Is the trial version feature limited? Martin Folley 3/16/2007 10:58:08 PM I have just started to use OneNote 2007 trial, and like many of the features but I am wondering if my trial version is fully installed. I cannot find the 'format painter' button I cannot find a styles palette I cannot find the help file The help file is the biggest issue, since I am sure many other features would be obvious with this. If I go to the help menu, and type in 'Subpage' the first thing that happens is it is turned into lowercase (!) before showing me: Searched for: "subpage" No results were found matching "subpage". Tips for better search results: Try a different phrase Check your spelling Yet subpage is one of the items/features of the software. Are my help files missing? Normally I work offline, so this is the only help that I have. When connected, I get some more information but I cannot conceieve of an application that does not provide help files as part of that application! Furthermore, in relation to the subpage issue, I cannot see how to make a page into the subpage of another page... is this 'grouping'? The help is very poorly written, with little additional information nor hyperlinks to other areas. Is this typical of OneNote, or is it the trial version? BTW. The make or break issue for me at the moment is that I cannot find the format painter button,or any mechanism to format text is an easy fashion (e.g. styles) any help n that would be most welcome.

Re: Is the trial version feature limited? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" <pdschmid[ at ]nospam.mvps.org> 3/17/2007 2:12:39 AM The trial is not feature limited. OneNote does not have a format painter nor does it support styles. There might be an issue with help where it doesn't recognize your Internet connection correctly. Have you explicitly tried to set it to offline or online? Help is definitely included in the trial. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Martin Folley" <MartinFolley[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CB2249F1-FF1B-4AEC-AB89-B4EB88C227DE[ at ]microsoft.com: [Quoted Text] > I have just started to use OneNote 2007 trial, and like many of the features > but I am wondering if my trial version is fully installed. > > I cannot find the 'format painter' button > I cannot find a styles palette > I cannot find the help file > > The help file is the biggest issue, since I am sure many other features > would be obvious with this. > > If I go to the help menu, and type in 'Subpage' the first thing that happens > is it is turned into lowercase (!) before showing me: > > Searched for: "subpage" > > > No results were found matching "subpage". > Tips for better search results: > Try a different phrase > Check your spelling > > > Yet subpage is one of the items/features of the software. Are my help files > missing? > > Normally I work offline, so this is the only help that I have. > > When connected, I get some more information but I cannot conceieve of an > application that does not provide help files as part of that application! > Furthermore, in relation to the subpage issue, I cannot see how to make a > page into the subpage of another page... is this 'grouping'? The help is very > poorly written, with little additional information nor hyperlinks to other > areas. > > Is this typical of OneNote, or is it the trial version? > > > BTW. The make or break issue for me at the moment is that I cannot find the > format painter button,or any mechanism to format text is an easy fashion > (e.g. styles) any help n that would be most welcome.

Re: Is the trial version feature limited? Martin Folley 3/17/2007 7:19:08 PM Thankyou for the reply. 1. Is there no formatting other than the basic stuff that I was using 20 years ago? Why is this? Formatting and layout is a vital part of the information. I was surprised that you do not seem to be able to link the text boxes with connectors to enable mind mapping functions ... but no formatting! 2. I have tried help both online and offline. The online help is very poor. It is slow, lacks detail, does not have the usual hyperlinks to related topics. When compared to office 2000 help, it can only be described as incomplete and cut-down (hence trial version?). The offline help is appalling. To not even have the keywords from the application's own menu system is incredible. I am aware that sometimes office installations in the past have not registered the help correctly, particularly Access and VBA help files ... so I assumed thi to be the case. As an MVP, have you actually tried the help offline? I would not expect that experts would use it that often ... but those of us new to this application have to start somewhere. Try looking for subpage. I have since discovered that one part of the application talks about subpages, and another talks about grouping, but that they do not refer to each other in the help! "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > The trial is not feature limited. OneNote does not have a format painter > nor does it support styles. > There might be an issue with help where it doesn't recognize your > Internet connection correctly. Have you explicitly tried to set it to > offline or online? > Help is definitely included in the trial. > > Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net > *** > Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 > *** > Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize > RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer > OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote > *** > Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed > > "Martin Folley" <MartinFolley[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > message news:CB2249F1-FF1B-4AEC-AB89-B4EB88C227DE[ at ]microsoft.com: > > > I have just started to use OneNote 2007 trial, and like many of the features > > but I am wondering if my trial version is fully installed. > > > > I cannot find the 'format painter' button > > I cannot find a styles palette > > I cannot find the help file > > > > The help file is the biggest issue, since I am sure many other features > > would be obvious with this. > > > > If I go to the help menu, and type in 'Subpage' the first thing that happens > > is it is turned into lowercase (!) before showing me: > > > > Searched for: "subpage" > > > > > > No results were found matching "subpage". > > Tips for better search results: > > Try a different phrase > > Check your spelling > > > > > > Yet subpage is one of the items/features of the software. Are my help files > > missing? > > > > Normally I work offline, so this is the only help that I have. > > > > When connected, I get some more information but I cannot conceieve of an > > application that does not provide help files as part of that application! > > Furthermore, in relation to the subpage issue, I cannot see how to make a > > page into the subpage of another page... is this 'grouping'? The help is very > > poorly written, with little additional information nor hyperlinks to other > > areas. > > > > Is this typical of OneNote, or is it the trial version? > > > > > > BTW. The make or break issue for me at the moment is that I cannot find the > > format painter button,or any mechanism to format text is an easy fashion > > (e.g. styles) any help n that would be most welcome. > >

Re: Is the trial version feature limited? xTenn <xTenn_removethispart[ at ]tds.net> 3/19/2007 1:20:53 PM Martin Folley wrote: [Quoted Text] > > Formatting and layout is a vital part of the > information. > From a tablet (slate type) user perspective,I would tend to disagree. At least as far as systematic changes are concerned - imagine what a mess an auto-format wizard would make of one's carefully placed ink, complete with inked annotations...

Re: Is the trial version feature limited? Martin Folley 3/24/2007 1:02:00 PM Thanks for this contibution ... I am glad that it is not just my mistake ... the basic WP features are indeed missing. As a non-slate user, I could not comment about ink annotations ... however I would make the observations that a) only a small proportion of the MS office / onenote user base will be slate users b) Office is a well known example of bloatware, and as such I would expect to see at least basic features, which may then be switched off, rather than the features being absent from the start. c) It reminds me of built in obsolesence (pre-planned reasons to upgrade), similar to how Apple marketed the iPod d) MS is rather slow at mentioning that this software is basically targetted at slate users I am glad that slate users are well catered for, but as for me, I have just terminated the trial since without the information implied through formatting the contents loose much of their meaning. I would be interested if anybody knows when the next version is due to be released. I did like much of what I saw (formatting and poor searching aside) but it is not a mature enoough product to be worth investing time in at the moment. "xTenn" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Martin Folley wrote: > > > > Formatting and layout is a vital part of the > > information. > > > > > From a tablet (slate type) user perspective,I would tend to disagree. > > At least as far as systematic changes are concerned - imagine what a > mess an auto-format wizard would make of one's carefully placed ink, > complete with inked annotations... > >

Re: Is the trial version feature limited? xTenn <xTennREMOVETHISPART[ at ]tds.net> 3/26/2007 3:59:35 PM Martin Folley wrote: [Quoted Text] > > I am glad that slate users are well catered for, but as for me, I have just > terminated the trial since without the information implied through formatting > the contents loose much of their meaning. > I a curious as to what kind of formatting you need if it is integral to the data set. Surely you do not allow a wizard (or format painter) to impart this degree of information to you data collection, otherwise its value as a strictly proprietary data depth is certainly limiting its future portability and sharing...