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VSTO other than ADE
"jdbruce via AccessMonster.com" <u33073[ at ]uwe> 4/9/2007 4:11:20 PM
I purchased the VSTO 2003 for the ADE and licensing needed for the
application I am producing. Access is my only interest. What other useful
things are included with the VSTO that I may need? I know there are many
CD's but I am not using SQL or VB.net. Are there other things I am missing?

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Re: VSTO other than ADE
"'69 Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.69Camaro[ at ]Spameater.orgZERO_SPAM> 5/24/2007 8:18:06 AM
Everyone please note that Aaron Kem.pf is attempting to impersonate one of
our regular posters again. Tom would never post such a message.

HTH.
Gunny

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"Tom Wickerath" <tom_wickerath[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%234YSFNdnHHA.1000[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> how the hell would you use Access without SQL?
>
> Access without SQL is depecrated, kid
>
> move to Access Data Projects
>
>
>
> "jdbruce via AccessMonster.com" <u33073[ at ]uwe> wrote in message
> news:7073bec39cff2[ at ]uwe...
>>I purchased the VSTO 2003 for the ADE and licensing needed for the
>> application I am producing. Access is my only interest. What other
>> useful
>> things are included with the VSTO that I may need? I know there are many
>> CD's but I am not using SQL or VB.net. Are there other things I am
>> missing?
>>
>> --
>> Message posted via AccessMonster.com
>> http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/access-toolkits/200704/1
>>
>
>


Re: VSTO other than ADE
"Chris Mills" <phad_nospam[ at ]cleardotnet.nz> 6/7/2007 7:25:13 AM
Gunny,
Can you please post some appropriate statement once to each newsgroup.

There seems no need to post individually to each instance. There are 6
identical posts in this ng, and gawd-knows how many in other ng's. This
amounts, more or less, to spam.

We all know, or most of us do, that Tom Wickerath MVP is very experienced with
MS Access, and whether one agrees with him or not on a given subject, he
certainly presents compelling results and cites his supporting research. In
short, very professional. But not even Tom would go so far as to sign himself
"MDB" (as though he had turned into an MDB himself <guffaw>)

It's very serious if someone is impersonating someone else. That should be
tracked down and prosecuted. I just say, one announcement (per week whilst it
lasts?) is sufficient.

As it happens, I have received no such posts, in Outlook Express, as mentioned
so they must be already filtered and it is not by any action on my part. The
only way I know of "Aaron"'s opinions, are those appended by Gunny in his
reposts. Some of "Aaron"'s opinions, if we disregard impersonation, actually
make some slight sense, though they are too brief to really tell.(not this
post, but some indicate he has a point just not how to express it?)

Are you worried about Aaron impersonating Tom, or worried about what he has to
say? If the former, then let him post under his own name? (one under Aaron got
through to my server, and it wasn't THAT bad). If the latter, then stuff you
(based on what I have read regurgitated at the bottom of Gunny's post, Aaron
is sometimes on the mark but with a dearth of usefull detail).

(Who the hell is Aaron? In the ng's I visit, Aaron's posts seem less
numerically intrusive than Gunny's about nothing more important than Aaron, or
Tom's undisputed reputation. Perhaps it's inherent for marines to be paranoid?
Why would you feel need to defend Tom and not himself? He defends himself and
Access brilliantly in the sometimes technical spats I've had with him.
Technical argument is, of course, a lifeblood of this newsgroup!)

Chris

"'69 Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.69Camaro[ at ]Spameater.orgZERO_SPAM> wrote in
message news:%23GrsfvdnHHA.4628[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> Everyone please note that Aaron Kem.pf is attempting to impersonate one of
> our regular posters again. Tom would never post such a message.
>
> HTH.
> Gunny
>
> See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
> See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
> Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
> http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
> info.
>


Re: VSTO other than ADE
"Chris Mills" <phad_nospam[ at ]cleardotnet.nz> 6/7/2007 8:03:04 AM
Aaron,

Your statement may well be true. It appears you prefer SQL Server over MDB,
and many people would share that view.

But a mere statement is of no use to anyone. It requires supporting evidence
and weighting of the pros of such a move, together with the possible cons.

If you cannot think of some cons in moving to SQL Server, then you would be,
let me think, less than convincing?

For example, Gunny, who seems 100% in favour of SQL Server, nevertheless
states where there may be problems.

Just to say "MDB is worthless", is worth approximately 3 words. How does that
assist someone trying to understand Access? How does it explain, that even if
you use SQL Server, that is just a Back-End and a Front-End/Application is
still necessary.

Are you talking only of security, or in general? If you want to contribute
usefully, a little more technical persuasiveness might assist us other
cretins?

Do you mean SQL Server has been stated by Microsoft to be the future vs MDB?
Do you merely mean it's technically better? "the future" implies you know it
will be supported longer than MDB. You say nothing about JET, what about JET?

Tell us something about the applications you have developed, conversion
problems, why you say something is better than something else, and for what
reasons. I struggle with this stuff all the time, and I expect to apply
technical logic regardless of anyone's "dogma". That's, ANYONE.

Chris

"Aaron Kempf" <akempf[ at ]dol.wa.gov> wrote in message
news:OPKP2I5hHHA.4588[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> you should lose the training wheels and move to SQL Server
>
> MDB is worthless.
>
> SQL Server is the future
>
>


Re: VSTO other than ADE
"'69 Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.69Camaro[ at ]Spameater.orgZERO_SPAM> 6/8/2007 5:26:53 PM
Hi, Chris.

[Quoted Text]
> Can you please post some appropriate statement once to each newsgroup.

I considered it, but I also considered the following scenarios, which
override the short-lived benefit of a single post in a separate thread for
each newsgroup:

1.) Tom may want to change jobs in the future and apply to an employer who
has never heard of him. The HR person Googles Tom's name and reads the
trash that a troll wrote and signed with Tom's name. Will that HR person
also read my "appropriate statement" posted separately in each newsgroup?
No. The troll's words will be attributed to Tom, unless there's some sort
of "Hey! That ain't Tom!" notification right next to the impersonation that
would make the HR person question the validity of who wrote the trash.

2.) A researcher searches the archive on a topic and reads a thread where
the troll wrote trash and signed Tom's name. Will that researcher also read
my "appropriate statement" posted separately in each newsgroup? No.
Reading the trash will unfairly taint every other post that the researcher
reads that was really authored by Tom, unless there's an immediate alert in
close proximity telling new readers whenever an imposter posts the trash.

> There seems no need to post individually to each instance. There are 6
> identical posts in this ng, and gawd-knows how many in other ng's. This
> amounts, more or less, to spam.

Since you feel that way, I've added your name to the list I won't post a
notification for if an imposter ever impersonates you.

> We all know, or most of us do, that Tom Wickerath MVP is very experienced
> with
> MS Access

I don't think Tom is famous enough that most of the public at large would
recognize his name, or know that he's an MVP, or know that he works with
Microsoft Access, but that's not entirely Tom's fault. His PR firm isn't
very good. If he had a better PR company, Tom's name would be a household
name in no time, just like Camaro is.

> I just say, one announcement (per week whilst it
> lasts?) is sufficient.

The people who are going to need to read that announcement (which are those
who don't already know who Tom is, but read the trash first) will be very
unlikely to ever find or read such an announcement, unless it coincides with
the trash itself.

> As it happens, I have received no such posts, in Outlook Express, as
> mentioned
> so they must be already filtered and it is not by any action on my part.

Your news server has removed them. I assure you that the trash posts are on
other news servers all over the world. They're also permanently archived on
the Internet, which means they're retreivable by Internet search engines.

> Are you worried about <the troll> impersonating Tom, or worried about what
> he has to
> say?

The troll's impersonations can damage others' good reputations. I don't
read the troll's posts, so I couldn't care less what he has to say, but he
should be using his own name as his signature -- and using his own mouth to
speak with.

> If the former, then let him post under his own name?

No one is twisting the troll's arm to prevent him from using his own name
when he posts.

> If the latter, then stuff you
> (based on what I have read regurgitated at the bottom of Gunny's post,
> <the troll>
> is sometimes on the mark but with a dearth of usefull detail).

Anyone can read the troll's original post in its entirety in the archives,
despite my posts, so I'm not blocking him from being heard, just notifying
everyone that the words were written by a troll, not Tom.

> (Who the hell is <the troll>?

It's a young kid who hates Microsoft, and anything associated with
Microsoft, and any person associated with Microsoft's products, including
MVP's. Ever work with a Microsoft product or write about a Microsoft
product? Hates you, too.

> In the ng's I visit, <the troll's> posts seem less
> numerically intrusive than Gunny's about nothing more important than <the
> troll>, or
> Tom's undisputed reputation.

The number of the troll's posts in the newsgroups far exceed mine, but he
has used many different names to post under so you may not have noticed how
many he's accumulated. It would probably be best if you add my name to your
kill file, so that I don't intrude on the tranquility of the newsgroups.
Don't add any of the troll's names to your kill file because you don't want
to miss the profound wisdom this kid adds to newsgroup discussions.

> Perhaps it's inherent for Marines to be paranoid?

It's inherent for Marines to always be faithful ("Semper Fidelis"), to stand
for honor and respect, and to protect honorable citizens from attacks. If
you think I'll sit back and ignore a crime being committed against a good,
honest, and decent friend of mine, you're mistaken.

> Why would you feel need to defend Tom and not himself? He defends himself
> and
> Access brilliantly in the sometimes technical spats I've had with him.

Funny you should ask that. When was the last time you saw Tom post in the
newsgroups? He posted in the morning just before he left for work on the
day the troll started his attack on Tom. It appears that the troll, who
lives in very close proximity to Tom, is stalking Tom, because he knew
exactly when to start his online attack, and he even posted Tom's address
and phone number in the newsgroups quite a few times that day.

Perhaps you would pass this off as paranoia if it happened to you, but if
someone other than Ed McMahon and the American Family Publishing Sweepstakes
is in your neighborhood and suddenly becomes especially interested in your
name and your house and your phone number, then your friends and neighbors
should probably take an active interest, because someone appears to be
casing your house.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
info.


Re: VSTO other than ADE
Yvonne Anderson <yvonnemichele[ at ]noos.fr> 6/12/2007 10:29:45 AM
What it is this group, and why is it appearing on my computer?

Yvonne Michele Anderson
yvonnemichele[ at ]noos.fr


On 8/06/07 19:26, in article #pNh4HfqHHA.1296[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, "'69
Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.69Camaro[ at ]Spameater.orgZERO_SPAM> wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Hi, Chris.
>
>> Can you please post some appropriate statement once to each newsgroup.
>
> I considered it, but I also considered the following scenarios, which
> override the short-lived benefit of a single post in a separate thread for
> each newsgroup:
>
> 1.) Tom may want to change jobs in the future and apply to an employer who
> has never heard of him. The HR person Googles Tom's name and reads the
> trash that a troll wrote and signed with Tom's name. Will that HR person
> also read my "appropriate statement" posted separately in each newsgroup?
> No. The troll's words will be attributed to Tom, unless there's some sort
> of "Hey! That ain't Tom!" notification right next to the impersonation that
> would make the HR person question the validity of who wrote the trash.
>
> 2.) A researcher searches the archive on a topic and reads a thread where
> the troll wrote trash and signed Tom's name. Will that researcher also read
> my "appropriate statement" posted separately in each newsgroup? No.
> Reading the trash will unfairly taint every other post that the researcher
> reads that was really authored by Tom, unless there's an immediate alert in
> close proximity telling new readers whenever an imposter posts the trash.
>
>> There seems no need to post individually to each instance. There are 6
>> identical posts in this ng, and gawd-knows how many in other ng's. This
>> amounts, more or less, to spam.
>
> Since you feel that way, I've added your name to the list I won't post a
> notification for if an imposter ever impersonates you.
>
>> We all know, or most of us do, that Tom Wickerath MVP is very experienced
>> with
>> MS Access
>
> I don't think Tom is famous enough that most of the public at large would
> recognize his name, or know that he's an MVP, or know that he works with
> Microsoft Access, but that's not entirely Tom's fault. His PR firm isn't
> very good. If he had a better PR company, Tom's name would be a household
> name in no time, just like Camaro is.
>
>> I just say, one announcement (per week whilst it
>> lasts?) is sufficient.
>
> The people who are going to need to read that announcement (which are those
> who don't already know who Tom is, but read the trash first) will be very
> unlikely to ever find or read such an announcement, unless it coincides with
> the trash itself.
>
>> As it happens, I have received no such posts, in Outlook Express, as
>> mentioned
>> so they must be already filtered and it is not by any action on my part.
>
> Your news server has removed them. I assure you that the trash posts are on
> other news servers all over the world. They're also permanently archived on
> the Internet, which means they're retreivable by Internet search engines.
>
>> Are you worried about <the troll> impersonating Tom, or worried about what
>> he has to
>> say?
>
> The troll's impersonations can damage others' good reputations. I don't
> read the troll's posts, so I couldn't care less what he has to say, but he
> should be using his own name as his signature -- and using his own mouth to
> speak with.
>
>> If the former, then let him post under his own name?
>
> No one is twisting the troll's arm to prevent him from using his own name
> when he posts.
>
>> If the latter, then stuff you
>> (based on what I have read regurgitated at the bottom of Gunny's post,
>> <the troll>
>> is sometimes on the mark but with a dearth of usefull detail).
>
> Anyone can read the troll's original post in its entirety in the archives,
> despite my posts, so I'm not blocking him from being heard, just notifying
> everyone that the words were written by a troll, not Tom.
>
>> (Who the hell is <the troll>?
>
> It's a young kid who hates Microsoft, and anything associated with
> Microsoft, and any person associated with Microsoft's products, including
> MVP's. Ever work with a Microsoft product or write about a Microsoft
> product? Hates you, too.
>
>> In the ng's I visit, <the troll's> posts seem less
>> numerically intrusive than Gunny's about nothing more important than <the
>> troll>, or
>> Tom's undisputed reputation.
>
> The number of the troll's posts in the newsgroups far exceed mine, but he
> has used many different names to post under so you may not have noticed how
> many he's accumulated. It would probably be best if you add my name to your
> kill file, so that I don't intrude on the tranquility of the newsgroups.
> Don't add any of the troll's names to your kill file because you don't want
> to miss the profound wisdom this kid adds to newsgroup discussions.
>
>> Perhaps it's inherent for Marines to be paranoid?
>
> It's inherent for Marines to always be faithful ("Semper Fidelis"), to stand
> for honor and respect, and to protect honorable citizens from attacks. If
> you think I'll sit back and ignore a crime being committed against a good,
> honest, and decent friend of mine, you're mistaken.
>
>> Why would you feel need to defend Tom and not himself? He defends himself
>> and
>> Access brilliantly in the sometimes technical spats I've had with him.
>
> Funny you should ask that. When was the last time you saw Tom post in the
> newsgroups? He posted in the morning just before he left for work on the
> day the troll started his attack on Tom. It appears that the troll, who
> lives in very close proximity to Tom, is stalking Tom, because he knew
> exactly when to start his online attack, and he even posted Tom's address
> and phone number in the newsgroups quite a few times that day.
>
> Perhaps you would pass this off as paranoia if it happened to you, but if
> someone other than Ed McMahon and the American Family Publishing Sweepstakes
> is in your neighborhood and suddenly becomes especially interested in your
> name and your house and your phone number, then your friends and neighbors
> should probably take an active interest, because someone appears to be
> casing your house.
>
> Gunny
>
> See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
> See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
> Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
> http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
> info.
>
>

Re: VSTO other than ADE
Yvonne Anderson <yvonnemichele[ at ]noos.fr> 6/12/2007 10:30:15 AM
What it is this group, and why is it appearing on my computer?

Yvonne Michele Anderson
yvonnemichele[ at ]noos.fr


On 8/06/07 19:26, in article #pNh4HfqHHA.1296[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, "'69
Camaro" <ForwardZERO_SPAM.To.69Camaro[ at ]Spameater.orgZERO_SPAM> wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Hi, Chris.
>
>> Can you please post some appropriate statement once to each newsgroup.
>
> I considered it, but I also considered the following scenarios, which
> override the short-lived benefit of a single post in a separate thread for
> each newsgroup:
>
> 1.) Tom may want to change jobs in the future and apply to an employer who
> has never heard of him. The HR person Googles Tom's name and reads the
> trash that a troll wrote and signed with Tom's name. Will that HR person
> also read my "appropriate statement" posted separately in each newsgroup?
> No. The troll's words will be attributed to Tom, unless there's some sort
> of "Hey! That ain't Tom!" notification right next to the impersonation that
> would make the HR person question the validity of who wrote the trash.
>
> 2.) A researcher searches the archive on a topic and reads a thread where
> the troll wrote trash and signed Tom's name. Will that researcher also read
> my "appropriate statement" posted separately in each newsgroup? No.
> Reading the trash will unfairly taint every other post that the researcher
> reads that was really authored by Tom, unless there's an immediate alert in
> close proximity telling new readers whenever an imposter posts the trash.
>
>> There seems no need to post individually to each instance. There are 6
>> identical posts in this ng, and gawd-knows how many in other ng's. This
>> amounts, more or less, to spam.
>
> Since you feel that way, I've added your name to the list I won't post a
> notification for if an imposter ever impersonates you.
>
>> We all know, or most of us do, that Tom Wickerath MVP is very experienced
>> with
>> MS Access
>
> I don't think Tom is famous enough that most of the public at large would
> recognize his name, or know that he's an MVP, or know that he works with
> Microsoft Access, but that's not entirely Tom's fault. His PR firm isn't
> very good. If he had a better PR company, Tom's name would be a household
> name in no time, just like Camaro is.
>
>> I just say, one announcement (per week whilst it
>> lasts?) is sufficient.
>
> The people who are going to need to read that announcement (which are those
> who don't already know who Tom is, but read the trash first) will be very
> unlikely to ever find or read such an announcement, unless it coincides with
> the trash itself.
>
>> As it happens, I have received no such posts, in Outlook Express, as
>> mentioned
>> so they must be already filtered and it is not by any action on my part.
>
> Your news server has removed them. I assure you that the trash posts are on
> other news servers all over the world. They're also permanently archived on
> the Internet, which means they're retreivable by Internet search engines.
>
>> Are you worried about <the troll> impersonating Tom, or worried about what
>> he has to
>> say?
>
> The troll's impersonations can damage others' good reputations. I don't
> read the troll's posts, so I couldn't care less what he has to say, but he
> should be using his own name as his signature -- and using his own mouth to
> speak with.
>
>> If the former, then let him post under his own name?
>
> No one is twisting the troll's arm to prevent him from using his own name
> when he posts.
>
>> If the latter, then stuff you
>> (based on what I have read regurgitated at the bottom of Gunny's post,
>> <the troll>
>> is sometimes on the mark but with a dearth of usefull detail).
>
> Anyone can read the troll's original post in its entirety in the archives,
> despite my posts, so I'm not blocking him from being heard, just notifying
> everyone that the words were written by a troll, not Tom.
>
>> (Who the hell is <the troll>?
>
> It's a young kid who hates Microsoft, and anything associated with
> Microsoft, and any person associated with Microsoft's products, including
> MVP's. Ever work with a Microsoft product or write about a Microsoft
> product? Hates you, too.
>
>> In the ng's I visit, <the troll's> posts seem less
>> numerically intrusive than Gunny's about nothing more important than <the
>> troll>, or
>> Tom's undisputed reputation.
>
> The number of the troll's posts in the newsgroups far exceed mine, but he
> has used many different names to post under so you may not have noticed how
> many he's accumulated. It would probably be best if you add my name to your
> kill file, so that I don't intrude on the tranquility of the newsgroups.
> Don't add any of the troll's names to your kill file because you don't want
> to miss the profound wisdom this kid adds to newsgroup discussions.
>
>> Perhaps it's inherent for Marines to be paranoid?
>
> It's inherent for Marines to always be faithful ("Semper Fidelis"), to stand
> for honor and respect, and to protect honorable citizens from attacks. If
> you think I'll sit back and ignore a crime being committed against a good,
> honest, and decent friend of mine, you're mistaken.
>
>> Why would you feel need to defend Tom and not himself? He defends himself
>> and
>> Access brilliantly in the sometimes technical spats I've had with him.
>
> Funny you should ask that. When was the last time you saw Tom post in the
> newsgroups? He posted in the morning just before he left for work on the
> day the troll started his attack on Tom. It appears that the troll, who
> lives in very close proximity to Tom, is stalking Tom, because he knew
> exactly when to start his online attack, and he even posted Tom's address
> and phone number in the newsgroups quite a few times that day.
>
> Perhaps you would pass this off as paranoia if it happened to you, but if
> someone other than Ed McMahon and the American Family Publishing Sweepstakes
> is in your neighborhood and suddenly becomes especially interested in your
> name and your house and your phone number, then your friends and neighbors
> should probably take an active interest, because someone appears to be
> casing your house.
>
> Gunny
>
> See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
> See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
> Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
> http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
> info.
>
>

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