WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Newsgroups" <newsgroups[ at ]microsoft.news> 5/2/2007 9:34:44 PM Hi. We are deploying a new small network (single domain over multiple subnets) with the O/Ss below and would appreciate if anyone could clarify whether we should setup WINS Servers on the two domain controllers ? In particular does the use of 2003 R2 DFS/DFSR and 'Network Places' require NETBIOS and therefore in our case due to multiple subnets WINS Servers ? 2 x 2003 R2 SP2 DCs [Both DCs hosting DFS roots] 5 x 2003 SP2 and 2000 SP4 Servers 20 x XP SP2 & 2000 SP4 clients Thanks for any help.

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Phillip Windell" <philwindell[ at ]hotmail.com> 5/2/2007 10:45:51 PM Always runs WINS. It is small & light and cost virtually nothing to run and has pretty much no maintainence. But it often solves or prevents a lot of unexplainable "mystery" behavor. It isn't just Windows you have to consider,..you have to consider every single Application that ever gets run on those machines and what the developers did with it when they wrote it. -- Phillip Windell www.wandtv.com The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated with me, including my cats. ----------------------------------------------------- "Newsgroups" <newsgroups[ at ]microsoft.news> wrote in message news:%23O99kGQjHHA.5044[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi. We are deploying a new small network (single domain over multiple > subnets) with the O/Ss below and would appreciate if anyone could clarify > whether we should setup WINS Servers on the two domain controllers ? In > particular does the use of 2003 R2 DFS/DFSR and 'Network Places' require > NETBIOS and therefore in our case due to multiple subnets WINS Servers ? > > 2 x 2003 R2 SP2 DCs [Both DCs hosting DFS roots] > 5 x 2003 SP2 and 2000 SP4 Servers > 20 x XP SP2 & 2000 SP4 clients > > Thanks for any help. >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> 5/2/2007 11:58:49 PM Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for OS's prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that description I wouldn't install it. The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I then remove it once I have things working correctly. "Newsgroups" <newsgroups[ at ]microsoft.news> wrote in news:#O99kGQjHHA.5044[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: [Quoted Text] > Hi. We are deploying a new small network (single domain over multiple > subnets) with the O/Ss below and would appreciate if anyone could > clarify whether we should setup WINS Servers on the two domain > controllers ? In particular does the use of 2003 R2 DFS/DFSR and > 'Network Places' require NETBIOS and therefore in our case due to > multiple subnets WINS Servers ? > > 2 x 2003 R2 SP2 DCs [Both DCs hosting DFS roots] > 5 x 2003 SP2 and 2000 SP4 Servers > 20 x XP SP2 & 2000 SP4 clients > > Thanks for any help. > >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> 5/3/2007 12:16:07 AM Read inline please. In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: [Quoted Text] > Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as > it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for OS's > prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that description I > wouldn't install it. > > The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include > older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I > then remove it once I have things working correctly. You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a blanket recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a big red flag that says, install and use WINS. WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old habits, like browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. WINS is required by many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS name resolution, one of these is Network Browsing with multiple subnets. Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory forest with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us -- Best regards, Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] Hope This Helps Send IM: http://www.icq.com/people/webmsg.php?to=296095728 =================================== When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue, to respond directly to me remove the nospam. from my email address. =================================== http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ http://support.wftx.us/ http://message.wftx.us/ =================================== Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: It will strip signature out and more http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ =================================== Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders with OEBackup: http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx ===================================

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Bill Grant" <not.available[ at ]online> 5/3/2007 4:21:12 AM Browsing through Network Places depends on Netbios names and the computer browser service. The computer browser service relies on broadcasts, so it fails in a routed network without WINS. If you are planning to use more than one WINS server you will need to set them up so that they replicate. You will only get network-wide browsing through Network Places if all the master browsers are using the same namespace and can find each other across routers.

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Alex" <news[ at ]ms.com.news> 5/3/2007 12:33:16 PM Sorry to drop in on this post but after reading I am slightly concerned how our small network is configured which may also help the original poster. Our current network is of a similar size with mainly Windows 2000 workstations and 2000/2003 servers. The network is one domain using multiple subnets and does not have any WINS servers. Our users are still able to open Network Places, see all the workstations and servers on the network and browse to them as well as use 'net use' etc. Can anyone please explain how we are able to do this if we have no WINS servers but are using multiple subnets ? Appreciate any help. Alex. "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message news:uqjJAhRjHHA.1240[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Read inline please. > > In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, > Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: >> Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as >> it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for OS's >> prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that description I >> wouldn't install it. >> >> The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include >> older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I >> then remove it once I have things working correctly. > > You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a > blanket > recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. > > When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a big > red > flag that says, install and use WINS. > WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old habits, > like > browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. WINS is required > by > many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS name resolution, one of > these is Network Browsing with multiple subnets. > > Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory forest > with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us > > > -- > Best regards, > Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] > Hope This Helps > Send IM: http://www.icq.com/people/webmsg.php?to=296095728 > =================================== > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" > via your newsreader so that others may learn and > benefit from your issue, to respond directly to > me remove the nospam. from my email address. > =================================== > http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ > http://support.wftx.us/ > http://message.wftx.us/ > =================================== > Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: > It will strip signature out and more > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ > =================================== > Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders > with OEBackup: > http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx > =================================== > >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> 5/3/2007 3:22:49 PM According to my Microsoft Press books for the 70-291 exam the "blanket statement" I said remains true. And I do assume that the Microsoft press books are written per Microsoft recommendations. "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in news:uqjJAhRjHHA.1240[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: [Quoted Text] > Read inline please. > > In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, > Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: >> Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as >> it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for >> OS's prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that >> description I wouldn't install it. >> >> The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include >> older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I >> then remove it once I have things working correctly. > > You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a > blanket recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. > > When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a > big red flag that says, install and use WINS. > WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old > habits, like browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. > WINS is required by many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS > name resolution, one of these is Network Browsing with multiple > subnets. > > Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory > forest with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us > >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Bill Grant" <not.available[ at ]online> 5/3/2007 11:14:35 PM How are the subnets linked to each other? If it works without WINS, the routers must be configured to forward broadcasts. That means that, although you have separate IP subnets, all machines are in the same broadcast domain. "Alex" <news[ at ]ms.com.news> wrote in message news:OEg878XjHHA.4040[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Sorry to drop in on this post but after reading I am slightly concerned > how our small network is configured which may also help the original > poster. Our current network is of a similar size with mainly Windows 2000 > workstations and 2000/2003 servers. The network is one domain using > multiple subnets and does not have any WINS servers. Our users are still > able to open Network Places, see all the workstations and servers on the > network and browse to them as well as use 'net use' etc. > > Can anyone please explain how we are able to do this if we have no WINS > servers but are using multiple subnets ? > > Appreciate any help. > Alex. > > > "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message > news:uqjJAhRjHHA.1240[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Read inline please. >> >> In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, >> Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: >>> Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as >>> it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for OS's >>> prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that description I >>> wouldn't install it. >>> >>> The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include >>> older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I >>> then remove it once I have things working correctly. >> >> You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a >> blanket >> recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. >> >> When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a big >> red >> flag that says, install and use WINS. >> WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old habits, >> like >> browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. WINS is required >> by >> many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS name resolution, one of >> these is Network Browsing with multiple subnets. >> >> Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory forest >> with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] >> Hope This Helps >> Send IM: http://www.icq.com/people/webmsg.php?to=296095728 >> =================================== >> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" >> via your newsreader so that others may learn and >> benefit from your issue, to respond directly to >> me remove the nospam. from my email address. >> =================================== >> http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ >> http://support.wftx.us/ >> http://message.wftx.us/ >> =================================== >> Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: >> It will strip signature out and more >> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ >> =================================== >> Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders >> with OEBackup: >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx >> =================================== >> >> > >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Alex" <news[ at ]ms.com.news> 5/4/2007 1:05:47 PM Hi Bill, thanks for your help. The subnets are connected using enterprise switches, I hadn't thought of broadcast forwarding, I will look into this. Is there any advice on what is better to use ? I'm presuming using WINS would be better to keep broadcast traffic to a minimum ? "Bill Grant" <not.available[ at ]online> wrote in message news:eaVdOjdjHHA.4768[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > How are the subnets linked to each other? If it works without WINS, the > routers must be configured to forward broadcasts. That means that, > although you have separate IP subnets, all machines are in the same > broadcast domain. > > "Alex" <news[ at ]ms.com.news> wrote in message > news:OEg878XjHHA.4040[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Sorry to drop in on this post but after reading I am slightly concerned >> how our small network is configured which may also help the original >> poster. Our current network is of a similar size with mainly Windows 2000 >> workstations and 2000/2003 servers. The network is one domain using >> multiple subnets and does not have any WINS servers. Our users are still >> able to open Network Places, see all the workstations and servers on the >> network and browse to them as well as use 'net use' etc. >> >> Can anyone please explain how we are able to do this if we have no WINS >> servers but are using multiple subnets ? >> >> Appreciate any help. >> Alex. >> >> >> "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message >> news:uqjJAhRjHHA.1240[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Read inline please. >>> >>> In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, >>> Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: >>>> Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as >>>> it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for OS's >>>> prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that description I >>>> wouldn't install it. >>>> >>>> The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include >>>> older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I >>>> then remove it once I have things working correctly. >>> >>> You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a >>> blanket >>> recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. >>> >>> When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a big >>> red >>> flag that says, install and use WINS. >>> WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old habits, >>> like >>> browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. WINS is required >>> by >>> many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS name resolution, one of >>> these is Network Browsing with multiple subnets. >>> >>> Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory >>> forest >>> with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] >>> Hope This Helps >>> Send IM: http://www.icq.com/people/webmsg.php?to=296095728 >>> =================================== >>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" >>> via your newsreader so that others may learn and >>> benefit from your issue, to respond directly to >>> me remove the nospam. from my email address. >>> =================================== >>> http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ >>> http://support.wftx.us/ >>> http://message.wftx.us/ >>> =================================== >>> Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: >>> It will strip signature out and more >>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ >>> =================================== >>> Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders >>> with OEBackup: >>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx >>> =================================== >>> >>> >> >> > >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Bill Grant" <not.available[ at ]online> 5/4/2007 11:16:59 PM Yes, turning off broadcast forwarding and making all the machines WINS clients should cut down on LAN broadcasts. Netbios name resolution would only fall back to broadcasting if WINS failed. "Alex" <news[ at ]ms.com.news> wrote in message news:%231ruwzkjHHA.4872[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi Bill, thanks for your help. The subnets are connected using enterprise > switches, I hadn't thought of broadcast forwarding, I will look into this. > > Is there any advice on what is better to use ? I'm presuming using WINS > would be better to keep broadcast traffic to a minimum ? > > > > "Bill Grant" <not.available[ at ]online> wrote in message > news:eaVdOjdjHHA.4768[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> How are the subnets linked to each other? If it works without WINS, the >> routers must be configured to forward broadcasts. That means that, >> although you have separate IP subnets, all machines are in the same >> broadcast domain. >> >> "Alex" <news[ at ]ms.com.news> wrote in message >> news:OEg878XjHHA.4040[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Sorry to drop in on this post but after reading I am slightly concerned >>> how our small network is configured which may also help the original >>> poster. Our current network is of a similar size with mainly Windows >>> 2000 workstations and 2000/2003 servers. The network is one domain >>> using multiple subnets and does not have any WINS servers. Our users >>> are still able to open Network Places, see all the workstations and >>> servers on the network and browse to them as well as use 'net use' etc. >>> >>> Can anyone please explain how we are able to do this if we have no WINS >>> servers but are using multiple subnets ? >>> >>> Appreciate any help. >>> Alex. >>> >>> >>> "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message >>> news:uqjJAhRjHHA.1240[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Read inline please. >>>> >>>> In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, >>>> Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: >>>>> Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, as >>>>> it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for OS's >>>>> prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that description I >>>>> wouldn't install it. >>>>> >>>>> The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include >>>>> older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I >>>>> then remove it once I have things working correctly. >>>> >>>> You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a >>>> blanket >>>> recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. >>>> >>>> When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a >>>> big red >>>> flag that says, install and use WINS. >>>> WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old habits, >>>> like >>>> browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. WINS is >>>> required by >>>> many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS name resolution, one of >>>> these is Network Browsing with multiple subnets. >>>> >>>> Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory >>>> forest >>>> with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] >>>> Hope This Helps >>>> Send IM: http://www.icq.com/people/webmsg.php?to=296095728 >>>> =================================== >>>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" >>>> via your newsreader so that others may learn and >>>> benefit from your issue, to respond directly to >>>> me remove the nospam. from my email address. >>>> =================================== >>>> http://www.lonestaramerica.com/ >>>> http://support.wftx.us/ >>>> http://message.wftx.us/ >>>> =================================== >>>> Use Outlook Express?... Get OE_Quotefix: >>>> It will strip signature out and more >>>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ >>>> =================================== >>>> Keep a back up of your OE settings and folders >>>> with OEBackup: >>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx >>>> =================================== >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Re: WINS required for multi subnet 2003 domain using DFS with 2k&XP clients ? "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" <lanwench[ at ]heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> 5/5/2007 10:20:28 PM Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > According to my Microsoft Press books for the 70-291 exam the "blanket > statement" I said remains true. And I do assume that the Microsoft > press books are written per Microsoft recommendations. What's the exact quote, and what context is it in? I've never heard of this, either. I always run WINS - I really see no reason not to. If you aren't going to run it, make sure you've disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP on all your NICs. > > > "Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin[ at ]nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in > news:uqjJAhRjHHA.1240[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > >> Read inline please. >> >> In news:Xns9924AD294127Anowaycom[ at ]207.46.248.16, >> Red Swingline Stapler <kill[ at ]yourself.com> typed: >>> Microsoft recommends NOT installing WINS in a situation like this, >>> as it is not needed, and is a security risk. WINS is only needed for >>> OS's prior to NT 2000 and since none of your OS's fit that >>> description I wouldn't install it. >>> >>> The only time I use a WINS server on a network that does not include >>> older systems is when troubleshooting DNS or something like that. I >>> then remove it once I have things working correctly. >> >> You are very incorrect here. I've never heard of Microsoft making a >> blanket recommendation like this, in fact it is quite the opposite. >> >> When he said, "single domain over multiple subnets" that throws up a >> big red flag that says, install and use WINS. >> WINS is almost assuredly required in this situation because old >> habits, like browsing Network Places are almost impossible to break. >> WINS is required by many legacy applications that depend on NetBIOS >> name resolution, one of these is Network Browsing with multiple >> subnets. >> >> Unique NetBIOS names must be used with WINS in an Active Directory >> forest with Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003: >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927070/en-us