DNS - WINS Forward Lookup Niatross 6/7/2007 2:21:01 PM I never understood this setting. Why would you setup up a zone with WINS Forward lookup if your DHCP server is already handing out WINS settings to the client? Which way should I go? Should I remove the WINS scope options on my DHCP server and setup a WINS Forward lookup on my DNS server? I understand if I have Windows NT clients, then you should use the DHCP Scope Options method, but if I don't have older clients, is there still an advantage to using WINS Forward lookup on my DNS server? I'm confused... Thanks, Nihilator

Re: DNS - WINS Forward Lookup "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> 6/7/2007 6:24:57 PM Read inline please. In news:E8A11F75-E6E2-4BB5-BBCD-6A79295B7E79[ at ]microsoft.com, Niatross <niatross[ at ]newsgroup.nospam> typed: [Quoted Text] > I never understood this setting. > > Why would you setup up a zone with WINS Forward lookup if your DHCP > server is already handing out WINS settings to the client? > > Which way should I go? Should I remove the WINS scope options on my > DHCP server and setup a WINS Forward lookup on my DNS server? > > I understand if I have Windows NT clients, then you should use the > DHCP Scope Options method, but if I don't have older clients, is > there still an advantage to using WINS Forward lookup on my DNS > server? > > I'm confused... The major advantage to using WINS lookups on the DNS zone is that clients need only support WINS registration and not DNS registration for the client name to be resolved in DNS. You can even use WINS proxying for clients that don't support WINS registration, but still broadcast their NetBIOS name. -- Best regards, Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] Hope This Helps =================================== When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue, to respond directly to me remove the nospam. from my email address. =================================== http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ http://support.wftx.us/ http://message.wftx.us/ =================================== Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: It will strip signature out and more http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ =================================== Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders with OEBackup: http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx ===================================

Re: DNS - WINS Forward Lookup Niatross 6/8/2007 2:53:01 PM I'm still not getting the advantage. Give me a scenario where I can see the "advantage" (In layman's terms). This is what I see... A WINS client (Windows NT, etc) is configured by DHCP to look at a specific WINS server for resolution. The Windows NT client queries the WINS server and receives an answer. So why do I need to set a DNS zone for WINS forward lookup? I'm not getting it. Give me a scenario where there would be an advantage to setup a DNS zone for WINS forward lookup. I'm used to this: A DNS client (Windows 2K/XP/Vista) is setup to resolve via DNS by default and looks for a DNS server. Older client resolve via WINS/NetBIOS and look for a WINS server. Thanks, Niatross "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Read inline please. > > In news:E8A11F75-E6E2-4BB5-BBCD-6A79295B7E79[ at ]microsoft.com, > Niatross <niatross[ at ]newsgroup.nospam> typed: > > I never understood this setting. > > > > Why would you setup up a zone with WINS Forward lookup if your DHCP > > server is already handing out WINS settings to the client? > > > > Which way should I go? Should I remove the WINS scope options on my > > DHCP server and setup a WINS Forward lookup on my DNS server? > > > > I understand if I have Windows NT clients, then you should use the > > DHCP Scope Options method, but if I don't have older clients, is > > there still an advantage to using WINS Forward lookup on my DNS > > server? > > > > I'm confused... > > The major advantage to using WINS lookups on the DNS zone is that clients > need only support WINS registration and not DNS registration for the client > name to be resolved in DNS. You can even use WINS proxying for clients that > don't support WINS registration, but still broadcast their NetBIOS name. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] > Hope This Helps > > =================================== > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" > via your newsreader so that others may learn and > benefit from your issue, to respond directly to > me remove the nospam. from my email address. > =================================== > http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ > http://support.wftx.us/ > http://message.wftx.us/ > =================================== > Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: > It will strip signature out and more > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ > =================================== > Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders > with OEBackup: > http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx > =================================== > > >

Re: DNS - WINS Forward Lookup Niatross 6/8/2007 3:04:03 PM An older client that supports only WINS registration (ex: Windows NT) can be set to look at a WINS server via DHCP scope WINS settings, so why go through the hassle of removing DHCP scope WINS settings ansd setup your DNS zone to look for a WINS server? Thanks, Nihilator "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Read inline please. > > In news:E8A11F75-E6E2-4BB5-BBCD-6A79295B7E79[ at ]microsoft.com, > Niatross <niatross[ at ]newsgroup.nospam> typed: > > I never understood this setting. > > > > Why would you setup up a zone with WINS Forward lookup if your DHCP > > server is already handing out WINS settings to the client? > > > > Which way should I go? Should I remove the WINS scope options on my > > DHCP server and setup a WINS Forward lookup on my DNS server? > > > > I understand if I have Windows NT clients, then you should use the > > DHCP Scope Options method, but if I don't have older clients, is > > there still an advantage to using WINS Forward lookup on my DNS > > server? > > > > I'm confused... > > The major advantage to using WINS lookups on the DNS zone is that clients > need only support WINS registration and not DNS registration for the client > name to be resolved in DNS. You can even use WINS proxying for clients that > don't support WINS registration, but still broadcast their NetBIOS name. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] > Hope This Helps > > =================================== > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" > via your newsreader so that others may learn and > benefit from your issue, to respond directly to > me remove the nospam. from my email address. > =================================== > http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ > http://support.wftx.us/ > http://message.wftx.us/ > =================================== > Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: > It will strip signature out and more > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ > =================================== > Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders > with OEBackup: > http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx > =================================== > > >

Re: DNS - WINS Forward Lookup "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> 6/8/2007 6:27:50 PM Read inline please. In news:A0CC8936-24A9-4190-A822-63927860C128[ at ]microsoft.com, Niatross <niatross[ at ]newsgroup.nospam> typed: [Quoted Text] > I'm still not getting the advantage. > > Give me a scenario where I can see the "advantage" (In layman's > terms). > > This is what I see... > > A WINS client (Windows NT, etc) is configured by DHCP to look at a > specific WINS server for resolution. The Windows NT client queries > the WINS server and receives an answer. > > So why do I need to set a DNS zone for WINS forward lookup? I'm not > getting it. Give me a scenario where there would be an advantage to > setup a DNS zone for WINS forward lookup. NT4 DNS has priority over NetBIOS resolution (Read the KB below) > > I'm used to this: > > A DNS client (Windows 2K/XP/Vista) is setup to resolve via DNS by > default and looks for a DNS server. Older client resolve via > WINS/NetBIOS and look for a WINS server. You answered this yourself, DNS has name resolution priority over NetBIOS resolution, so if the client can resolve the name in DNS, it need not continue to NetBIOS. In addition, you can change the Name resolution priority in older clients. Would it not make sense to allow clients that cannot register in DNS be resolvable in DNS? The default name resolution tool is nslookup on 2k and later, nslookup can only query DNS for names not WINS or NetBIOS. How to change name resolution order on Windows 95 and Windows NT http://support.microsoft.com/kb/139270/en-us -- Best regards, Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] Hope This Helps =================================== When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue, to respond directly to me remove the nospam. from my email address. =================================== http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ http://support.wftx.us/ http://message.wftx.us/ =================================== Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: It will strip signature out and more http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ =================================== Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders with OEBackup: http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx ===================================

Re: DNS - WINS Forward Lookup Niatross 6/8/2007 7:47:00 PM so were dealing with speed then? Is that what your saying? The order of the way the client resolves names is where the speed is. If I set the WinNT PC pointing directly to my DNS server and do not configure the TCPIP protocol with a WINS address, then the WinNT box will go to the DNS zone and see the WINS forward lookup server and then resolve the NETBIOS name. Correct? Thanks, Nihilator "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Read inline please. > > In news:A0CC8936-24A9-4190-A822-63927860C128[ at ]microsoft.com, > Niatross <niatross[ at ]newsgroup.nospam> typed: > > I'm still not getting the advantage. > > > > Give me a scenario where I can see the "advantage" (In layman's > > terms). > > > > This is what I see... > > > > A WINS client (Windows NT, etc) is configured by DHCP to look at a > > specific WINS server for resolution. The Windows NT client queries > > the WINS server and receives an answer. > > > > So why do I need to set a DNS zone for WINS forward lookup? I'm not > > getting it. Give me a scenario where there would be an advantage to > > setup a DNS zone for WINS forward lookup. > > NT4 DNS has priority over NetBIOS resolution (Read the KB below) > > > > > I'm used to this: > > > > A DNS client (Windows 2K/XP/Vista) is setup to resolve via DNS by > > default and looks for a DNS server. Older client resolve via > > WINS/NetBIOS and look for a WINS server. > > You answered this yourself, DNS has name resolution priority over NetBIOS > resolution, so if the client can resolve the name in DNS, it need not > continue to NetBIOS. In addition, you can change the Name resolution > priority in older clients. > > Would it not make sense to allow clients that cannot register in DNS be > resolvable in DNS? > The default name resolution tool is nslookup on 2k and later, nslookup can > only query DNS for names not WINS or NetBIOS. > > How to change name resolution order on Windows 95 and Windows NT > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/139270/en-us > > > -- > Best regards, > Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] > Hope This Helps > > =================================== > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" > via your newsreader so that others may learn and > benefit from your issue, to respond directly to > me remove the nospam. from my email address. > =================================== > http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ > http://support.wftx.us/ > http://message.wftx.us/ > =================================== > Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: > It will strip signature out and more > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ > =================================== > Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders > with OEBackup: > http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx > =================================== > > >

Re: DNS - WINS Forward Lookup "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> 6/8/2007 8:24:11 PM Read inline please. In news:1126CC34-1D43-43B5-9466-A97C5024FA94[ at ]microsoft.com, Niatross <niatross[ at ]newsgroup.nospam> typed: [Quoted Text] > so were dealing with speed then? Is that what your saying? > > The order of the way the client resolves names is where the speed is. > If I set the WinNT PC pointing directly to my DNS server and do not > configure the TCPIP protocol with a WINS address, You would need to configure TCP/IP with the WINS server so that it can register in WINS, or set up a WINS proxy on the network. A WINS proxy is a client that uses NetBIOS Broadcasts to register clients that don't support WINS registrations. > then the WinNT box > will go to the DNS zone and see the WINS forward lookup server and > then resolve the NETBIOS name. Correct? It will resolve the NetBIOS name by using the DNS suffix search, but this is not the same as NetBIOS resolution for the Computer Browser Service, that is strictly NetBIOS resolution by using broadcasts or WINS lookups. -- Best regards, Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] Hope This Helps =================================== When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue, to respond directly to me remove the nospam. from my email address. =================================== http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ http://support.wftx.us/ http://message.wftx.us/ =================================== Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: It will strip signature out and more http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ =================================== Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders with OEBackup: http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx ===================================