whois and DNS "Mike Spike" <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> 5/3/2007 1:38:01 PM Hi all, Is it possible that a public DNS domain name can propogate without a few days before it has it WhoIs registration info stored on WhoIS servers. The domain in question had never been registered before. I am not sure which comes first WHOIS or DNS records, and if a WHOIS must be defined before DNS servers will propogate the DNS info Regards, Mike.

Re: whois and DNS "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe[ at ]SomeDomain.com> 5/3/2007 3:31:34 PM In news:up7qsfYjHHA.3792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, Mike Spike <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> typed: [Quoted Text] > Hi all, > > Is it possible that a public DNS domain name can propogate without a > few days before it has it WhoIs registration info stored on WhoIS > servers. > The domain in question had never been registered before. I am not > sure which comes first WHOIS or DNS records, and if a WHOIS must be > defined before DNS servers will propogate the DNS info > > Regards, > > Mike. Not sure, but I would imagine the WHOIS would be established first. I think this would be a question directed to the Registrar (Network Solutions or whoever you are using). -- Regards, Ace Innovative IT Concepts, Inc (IITCI) Willow Grove, PA This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and confers no rights. Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Microsoft Certified Trainer Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post? Instead of the website you're using, try using OEx (Outlook Express or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing to news.microsoft.com. Anonymous access. It's free - no username or password required nor do you need a Newsgroup Usenet account with your ISP. It connects directly to the Microsoft Public Newsgroups. OEx allows you o easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's name, watched threads or subject. It's easy: How to Configure OEx for Internet News http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164 "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times." - Mark Twain

Re: whois and DNS "Mike Spike" <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> 5/3/2007 4:21:11 PM Hi thanks, It is not regarding any domain that I own. I was just wondering which came first the WHOIS or DNS and if WHOIS in general is allways created for Internet Domains before the DNS records get created (not a Windows question really either I guess) Mike. "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe[ at ]SomeDomain.com> wrote in message news:OKKLhgZjHHA.4040[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > In news:up7qsfYjHHA.3792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > Mike Spike <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> typed: >> Hi all, >> >> Is it possible that a public DNS domain name can propogate without a >> few days before it has it WhoIs registration info stored on WhoIS >> servers. >> The domain in question had never been registered before. I am not >> sure which comes first WHOIS or DNS records, and if a WHOIS must be >> defined before DNS servers will propogate the DNS info >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike. > > Not sure, but I would imagine the WHOIS would be established first. > > I think this would be a question directed to the Registrar (Network > Solutions or whoever you are using). > > -- > Regards, > Ace > > Innovative IT Concepts, Inc (IITCI) > Willow Grove, PA > > This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and > confers no rights. > > Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > Microsoft Certified Trainer > > Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations > > Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post? > Instead of the website you're using, try using OEx (Outlook Express > or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing to > news.microsoft.com. Anonymous access. It's free - no username or password > required nor do you need a Newsgroup Usenet account with your ISP. It > connects directly to the Microsoft Public Newsgroups. OEx allows you > o easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's name, > watched threads or subject. It's easy: > > How to Configure OEx for Internet News > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164 > > "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times." - Mark Twain > > >

Re: whois and DNS "Greg Lindsay [MSFT]" <greglin[ at ]microsoft.com> 5/3/2007 9:39:15 PM Hi Mike, Usually DNS comes first, followed by whois. However, these two processes are fairly independent of each other. I have seen several instances where a domain will expire and is removed from DNS servers (i.e. the Root nameservers) but still show as active in the WHOIS database for several days. I recall getting support calls from customers who couldn't figure out why their domain was broken the day after it expired because the WHOIS record was still present. A quick query of the root nameservers was always the first troubleshooting step. Often the WHOIS record would even show an expiration date in the past. Also, I used to update WHOIS records for reverse DNS regularly using the SWIP process. This process is semi-automated and can be very fast, but does require manual submission of a form via email. If the ISP does not submit this form correctly, the WHOIS record will not be updated even though the DNS records have been changed. -- Greg Lindsay [MSFT] Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "Mike Spike" <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> wrote in message news:eLG746ZjHHA.4624[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi thanks, > > It is not regarding any domain that I own. I was just wondering which > came first the WHOIS or DNS and if WHOIS in general is allways created for > Internet Domains before the DNS records get created (not a Windows > question really either I guess) > > Mike. > > "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe[ at ]SomeDomain.com> wrote in message > news:OKKLhgZjHHA.4040[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> In news:up7qsfYjHHA.3792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, >> Mike Spike <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> typed: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is it possible that a public DNS domain name can propogate without a >>> few days before it has it WhoIs registration info stored on WhoIS >>> servers. >>> The domain in question had never been registered before. I am not >>> sure which comes first WHOIS or DNS records, and if a WHOIS must be >>> defined before DNS servers will propogate the DNS info >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mike. >> >> Not sure, but I would imagine the WHOIS would be established first. >> >> I think this would be a question directed to the Registrar (Network >> Solutions or whoever you are using). >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Ace >> >> Innovative IT Concepts, Inc (IITCI) >> Willow Grove, PA >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and >> confers no rights. >> >> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP >> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services >> Microsoft Certified Trainer >> >> Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations >> >> Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post? >> Instead of the website you're using, try using OEx (Outlook Express >> or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing to >> news.microsoft.com. Anonymous access. It's free - no username or password >> required nor do you need a Newsgroup Usenet account with your ISP. It >> connects directly to the Microsoft Public Newsgroups. OEx allows you >> o easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's name, >> watched threads or subject. It's easy: >> >> How to Configure OEx for Internet News >> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164 >> >> "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times." - Mark Twain >> >> >> > >

Re: whois and DNS "Mike Spike" <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> 5/4/2007 10:34:39 AM Thanks for the detailed reply. This is exactly the info I was after. Mike. "Greg Lindsay [MSFT]" <greglin[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message news:u8U$6tcjHHA.392[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi Mike, > > Usually DNS comes first, followed by whois. However, these two processes > are fairly independent of each other. > > I have seen several instances where a domain will expire and is removed > from DNS servers (i.e. the Root nameservers) but still show as active in > the WHOIS database for several days. I recall getting support calls from > customers who couldn't figure out why their domain was broken the day > after it expired because the WHOIS record was still present. A quick query > of the root nameservers was always the first troubleshooting step. Often > the WHOIS record would even show an expiration date in the past. > > Also, I used to update WHOIS records for reverse DNS regularly using the > SWIP process. This process is semi-automated and can be very fast, but > does require manual submission of a form via email. If the ISP does not > submit this form correctly, the WHOIS record will not be updated even > though the DNS records have been changed. > > -- > Greg Lindsay [MSFT] > > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and > confers no rights. > > "Mike Spike" <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> wrote in message > news:eLG746ZjHHA.4624[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Hi thanks, >> >> It is not regarding any domain that I own. I was just wondering which >> came first the WHOIS or DNS and if WHOIS in general is allways created >> for Internet Domains before the DNS records get created (not a Windows >> question really either I guess) >> >> Mike. >> >> "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe[ at ]SomeDomain.com> wrote in message >> news:OKKLhgZjHHA.4040[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> In news:up7qsfYjHHA.3792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, >>> Mike Spike <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> typed: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Is it possible that a public DNS domain name can propogate without a >>>> few days before it has it WhoIs registration info stored on WhoIS >>>> servers. >>>> The domain in question had never been registered before. I am not >>>> sure which comes first WHOIS or DNS records, and if a WHOIS must be >>>> defined before DNS servers will propogate the DNS info >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mike. >>> >>> Not sure, but I would imagine the WHOIS would be established first. >>> >>> I think this would be a question directed to the Registrar (Network >>> Solutions or whoever you are using). >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Ace >>> >>> Innovative IT Concepts, Inc (IITCI) >>> Willow Grove, PA >>> >>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and >>> confers no rights. >>> >>> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP >>> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services >>> Microsoft Certified Trainer >>> >>> Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations >>> >>> Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post? >>> Instead of the website you're using, try using OEx (Outlook Express >>> or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing to >>> news.microsoft.com. Anonymous access. It's free - no username or >>> password >>> required nor do you need a Newsgroup Usenet account with your ISP. It >>> connects directly to the Microsoft Public Newsgroups. OEx allows you >>> o easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's name, >>> watched threads or subject. It's easy: >>> >>> How to Configure OEx for Internet News >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164 >>> >>> "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times." - Mark Twain >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Re: whois and DNS "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe[ at ]SomeDomain.com> 5/6/2007 10:53:42 PM In news:u8U$6tcjHHA.392[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, Greg Lindsay [MSFT] <greglin[ at ]microsoft.com> typed: [Quoted Text] > Hi Mike, > > Usually DNS comes first, followed by whois. However, these two > processes are fairly independent of each other. > > I have seen several instances where a domain will expire and is > removed from DNS servers (i.e. the Root nameservers) but still show > as active in the WHOIS database for several days. I recall getting > support calls from customers who couldn't figure out why their domain > was broken the day after it expired because the WHOIS record was > still present. A quick query of the root nameservers was always the > first troubleshooting step. Often the WHOIS record would even show an > expiration date in the past. > Also, I used to update WHOIS records for reverse DNS regularly using > the SWIP process. This process is semi-automated and can be very > fast, but does require manual submission of a form via email. If the > ISP does not submit this form correctly, the WHOIS record will not be > updated even though the DNS records have been changed. Nice explanation, Greg. On another note, I was jokingly thinking this is almost like the chicken or the egg age-old question. :-) Ace

Re: whois and DNS Kari Bovasso <kbovasso[ at ]charter.net> 5/7/2007 7:51:19 PM On 5/3/07 6:38 AM, in article up7qsfYjHHA.3792[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, "Mike Spike" <Mike[ at ]melted-Cpu-co.uk> wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hi all, > > Is it possible that a public DNS domain name can propogate without a few > days before it has it WhoIs registration info stored on WhoIS servers. > > The domain in question had never been registered before. I am not sure > which comes first WHOIS or DNS records, and if a WHOIS must be defined > before DNS servers will propogate the DNS info > > Regards, > > Mike. > > Yes... I manage my own DNS, so I know exactly when that changes and can see the live results on the websites when I ping or pull them up. Sometimes the WHOIS will still say "In Progress" or whatever it says that is not my info from the registrar. Also, you can also have the case of some people seeing the "old" site, while others see the "new" site if your domain is not a new one, but you just made changes to it. This happens when the Internet is not finished propagating - some ISPs DNS servers will have done it, some will not. It usually takes up to 48 hours for the propagatiosn to occur nationwide. I have had clients want me to make changes to their sites, which I can occasionally do while they are on the phone with me. Sometimes, they can see the results if they refresh their page (it happens that quick), other times, it may take an hour... or 12. Hope that answers ya!