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My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
and I don't like it.
No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
it?
Thanks................
Bill Lurie
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Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have you
noticed they are slow to display or refresh?
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>
> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
> and I don't like it.
>
> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>
> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
> it?
>
> Thanks................
>
> Bill Lurie
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Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and
they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed
them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have you
> noticed they are slow to display or refresh?
>
> JS
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>
>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>> and I don't like it.
>>
>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>
>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>> it?
>>
>> Thanks................
>>
>> Bill Lurie
>
>
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William B. Lurie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>
> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
> and I don't like it.
>
> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>
> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
> it?
>
> Thanks................
>
> Bill Lurie
I've had that happen a couple of times and I think it has to do with the
sequence that things load in the registry and how/when the icons are called
for.
The way I fix it is to use Norton SystemWorks Repair Icons feature, but I
don't know how to do it otherwise. There is a program called ntregopt that
helps quite a bit, but I don't know if it'll help with that.
Personally I wouldn't worry about it as I don't think it indicates any
real problems; perhaps try two or three Restarts in a row to see if it'll
optimize the registry at all.
Pop`
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Try this and see if the problem still occurs:
Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter your
password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you only see a
single small blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds.
Now enter your password and watch to see if things load with out the problem
occurring. Let me know what your results are.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and
> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed
> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent.
> WBL
>
> JS wrote:
>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have you
>> noticed they are slow to display or refresh?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>
>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>> and I don't like it.
>>>
>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>
>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Thanks................
>>>
>>> Bill Lurie
>>
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I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one-
user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue
"Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper
appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to
how to set it up so that I actually log on?
Bill L.
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Try this and see if the problem still occurs:
> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter your
> password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you only see a
> single small blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds.
> Now enter your password and watch to see if things load with out the problem
> occurring. Let me know what your results are.
>
> JS
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and
>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed
>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent.
>> WBL
>>
>> JS wrote:
>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have you
>>> noticed they are slow to display or refresh?
>>>
>>> JS
>>>
>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>
>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks................
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lurie
>
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Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the Autologon
box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown box.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] >I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one-
> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue
> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper
> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to
> how to set it up so that I actually log on?
> Bill L.
>
> JS wrote:
>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs:
>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter your
>> password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you only see a
>> single small blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10
>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if things load with out
>> the problem occurring. Let me know what your results are.
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and
>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed
>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent.
>>> WBL
>>>
>>> JS wrote:
>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have you
>>>> noticed they are slow to display or refresh?
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks................
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lurie
>>
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Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it.....
I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon.......
The only option I see is to check, or not to check,
'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen
effect is the same either way.
And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select
and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user
system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/
name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically
and never even asked to logon.
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx> > Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the Autologon > box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown box. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >> Bill L. >> >> JS wrote: >>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter your >>> password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you only see a >>> single small blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if things load with out >>> the problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>> WBL >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have you >>>>> noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>> it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows the
current user, no option to select another account).
However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, the
built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created when
installing Windows.
My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers Windows
loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the applications that
load when a user logs on. You can see what loads during boot and logon using
a tool called Autoruns.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx
This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and logon
(they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any that you don't
want.
Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need to
highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' option to get
the details, especially useful for the more obscure items in the list.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... > I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... > The only option I see is to check, or not to check, > 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen > effect is the same either way. > > And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select > and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user > system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ > name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically > and never even asked to logon. > > JS wrote: >> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>> >> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown box. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>> Bill L. >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter your >>>> password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you only see >>>> a single small blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if things load with >>>> out the problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>> WBL >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have >>>>>> you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>> it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool.
I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me
choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user,
and the account with me as the administrative mode.
I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel.
It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows the > current user, no option to select another account). > However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, the > built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created when > installing Windows. > > My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers Windows > loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the applications that > load when a user logs on. You can see what loads during boot and logon using > a tool called Autoruns. > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and logon > (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any that you don't > want. > > Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need to > highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' option to get > the details, especially useful for the more obscure items in the list. > > JS > > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >> effect is the same either way. >> >> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >> and never even asked to logon. >> >> JS wrote: >>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>> >>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown box. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>> Bill L. >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter your >>>>> password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you only see >>>>> a single small blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if things load with >>>>> out the problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>> WBL >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have >>>>>>> you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > |
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The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally
blank (none).
In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly tapping
the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right
menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. Once
in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The
default password is a blank.
In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode.
At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the
classic Windows logon box.
Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you
assigned (default is no password)
when you set up Windows.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. > I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me > choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, > and the account with me as the administrative mode. > I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. > It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode > > JS wrote: >> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows the >> current user, no option to select another account). >> However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, the >> built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created when >> installing Windows. >> >> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers Windows >> loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the applications >> that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads during boot and >> logon using a tool called Autoruns. >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and logon >> (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any that you >> don't want. >> >> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need to >> highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' option to >> get the details, especially useful for the more obscure items in the >> list. >> >> JS >> >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>> effect is the same either way. >>> >>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>> and never even asked to logon. >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>> >>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown box. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>> Bill L. >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter >>>>>> your password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you >>>>>> only see a single small blip for hard disk activity about once every >>>>>> 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if things >>>>>> load with out the problem occurring. Let me know what your results >>>>>> are. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have >>>>>>>> you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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G'morning, JS..... Help!
Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I
never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF.
Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator
Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue
me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator
Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of
all-black screen didn't occur.
/Bill L./
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally > blank (none). > > In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly tapping > the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right > menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. Once > in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The > default password is a blank. > > In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. > At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the > classic Windows logon box. > Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you > assigned (default is no password) > when you set up Windows. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >> >> JS wrote: >>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows the >>> current user, no option to select another account). >>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, the >>> built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created when >>> installing Windows. >>> >>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers Windows >>> loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the applications >>> that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads during boot and >>> logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and logon >>> (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any that you >>> don't want. >>> >>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need to >>> highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' option to >>> get the details, especially useful for the more obscure items in the >>> list. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>> effect is the same either way. >>>> >>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>> >>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>>>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown box. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter >>>>>>> your password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you >>>>>>> only see a single small blip for hard disk activity about once every >>>>>>> 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if things >>>>>>> load with out the problem occurring. Let me know what your results >>>>>>> are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so have >>>>>>>>> you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom of the
message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' without the
quotes.
The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally
blank (none).
In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly tapping
the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right
menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. Once
in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The
default password is a blank.
In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome Screen,
do/press the
Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in
"Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you assigned
(default is no password)
when you set up Windows.
Once your in then:
Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK
You should now be able to manage you accounts including adding/creating a
new account which I would do as a safety net.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > G'morning, JS..... Help! > Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I > never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. > Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator > Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue > me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator > Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of > all-black screen didn't occur. > /Bill L./ > > JS wrote: >> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >> blank (none). >> >> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >> tapping >> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right >> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >> Once >> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The >> default password is a blank. >> >> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the >> classic Windows logon box. >> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >> assigned (default is no password) >> when you set up Windows. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows the >>>> current user, no option to select another account). >>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, >>>> the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created >>>> when installing Windows. >>>> >>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads >>>> during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and >>>> logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any that >>>> you don't want. >>>> >>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need to >>>> highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' option to >>>> get the details, especially useful for the more obscure items in the >>>> list. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>> >>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>> >>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>>>>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown >>>>>> box. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter >>>>>>>> your password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you >>>>>>>> only see a single small blip for hard disk activity about once >>>>>>>> every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know what your >>>>>>>> results are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so >>>>>>>>>> have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the
basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation.
With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts.
With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so
that I can select Main User or Administrator.
So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns.
I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed
hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess
your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft
items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones
can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated
with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft
items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those
cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't
try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying.
Bill L.
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom of the > message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' without the > quotes. > The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally > blank (none). > > In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly tapping > the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right > menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. Once > in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The > default password is a blank. > > In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome Screen, > do/press the > Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in > "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you assigned > (default is no password) > when you set up Windows. > > Once your in then: > Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK > You should now be able to manage you accounts including adding/creating a > new account which I would do as a safety net. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> G'morning, JS..... Help! >> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >> all-black screen didn't occur. >> /Bill L./ >> >> JS wrote: >>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >>> blank (none). >>> >>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>> tapping >>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right >>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>> Once >>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The >>> default password is a blank. >>> >>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the >>> classic Windows logon box. >>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>> assigned (default is no password) >>> when you set up Windows. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows the >>>>> current user, no option to select another account). >>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, >>>>> the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created >>>>> when installing Windows. >>>>> >>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads >>>>> during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and >>>>> logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any that >>>>> you don't want. >>>>> >>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need to >>>>> highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' option to >>>>> get the details, especially useful for the more obscure items in the >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>>>>>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown >>>>>>> box. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not enter >>>>>>>>> your password but wait until all disk activity has stopped and you >>>>>>>>> only see a single small blip for hard disk activity about once >>>>>>>>> every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know what your >>>>>>>>> results are. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so >>>>>>>>>>> have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >
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A simpler tool is 'msconfig'
Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab.
You can selectively stop any item from starting up.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] >I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the > basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. > With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. > With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so > that I can select Main User or Administrator. > So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. > > I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed > hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess > your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft > items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones > can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated > with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft > items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those > cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't > try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. > Bill L. > > > > JS wrote: >> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom of >> the message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' without >> the quotes. >> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >> blank (none). >> >> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >> tapping >> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right >> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >> Once >> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The >> default password is a blank. >> >> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome Screen, >> do/press the >> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in >> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you assigned >> (default is no password) >> when you set up Windows. >> >> Once your in then: >> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >> You should now be able to manage you accounts including adding/creating a >> new account which I would do as a safety net. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>> /Bill L./ >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >>>> blank (none). >>>> >>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>> tapping >>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>> right >>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>> Once >>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>> The >>>> default password is a blank. >>>> >>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the >>>> classic Windows logon box. >>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>> when you set up Windows. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows >>>>>> the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, >>>>>> the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created >>>>>> when installing Windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads >>>>>> during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and >>>>>> logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any >>>>>> that you don't want. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need >>>>>> to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' >>>>>> option to get the details, especially useful for the more obscure >>>>>> items in the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>>>>>>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown >>>>>>>> box. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not >>>>>>>>>> enter your password but wait until all disk activity has stopped >>>>>>>>>> and you only see a single small blip for hard disk activity about >>>>>>>>>> once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your password and watch to >>>>>>>>>> see if things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know >>>>>>>>>> what your results are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so >>>>>>>>>>>> have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >> >
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Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some
more.
Thanks.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > A simpler tool is 'msconfig' > Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. > You can selectively stop any item from starting up. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >> >> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >> Bill L. >> >> >> >> JS wrote: >>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom of >>> the message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' without >>> the quotes. >>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >>> blank (none). >>> >>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>> tapping >>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the right >>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>> Once >>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. The >>> default password is a blank. >>> >>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome Screen, >>> do/press the >>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in >>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you assigned >>> (default is no password) >>> when you set up Windows. >>> >>> Once your in then: >>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including adding/creating a >>> new account which I would do as a safety net. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>> /Bill L./ >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >>>>> blank (none). >>>>> >>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>> tapping >>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>> right >>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>>> Once >>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>>> The >>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>> >>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the >>>>> classic Windows logon box. >>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows >>>>>>> the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin privileges, >>>>>>> the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the one you created >>>>>>> when installing Windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads >>>>>>> during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and >>>>>>> logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any >>>>>>> that you don't want. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need >>>>>>> to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' >>>>>>> option to get the details, especially useful for the more obscure >>>>>>> items in the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check the >>>>>>>>> Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the pulldown >>>>>>>>> box. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not >>>>>>>>>>> enter your password but wait until all disk activity has stopped >>>>>>>>>>> and you only see a single small blip for hard disk activity about >>>>>>>>>>> once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your password and watch to >>>>>>>>>>> see if things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know >>>>>>>>>>> what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so >>>>>>>>>>>>> have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but....
Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you
updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a bad rep
when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and install the
latest driver for your video card from the card manufacture's web site.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some > more. > Thanks. > WBL > > JS wrote: >> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>> >>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>> Bill L. >>> >>> >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom >>>> of the message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' >>>> without the quotes. >>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >>>> blank (none). >>>> >>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>> tapping >>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>> right >>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>> Once >>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>> The >>>> default password is a blank. >>>> >>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome Screen, >>>> do/press the >>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in >>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you assigned >>>> (default is no password) >>>> when you set up Windows. >>>> >>>> Once your in then: >>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including adding/creating >>>> a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>> >>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>> tapping >>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>> right >>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>>>> Once >>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>>>> The >>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>> >>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get >>>>>> the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password >>>>>> you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows >>>>>>>> the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the >>>>>>>> one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads >>>>>>>> during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and >>>>>>>> logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any >>>>>>>> that you don't want. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need >>>>>>>> to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' >>>>>>>> option to get the details, especially useful for the more obscure >>>>>>>> items in the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check >>>>>>>>>> the Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the >>>>>>>>>> pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not >>>>>>>>>>>> enter your password but wait until all disk activity has >>>>>>>>>>>> stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard disk >>>>>>>>>>>> activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your >>>>>>>>>>>> password and watch to see if things load with out the problem >>>>>>>>>>>> occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control
all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem.
So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing
heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around
and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all.
I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let
them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video
drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any
that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how
to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers
by now, in any case.
Anything else?
Bill L.
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... > Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you > updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a bad rep > when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and install the > latest driver for your video card from the card manufacture's web site. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >> more. >> Thanks. >> WBL >> >> JS wrote: >>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>> >>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>> Bill L. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom >>>>> of the message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' >>>>> without the quotes. >>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is normally >>>>> blank (none). >>>>> >>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>> tapping >>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>> right >>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>>> Once >>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>>> The >>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>> >>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome Screen, >>>>> do/press the >>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in >>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you assigned >>>>> (default is no password) >>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>> >>>>> Once your in then: >>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including adding/creating >>>>> a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>>>>> Once >>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get >>>>>>> the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password >>>>>>> you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just shows >>>>>>>>> the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the >>>>>>>>> one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>>>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>>>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what loads >>>>>>>>> during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot and >>>>>>>>> logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively stop any >>>>>>>>> that you don't want. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may need >>>>>>>>> to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search Online' >>>>>>>>> option to get the details, especially useful for the more obscure >>>>>>>>> items in the list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check >>>>>>>>>>> the Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the >>>>>>>>>>> pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not >>>>>>>>>>>>> enter your password but wait until all disk activity has >>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard disk >>>>>>>>>>>>> activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your >>>>>>>>>>>>> password and watch to see if things load with out the problem >>>>>>>>>>>>> occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > |
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Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or other
software installs and when the problem started occurring?
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control > all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. > So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing > heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around > and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. > > I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let > them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video > drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any > that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how > to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers > by now, in any case. > > Anything else? > Bill L. > > JS wrote: >> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you >> updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a bad >> rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and install >> the latest driver for your video card from the card manufacture's web >> site. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>> more. >>> Thanks. >>> WBL >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>> Bill L. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom >>>>>> of the message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' >>>>>> without the quotes. >>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>> >>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>> tapping >>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>> right >>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>>>> Once >>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>>>> The >>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>> >>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in >>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get >>>>>>>> the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password >>>>>>>> you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just >>>>>>>>>> shows the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the >>>>>>>>>> one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>>>>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>>>>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what >>>>>>>>>> loads during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot >>>>>>>>>> and logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively >>>>>>>>>> stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may >>>>>>>>>> need to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search >>>>>>>>>> Online' option to get the details, especially useful for the more >>>>>>>>>> obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check >>>>>>>>>>>> the Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the >>>>>>>>>>>> pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter your password but wait until all disk activity has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> password and watch to see if things load with out the problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the
Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow
I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video
driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install,
and I generally avoid those with video consequences.
At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost
the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration
was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six
with my 'regular' monitor.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or other > software installs and when the problem started occurring? > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >> >> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >> by now, in any case. >> >> Anything else? >> Bill L. >> >> JS wrote: >>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you >>> updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a bad >>> rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and install >>> the latest driver for your video card from the card manufacture's web >>> site. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>> more. >>>> Thanks. >>>> WBL >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>> >>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the bottom >>>>>>> of the message is a section where you enter 'Control Userpasswords2' >>>>>>> without the quotes. >>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work here. >>>>>>> Once >>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator account. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type in >>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get >>>>>>>>> the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password >>>>>>>>> you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just >>>>>>>>>>> shows the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and the >>>>>>>>>>> one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the drivers >>>>>>>>>>> Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, Etc.) and the >>>>>>>>>>> applications that load when a user logs on. You can see what >>>>>>>>>>> loads during boot and logon using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot >>>>>>>>>>> and logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively >>>>>>>>>>> stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may >>>>>>>>>>> need to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search >>>>>>>>>>> Online' option to get the details, especially useful for the more >>>>>>>>>>> obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black screen >>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user account/ >>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on automatically >>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and Un-check >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Autologon box for the user account/name you select in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter your password but wait until all disk activity has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password and watch to see if things load with out the problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so have you noticed they are slow to display or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone video
card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS setting for the
amount of memory allocated to video (typically about 128MB).
Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose of
signal and one monitor recovers faster.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the > Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow > I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video > driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, > and I generally avoid those with video consequences. > > At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost > the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration > was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six > with my 'regular' monitor. > WBL > > JS wrote: >> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or other >> software installs and when the problem started occurring? >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>> >>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>> by now, in any case. >>> >>> Anything else? >>> Bill L. >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you >>>> updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a bad >>>> rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and >>>> install the latest driver for your video card from the card >>>> manufacture's web site. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>> more. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> WBL >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to >>>>>>>>>> get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just >>>>>>>>>>>> shows the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and >>>>>>>>>>>> the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. You >>>>>>>>>>>> can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool called >>>>>>>>>>>> Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot >>>>>>>>>>>> and logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively >>>>>>>>>>>> stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may >>>>>>>>>>>> need to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search >>>>>>>>>>>> Online' option to get the details, especially useful for the >>>>>>>>>>>> more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enter your password but wait until all disk activity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disk activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your password and watch to see if things load with out the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so have you noticed they are slow to display or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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Hi, JS.
Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports
video adapter 256MB.
But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp
in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When
I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm
working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP
Presario well within warranty.
Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for
eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone video > card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS setting for the > amount of memory allocated to video (typically about 128MB). > > Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose of > signal and one monitor recovers faster. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >> >> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >> with my 'regular' monitor. >> WBL >> >> JS wrote: >>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or other >>> software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>> >>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>> by now, in any case. >>>> >>>> Anything else? >>>> Bill L. >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you >>>>> updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a bad >>>>> rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and >>>>> install the latest driver for your video card from the card >>>>> manufacture's web site. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>> more. >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> WBL >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by repeatedly >>>>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to the >>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. Type >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to >>>>>>>>>>> get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make me >>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just >>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. You >>>>>>>>>>>>> can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool called >>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first boot >>>>>>>>>>>>> and logon (they are grouped by category), you can selectively >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you may >>>>>>>>>>>>> need to highlight the item (right click) and use the 'Search >>>>>>>>>>>>> Online' option to get the details, especially useful for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to select >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enter your password but wait until all disk activity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disk activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your password and watch to see if things load with out the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so have you noticed they are slow to display or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >
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A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Hi, JS. > Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports > video adapter 256MB. > > But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp > in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When > I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm > working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP > Presario well within warranty. > Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for > eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. > WBL > > JS wrote: >> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS setting >> for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about 128MB). >> >> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose of >> signal and one monitor recovers faster. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>> >>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>> WBL >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>> >>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>> >>>>> Anything else? >>>>> Bill L. >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you >>>>>> updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a >>>>>> bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and >>>>>> install the latest driver for your video card from the card >>>>>> manufacture's web site. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>> more. >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to >>>>>>>>>>>> get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make >>>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> may need to highlight the item (right click) and use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially useful >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enter your password but wait until all disk activity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disk activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your password and watch to see if things load with out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so have you noticed they are slow to display or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >> >
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It ain't all that straightforward, JS.....not when you're
working with their techies. Now they referred me to a
piece of 3rd party software, a registry cleaner that I
downloaded and bought and is impossible to activate
because of their security key, and I have to wait for
THAT to be resolved.
This is very frustrating. I narrowed it down and proved that
just checking ONE piece of their on-board software (HPBootOp)
in the StartUp list, causes the malfunction, and they are
unable to solve the problem. Grrrrrrrr.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Hi, JS. >> Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports >> video adapter 256MB. >> >> But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp >> in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When >> I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm >> working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP >> Presario well within warranty. >> Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for >> eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. >> WBL >> >> JS wrote: >>> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >>> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS setting >>> for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about 128MB). >>> >>> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose of >>> signal and one monitor recovers faster. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>>> >>>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>>> WBL >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if you >>>>>>> updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which has a >>>>>>> bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to download and >>>>>>> install the latest driver for your video card from the card >>>>>>> manufacture's web site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup tab. >>>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to >>>>>>>>>>>>> get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) user, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the current user, no option to select another account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may need to highlight the item (right click) and use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially useful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enter your password but wait until all disk activity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has stopped and you only see a single small blip for hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disk activity about once every 5 to 10 seconds. Now enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your password and watch to see if things load with out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem occurring. Let me know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so have you noticed they are slow to display or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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You know that utility I mentioned earlier (AutoRuns), start it up again and
see if you can find that HP software in the list, double check that you
identified it by looking at the path and executable name, also do the Search
Online (highlight and right click) option if your still not certain you have
the correct software, once you have identified it simply un-check that item
in the list and it will no longer run during bootup.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:eig0UF8qHHA.1204[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > It ain't all that straightforward, JS.....not when you're > working with their techies. Now they referred me to a > piece of 3rd party software, a registry cleaner that I > downloaded and bought and is impossible to activate > because of their security key, and I have to wait for > THAT to be resolved. > > This is very frustrating. I narrowed it down and proved that > just checking ONE piece of their on-board software (HPBootOp) > in the StartUp list, causes the malfunction, and they are > unable to solve the problem. Grrrrrrrr. > WBL > JS wrote: >> A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Hi, JS. >>> Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports >>> video adapter 256MB. >>> >>> But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp >>> in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When >>> I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm >>> working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP >>> Presario well within warranty. >>> Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for >>> eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. >>> WBL >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >>>> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS >>>> setting for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about >>>> 128MB). >>>> >>>> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose >>>> of signal and one monitor recovers faster. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>>>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>>>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>>>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>>>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>>>> >>>>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>>>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>>>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>>>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>>>> WBL >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>>>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if >>>>>>>> you updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which >>>>>>>> has a bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to >>>>>>>> download and install the latest driver for your video card from the >>>>>>>> card manufacture's web site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup >>>>>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just shows the current user, no option to select another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may need to highlight the item (right click) and use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not enter your password but wait until all disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity has stopped and you only see a single small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if so have you noticed they are slow to display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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The impractical solution from Compaq is to do some sort of
(sic) Non-Destructive Recovery which would fix their stuff
but necessitate reinstalling my dozens and dozens of
applications. Ridiculous!!
My solution is along your lines: I have removed the checkmark
for HPBootOp in the Startup list, and the video blanking no
longer happens. I also removed the checkmark for Compaq Connections
which I believe is some sort of master bookkeeping (for THEM), and
which slows down the bootup process. Let's see how this works out,
and thanks....
Bill
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You know that utility I mentioned earlier (AutoRuns), start it up again and > see if you can find that HP software in the list, double check that you > identified it by looking at the path and executable name, also do the Search > Online (highlight and right click) option if your still not certain you have > the correct software, once you have identified it simply un-check that item > in the list and it will no longer run during bootup. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:eig0UF8qHHA.1204[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> It ain't all that straightforward, JS.....not when you're >> working with their techies. Now they referred me to a >> piece of 3rd party software, a registry cleaner that I >> downloaded and bought and is impossible to activate >> because of their security key, and I have to wait for >> THAT to be resolved. >> >> This is very frustrating. I narrowed it down and proved that >> just checking ONE piece of their on-board software (HPBootOp) >> in the StartUp list, causes the malfunction, and they are >> unable to solve the problem. Grrrrrrrr. >> WBL >> JS wrote: >>> A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Hi, JS. >>>> Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports >>>> video adapter 256MB. >>>> >>>> But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp >>>> in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When >>>> I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm >>>> working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP >>>> Presario well within warranty. >>>> Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for >>>> eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. >>>> WBL >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >>>>> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS >>>>> setting for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about >>>>> 128MB). >>>>> >>>>> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose >>>>> of signal and one monitor recovers faster. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>>>>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>>>>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>>>>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>>>>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>>>>> >>>>>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>>>>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>>>>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>>>>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>>>>> WBL >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>>>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>>>>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if >>>>>>>>> you updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which >>>>>>>>> has a bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to >>>>>>>>> download and install the latest driver for your video card from the >>>>>>>>> card manufacture's web site. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup >>>>>>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just shows the current user, no option to select another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may need to highlight the item (right click) and use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not enter your password but wait until all disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity has stopped and you only see a single small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if so have you noticed they are slow to display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > |
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JS, following your earlier suggestion, I investigated my video
and found an ATI Video Chip, Radeon Express 200 series, 256 MB.
There is some suspicion that although 256 has been and should
be enough, there are other slow-to-refresh indications that
maybe it isn't all alive and well, or maybe its drivers aren't.
Is there a test I can perform to verify or evaluate that?
Bill L.
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You know that utility I mentioned earlier (AutoRuns), start it up again and > see if you can find that HP software in the list, double check that you > identified it by looking at the path and executable name, also do the Search > Online (highlight and right click) option if your still not certain you have > the correct software, once you have identified it simply un-check that item > in the list and it will no longer run during bootup. > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:eig0UF8qHHA.1204[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> It ain't all that straightforward, JS.....not when you're >> working with their techies. Now they referred me to a >> piece of 3rd party software, a registry cleaner that I >> downloaded and bought and is impossible to activate >> because of their security key, and I have to wait for >> THAT to be resolved. >> >> This is very frustrating. I narrowed it down and proved that >> just checking ONE piece of their on-board software (HPBootOp) >> in the StartUp list, causes the malfunction, and they are >> unable to solve the problem. Grrrrrrrr. >> WBL >> JS wrote: >>> A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Hi, JS. >>>> Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports >>>> video adapter 256MB. >>>> >>>> But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp >>>> in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When >>>> I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm >>>> working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP >>>> Presario well within warranty. >>>> Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for >>>> eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. >>>> WBL >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >>>>> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS >>>>> setting for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about >>>>> 128MB). >>>>> >>>>> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose >>>>> of signal and one monitor recovers faster. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>>>>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>>>>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>>>>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>>>>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>>>>> >>>>>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>>>>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>>>>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>>>>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>>>>> WBL >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>>>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any video >>>>>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if >>>>>>>>> you updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which >>>>>>>>> has a bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to >>>>>>>>> download and install the latest driver for your video card from the >>>>>>>>> card manufacture's web site. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup >>>>>>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of those >>>>>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the message is a section where you enter 'Control >>>>>>>>>>>>> Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account is >>>>>>>>>>>>> normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not work >>>>>>>>>>>>> here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the Welcome >>>>>>>>>>>>> Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password you >>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety net. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to OFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just shows the current user, no option to select another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware drivers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etc.) and the applications that load when a user logs on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see what loads during boot and logon using a tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may need to highlight the item (right click) and use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not enter your password but wait until all disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity has stopped and you only see a single small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if so have you noticed they are slow to display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > |
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According to ATI's web site the Radeon Express 200 series is a chip built
into the motherboard. This most likely means it shares memory with the
processor, but I could be wrong as I'm not familiar with this model. That
said, how much main memory did your PC come with?
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OT4HCRDrHHA.4836[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > JS, following your earlier suggestion, I investigated my video > and found an ATI Video Chip, Radeon Express 200 series, 256 MB. > There is some suspicion that although 256 has been and should > be enough, there are other slow-to-refresh indications that > maybe it isn't all alive and well, or maybe its drivers aren't. > Is there a test I can perform to verify or evaluate that? > Bill L. > > JS wrote: >> You know that utility I mentioned earlier (AutoRuns), start it up again >> and see if you can find that HP software in the list, double check that >> you identified it by looking at the path and executable name, also do the >> Search Online (highlight and right click) option if your still not >> certain you have the correct software, once you have identified it simply >> un-check that item in the list and it will no longer run during bootup. >> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:eig0UF8qHHA.1204[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> It ain't all that straightforward, JS.....not when you're >>> working with their techies. Now they referred me to a >>> piece of 3rd party software, a registry cleaner that I >>> downloaded and bought and is impossible to activate >>> because of their security key, and I have to wait for >>> THAT to be resolved. >>> >>> This is very frustrating. I narrowed it down and proved that >>> just checking ONE piece of their on-board software (HPBootOp) >>> in the StartUp list, causes the malfunction, and they are >>> unable to solve the problem. Grrrrrrrr. >>> WBL >>> JS wrote: >>>> A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> Hi, JS. >>>>> Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports >>>>> video adapter 256MB. >>>>> >>>>> But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp >>>>> in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When >>>>> I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm >>>>> working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP >>>>> Presario well within warranty. >>>>> Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for >>>>> eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. >>>>> WBL >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >>>>>> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS >>>>>> setting for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about >>>>>> 128MB). >>>>>> >>>>>> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose >>>>>> of signal and one monitor recovers faster. >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>>>>>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>>>>>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>>>>>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>>>>>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>>>>>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>>>>>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>>>>>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>>>>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>>>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>>>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>>>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>>>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>>>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any >>>>>>>>> video >>>>>>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>>>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>>>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>>>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if >>>>>>>>>> you updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which >>>>>>>>>> has a bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to >>>>>>>>>> download and install the latest driver for your video card from >>>>>>>>>> the card manufacture's web site. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup >>>>>>>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which >>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of >>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I >>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom of the message is a section where you enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Control Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>> net. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just shows the current user, no option to select another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers, Etc.) and the applications that load when a user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logs on. You can see what loads during boot and logon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you may need to highlight the item (right click) and use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not enter your password but wait until all disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity has stopped and you only see a single small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if so have you noticed they are slow to display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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Main memory is 1024M (It came with one 512 and I added
a second 512). Task Manager shows it's all there (well,
984M) and less than half in use under steady-state
conditions. Even if the chip shares memory, it would seem
to me that there's enough to go around. But malfunctioning
only started a few weeks ago.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > According to ATI's web site the Radeon Express 200 series is a chip built > into the motherboard. This most likely means it shares memory with the > processor, but I could be wrong as I'm not familiar with this model. That > said, how much main memory did your PC come with? > > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:OT4HCRDrHHA.4836[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> JS, following your earlier suggestion, I investigated my video >> and found an ATI Video Chip, Radeon Express 200 series, 256 MB. >> There is some suspicion that although 256 has been and should >> be enough, there are other slow-to-refresh indications that >> maybe it isn't all alive and well, or maybe its drivers aren't. >> Is there a test I can perform to verify or evaluate that? >> Bill L. >> >> JS wrote: >>> You know that utility I mentioned earlier (AutoRuns), start it up again >>> and see if you can find that HP software in the list, double check that >>> you identified it by looking at the path and executable name, also do the >>> Search Online (highlight and right click) option if your still not >>> certain you have the correct software, once you have identified it simply >>> un-check that item in the list and it will no longer run during bootup. >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:eig0UF8qHHA.1204[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> It ain't all that straightforward, JS.....not when you're >>>> working with their techies. Now they referred me to a >>>> piece of 3rd party software, a registry cleaner that I >>>> downloaded and bought and is impossible to activate >>>> because of their security key, and I have to wait for >>>> THAT to be resolved. >>>> >>>> This is very frustrating. I narrowed it down and proved that >>>> just checking ONE piece of their on-board software (HPBootOp) >>>> in the StartUp list, causes the malfunction, and they are >>>> unable to solve the problem. Grrrrrrrr. >>>> WBL >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> A boot optimizer, hope HP solves the problem. >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:OW%2326D4qHHA.3740[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Hi, JS. >>>>>> Several points. Answer to your question is, AIDA reports >>>>>> video adapter 256MB. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I've established that booting with ONLY Symantec's ccApp >>>>>> in the Startup list, the problem behavior does not occur. When >>>>>> I add HP's HPBootOp.exe to the list, it blanks again. I'm >>>>>> working back and forth with HP's techies on it. This is an HP >>>>>> Presario well within warranty. >>>>>> Last point: Whatever video is allocated, it's been that way for >>>>>> eight months, so it shouldn't need changing, I figure. >>>>>> WBL >>>>>> >>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>> Do you have a built-in video chip on the motherboard or a stand alone >>>>>>> video card. If your video is built-in then there should be a BIOS >>>>>>> setting for the amount of memory allocated to video (typically about >>>>>>> 128MB). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Changing monitors was an interesting result, seems to indicate a lose >>>>>>> of signal and one monitor recovers faster. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:euSblY1qHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Not really, JS. But I believe there is a listing of all the >>>>>>>> Windows KS updates that have been installed, maybe somehow >>>>>>>> I could get Microsoft to indicate which might have video >>>>>>>> driver consequences. I'm selective on what WUs I do install, >>>>>>>> and I generally avoid those with video consequences. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At HP's request, I tried a different monitor, and got almost >>>>>>>> the same results, the difference being that the blanking duration >>>>>>>> was only about one secod with my spare monitor, versus about six >>>>>>>> with my 'regular' monitor. >>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> Any correlation between the time of the last Windows Updates and or >>>>>>>>> other software installs and when the problem started occurring? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:O77tAjvqHHA.3372[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> AHA! Interesting and logical, JS. So I contacted HP, who control >>>>>>>>>> all my drivers, and they agreed that that could be the problem. >>>>>>>>>> So they gave me two links to download and execute, installing >>>>>>>>>> heaven only knows what. Did it twice. It moved my icons around >>>>>>>>>> and changed my resolution, but didn't solve the problem at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I screen all the Windows Update downloads (I don't just let >>>>>>>>>> them install automatically), and I don't think I accepted any >>>>>>>>>> video >>>>>>>>>> drivers. But I don't know how I can find out if there were any >>>>>>>>>> that got installed (unless some lurking MVP wants to tell me how >>>>>>>>>> to do that). Presumably HP has gotten me to install good drivers >>>>>>>>>> by now, in any case. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anything else? >>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Not certain why I didn't mention this earlier but.... >>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes video drivers can create strange results, especially if >>>>>>>>>>> you updated driver(s) using Microsoft's Windows Update site which >>>>>>>>>>> has a bad rep when it comes to driver updates. You may want to >>>>>>>>>>> download and install the latest driver for your video card from >>>>>>>>>>> the card manufacture's web site. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:%236H6e8rqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> Been there, done that, JS. I'll play there some >>>>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> A simpler tool is 'msconfig' >>>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run enter msconfig click Run and then select the startup >>>>>>>>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can selectively stop any item from starting up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ucpdlYrqHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made tests with three hard drives and clones of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic OS, and I have resolved the Autologon situation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon ON, it bypasses the choice of accounts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Autologon OFF, on the way to Safe Mode it stops so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I can select Main User or Administrator. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm past that hurdle, and now I'm at the Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded, installed, and executed it, and it showed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of files that get run on startup, and I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought is that I should look at the non-Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> items and uncheck a bunch of them, and see (a) what ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can I do without on startup, and (b) which ones are associated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 5-second blackout. No way could I guess which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> items I could uncheck. It's beginning to look like one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases where it ain't all that badly broke, so mebbe I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to fix it. In that case.......thanks for trying. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This first part is a repeat of what I sent you, however at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom of the message is a section where you enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Control Userpasswords2' without the quotes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. At the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Screen, do/press the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever password >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once your in then: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start/Run/type in: Control Userpasswords2 and press OK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should now be able to manage you accounts including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding/creating a new account which I would do as a safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> net. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:e1WXDroqHHA.3248[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G'morning, JS..... Help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I have Tweak-UI, even when booting to Safe Mode, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never see the choice of accounts. I have Autologon set to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't see the choice of accounts, not even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account, during start-up, not even using F8>>Safe Mode. Clue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me as to how I can get to the 'normally hidden Administrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account'. Incidentally, going to Safe Mode, the 5-seconds of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-black screen didn't occur. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Bill L./ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The password for the built in Windows Administrator account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is normally blank (none). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Home, boot the computer into Safe Mode. Do this by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly tapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the F8 key as the computer is starting up. This will get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Navigate using your Up arrow key; the mouse will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work here. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, you will see the normally hidden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator account. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default password is a blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In XP Pro, you do not need to go into Safe Mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the Welcome Screen, do/press the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys twice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the classic Windows logon box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type in "Administrator" (without the quotes) and whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password you assigned (default is no password) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you set up Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:usrSkbjqHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, JS, I'll look at the Autoruns tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there's a way to force the boot procedure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between the account with me as the (one and only) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the account with me as the administrative mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to accomplish that, maybe via Control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does give me that option when I go F8>>Safe Mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct, my mistake about the pull-down box (it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just shows the current user, no option to select another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, you should have at least two account with Admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges, the built in Windows 'Administrator' account >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the one you created when installing Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory was that there is a race condition between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers Windows loads when first booting (hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers, Etc.) and the applications that load when a user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logs on. You can see what loads during boot and logon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a tool called Autoruns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will show all apps/etc. that load/run when you first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot and logon (they are grouped by category), you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selectively stop any that you don't want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: To get additional details on an item in the list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you may need to highlight the item (right click) and use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'Search Online' option to get the details, especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful for the more obscure items in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6ojp0iqHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JS. I downloaded and installed Tweak UI. I tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Logon....I expand it to see Autologon....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I see is to check, or not to check, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Logon automatically'. The 5 second heart-stopping black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect is the same either way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I don't even see any choice of user account/name to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't see a pulldown box. Remember, I'm a one user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system and the only time I've ever see a choice of user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name is with Safe Mode startup. I'm just logged on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never even asked to logon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download and install Tweak UI from Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then expand the Logon option and select Autologon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-check the Autologon box for the user account/name >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you select in the pulldown box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uBhWovgqHHA.192[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't do that with any ease, JS, because I'm a one- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user system, and it goes automatically thru a sky-blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Loading whatever...." screen and then the wallpaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears, followed by the icons. Want to clue me as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to set it up so that I actually log on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and see if the problem still occurs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot to the point to were you reach the logon screen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not enter your password but wait until all disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity has stopped and you only see a single small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blip for hard disk activity about once every 5 to 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds. Now enter your password and watch to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things load with out the problem occurring. Let me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what your results are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uLZV94bqHHA.500[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I consider a lot, JS....about 35 icons, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they refresh quickly. I've had more icons, haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at all, and this phenomenon is new and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a large number of icons on your desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if so have you noticed they are slow to display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refresh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot-up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdAware and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.......but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading down the
CPU and causing the slow refresh.
Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance tab,
what does the CPU usage % show?
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>
> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
> and I don't like it.
>
> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>
> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
> it?
>
> Thanks................
>
> Bill Lurie
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Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
the screen blanks. Good thought.....
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading down the
> CPU and causing the slow refresh.
> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance tab,
> what does the CPU usage % show?
>
> JS
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>
>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>> and I don't like it.
>>
>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>
>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>> it?
>>
>> Thanks................
>>
>> Bill Lurie
>
>
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No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50
to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down
to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked.
When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU,
bother before, during, and after blanking.
WBL
William B. Lurie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
> the screen blanks. Good thought.....
>
> JS wrote:
>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading
>> down the CPU and causing the slow refresh.
>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance
>> tab, what does the CPU usage % show?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>
>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>> and I don't like it.
>>>
>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>
>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Thanks................
>>>
>>> Bill Lurie
>>
>>
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Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean
up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately.
Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive?
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50
> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down
> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked.
> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU,
> bother before, during, and after blanking.
> WBL
>
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
>> the screen blanks. Good thought.....
>>
>> JS wrote:
>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading down
>>> the CPU and causing the slow refresh.
>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance tab,
>>> what does the CPU usage % show?
>>>
>>> JS
>>>
>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>
>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks................
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lurie
>>>
>>>
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All good thought, JS, but I been there, done them all, defrag
and chkdsk/r in addition. Hard drive.....partition is 20 GB with
25% unused....../WBL/
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean
> up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately.
> Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive?
>
> JS
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50
>> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down
>> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked.
>> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU,
>> bother before, during, and after blanking.
>> WBL
>>
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
>>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
>>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
>>> the screen blanks. Good thought.....
>>>
>>> JS wrote:
>>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading down
>>>> the CPU and causing the slow refresh.
>>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance tab,
>>>> what does the CPU usage % show?
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks................
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lurie
>>>>
>
>
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Not using IE7 by any chance?
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:eldkvLFrHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > All good thought, JS, but I been there, done them all, defrag
> and chkdsk/r in addition. Hard drive.....partition is 20 GB with
> 25% unused....../WBL/
>
> JS wrote:
>> Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean
>> up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately.
>> Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50
>>> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down
>>> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked.
>>> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU,
>>> bother before, during, and after blanking.
>>> WBL
>>>
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
>>>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
>>>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
>>>> the screen blanks. Good thought.....
>>>>
>>>> JS wrote:
>>>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading
>>>>> down the CPU and causing the slow refresh.
>>>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance
>>>>> tab, what does the CPU usage % show?
>>>>>
>>>>> JS
>>>>>
>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks................
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lurie
>>>>>
>>
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Another good thought, JS, but, no, I have an icon to IE
just for those rare cases where some app demands it, but
I was Netscape from NS2 on until Mozilla and Firefox
arrived, and that's all I do for mail and browsing.
WBL
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Not using IE7 by any chance?
>
> JS
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:eldkvLFrHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> All good thought, JS, but I been there, done them all, defrag
>> and chkdsk/r in addition. Hard drive.....partition is 20 GB with
>> 25% unused....../WBL/
>>
>> JS wrote:
>>> Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean
>>> up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately.
>>> Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive?
>>>
>>> JS
>>>
>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50
>>>> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down
>>>> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked.
>>>> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU,
>>>> bother before, during, and after blanking.
>>>> WBL
>>>>
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
>>>>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
>>>>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
>>>>> the screen blanks. Good thought.....
>>>>>
>>>>> JS wrote:
>>>>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading
>>>>>> down the CPU and causing the slow refresh.
>>>>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance
>>>>>> tab, what does the CPU usage % show?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks................
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lurie
>
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Ok, we have identified that the HP Boot optimization was part of the
problem,
You've cleaned and defragged the hard drive as well as loaded the most
recent video drivers.
Checked the no other process was eating up CPU resources.
Used AutoRuns to stop some apps from booting.
One thing that may put things back to the way they were is to delete the
Windows Prefetch files.
They are located: C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch directory.
After they are deleted it will take about 4 or 5 reboots for the PC to be
fully up to speed, you may
notice that the first few reboots will be slower than usual. After each
reboot run and exit the
applications you normally use and then reboot again and repeat the process
of running common
applications.
Information on the Prefetch files and how they are used.
http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Gaining-Speed-Empty-Prefetch-XP.html
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OegxDnGrHHA.4768[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Another good thought, JS, but, no, I have an icon to IE
> just for those rare cases where some app demands it, but
> I was Netscape from NS2 on until Mozilla and Firefox
> arrived, and that's all I do for mail and browsing.
> WBL
>
> JS wrote:
>> Not using IE7 by any chance?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:eldkvLFrHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> All good thought, JS, but I been there, done them all, defrag
>>> and chkdsk/r in addition. Hard drive.....partition is 20 GB with
>>> 25% unused....../WBL/
>>>
>>> JS wrote:
>>>> Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean
>>>> up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately.
>>>> Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive?
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50
>>>>> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down
>>>>> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked.
>>>>> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU,
>>>>> bother before, during, and after blanking.
>>>>> WBL
>>>>>
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will
>>>>>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put
>>>>>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as
>>>>>> the screen blanks. Good thought.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JS wrote:
>>>>>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading
>>>>>>> down the CPU and causing the slow refresh.
>>>>>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance
>>>>>>> tab, what does the CPU usage % show?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up.
>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the
>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with
>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used
>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its
>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds,
>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new
>>>>>>>> and I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a
>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes,
>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and
>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but
>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid
>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks................
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie
>>
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Thanks for all the help, JS. I think I've
learned all I can, and will live with iy.
Thanks again.//Bill//
JS wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Ok, we have identified that the HP Boot optimization was part of the > problem, > You've cleaned and defragged the hard drive as well as loaded the most > recent video drivers. > Checked the no other process was eating up CPU resources. > Used AutoRuns to stop some apps from booting. > > One thing that may put things back to the way they were is to delete the > Windows Prefetch files. > They are located: C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch directory. > After they are deleted it will take about 4 or 5 reboots for the PC to be > fully up to speed, you may > notice that the first few reboots will be slower than usual. After each > reboot run and exit the > applications you normally use and then reboot again and repeat the process > of running common > applications. > > > Information on the Prefetch files and how they are used. > http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Gaining-Speed-Empty-Prefetch-XP.html> > JS > > "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message > news:OegxDnGrHHA.4768[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Another good thought, JS, but, no, I have an icon to IE >> just for those rare cases where some app demands it, but >> I was Netscape from NS2 on until Mozilla and Firefox >> arrived, and that's all I do for mail and browsing. >> WBL >> >> JS wrote: >>> Not using IE7 by any chance? >>> >>> JS >>> >>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:eldkvLFrHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> All good thought, JS, but I been there, done them all, defrag >>>> and chkdsk/r in addition. Hard drive.....partition is 20 GB with >>>> 25% unused....../WBL/ >>>> >>>> JS wrote: >>>>> Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean >>>>> up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately. >>>>> Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive? >>>>> >>>>> JS >>>>> >>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50 >>>>>> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down >>>>>> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked. >>>>>> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU, >>>>>> bother before, during, and after blanking. >>>>>> WBL >>>>>> >>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote: >>>>>>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will >>>>>>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put >>>>>>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as >>>>>>> the screen blanks. Good thought..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading >>>>>>>> down the CPU and causing the slow refresh. >>>>>>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the Performance >>>>>>>> tab, what does the CPU usage % show? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie > > |
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Your Welcome and good luck.
JS
"William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23nhSBjIrHHA.1380[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Thanks for all the help, JS. I think I've > learned all I can, and will live with iy. > Thanks again.//Bill// > > JS wrote: >> Ok, we have identified that the HP Boot optimization was part of the >> problem, >> You've cleaned and defragged the hard drive as well as loaded the most >> recent video drivers. >> Checked the no other process was eating up CPU resources. >> Used AutoRuns to stop some apps from booting. >> >> One thing that may put things back to the way they were is to delete the >> Windows Prefetch files. >> They are located: C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch directory. >> After they are deleted it will take about 4 or 5 reboots for the PC to be >> fully up to speed, you may >> notice that the first few reboots will be slower than usual. After each >> reboot run and exit the >> applications you normally use and then reboot again and repeat the >> process of running common >> applications. >> >> >> Information on the Prefetch files and how they are used. >> http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Gaining-Speed-Empty-Prefetch-XP.html>> >> JS >> >> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:OegxDnGrHHA.4768[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Another good thought, JS, but, no, I have an icon to IE >>> just for those rare cases where some app demands it, but >>> I was Netscape from NS2 on until Mozilla and Firefox >>> arrived, and that's all I do for mail and browsing. >>> WBL >>> >>> JS wrote: >>>> Not using IE7 by any chance? >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>> news:eldkvLFrHHA.4100[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> All good thought, JS, but I been there, done them all, defrag >>>>> and chkdsk/r in addition. Hard drive.....partition is 20 GB with >>>>> 25% unused....../WBL/ >>>>> >>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>> Have you used Windows built-in Disk Cleanup utility lately to clean >>>>>> up/remove temp files and other trash from your PC lately. >>>>>> Also how much free space do you have remaining on your hard drive? >>>>>> >>>>>> JS >>>>>> >>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:OZwZYmErHHA.4180[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> No, JS, that isn't the answer. CPU usage was pretty heavy (50 >>>>>>> to 70% while NSW was loading all of its stuff) but went down >>>>>>> to almost nothing for several seconds while screen blanked. >>>>>>> When it came back on, the line showed steady, very little CPU, >>>>>>> bother before, during, and after blanking. >>>>>>> WBL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote: >>>>>>>> Very low CPU usage under most circumstances, JS. But I will >>>>>>>> make a test to see what it shows during bootup. I'l put >>>>>>>> the offender back in and reboot, and watch CPU usage as >>>>>>>> the screen blanks. Good thought..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS wrote: >>>>>>>>> You have more than enough memory. Lets see if something is loading >>>>>>>>> down the CPU and causing the slow refresh. >>>>>>>>> Starting Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del keys), click on the >>>>>>>>> Performance tab, what does the CPU usage % show? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie[ at ]nospam.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%234$bmCXqHHA.4520[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> My XP system has developed a new quirk during boot-up. >>>>>>>>>> Everything acts normally up to the point where all the >>>>>>>>>> icons appear as underdeveloped and then fill in with >>>>>>>>>> their identities. The next step, always, and I'm used >>>>>>>>>> to it, is that Norton Protection Center goes through its >>>>>>>>>> checking and announced all is well in the toolbar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now the screen goes blank, black, for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, >>>>>>>>>> and comes right back, and boot-up is complete. This is new >>>>>>>>>> and I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, I haven't installed anything new lately (except maybe a >>>>>>>>>> few routine Windows Update non-critical updates), and, yes, >>>>>>>>>> I've done complete virus checks and SpyBot and AdAware and >>>>>>>>>> Defrag and ChkDsk/R and everything comes up clean. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe it ain't broke and I don't have to fix it.......but >>>>>>>>>> has anybody a clue as to why this is, and how do I get rid >>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks................ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Lurie >>
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