PHONE REACTIVATION WHY iqon 6/1/2007 10:11:02 PM If i activated the first install of windows vista over the internet why when i av'e to install vista again, i av'e to use the phone service to call in for activation on the reinstall. And av'e been reading these posts that when people install drivers for hardware or software, they av'e to reactivate they copy of vista again WHY. So if somebody upgrades they hardware they could reactivate they copy of vista about 10 times a year or more if they av'e problems I dont see the point of this kind of activation,where u av'e to reactivate every time u update a driver, or put in a new video card. I know alot of people that wont buy windows vista? When i asked them why not,they say that the activation would realy get on my nerves, I will stick with xp. Thanks IQON

Re: PHONE REACTIVATION WHY "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit[ at ]mvps.org.NOSPAM> 6/2/2007 12:35:24 PM Updating drivers doesn't require activation. Changing major components in your PC does. The same procedure existed in XP. If you are replacing hardware regularly, as far as activation goes, the information the PC gathers from the hardware doesn't match with the original activation file. In this instance activation will be requested. I know a lot of people don't like activation but changing hardware is as good as installing Vista or XP on another machine. Because the activation process is automated it cannot distinguish whether you have moved the copy of vista to a new machine or simply upgraded that machine. It only has a set of numbers to check by. Activation is no big deal. Adobe and many other software companies also now demand that you activate the product so why all the fuss? I haven't changed any hardware in my PC but I've re-installed Vista three times so far and activated automatically over the internet. Even if I had to call the activation line it would be a problem. It isn't costing me anything other than about 10 to 20 minutes of my time depending upon whether activation goes through automatically or whether I need to speak to a support technician about activation. There are a probably, depending upon your viewpoint, a thousand and one reason not to install Vista, Activation isn't one of them! -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows - Shell/User Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "iqon" <iqon[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B13C2B6D-AFC9-423F-B0E7-D5E71C8CA058[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > If i activated the first install of windows vista over the internet why > when i av'e to install vista again, i av'e to use the phone service to > call > in for activation on the reinstall. > And av'e been reading these posts that when people install drivers for > hardware or software, they av'e to reactivate they copy of vista again > WHY. > So if somebody upgrades they hardware they could reactivate they copy of > vista about 10 times a year or more if they av'e problems I dont see the > point of this kind of activation,where u av'e to reactivate every time u > update a driver, or put in a new video card. I know alot of people that > wont > buy windows vista? When i asked them why not,they say that the activation > would realy get on my nerves, I will stick with xp. > > Thanks > IQON >

Re: PHONE REACTIVATION WHY iqon 6/2/2007 5:10:01 PM I dont av'e a problem with activation, the problem i av'e is using the phone and explaining myself to customer services because iv'e updated my hardware. I update my hardware alot and this kind of activation is a pain in the neck, And what about the activation problem,where it trys to reactive when it is already activatied,even when theys been no hardware or software changes. Like i said i dont mind activation,its just the phone method, i dont like. Thanks for replying John IQON:) "John Barnett MVP" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Updating drivers doesn't require activation. Changing major components in > your PC does. The same procedure existed in XP. If you are replacing > hardware regularly, as far as activation goes, the information the PC > gathers from the hardware doesn't match with the original activation file. > In this instance activation will be requested. I know a lot of people don't > like activation but changing hardware is as good as installing Vista or XP > on another machine. Because the activation process is automated it cannot > distinguish whether you have moved the copy of vista to a new machine or > simply upgraded that machine. It only has a set of numbers to check by. > Activation is no big deal. Adobe and many other software companies also now > demand that you activate the product so why all the fuss? I haven't changed > any hardware in my PC but I've re-installed Vista three times so far and > activated automatically over the internet. Even if I had to call the > activation line it would be a problem. It isn't costing me anything other > than about 10 to 20 minutes of my time depending upon whether activation > goes through automatically or whether I need to speak to a support > technician about activation. There are a probably, depending upon your > viewpoint, a thousand and one reason not to install Vista, Activation isn't > one of them! > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Associate Expert > Windows - Shell/User > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > "iqon" <iqon[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B13C2B6D-AFC9-423F-B0E7-D5E71C8CA058[ at ]microsoft.com... > > If i activated the first install of windows vista over the internet why > > when i av'e to install vista again, i av'e to use the phone service to > > call > > in for activation on the reinstall. > > And av'e been reading these posts that when people install drivers for > > hardware or software, they av'e to reactivate they copy of vista again > > WHY. > > So if somebody upgrades they hardware they could reactivate they copy of > > vista about 10 times a year or more if they av'e problems I dont see the > > point of this kind of activation,where u av'e to reactivate every time u > > update a driver, or put in a new video card. I know alot of people that > > wont > > buy windows vista? When i asked them why not,they say that the activation > > would realy get on my nerves, I will stick with xp. > > > > Thanks > > IQON > > > >

Re: PHONE REACTIVATION WHY Chris 6/2/2007 11:03:00 PM I disagree with you. I have had to phone in activation 2 times since installing Vista. Each time I have only updated my display driver and have not added nor removed any hardware. It's quite frustrating actually to have to reactivate when only trying to keep your drivers up to date and more compatible with Vista. I never had to reactivate in XP. Also activation is not a big deal if it works properly. I have bought and paid for this software. Installed it on only this machine, however to have to CALL in each time is crazy. Why can't it activate online. Even assuming that the display driver causes reactivation because it changed the way the card is recognized, why should that cause deactivation? One piece of hardware? It seems Vista's activation software is a little too paranoid. "John Barnett MVP" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Updating drivers doesn't require activation. Changing major components in > your PC does. The same procedure existed in XP. If you are replacing > hardware regularly, as far as activation goes, the information the PC > gathers from the hardware doesn't match with the original activation file. > In this instance activation will be requested. I know a lot of people don't > like activation but changing hardware is as good as installing Vista or XP > on another machine. Because the activation process is automated it cannot > distinguish whether you have moved the copy of vista to a new machine or > simply upgraded that machine. It only has a set of numbers to check by. > Activation is no big deal. Adobe and many other software companies also now > demand that you activate the product so why all the fuss? I haven't changed > any hardware in my PC but I've re-installed Vista three times so far and > activated automatically over the internet. Even if I had to call the > activation line it would be a problem. It isn't costing me anything other > than about 10 to 20 minutes of my time depending upon whether activation > goes through automatically or whether I need to speak to a support > technician about activation. There are a probably, depending upon your > viewpoint, a thousand and one reason not to install Vista, Activation isn't > one of them! > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Associate Expert > Windows - Shell/User > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > "iqon" <iqon[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B13C2B6D-AFC9-423F-B0E7-D5E71C8CA058[ at ]microsoft.com... > > If i activated the first install of windows vista over the internet why > > when i av'e to install vista again, i av'e to use the phone service to > > call > > in for activation on the reinstall. > > And av'e been reading these posts that when people install drivers for > > hardware or software, they av'e to reactivate they copy of vista again > > WHY. > > So if somebody upgrades they hardware they could reactivate they copy of > > vista about 10 times a year or more if they av'e problems I dont see the > > point of this kind of activation,where u av'e to reactivate every time u > > update a driver, or put in a new video card. I know alot of people that > > wont > > buy windows vista? When i asked them why not,they say that the activation > > would realy get on my nerves, I will stick with xp. > > > > Thanks > > IQON > > > >

Re: PHONE REACTIVATION WHY iNexxFear 7/6/2007 12:10:00 PM I agree totally with Chris's Remark.... I just purchased a new HP M8120N, and it came with Home Premium by the OEM... I decieded to purchase the upgrade yesterday at ~6:00 PM and installed without a hitch... I then activated it electronically all is well.. Then as I continue to go on through the day installing and updating software... Finally connecting up some of the hardware from my Old Laptop (MS Wireless Keyboard and Mouse set 7000 series, my fingerprint reader, and USB stick for readyboost). I then get notified that hardware has changed and that I need to re-activate... This is at 10:00 PM and it won't go electronically... No I need to call MS support and spend the time doing this activation... Its disturbing.... I know that the major components of the Activation rely on: Video Card Processor Serial Number Mother Board But what else??? I'm trying to figure out what else I have to still connect that is going to cause me further headache's.... Nothing like spending lots of money on a new system and spending more time on the phone with microsoft! Whoopieeee! Little agriviated, can you tell!??!!?!? "Chris" wrote: [Quoted Text] > I disagree with you. I have had to phone in activation 2 times since > installing Vista. Each time I have only updated my display driver and have > not added nor removed any hardware. It's quite frustrating actually to have > to reactivate when only trying to keep your drivers up to date and more > compatible with Vista. I never had to reactivate in XP. > > Also activation is not a big deal if it works properly. I have bought and > paid for this software. Installed it on only this machine, however to have > to CALL in each time is crazy. Why can't it activate online. Even assuming > that the display driver causes reactivation because it changed the way the > card is recognized, why should that cause deactivation? One piece of > hardware? It seems Vista's activation software is a little too paranoid. > > "John Barnett MVP" wrote: > > > Updating drivers doesn't require activation. Changing major components in > > your PC does. The same procedure existed in XP. If you are replacing > > hardware regularly, as far as activation goes, the information the PC > > gathers from the hardware doesn't match with the original activation file. > > In this instance activation will be requested. I know a lot of people don't > > like activation but changing hardware is as good as installing Vista or XP > > on another machine. Because the activation process is automated it cannot > > distinguish whether you have moved the copy of vista to a new machine or > > simply upgraded that machine. It only has a set of numbers to check by. > > Activation is no big deal. Adobe and many other software companies also now > > demand that you activate the product so why all the fuss? I haven't changed > > any hardware in my PC but I've re-installed Vista three times so far and > > activated automatically over the internet. Even if I had to call the > > activation line it would be a problem. It isn't costing me anything other > > than about 10 to 20 minutes of my time depending upon whether activation > > goes through automatically or whether I need to speak to a support > > technician about activation. There are a probably, depending upon your > > viewpoint, a thousand and one reason not to install Vista, Activation isn't > > one of them! > > > > -- > > John Barnett MVP > > Associate Expert > > Windows - Shell/User > > > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > > > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for > > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the > > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > > mail/post.. > > > > "iqon" <iqon[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:B13C2B6D-AFC9-423F-B0E7-D5E71C8CA058[ at ]microsoft.com... > > > If i activated the first install of windows vista over the internet why > > > when i av'e to install vista again, i av'e to use the phone service to > > > call > > > in for activation on the reinstall. > > > And av'e been reading these posts that when people install drivers for > > > hardware or software, they av'e to reactivate they copy of vista again > > > WHY. > > > So if somebody upgrades they hardware they could reactivate they copy of > > > vista about 10 times a year or more if they av'e problems I dont see the > > > point of this kind of activation,where u av'e to reactivate every time u > > > update a driver, or put in a new video card. I know alot of people that > > > wont > > > buy windows vista? When i asked them why not,they say that the activation > > > would realy get on my nerves, I will stick with xp. > > > > > > Thanks > > > IQON > > > > > > >

Re: PHONE REACTIVATION WHY "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv[ at ]invalid.org> 7/6/2007 6:25:16 PM There isn't a lot of information that can be easily found on the activation components, but here is what I have seen. The following list shows each component that is included and the numeric value for each activation component. If a weight value of 25 is met or exceeded, then re-activation is required. These values are cumulative and have a timed period of 120 days. ( ie: the component list is reset every 120 days) Component Class Name = Default Weight CD-ROM/CD-RW/DVD-ROM = 1 IDE Adapter = 3 Physical OS Hard Drive Device Serial# = 11 Display Adapter = 1 SCSI Adapter = 2 Audio Adapter = 2 Network Adapter MAX Address = 2 Processor = 3 RAM Amount Range (i.e. 0-512mb, 512–1 GB) = 1 BIOS ID (‘0’ always matches) = 9 There is no denying that there are glitches in the activation components. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "iNexxFear" <iNexxFear[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:76CD7E76-30B2-4EAB-8E3D-11B6BD559E43[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] >I agree totally with Chris's Remark.... > > I just purchased a new HP M8120N, and it came with Home Premium by the > OEM... I decieded to purchase the upgrade yesterday at ~6:00 PM and > installed without a hitch... I then activated it electronically all is > well.. > > Then as I continue to go on through the day installing and updating > software... Finally connecting up some of the hardware from my Old Laptop > (MS > Wireless Keyboard and Mouse set 7000 series, my fingerprint reader, and > USB > stick for readyboost). I then get notified that hardware has changed and > that > I need to re-activate... This is at 10:00 PM and it won't go > electronically... No I need to call MS support and spend the time doing > this > activation... > > Its disturbing.... I know that the major components of the Activation rely > on: > > Video Card > Processor Serial Number > Mother Board > > But what else??? I'm trying to figure out what else I have to still > connect > that is going to cause me further headache's.... Nothing like spending > lots > of money on a new system and spending more time on the phone with > microsoft! > Whoopieeee! > > Little agriviated, can you tell!??!!?!? > > "Chris" wrote: > >> I disagree with you. I have had to phone in activation 2 times since >> installing Vista. Each time I have only updated my display driver and >> have >> not added nor removed any hardware. It's quite frustrating actually to >> have >> to reactivate when only trying to keep your drivers up to date and more >> compatible with Vista. I never had to reactivate in XP. >> >> Also activation is not a big deal if it works properly. I have bought >> and >> paid for this software. Installed it on only this machine, however to >> have >> to CALL in each time is crazy. Why can't it activate online. Even >> assuming >> that the display driver causes reactivation because it changed the way >> the >> card is recognized, why should that cause deactivation? One piece of >> hardware? It seems Vista's activation software is a little too paranoid. >> >> "John Barnett MVP" wrote: >> >> > Updating drivers doesn't require activation. Changing major components >> > in >> > your PC does. The same procedure existed in XP. If you are replacing >> > hardware regularly, as far as activation goes, the information the PC >> > gathers from the hardware doesn't match with the original activation >> > file. >> > In this instance activation will be requested. I know a lot of people >> > don't >> > like activation but changing hardware is as good as installing Vista or >> > XP >> > on another machine. Because the activation process is automated it >> > cannot >> > distinguish whether you have moved the copy of vista to a new machine >> > or >> > simply upgraded that machine. It only has a set of numbers to check by. >> > Activation is no big deal. Adobe and many other software companies also >> > now >> > demand that you activate the product so why all the fuss? I haven't >> > changed >> > any hardware in my PC but I've re-installed Vista three times so far >> > and >> > activated automatically over the internet. Even if I had to call the >> > activation line it would be a problem. It isn't costing me anything >> > other >> > than about 10 to 20 minutes of my time depending upon whether >> > activation >> > goes through automatically or whether I need to speak to a support >> > technician about activation. There are a probably, depending upon your >> > viewpoint, a thousand and one reason not to install Vista, Activation >> > isn't >> > one of them! >> > >> > -- >> > John Barnett MVP >> > Associate Expert >> > Windows - Shell/User >> > >> > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> > >> > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of >> > any >> > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be >> > liable for >> > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out >> > of the >> > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> > mail/post.. >> > >> > "iqon" <iqon[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:B13C2B6D-AFC9-423F-B0E7-D5E71C8CA058[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > > If i activated the first install of windows vista over the internet >> > > why >> > > when i av'e to install vista again, i av'e to use the phone service >> > > to >> > > call >> > > in for activation on the reinstall. >> > > And av'e been reading these posts that when people install drivers >> > > for >> > > hardware or software, they av'e to reactivate they copy of vista >> > > again >> > > WHY. >> > > So if somebody upgrades they hardware they could reactivate they copy >> > > of >> > > vista about 10 times a year or more if they av'e problems I dont see >> > > the >> > > point of this kind of activation,where u av'e to reactivate every >> > > time u >> > > update a driver, or put in a new video card. I know alot of people >> > > that >> > > wont >> > > buy windows vista? When i asked them why not,they say that the >> > > activation >> > > would realy get on my nerves, I will stick with xp. >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > IQON >> > > >> > >> >