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Activation Question
Master P 6/30/2007 11:10:00 PM
Hi all

When you install vista it will ask you to type in your key.
However you don't have to do this

My question is:
What's better?
- To type my key when tey ask me to during installation?
or
- Continue without inserting my key, download all updates from MS and then
activate?

Thanks


Re: Activation Question
"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo[ at ]hotmail.com> 6/30/2007 11:21:33 PM
Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format.

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Hello,

I always type in my product key if I have one. So I can assure that I =
don't install the wrong version (you can choose which Vista version you =
want to install if you don't submit a product key) and avoid a =
reinstall.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo

"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag =
news:BD04B13C-FB4F-44C8-962C-D40277DC62CE[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi all
>=20
> When you install vista it will ask you to type in your key.
> However you don't have to do this
>=20
> My question is:
> What's better?
> - To type my key when tey ask me to during installation?
> or
> - Continue without inserting my key, download all updates from MS and =
then=20
> activate?
>=20
> Thanks
>=20
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Re: Activation Question
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter[ at ]hotnomail.com> 7/1/2007 6:00:49 AM
I suggest you type the key during installation when requested.
Entering the key is not the same as activating.
You do not need to Activate for 30 days whether the key is entered or
not.

I wait about 3 weeks to activate if practical.
That ensures everything is OK and there is plenty of time if there are
activation issues.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BD04B13C-FB4F-44C8-962C-D40277DC62CE[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi all
>
> When you install vista it will ask you to type in your key.
> However you don't have to do this
>
> My question is:
> What's better?
> - To type my key when tey ask me to during installation?
> or
> - Continue without inserting my key, download all updates from MS
> and then
> activate?
>
> Thanks
>
>

Re: Activation Question
"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews[ at ]nospam.mvps.org> 7/1/2007 2:45:49 PM
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 00:00:49 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

[Quoted Text]
>I suggest you type the key during installation when requested.
>Entering the key is not the same as activating.

Be sure to DISable "automatic activation" in that case, or stay
offline so it can't "call home".

>You do not need to Activate for 30 days whether the key is entered or
>not. I wait about 3 weeks to activate if practical.

Me2..

>That ensures everything is OK and there is plenty of time if there are
>activation issues.

It's a tricky call, whether to enter the code "early" or not.

The good thing about entering the code during setup is that the
installation process will know what feature set to install, because
the code informs it what edition you have.

The bad thing is that the default "automatically activate" setting may
allow the OS to activate itself before you are ready to do so, e.g.
before you've finalized your hardware spec, or before you can change
the code if the one you plan to live with is different, etc.



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To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
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Re: Activation Question
"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit[ at ]mvps.org.NOSPAM> 7/1/2007 4:29:24 PM
My product key is always typed in when it is asked for during installation.
The one thing I 'always' remember to do, though, is to disable the option to
activate when online. If this option isn't disabled, as soon as you finish
installing and then log onto the internet vista will proceed with
activation - this is something you don't want at this early stage.

I like to test out the system for a few week before I activate. This gives
you the option to see that everything is working okay and, if it isn't, you
can easily re-install without having to worry about activating the system a
second time within a few weeks.


--
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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

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"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BD04B13C-FB4F-44C8-962C-D40277DC62CE[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hi all
>
> When you install vista it will ask you to type in your key.
> However you don't have to do this
>
> My question is:
> What's better?
> - To type my key when tey ask me to during installation?
> or
> - Continue without inserting my key, download all updates from MS and then
> activate?
>
> Thanks
>
>

Re: Activation Question
Master P 7/1/2007 5:18:01 PM
But I know which version im gonna install ( Business x86 ).
So what now?

Re: Activation Question
"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo[ at ]hotmail.com> 7/1/2007 5:32:45 PM
Hello,

if I had my Business key, I'd type it in now.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo

"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:D99A8668-A38C-4F8E-8DD3-71F74CEAE327[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> But I know which version im gonna install ( Business x86 ).
> So what now?
>
Re: Activation Question
"Kerry Brown" <kerry[ at ]kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> 7/2/2007 12:43:14 AM
It won't make any difference if you don't type it in and pick the correct
version. My question is - What do you expect to gain from this? I don't know
of any upside to not entering the key other than you can try a different
version for a limited time. I don't know of any downside to entering the key
if it is for the version you intend to use. As other's have already pointed
out entering the key during the install doesn't have to mean the key is
activated.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D99A8668-A38C-4F8E-8DD3-71F74CEAE327[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> But I know which version im gonna install ( Business x86 ).
> So what now?
>

Re: Activation Question
"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews[ at ]nospam.mvps.org> 7/2/2007 12:15:15 PM
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:43:14 -0700, "Kerry Brown"

[Quoted Text]
>It won't make any difference if you don't type it in and pick the correct
>version. My question is - What do you expect to gain from this? I don't know
>of any upside to not entering the key other than you can try a different
>version for a limited time. I don't know of any downside to entering the key
>if it is for the version you intend to use. As other's have already pointed
>out entering the key during the install doesn't have to mean the key is
>activated.

The problem is that "auto-activate" is the duhfault, so anything that
happens that might re-impose duhfaults could pose that risk.

Is "auto-activate" silent, or does it prompt for permission first?

It wouldn't matter so much if one didn't have to beg to undo a
mistaken activation to change key, and if we knew MS wasn't limiting
number of permitted activations, if we could see whether hardware
changes (or perceived changes) had lost lives, and if we could reset
the lost-life count once the system was finalized.

But as it is, MS are quite opaque on these matters (as one might
expect from someone coding against your interests), so the trust just
isn't there. The only way to be totally sure that a key is not
inadvertently leaked, is to make sure it is not known to the system.


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Re: Activation Question
Master P 7/2/2007 10:18:01 PM
Sorry guys

What i wanted to know was if I should activate during the install or not
Asking a few question before installing vista
If someone with exerience in installing vista can give me a recommended way
to install vista will be very great

Again thanks!!
Re: Activation Question
"Kerry Brown" <kerry[ at ]kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> 7/2/2007 11:22:54 PM
"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8D7F451B-9746-44CD-A17D-D3FE4F6F5D99[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Sorry guys
>
> What i wanted to know was if I should activate during the install or not
> Asking a few question before installing vista
> If someone with exerience in installing vista can give me a recommended
> way
> to install vista will be very great
>
> Again thanks!!


I would say no. When installing anything that needs activation I delay the
activation until I'm sure everything is working properly.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Re: Activation Question
Bruce Chambers <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> 7/3/2007 1:02:41 AM
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
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>
>
> The problem is that "auto-activate" is the duhfault, so anything that
> happens that might re-impose duhfaults could pose that risk.
>
> Is "auto-activate" silent, or does it prompt for permission first?
>

It prompts for permission, first, so it's not 100% automatic. I
deferred activation until I was confident the device drivers I'd found
truly worked.



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Re: Activation Question
"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit[ at ]mvps.org.NOSPAM> 7/3/2007 2:04:17 PM
When installing disable the option to activate as soon as Vista logs on. I
always leave activation until I have used Vista for 2 or 3 weeks. By this
time I know that everything is working Okay, then I activate.

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"Master P" <MasterP[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry guys
>
> What i wanted to know was if I should activate during the install or not
> Asking a few question before installing vista
> If someone with exerience in installing vista can give me a recommended
> way
> to install vista will be very great
>
> Again thanks!!

Re: Activation Question
"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews[ at ]nospam.mvps.org> 7/3/2007 8:08:21 PM
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:02:41 -0600, Bruce Chambers
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>cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

>> The problem is that "auto-activate" is the duhfault, so anything that
>> happens that might re-impose duhfaults could pose that risk.

>> Is "auto-activate" silent, or does it prompt for permission first?

> It prompts for permission, first, so it's not 100% automatic. I
>deferred activation until I was confident the device drivers I'd found
>truly worked.

Cool - I wanted to be 100% sure about that :-)

I'm building systems via WAIK, so I prefer the original image not to
have a key in it, just for safety's sake. The testing and imaging
process often involves a bit of fiddling with SysPrep and answer files
etc. and non-default "don't auto-activate' setting could get lost.

About 1 in 10 builds have had to revert to XP, due to "legacy" (as in,
"what folks are already actually using") issues. If those initial
Vista installations activate, it can get messy...



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"Vigilante" <kewlvigilante[ at ]hotmail.com> 7/6/2007 12:22:12 AM
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They need to set up activation into a chat system period.
Also due to the major hardware change paranoia, they need a reasonable =
bypass.
I simply don't need to hear a foreign accent mucking up the English =
language with something phonetically illegible to begin with.
Definitely will not pay a toll fee for upgrading my system.

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews[ at ]nospam.mvps.org> wrote =
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 00:00:49 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"=20

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>I suggest you type the key during installation when requested.
>Entering the key is not the same as activating.

Be sure to DISable "automatic activation" in that case, or stay
offline so it can't "call home".

>You do not need to Activate for 30 days whether the key is entered or=20
>not. I wait about 3 weeks to activate if practical.

Me2..

>That ensures everything is OK and there is plenty of time if there are=20
>activation issues.

It's a tricky call, whether to enter the code "early" or not.

The good thing about entering the code during setup is that the
installation process will know what feature set to install, because
the code informs it what edition you have.

The bad thing is that the default "automatically activate" setting may
allow the OS to activate itself before you are ready to do so, e.g.
before you've finalized your hardware spec, or before you can change
the code if the one you plan to live with is different, etc.



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