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Need White Paper on OneNote
Dwayne 12/2/2008 4:54:23 PM
Does anyone know where there is a white paper on testing OneNote 2007 with
SharePoint?

We are looking to use ON 2007 on a fairly large scale and out IT folks are
nervous. I need some documentation from Microsoft that will put their fears
to rest.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"John Waller" <johnw[ at ]REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> 12/2/2008 7:56:37 PM
[Quoted Text]
> Does anyone know where there is a white paper on testing OneNote 2007 with
> SharePoint?

Does this video count?

Using SharePoint Server 2007 with OneNote 2007
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/webcasts/HA102547461033.aspx

> We are looking to use ON 2007 on a fairly large scale and out IT folks are
> nervous. I need some documentation from Microsoft that will put their
> fears
> to rest.

What questions do they have?

--
Regards

John Waller

Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"David" <david.powerbits[ at ]nogmailspam.com> 12/2/2008 9:10:52 PM
One question I have is how does OneNote resolve synch conflicts?



"John Waller" <johnw[ at ]REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
>> Does anyone know where there is a white paper on testing OneNote 2007
>> with
>> SharePoint?
>
> Does this video count?
>
> Using SharePoint Server 2007 with OneNote 2007
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/webcasts/HA102547461033.aspx
>
>> We are looking to use ON 2007 on a fairly large scale and out IT folks
>> are
>> nervous. I need some documentation from Microsoft that will put their
>> fears
>> to rest.
>
> What questions do they have?
>
> --
> Regards
>
> John Waller


Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"Erik Sojka (MVP)" <esojka[ at ]ms-onenote.net.nospam> 12/2/2008 10:11:16 PM
In what sense? Do you mean in general, like in a shared notebook (and
where the underlying technology (SMB/Mapped Drive/SharePoint) is
irrelevant, or something specific to SharePoint?

"David" <david.powerbits[ at ]nogmailspam.com> wrote in
news:#7Jr4JMVJHA.5424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

[Quoted Text]
> One question I have is how does OneNote resolve synch conflicts?
>
>
>
Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"David" <david.powerbits[ at ]nogmailspam.com> 12/3/2008 12:12:22 AM
The former.

A note, 2009 Planning has been created in ON.

User A is offline, and makes a change to the note.
User B is offline, and makes a change to the note.

Now they both connect and attempt to synch to the shared drive and/or
Sharepoint storage.

Who "wins"?

--

David Olsen
www.powerbits.com.au


"Erik Sojka (MVP)" <esojka[ at ]ms-onenote.net.nospam> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
> In what sense? Do you mean in general, like in a shared notebook (and
> where the underlying technology (SMB/Mapped Drive/SharePoint) is
> irrelevant, or something specific to SharePoint?
>
> "David" <david.powerbits[ at ]nogmailspam.com> wrote in
> news:#7Jr4JMVJHA.5424[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
>> One question I have is how does OneNote resolve synch conflicts?
>>
>>
>>
>


Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"Rainald Taesler" <taesler[ at ]gmx.de> 12/3/2008 2:34:58 AM
David wrote:

[Quoted Text]
>>> One question I have is how does OneNote resolve synch conflicts?

>> In what sense? Do you mean in general, like in a shared notebook
>> (and where the underlying technology (SMB/Mapped Drive/SharePoint)
>> is irrelevant, or something specific to SharePoint?
>
> A note, 2009 Planning has been created in ON.
>
> User A is offline, and makes a change to the note.
> User B is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>
> Now they both connect and attempt to synch to the shared drive
> and/or Sharepoint storage.
>
> Who "wins"?

I can not say for Share point (I'm illiterate in so far).
With shared notebooks this is not a problem as synching does not work on
a per file or per page basis but synchs per item (object).

But could try it out easily yourself <g>.

Rainald

Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"John Waller" <johnw[ at ]REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> 12/3/2008 3:00:08 AM
[Quoted Text]
> User A is offline, and makes a change to the note.
> User B is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>
> Now they both connect and attempt to synch to the shared drive and/or
> Sharepoint storage.
>
> Who "wins"?

From (former OneNote Program Manager) Chris Pratley's blog article from Sep
2005, "OneNote 12 - Working as a team with shared notebooks":

"The only times you actually see a conflict is when there are two content
modifications to the same paragraph - maybe I changed "great" to "swell" and
you changed it to "awesome". In that case we will pick one winner (the first
one to update the master) and then show a ghosted page that indicates where
the conflict edit is."

http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley/archive/2005/09/27/474299.aspx

See "6. Isn't this just going to cause conflicts all over the place?"

--
Regards

John Waller

Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"David" <david.powerbits[ at ]nogmailspam.com> 12/3/2008 4:20:44 AM
Very nice. I have recently had my attention drawn to the great
possibilities of OneNote and Sharepoint together and this confirms it.

--




"John Waller" <johnw[ at ]REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> wrote in message
news:422E315D-9B94-46F9-84A6-12484D842641[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>> User A is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>> User B is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>>
>> Now they both connect and attempt to synch to the shared drive and/or
>> Sharepoint storage.
>>
>> Who "wins"?
>
> From (former OneNote Program Manager) Chris Pratley's blog article from
> Sep 2005, "OneNote 12 - Working as a team with shared notebooks":
>
> "The only times you actually see a conflict is when there are two content
> modifications to the same paragraph - maybe I changed "great" to "swell"
> and you changed it to "awesome". In that case we will pick one winner (the
> first one to update the master) and then show a ghosted page that
> indicates where the conflict edit is."
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley/archive/2005/09/27/474299.aspx
>
> See "6. Isn't this just going to cause conflicts all over the place?"
>
> --
> Regards
>
> John Waller


Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"Erik Sojka (MVP)" <esojka[ at ]ms-onenote.net.nospam> 12/3/2008 9:24:21 AM
Synchronization occurs at the paragraph level. Unless there are people
making a change to the same piece of data in the same page, there are no
conflicts. It's rare to find a conflict.


"David" <david.powerbits[ at ]nogmailspam.com> wrote in
news:#rGRTvNVJHA.4896[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

[Quoted Text]
> The former.
>
> A note, 2009 Planning has been created in ON.
>
> User A is offline, and makes a change to the note.
> User B is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>
> Now they both connect and attempt to synch to the shared drive and/or
> Sharepoint storage.
>
> Who "wins"?
>

Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"Rainald Taesler" <taesler[ at ]gmx.de> 12/3/2008 12:50:10 PM
Erik Sojka (MVP) wrote:

[Quoted Text]
>> A note, 2009 Planning has been created in ON.
>>
>> User A is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>> User B is offline, and makes a change to the note.
>>
>> Now they both connect and attempt to synch to the shared drive
>> and/or Sharepoint storage.
>>
>> Who "wins"?
>
> Synchronization occurs at the paragraph level. Unless there are
> people making a change to the same piece of data in the same page,
> there are no conflicts. It's rare to find a conflict.

AFAICS no problem with the same Page.
As you correctly say synching works with *paragraphs* so a conflict may
arise only if the same paragraph is touched.

Rainald

Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
Dwayne 12/3/2008 1:33:03 PM


"John Waller" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> > Does anyone know where there is a white paper on testing OneNote 2007 with
> > SharePoint?
>
> Does this video count?
>
> Using SharePoint Server 2007 with OneNote 2007
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/webcasts/HA102547461033.aspx
>
> > We are looking to use ON 2007 on a fairly large scale and out IT folks are
> > nervous. I need some documentation from Microsoft that will put their
> > fears
> > to rest.
>
> What questions do they have?
>
> --
> Regards
>
> John Waller
>
>
Actually I need some thing I can print for them. They have lots of questions
concerning scalability, stability and the whole gammut.
Is there anything from the testing folks documentation located anywhere
online?
Re: Need White Paper on OneNote
"John Waller" <johnw[ at ]REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> 12/3/2008 7:37:35 PM
[Quoted Text]
> Actually I need some thing I can print for them.

IT people want to read printed documents? That's a first :-)

> They have lots of questions
> concerning scalability, stability and the whole gammut.

Would be helpful to have a sample of the kind of specific questions they've
got. I suspect the answers are scattered over the web.

There's no single online resource of whitepaper I'm aware of, I'm afraid.

Much of my understanding of OneNote has come from Chris Pratley's blog (when
he was ON PM) and this forum.

Have they tried stress testing ON in a Sharepoint sandpit and seeing if
they're happy with its performance?

--
Regards

John Waller

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