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I'm giving OneNote 2007 a spin. I was really stumped when I tried to use the
pen to mark some items and the cursor pointer disappeared as I entered the
document window. I guess what was happening is I had yellow as the color, so
it was next to impossible to see that little tiny yellow dot on a white
background. Are there any workarounds to such behavior so I am not caught
again?
When I have marked some text, is there a way to join the text box and the
markings so I can keep them in the same relationship but move them around on
the page? It seems I can only select one item at a time (unless I've missed
some secret) so it is not possible to even select the two items at once to
move as a unit.
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To your first question, your diagnosis is correct and there's no way to
control this. We've played with bigger/different cursors for the pen when in
ink mode, but they all "got in the way" when you try to start writing. The
model we use now has become the standard across the Tablet platform (not
necessarily because that's how we do it :) ).
To your second question, there is not a way to group ink with text they way
you'd like. This is a very common request, and hopefully something we'll do
in a future version.
-alex <MS>
"Kevin Buchs" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I'm giving OneNote 2007 a spin. I was really stumped when I tried to use the
> pen to mark some items and the cursor pointer disappeared as I entered the
> document window. I guess what was happening is I had yellow as the color, so
> it was next to impossible to see that little tiny yellow dot on a white
> background. Are there any workarounds to such behavior so I am not caught
> again?
>
> When I have marked some text, is there a way to join the text box and the
> markings so I can keep them in the same relationship but move them around on
> the page? It seems I can only select one item at a time (unless I've missed
> some secret) so it is not possible to even select the two items at once to
> move as a unit.
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How about making an option that will allow your "point" icon (the
cursor) be as large or small as you like it, but, once your pen "hits"
the screen, default it to the current size (which is nice for inking)?
erik
Alex <MS> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > To your first question, your diagnosis is correct and there's no way to
> control this. We've played with bigger/different cursors for the pen when in
> ink mode, but they all "got in the way" when you try to start writing. The
> model we use now has become the standard across the Tablet platform (not
> necessarily because that's how we do it :) ).
>
> To your second question, there is not a way to group ink with text they way
> you'd like. This is a very common request, and hopefully something we'll do
> in a future version.
>
> -alex <MS>
>
> "Kevin Buchs" wrote:
>
>> I'm giving OneNote 2007 a spin. I was really stumped when I tried to use the
>> pen to mark some items and the cursor pointer disappeared as I entered the
>> document window. I guess what was happening is I had yellow as the color, so
>> it was next to impossible to see that little tiny yellow dot on a white
>> background. Are there any workarounds to such behavior so I am not caught
>> again?
>>
>> When I have marked some text, is there a way to join the text box and the
>> markings so I can keep them in the same relationship but move them around on
>> the page? It seems I can only select one item at a time (unless I've missed
>> some secret) so it is not possible to even select the two items at once to
>> move as a unit.
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This is something we've experimented with in the past. The problem with this
approach is that you can't use the size of the cursor to verify what size of
pen you have. People who switch between pens a lot use this as a quick way
to "preview" the type of ink they are about to write. We'd lose this ability
if we made the cursor different from what the pen will actually write. This
is a trade off where there is no super clear winner.
-Alex <MS>
"Erik Gulbrandsen" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > How about making an option that will allow your "point" icon (the
> cursor) be as large or small as you like it, but, once your pen "hits"
> the screen, default it to the current size (which is nice for inking)?
>
> erik
>
> Alex <MS> wrote:
> > To your first question, your diagnosis is correct and there's no way to
> > control this. We've played with bigger/different cursors for the pen when in
> > ink mode, but they all "got in the way" when you try to start writing. The
> > model we use now has become the standard across the Tablet platform (not
> > necessarily because that's how we do it :) ).
> >
> > To your second question, there is not a way to group ink with text they way
> > you'd like. This is a very common request, and hopefully something we'll do
> > in a future version.
> >
> > -alex <MS>
> >
> > "Kevin Buchs" wrote:
> >
> >> I'm giving OneNote 2007 a spin. I was really stumped when I tried to use the
> >> pen to mark some items and the cursor pointer disappeared as I entered the
> >> document window. I guess what was happening is I had yellow as the color, so
> >> it was next to impossible to see that little tiny yellow dot on a white
> >> background. Are there any workarounds to such behavior so I am not caught
> >> again?
> >>
> >> When I have marked some text, is there a way to join the text box and the
> >> markings so I can keep them in the same relationship but move them around on
> >> the page? It seems I can only select one item at a time (unless I've missed
> >> some secret) so it is not possible to even select the two items at once to
> >> move as a unit.
>
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I completely see your point. How about making it an "on/off" feature in
options? I do like to know if I'm using a highlighter versus a pen, but
that is about it...well, also, I want to know what color I'm using.
Those are things, I think, that could easily be coded.
erik
Alex <MS> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > This is something we've experimented with in the past. The problem with this
> approach is that you can't use the size of the cursor to verify what size of
> pen you have. People who switch between pens a lot use this as a quick way
> to "preview" the type of ink they are about to write. We'd lose this ability
> if we made the cursor different from what the pen will actually write. This
> is a trade off where there is no super clear winner.
>
> -Alex <MS>
>
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We try not to add things like this to tools/options because if we did, there
would be so many that it would be impossible to use. And, the vast majority
of people don't use tools/options at all. So it is up to us to make the best
decision we can about what the default behavior should do.
"Erik Gulbrandsen" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I completely see your point. How about making it an "on/off" feature in
> options? I do like to know if I'm using a highlighter versus a pen, but
> that is about it...well, also, I want to know what color I'm using.
> Those are things, I think, that could easily be coded.
>
> erik
>
> Alex <MS> wrote:
> > This is something we've experimented with in the past. The problem with this
> > approach is that you can't use the size of the cursor to verify what size of
> > pen you have. People who switch between pens a lot use this as a quick way
> > to "preview" the type of ink they are about to write. We'd lose this ability
> > if we made the cursor different from what the pen will actually write. This
> > is a trade off where there is no super clear winner.
> >
> > -Alex <MS>
> >
>
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I guess I'm in the vast minority...I have customized every little
feature OneNote has to offer. Maybe I just have pipe dreams of being
able to do whatever I want in the program.
I understand what you are saying...Outlook has tons of features, but,
most of them aren't used because people don't take the time to learn
them since there are so many.
I guess this was the idea behind the ribbon?
thanks for all :)
erik
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Alex <MS> wrote:
[Quoted Text] > And, the vast majority
> of people don't use tools/options at all. So it is up to us to make the best
> decision we can about what the default behavior should do.
>
Interesting. So, in essence people would judge the product a lot on
initial configuration instead of looking for options to make it more
personable/comfortable to their way of doing things. Hate to say it, but
I can certainly believe that. With something as flexible as OneNote I
would imagine that to be a real effort, from deciding what notebooks,
sections and pages to initially show to what pen colors to have
available from the start.
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