with Symantec's product but the one time I had to deal with it it did a full scan at each start up. Once I turned that off the machine booted just fine. Maybe some others will have better advice. In my case I've used Trend Micro's Corporate Version here at work and the Internet Suite Version at home for almost 10 years. Never had a virus at either place. It doesn't seem to hog resources either. The only problem I've ever has was downloading an update and I emailed Trend Micro and had a solution in a couple of hours. The last update allowed you to load the program on 3 machines for $49.95. gls858

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar "Maincat" <steve[ at ]nospam.org.uk> 6/26/2007 7:31:23 PM "gls858" <gls858[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%23T2v9cCuHHA.3640[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > William B. Lurie wrote: >> gls858 wrote: >>> William B. Lurie wrote: >>>> That's the first symptom but the problem is really deeper >>>> than that. During Start-Up, Symantec's program CCapp does >>>> a zillion things and takes too darn long to finish. Sometimes >>>> it never finishes, and it's a big CPU hog, and the symptom >>>> that it may never finish, is that the 'EN' in my >>>> toolbar, signifying ENglish keyboard, just doesn't appear. >>>> I know then that I have to interrupt the power and Start Up >>>> over again, sometimes 2 or 3 times before it finishes normally. >>>> I hate the slow speed of that program, and the fact that it >>>> uses 100% of my CPU (I have 1024MB of RAM) but I'm stuck with >>>> it. I have almost nothing else in the StartUp list. >>>> >>>> Back to the language icon: sometimes the StartUp goes just >>>> right, normal, and Norton Protection Center reports that >>>> everything is normal.......yet the language icon doesn't >>>> appear. BTW, all the defrag and cleanup and chkdsk in the >>>> world don't change this phenomenon. Any clues? >>> >>> Just exactly what program are you stuck with...Symantec's? >>> The obvious thing to do would be to remove it. You've been around >>> these groups long enought to see the problems it creates. I would be >>> curious to know why you feel your "stuck" with it. >>> >>> gls858 >> Inertia......and habit. Nortons have kept me fee of viruses and >> other annoyances so well, for so long, that I shudder at the >> thought of replacing them with something different. At least it's >> "the devil I know" as compared with something else. And their service >> has improved a lot over the years. > > Well... to each their own :-) I'm not familiar with Symantec's product but > the one time I had to deal with it it did a full scan at each start up. > Once I turned that off the machine booted just fine. Maybe some others > will have better advice. > > In my case I've used Trend Micro's Corporate Version here at work and the > Internet Suite Version at home for almost 10 years. > Never had a virus at either place. It doesn't seem to hog resources > either. The only problem I've ever has was downloading an update and I > emailed Trend Micro and had a solution in a couple of hours. The last > update allowed you to load the program > on 3 machines for $49.95. > > gls858 Norton Internet Security 2007 is a terrible piece of comsumer software. It stuffed up my System Restore and Security Centre. It is s-l-o-w. It is bad - get it off your system and you will see improvements. I use F-Secure Internet Security - very happy with it. There are so many alternatives, some free, that are better. Do yourself a favour.

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar Sharon F <sharonfDEL[ at ]ETEmvps.org> 6/26/2007 8:38:14 PM On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:49:57 -0400, William B. Lurie wrote: [Quoted Text] > other annoyances I'll give you viruses but "other annoyances"? No, you can't have that one. Norton causes more annoyances than it avoids. In fairness: I used their products for many, many years. I stuck with them much for the reasons you cite including "the devil I know" but really had no serious problems with their applications. I stopped using them when a particular version had a program error crop up that would crash explorer. It was a repeatable error and documented by Symantec. After waiting a year and no resolution in sight, I finally cashed in my Symantec chips and never looked back. Currently using aVast (free version). -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> 6/26/2007 9:37:22 PM Maincat wrote: [Quoted Text] > "gls858" <gls858[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%23T2v9cCuHHA.3640[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> William B. Lurie wrote: >>> gls858 wrote: >>>> William B. Lurie wrote: >>>>> That's the first symptom but the problem is really deeper >>>>> than that. During Start-Up, Symantec's program CCapp does >>>>> a zillion things and takes too darn long to finish. Sometimes >>>>> it never finishes, and it's a big CPU hog, and the symptom >>>>> that it may never finish, is that the 'EN' in my >>>>> toolbar, signifying ENglish keyboard, just doesn't appear. >>>>> I know then that I have to interrupt the power and Start Up >>>>> over again, sometimes 2 or 3 times before it finishes normally. >>>>> I hate the slow speed of that program, and the fact that it >>>>> uses 100% of my CPU (I have 1024MB of RAM) but I'm stuck with >>>>> it. I have almost nothing else in the StartUp list. >>>>> >>>>> Back to the language icon: sometimes the StartUp goes just >>>>> right, normal, and Norton Protection Center reports that >>>>> everything is normal.......yet the language icon doesn't >>>>> appear. BTW, all the defrag and cleanup and chkdsk in the >>>>> world don't change this phenomenon. Any clues? >>>> Just exactly what program are you stuck with...Symantec's? >>>> The obvious thing to do would be to remove it. You've been around >>>> these groups long enought to see the problems it creates. I would be >>>> curious to know why you feel your "stuck" with it. >>>> >>>> gls858 >>> Inertia......and habit. Nortons have kept me fee of viruses and >>> other annoyances so well, for so long, that I shudder at the >>> thought of replacing them with something different. At least it's >>> "the devil I know" as compared with something else. And their service >>> has improved a lot over the years. >> Well... to each their own :-) I'm not familiar with Symantec's product but >> the one time I had to deal with it it did a full scan at each start up. >> Once I turned that off the machine booted just fine. Maybe some others >> will have better advice. >> >> In my case I've used Trend Micro's Corporate Version here at work and the >> Internet Suite Version at home for almost 10 years. >> Never had a virus at either place. It doesn't seem to hog resources >> either. The only problem I've ever has was downloading an update and I >> emailed Trend Micro and had a solution in a couple of hours. The last >> update allowed you to load the program >> on 3 machines for $49.95. >> >> gls858 > > Norton Internet Security 2007 is a terrible piece of comsumer software. It > stuffed up my System Restore and Security Centre. It is s-l-o-w. It is > bad - get it off your system and you will see improvements. > > I use F-Secure Internet Security - very happy with it. There are so many > alternatives, some free, that are better. Do yourself a favour. > > Thanks, Cat......My machine came with Norton A-V 2007 and I deep-sixed it immediately in favor of Norton System Works which I've used for years. But it still does too damn many things on startup.

Re: Disappearing language icon in toolbar "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> 6/26/2007 9:39:23 PM Sharon F wrote: [Quoted Text] > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:49:57 -0400, William B. Lurie wrote: > >> other annoyances > > I'll give you viruses but "other annoyances"? No, you can't have that one. > Norton causes more annoyances than it avoids. > > In fairness: I used their products for many, many years. I stuck with them > much for the reasons you cite including "the devil I know" but really had > no serious problems with their applications. > > I stopped using them when a particular version had a program error crop up > that would crash explorer. It was a repeatable error and documented by > Symantec. After waiting a year and no resolution in sight, I finally cashed > in my Symantec chips and never looked back. > > Currently using aVast (free version). > Thanks, Sharon....and hello again. Symantec has been improving in recent years with respect to fixing their boo-boos, but they are still too controlling.