Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS SHachborn 4/23/2007 7:06:01 PM We are trying to find the best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS -- Printers, switches etc. Scenario: We would like these devices registered in DNS for ease of use by other division support staff. Single Domain Running AD -- DDNS Control of DNS is done by a corporate office Printers need to have the same Ip address (other apps use IP to talk) DHCP Servers local, backup DHCP at different location with helper address. Looking for feedback on how other persons are handling this. Thanks

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS "Herb Martin" <news[ at ]learnquick.com> 4/23/2007 7:28:34 PM "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B11E4C3C-F7D8-474A-A79E-658AAECB6FF3[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > We are trying to find the best approach for registering Non dynamic > devices > in DNS -- Printers, switches etc. > > Scenario: > We would like these devices registered in DNS for ease of use by other > division support staff. > > Single Domain Running AD -- DDNS > Control of DNS is done by a corporate office > Printers need to have the same Ip address (other apps use IP to talk) > DHCP Servers local, backup DHCP at different location with helper > address. > > Looking for feedback on how other persons are handling this. Use DHCP, give them a reservation after the first assignment; and let DHCP do the registration. It's what a lot of us do. -- Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP http://www.LearnQuick.Com (phone on web site)

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS SHachborn 4/23/2007 8:12:06 PM Sorry Herb probably did not give you enough info, our ERP system is Oracle and it is printing though Unix and needs the same Ip address all the time, using a reservation on this and our primary DHCP fails it would get the ip from the backup range and this would not match for printing. For Switches and TS devices we were thinking of setting the reservations on the primary and on the backup DHCP boxes. Thought there might be a Kiss theory that most people are using for all these instances. "Herb Martin" wrote: [Quoted Text] > > "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B11E4C3C-F7D8-474A-A79E-658AAECB6FF3[ at ]microsoft.com... > > We are trying to find the best approach for registering Non dynamic > > devices > > in DNS -- Printers, switches etc. > > > > Scenario: > > We would like these devices registered in DNS for ease of use by other > > division support staff. > > > > Single Domain Running AD -- DDNS > > Control of DNS is done by a corporate office > > Printers need to have the same Ip address (other apps use IP to talk) > > DHCP Servers local, backup DHCP at different location with helper > > address. > > > > Looking for feedback on how other persons are handling this. > > Use DHCP, give them a reservation after the first assignment; and let > DHCP do the registration. > > It's what a lot of us do. > > -- > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP > http://www.LearnQuick.Com > (phone on web site) > > >

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS "Herb Martin" <news[ at ]learnquick.com> 4/23/2007 9:08:43 PM "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:13FBCCD0-1415-483A-908F-B2EEA7EAF6C5[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Sorry Herb probably did not give you enough info, our ERP system is > Oracle > and it is printing though Unix and needs the same Ip address all the time, > using a reservation on this and our primary DHCP fails it would get the ip > from the backup range and this would not match for printing. No, I basically had all of that. Use Windows Server DHCP; give a reservation to each device which assigns the same address; then configure the Windows DHCP server to do the registrations in DNS. This is precisely what I indicated before and what we do. > For Switches > and TS devices we were thinking of setting the reservations on the primary > and on the backup DHCP boxes. Reservations can be set on every DHCP server offering addresses on the same scope* -- this way they get the same and correct address no matter which DHCP server gives it out. * Every DHCP server offering on the same subnet should configure PRECISELY the same range(s) of addresses (same scope definitions) and then exclude those address that this DHCP server must not lease. This prevents one DHCP server "NAQ"ing the address requests or renewals of the other(s). > Thought there might be a Kiss theory that most people are using for all > these instances. > Yes. The above works quite simply. (It also allows for SECURE dynamic updates even for non-domain machines since the DHCP server is authenticated in the domain.) -- Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP http://www.LearnQuick.Com (phone on web site)

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS SHachborn 4/23/2007 9:44:02 PM Thanks Herb, I will test out and see if that fits the needs. Never thought to give out the same reservation address on both DHCP boxes. "Herb Martin" wrote: [Quoted Text] > > "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:13FBCCD0-1415-483A-908F-B2EEA7EAF6C5[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Sorry Herb probably did not give you enough info, our ERP system is > > Oracle > > and it is printing though Unix and needs the same Ip address all the time, > > using a reservation on this and our primary DHCP fails it would get the ip > > from the backup range and this would not match for printing. > > No, I basically had all of that. Use Windows Server DHCP; give a > reservation to each device which assigns the same address; then configure > the Windows DHCP server to do the registrations in DNS. > > This is precisely what I indicated before and what we do. > > > For Switches > > and TS devices we were thinking of setting the reservations on the primary > > and on the backup DHCP boxes. > > Reservations can be set on every DHCP server offering addresses on the > same scope* -- this way they get the same and correct address no matter > which DHCP server gives it out. > > * Every DHCP server offering on the same subnet should configure > PRECISELY the same range(s) of addresses (same scope definitions) > and then exclude those address that this DHCP server must not lease. > > This prevents one DHCP server "NAQ"ing the address requests or > renewals of the other(s). > > > > Thought there might be a Kiss theory that most people are using for all > > these instances. > > > > Yes. The above works quite simply. (It also allows for SECURE dynamic > updates even for non-domain machines since the DHCP server is authenticated > in the domain.) > > -- > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP > http://www.LearnQuick.Com > (phone on web site) > > >

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS "Herb Martin" <news[ at ]learnquick.com> 4/23/2007 11:56:54 PM "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4AB94326-6C80-4198-BF3C-5DB2FED059A1[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Thanks Herb, I will test out and see if that fits the needs. Never > thought > to give out the same reservation address on both DHCP boxes. Make sure you arrange to avoid "owernship" conflicts if multiple DCs use secure updates into an AD Integrate ZOne. With Win2003 use "Update Credentials" and with 2000 you have to use DNSUPdateProxy Group.

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS SHachborn 4/24/2007 12:42:00 PM We have not been using update credentials, could this be why my test printer is not staying consistant in DNS, it will stay for a certain period then it no longer exists in DNS. "Herb Martin" wrote: [Quoted Text] > > "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:4AB94326-6C80-4198-BF3C-5DB2FED059A1[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Thanks Herb, I will test out and see if that fits the needs. Never > > thought > > to give out the same reservation address on both DHCP boxes. > > Make sure you arrange to avoid "owernship" conflicts if multiple DCs > use secure updates into an AD Integrate ZOne. > > With Win2003 use "Update Credentials" and with 2000 you have to > use DNSUPdateProxy Group. > > >

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS "Herb Martin" <news[ at ]learnquick.com> 4/24/2007 3:06:55 PM "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CA59CDCA-33B3-485C-B378-0692B2157F4A[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > We have not been using update credentials, could this be why my test > printer > is not staying consistant in DNS, it will stay for a certain period then > it > no longer exists in DNS. LIkely only if the password on the update (credential) account is expiring. Such an account does NOT need to be an Admin but it does typically need a non-expiring password. Changing it however to a different account is problematic since the existing records are owned by the current account etc. -- Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP http://www.LearnQuick.Com (phone on web site)

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS SHachborn 4/25/2007 6:50:00 PM Thanks for all your help on his Herb. Steve "Herb Martin" wrote: [Quoted Text] > > "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:CA59CDCA-33B3-485C-B378-0692B2157F4A[ at ]microsoft.com... > > We have not been using update credentials, could this be why my test > > printer > > is not staying consistant in DNS, it will stay for a certain period then > > it > > no longer exists in DNS. > > LIkely only if the password on the update (credential) account > is expiring. > > Such an account does NOT need to be an Admin but it does > typically need a non-expiring password. > > Changing it however to a different account is problematic since > the existing records are owned by the current account etc. > > > -- > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP > http://www.LearnQuick.Com > (phone on web site) > > >

Re: Best approach for registering Non dynamic devices in DNS "Herb Martin" <news[ at ]learnquick.com> 4/25/2007 7:36:18 PM "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:493711CC-9C26-42A6-8053-050E206C0297[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Thanks for all your help on his Herb. Happy to help. You are welcome. Pass the favor on to others when you can. -- Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP http://www.LearnQuick.Com (phone on web site) > Steve > > "Herb Martin" wrote: > >> >> "SHachborn" <SHachborn[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:CA59CDCA-33B3-485C-B378-0692B2157F4A[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > We have not been using update credentials, could this be why my test >> > printer >> > is not staying consistant in DNS, it will stay for a certain period >> > then >> > it >> > no longer exists in DNS. >> >> LIkely only if the password on the update (credential) account >> is expiring. >> >> Such an account does NOT need to be an Admin but it does >> typically need a non-expiring password. >> >> Changing it however to a different account is problematic since >> the existing records are owned by the current account etc. >> >> >> -- >> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP >> http://www.LearnQuick.Com >> (phone on web site) >> >> >>