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Thread: WSUS and .NET Framework 2.0

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WSUS and .NET Framework 2.0
Toph 7/3/2007 6:36:01 PM
Hello,
I've got kind of a unique situation. I have a group of systems (200+) that
are internal, and run a custom application. These computers are Windows XP
SP1 systems. They do not have SP2 or any subsequent updates applied to them.
In transitioning to a new version of this custom application, we required the
..NET Framework version 2.0 installed.

In a manual testing enviroment, we are able to install just the Windows
Installer v3.1 and .NET Framework v2.0 redist installs and everything works.
To publish these updates out in a network enviroment, we installed a WSUS
server and approved all WSUS updates (including the Windows Installer) and
then the .NET Framework packages.

Windows Installer 3.1 installed successfully, however the .NET Framework
returned a green light but when viewing the report, the update showed as "Not
Applicable". Why wouldn't this update be applicable? All listed prerequisites
have been met for this update, and it CAN be installed with the redist
package manually.

Any ideas on why this isn't working?
Re: WSUS and .NET Framework 2.0
"Lawrence Garvin \(MVP\)" <onsitech[ at ]community.nospam> 7/4/2007 12:21:51 AM
"Toph" <Toph[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DB000D36-8D00-4AD7-88D9-891C3EFEA85F[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hello,
> I've got kind of a unique situation. I have a group of systems (200+) that
> are internal, and run a custom application. These computers are Windows XP
> SP1 systems. They do not have SP2 or any subsequent updates applied to
> them.
> In transitioning to a new version of this custom application, we required
> the
> .NET Framework version 2.0 installed.
>
> In a manual testing enviroment, we are able to install just the Windows
> Installer v3.1 and .NET Framework v2.0 redist installs and everything
> works.
> To publish these updates out in a network enviroment, we installed a WSUS
> server and approved all WSUS updates (including the Windows Installer) and
> then the .NET Framework packages.
>
> Windows Installer 3.1 installed successfully, however the .NET Framework
> returned a green light but when viewing the report, the update showed as
> "Not
> Applicable". Why wouldn't this update be applicable? All listed
> prerequisites
> have been met for this update, and it CAN be installed with the redist
> package manually.
>
> Any ideas on why this isn't working?

Well, without digging into the specifics of installing .NET Framework v2.0
on an (unsupported) operating system (XP SP1), I can think of three possible
reasons immediately:

[a] Installation of the Windows Installer v3.1 is an *exclusive*/*mandatory*
update for WSUS clients. Until that package is installed, and reported back
to the WSUS Server as "Installed", the Windows Update Agent will *not*
detect/download any other MSI-based installers (including .NET Framework
packages).

[b] .NET Framework v2.0 detection logic is determining that it cannot be
supported on an XP SP1 system (even though you were able to successfully
force the installation on that unsupported operating system).

[c] One or more updates, post-SP1/pre-SP2, have not been applied which are
*required* in order to install .NET Framework v2.0 -- also something you
would not have encountered as a result of forcing the installation from the
redist.

If the reason is [a], then the issue should resolve itself upon the next
detection event after reporting the successful reboot from installing
Windows Installer v3.1

If the reason is [b], then you'll have to force the installation of .NET
Framework 2.0 on your XP SP1 systems.

If the reason is [c], then you'll need to identify what the "missing"
post-SP1 update are that .NET Framework needs to see in order to be
installed via WSUS.


You should also be extremely conscious of the fact that XP SP1 is an
unsupported operating system platform, and .NET Framework v2.0 is
unsupported on an XP SP1 system, and any applications (Microsoft,
particularly) written to use the .NET Framework v2.0 will also be
unsupported on an XP SP1 system.

Furthermore, since you're "transitioning to a new version of this custom
application", it's absolutely the time also to get this "custom application"
working on a *supported* Windows XP Service Pack 2 platform. Unless this is
an in-house "custom application" (in which case there's no excuse at all for
not supporting the *latest* OS/SP), your vendor couldn't possibly have
developed this application to use .NET Framework v2.0, unless their
development machines were running Windows XP SP2 or Windows Server 2003 --
either of which is required to develop with .NET Framework v2.0 -- which
means that the application should be fully functional on XP SP2. Further,
I'd be surprised if your *vendor* is willing to support their application in
an XP SP1/.NET Framework v2 environment!


--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP
Independent WSUS Evangelist
MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007)
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=30E00990-8F1D-4774-BD62-D095EB07B36E

Everything you need for WSUS is at
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/technologies/featured/wsus/default.mspx

And, almost everything else is at
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
.....



Re: WSUS and .NET Framework 2.0
Toph 7/4/2007 3:20:04 AM
Hi Lawrence,
Thanks for replying. I know the issue is not [a] as in our test group we
have the detection interval set at 1 hour. However, [b] and [c] are both
likely cases.

Without getting into too many specifics, we are looking at this solution as
a very temporary one. The new version of our application does support SP2,
however our current one does not. We need to run both concurrently for a
period of time before we end up re-imaging all these stations anyways.

We may have to look at publishing the .NET Framework 2.0 as an MSI
application through GPOs/AD.

Thanks again!

-Christoph Blecker, MCSA, MCDST, MCP

"Lawrence Garvin (MVP)" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> "Toph" <Toph[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:DB000D36-8D00-4AD7-88D9-891C3EFEA85F[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Hello,
> > I've got kind of a unique situation. I have a group of systems (200+) that
> > are internal, and run a custom application. These computers are Windows XP
> > SP1 systems. They do not have SP2 or any subsequent updates applied to
> > them.
> > In transitioning to a new version of this custom application, we required
> > the
> > .NET Framework version 2.0 installed.
> >
> > In a manual testing enviroment, we are able to install just the Windows
> > Installer v3.1 and .NET Framework v2.0 redist installs and everything
> > works.
> > To publish these updates out in a network enviroment, we installed a WSUS
> > server and approved all WSUS updates (including the Windows Installer) and
> > then the .NET Framework packages.
> >
> > Windows Installer 3.1 installed successfully, however the .NET Framework
> > returned a green light but when viewing the report, the update showed as
> > "Not
> > Applicable". Why wouldn't this update be applicable? All listed
> > prerequisites
> > have been met for this update, and it CAN be installed with the redist
> > package manually.
> >
> > Any ideas on why this isn't working?
>
> Well, without digging into the specifics of installing .NET Framework v2.0
> on an (unsupported) operating system (XP SP1), I can think of three possible
> reasons immediately:
>
> [a] Installation of the Windows Installer v3.1 is an *exclusive*/*mandatory*
> update for WSUS clients. Until that package is installed, and reported back
> to the WSUS Server as "Installed", the Windows Update Agent will *not*
> detect/download any other MSI-based installers (including .NET Framework
> packages).
>
> [b] .NET Framework v2.0 detection logic is determining that it cannot be
> supported on an XP SP1 system (even though you were able to successfully
> force the installation on that unsupported operating system).
>
> [c] One or more updates, post-SP1/pre-SP2, have not been applied which are
> *required* in order to install .NET Framework v2.0 -- also something you
> would not have encountered as a result of forcing the installation from the
> redist.
>
> If the reason is [a], then the issue should resolve itself upon the next
> detection event after reporting the successful reboot from installing
> Windows Installer v3.1
>
> If the reason is [b], then you'll have to force the installation of .NET
> Framework 2.0 on your XP SP1 systems.
>
> If the reason is [c], then you'll need to identify what the "missing"
> post-SP1 update are that .NET Framework needs to see in order to be
> installed via WSUS.
>
>
> You should also be extremely conscious of the fact that XP SP1 is an
> unsupported operating system platform, and .NET Framework v2.0 is
> unsupported on an XP SP1 system, and any applications (Microsoft,
> particularly) written to use the .NET Framework v2.0 will also be
> unsupported on an XP SP1 system.
>
> Furthermore, since you're "transitioning to a new version of this custom
> application", it's absolutely the time also to get this "custom application"
> working on a *supported* Windows XP Service Pack 2 platform. Unless this is
> an in-house "custom application" (in which case there's no excuse at all for
> not supporting the *latest* OS/SP), your vendor couldn't possibly have
> developed this application to use .NET Framework v2.0, unless their
> development machines were running Windows XP SP2 or Windows Server 2003 --
> either of which is required to develop with .NET Framework v2.0 -- which
> means that the application should be fully functional on XP SP2. Further,
> I'd be surprised if your *vendor* is willing to support their application in
> an XP SP1/.NET Framework v2 environment!
>
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP
> Independent WSUS Evangelist
> MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007)
> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=30E00990-8F1D-4774-BD62-D095EB07B36E
>
> Everything you need for WSUS is at
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/technologies/featured/wsus/default.mspx
>
> And, almost everything else is at
> http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
> .....
>
>
>
>

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