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Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
ericsc <ericsc[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> 5/16/2007 2:00:04 PM

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Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
"Fei Cao \(MSFT\)" <feicao[ at ]online.microsoft.com> 5/16/2007 4:28:02 PM
Hello,
If it was upgraded from SUS 1.0, why SUS 1.0 is still in the Add/remove
progs ? Can you try to remove SUS1.0 from there?

--
Fei Cao
Microsoft, WSUS

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"ericsc" <ericsc[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:464AD623.818A.00D5.3[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> This box has upgraded from SUS1 to Wsus2 and now to 3, I get a message at
> the start of the Wsus3 install that SUS 1.0 must be uninstalled first but
> I see a way to do this since it was upgraded to Wsus 2. Add/remove progs
> has Microsoft Software Update Services (support info version
> 5.4.3630.2552) and Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack 1
>
> Any help would be appreciated


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> This box has upgraded from SUS1 to Wsus2 and now to 3, I get a message at
> the start of the Wsus3 install that SUS 1.0 must be uninstalled first but
> I see a way to do this since it was upgraded to Wsus 2. Add/remove progs
> has Microsoft Software Update Services (support info version
> 5.4.3630.2552) and Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack 1
>
> Any help would be appreciated


Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
"Dan Albrecht \(MSFT\)" <Dan.Albrecht[ at ]online.microsoft.com> 5/16/2007 9:19:47 PM
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able to do a manual migration between the two versions, but it was not =
an upgrade like WSUS2 to WSUS3 is.

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You need to manually uninstall SUS1 ("Microsoft Software Update =
Services") and try the upgrade to WSUS3 again.


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Microsoft, WSUS

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This box has upgraded from SUS1 to Wsus2 and now to 3, I get a message =
at the start of the Wsus3 install that SUS 1.0 must be uninstalled first =
but I see a way to do this since it was upgraded to Wsus 2. Add/remove =
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Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
"Lawrence Garvin \(MVP\)" <onsitech[ at ]community.nospam> 5/21/2007 12:31:51 AM
"Fei Cao (MSFT)" <feicao[ at ]online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ORLjtc9lHHA.3484[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> Hello,
> If it was upgraded from SUS 1.0, why SUS 1.0 is still in the Add/remove
> progs ? Can you try to remove SUS1.0 from there?

Because... Fei.... the SUS-to-WSUS Migration Guide *correctly* instructed
those admins to *disable* the functionality of SUS by marking the "Default
Web Site" as STOPPED -- but there was never any documentation provide as to
how to *uninstall* SUS 1.0 without breaking the functionality of WSUS v2.0

I discussed that issue many times in this forum during the several months
after release of WSUS 2.0 and it requires either backing up and restoring,
or cloning from the port 8530 website, the /selfupdate and /clientwebservice
v-roots. I suspect many admins (particularly those who never visited this
newgroup), failed to do any of the above.

Now, WSUS 3.0 installer comes along and gripes about the presence of SUS
1.0, But, truth be told, the deficiency is in the SUS-to-WSUS Migration
Guide, for not properly addressing the removal of SUS 1.0 in the first
place. :-(

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP
Independent WSUS Evangelist
MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007)
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=30E00990-8F1D-4774-BD62-D095EB07B36E

Everything you need for WSUS is at
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/technologies/featured/wsus/default.mspx

And, almost everything else is at
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
.....



Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
"Lawrence Garvin \(MVP\)" <onsitech[ at ]community.nospam> 5/21/2007 12:34:06 AM
"Dan Albrecht (MSFT)" <Dan.Albrecht[ at ]online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OJs8v$$lHHA.2596[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Quoted Text]
>There was no upgrade from SUS 1 to WSUS2. WSUS2 and SUS1 could live side
>by side
>without uninstalling either version. I believe you were able to do a
>manual migration between
>the two versions, but it was not an upgrade like WSUS2 to WSUS3 is.

Actually, as documented in the SUS-to-WSUS Migration Guide, the *disabling*
of the SUS server was a recommended step to complete the *migration* from
SUS 1.0 to WSUS 2.0

>You need to manually uninstall SUS1 ("Microsoft Software Update Services")
>and try the upgrade to WSUS3 again.

Unfortunately, this procedure has never been properly documented, and
executing the *SUS* uninstall from A/R Programs will break the /selfupdate
installation on the port 80 server of a SUS-to-WSUS migrated system.

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP
Independent WSUS Evangelist
MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007)
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=30E00990-8F1D-4774-BD62-D095EB07B36E

Everything you need for WSUS is at
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/technologies/featured/wsus/default.mspx

And, almost everything else is at
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
.....


RE: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
Johnnie 5/31/2007 5:39:00 PM
I am having a similar issue:

We did the migration from 1.0 to 2.0 but there is no option for uninstalling
version 1.0.

Advice?

"ericsc" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> This box has upgraded from SUS1 to Wsus2 and now to 3, I get a message at the start of the Wsus3 install that SUS 1.0 must be uninstalled first but I see a way to do this since it was upgraded to Wsus 2. Add/remove progs has Microsoft Software Update Services (support info version 5.4.3630.2552) and Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack 1
>
> Any help would be appreciated
Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.[ at ].alum.mit.edu.nospam> 5/31/2007 6:40:47 PM
The Microsoft Software Update Services is the old SUS. Remove it. You may
have to remove the Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack 1
first.

Mike Ober.

"Johnnie" <Johnnie[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2D2D385-4A85-4127-9D72-F93F85B85572[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I am having a similar issue:
>
> We did the migration from 1.0 to 2.0 but there is no option for
> uninstalling
> version 1.0.
>
> Advice?
>
> "ericsc" wrote:
>
>> This box has upgraded from SUS1 to Wsus2 and now to 3, I get a message at
>> the start of the Wsus3 install that SUS 1.0 must be uninstalled first but
>> I see a way to do this since it was upgraded to Wsus 2. Add/remove progs
>> has Microsoft Software Update Services (support info version
>> 5.4.3630.2552) and Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack
>> 1
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated


Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
Johnnie 5/31/2007 6:48:01 PM

I'll give it a try.

Thanks Michael


"Michael D. Ober" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> The Microsoft Software Update Services is the old SUS. Remove it. You may
> have to remove the Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack 1
> first.
>
> Mike Ober.
>
> "Johnnie" <Johnnie[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2D2D385-4A85-4127-9D72-F93F85B85572[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >I am having a similar issue:
> >
> > We did the migration from 1.0 to 2.0 but there is no option for
> > uninstalling
> > version 1.0.
> >
> > Advice?
> >
> > "ericsc" wrote:
> >
> >> This box has upgraded from SUS1 to Wsus2 and now to 3, I get a message at
> >> the start of the Wsus3 install that SUS 1.0 must be uninstalled first but
> >> I see a way to do this since it was upgraded to Wsus 2. Add/remove progs
> >> has Microsoft Software Update Services (support info version
> >> 5.4.3630.2552) and Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service Pack
> >> 1
> >>
> >> Any help would be appreciated
>
>
>
Re: Upgrade from Wsus2 to 3 fails
"Lawrence Garvin \(MVP\)" <onsitech[ at ]community.nospam> 5/31/2007 8:59:31 PM
"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.[ at ].alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message
news:eXUd2M7oHHA.588[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> The Microsoft Software Update Services is the old SUS. Remove it.

*Removing* Software Update Services 1.0 on a machine migrated from SUS to
WSUS will result in breaking the WSUS installation, unless one has the
proper (and, unfortunately, not yet documented) steps for doing so.

In short, one must manually recreate the /selfupdate virtual directory on
the Default Web Site, because the SUS 1.0 uninstaller will remove it.

>You may have to remove the Microsoft Windows Server Update Services Service
>Pack 1 first.

There is no need to remove WSUS SP1.

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP
Independent WSUS Evangelist
MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007)
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=30E00990-8F1D-4774-BD62-D095EB07B36E

Everything you need for WSUS is at
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/technologies/featured/wsus/default.mspx

And, almost everything else is at
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
.....


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