Modify embeded files? Mitch Powell 6/5/2007 7:53:01 AM I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. The modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing something wrong?

Re: Modify embeded files? "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <not_real[ at ]microsoft.com> 6/13/2007 9:21:13 PM They should be. Are you getting any sync errors? Does it appear like this after a minute? "Mitch Powell" <MitchPowell[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D9FCA086-9910-4556-9138-9F91FE83CCCC[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] >I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. The > modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing > something > wrong?

Re: Modify embeded files? "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp.org[ at ]gmail.com> 6/15/2007 1:39:56 AM On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. The > modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing something > wrong? No. I find this happens alot. It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote is not a good idea. When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might not. I would never trust it.

Re: Modify embeded files? "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp.org[ at ]gmail.com> 6/15/2007 1:41:41 AM On Jun 14, 9:39 pm, "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell > > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. The > > modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing something > > wrong? Try waiting 30 seconds before opening it. It might be stored in cache and not synched up instantaneously.

Re: Modify embeded files? "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <not_real[ at ]microsoft.com> 6/15/2007 5:20:36 PM What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in the OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it to a temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file (aka when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location and place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the file. As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use it to sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I see my edits later on. It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my most important documents. "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp.org[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... [Quoted Text] > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. The >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing >> something >> wrong? > > No. I find this happens alot. > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote is > not a good idea. > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might > not. I would never trust it. >

Re: Modify embeded files? Mitch Powell 6/18/2007 5:09:00 PM Thanks. I was testing the feature and would re-open the file immediately after editing and saving. Apparently OneNote had not yet had time to sync the file on its normal cycle time. What is that time, BTW? "Daniel Escapa [MS]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in the > OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it to a > temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file (aka > when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is > editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location and > place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the file. > As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use it to > sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I see my > edits later on. > > It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my most > important documents. > > "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp.org[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell > > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. The > >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing > >> something > >> wrong? > > > > No. I find this happens alot. > > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote is > > not a good idea. > > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file > > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded > > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might > > not. I would never trust it. > > >

Re: Modify embeded files? "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <notreal[ at ]microsoft.com> 6/18/2007 9:09:40 PM For local hard drives and UNC it should be ~30sec and on SharePoint it should be 10min. "Mitch Powell" <MitchPowell[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DF5CAF9F-4F55-45A9-81C4-57FB2AB41603[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Thanks. I was testing the feature and would re-open the file immediately > after editing and saving. Apparently OneNote had not yet had time to sync > the file on its normal cycle time. What is that time, BTW? > > "Daniel Escapa [MS]" wrote: > >> What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in the >> OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it to >> a >> temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file >> (aka >> when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is >> editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location and >> place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the >> file. >> As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use it >> to >> sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I see >> my >> edits later on. >> >> It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my >> most >> important documents. >> >> "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp.org[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell >> > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. >> >> The >> >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing >> >> something >> >> wrong? >> > >> > No. I find this happens alot. >> > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote is >> > not a good idea. >> > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file >> > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded >> > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might >> > not. I would never trust it. >> > >>

Re: Modify embeded files? "benmca[ at ]gmail.com" <benmca[ at ]gmail.com> 6/19/2007 8:43:30 PM Hi Daniel and everyone - This, like another thread we spoke on discussing timing of InkAnalysis, seems like a good argument for an Event OneNote could fire, to alert of the 'sync' event after it happens. Any chance that this is on the horizon for a future rev of the OneNote interop? Interoperating with an application, and not being able to discern it's state (Sync'd/not sync'd, page reco'd/page not reco'd) is limiting. Maybe there is such functionality hiding elsewhere on the platform? Thanks - Ben On Jun 18, 2:09 pm, "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <notr...[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > For local hard drives and UNC it should be ~30sec and on SharePoint it > should be 10min. > > "Mitch Powell" <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:DF5CAF9F-4F55-45A9-81C4-57FB2AB41603[ at ]microsoft.com... > > > Thanks. I was testing the feature and would re-open the file immediately > > after editing and saving. Apparently OneNote had not yet had time to sync > > the file on its normal cycle time. What is that time, BTW? > > > "Daniel Escapa [MS]" wrote: > > >> What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in the > >> OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it to > >> a > >> temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file > >> (aka > >> when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is > >> editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location and > >> place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the > >> file. > >> As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use it > >> to > >> sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I see > >> my > >> edits later on. > > >> It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my > >> most > >> important documents. > > >> "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell > >> > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. > >> >> The > >> >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing > >> >> something > >> >> wrong? > > >> > No. I find this happens alot. > >> > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote is > >> > not a good idea. > >> > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file > >> > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded > >> > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might > >> > not. I would never trust it.

Re: Modify embeded files? "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <not_real[ at ]microsoft.com> 6/20/2007 2:31:29 AM It isn't hiding this is just something we can try and improve in the future. When we haven't fully sycned a section we do have a XML property which states allPagesSycned=false (or something like this). But otherwise no events and no way to force a sync. We have heard this feedback and it is on our list of possible improvements for vNext. <benmca[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message news:1182285810.503504.132760[ at ]d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... [Quoted Text] > Hi Daniel and everyone - > > This, like another thread we spoke on discussing timing of > InkAnalysis, seems like a good argument for an Event OneNote could > fire, to alert of the 'sync' event after it happens. Any chance that > this is on the horizon for a future rev of the OneNote interop? > Interoperating with an application, and not being able to discern it's > state (Sync'd/not sync'd, page reco'd/page not reco'd) is limiting. > Maybe there is such functionality hiding elsewhere on the platform? > Thanks - Ben > > On Jun 18, 2:09 pm, "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <notr...[ at ]microsoft.com> > wrote: >> For local hard drives and UNC it should be ~30sec and on SharePoint it >> should be 10min. >> >> "Mitch Powell" <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:DF5CAF9F-4F55-45A9-81C4-57FB2AB41603[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> > Thanks. I was testing the feature and would re-open the file >> > immediately >> > after editing and saving. Apparently OneNote had not yet had time to >> > sync >> > the file on its normal cycle time. What is that time, BTW? >> >> > "Daniel Escapa [MS]" wrote: >> >> >> What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in >> >> the >> >> OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it >> >> to >> >> a >> >> temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file >> >> (aka >> >> when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is >> >> editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location >> >> and >> >> place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the >> >> file. >> >> As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use >> >> it >> >> to >> >> sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I >> >> see >> >> my >> >> edits later on. >> >> >> It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my >> >> most >> >> important documents. >> >> >> "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message >> >>news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell >> >> > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. >> >> >> The >> >> >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing >> >> >> something >> >> >> wrong? >> >> >> > No. I find this happens alot. >> >> > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote >> >> > is >> >> > not a good idea. >> >> > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file >> >> > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded >> >> > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might >> >> > not. I would never trust it. > >

Re: Modify embeded files? "twesslen[ at ]gmail.com" <twesslen[ at ]gmail.com> 6/20/2007 1:47:41 PM I would like to once again plead with you to allow a relative link to be an option when you drag a file to onenote. I've heard nothing but negative comments about embedding files and would really like this removed feature back. Thanks, On Jun 19, 7:31 pm, "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <not_r...[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > It isn't hiding this is just something we can try and improve in the future. > > When we haven't fully sycned a section we do have a XML property which > states allPagesSycned=false (or something like this). But otherwise no > events and no way to force a sync. We have heard this feedback and it is on > our list of possible improvements for vNext. > > <ben...[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1182285810.503504.132760[ at ]d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > Hi Daniel and everyone - > > > This, like another thread we spoke on discussing timing of > > InkAnalysis, seems like a good argument for an Event OneNote could > > fire, to alert of the 'sync' event after it happens. Any chance that > > this is on the horizon for a future rev of the OneNote interop? > > Interoperating with an application, and not being able to discern it's > > state (Sync'd/not sync'd, page reco'd/page not reco'd) is limiting. > > Maybe there is such functionality hiding elsewhere on the platform? > > Thanks - Ben > > > On Jun 18, 2:09 pm, "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <notr...[ at ]microsoft.com> > > wrote: > >> For local hard drives and UNC it should be ~30sec and on SharePoint it > >> should be 10min. > > >> "Mitch Powell" <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >>news:DF5CAF9F-4F55-45A9-81C4-57FB2AB41603[ at ]microsoft.com... > > >> > Thanks. I was testing the feature and would re-open the file > >> > immediately > >> > after editing and saving. Apparently OneNote had not yet had time to > >> > sync > >> > the file on its normal cycle time. What is that time, BTW? > > >> > "Daniel Escapa [MS]" wrote: > > >> >> What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in > >> >> the > >> >> OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it > >> >> to > >> >> a > >> >> temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file > >> >> (aka > >> >> when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is > >> >> editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location > >> >> and > >> >> place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the > >> >> file. > >> >> As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use > >> >> it > >> >> to > >> >> sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I > >> >> see > >> >> my > >> >> edits later on. > > >> >> It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my > >> >> most > >> >> important documents. > > >> >> "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >>news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >> >> > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell > >> >> > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. > >> >> >> The > >> >> >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing > >> >> >> something > >> >> >> wrong? > > >> >> > No. I find this happens alot. > >> >> > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote > >> >> > is > >> >> > not a good idea. > >> >> > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file > >> >> > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded > >> >> > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might > >> >> > not. I would never trust it.

Re: Modify embeded files? "benmca[ at ]gmail.com" <benmca[ at ]gmail.com> 6/20/2007 3:32:45 PM Thanks Daniel - no offense meant with the hiding ;) I hadn't caught the allPagesSynced flag before - that may help me out in some cases. Thanks. b On Jun 19, 7:31 pm, "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <not_r...[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > It isn't hiding this is just something we can try and improve in the future. > > When we haven't fully sycned a section we do have a XML property which > states allPagesSycned=false (or something like this). But otherwise no > events and no way to force a sync. We have heard this feedback and it is on > our list of possible improvements for vNext. > > <ben...[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1182285810.503504.132760[ at ]d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > Hi Daniel and everyone - > > > This, like another thread we spoke on discussing timing of > > InkAnalysis, seems like a good argument for an Event OneNote could > > fire, to alert of the 'sync' event after it happens. Any chance that > > this is on the horizon for a future rev of the OneNote interop? > > Interoperating with an application, and not being able to discern it's > > state (Sync'd/not sync'd, page reco'd/page not reco'd) is limiting. > > Maybe there is such functionality hiding elsewhere on the platform? > > Thanks - Ben > > > On Jun 18, 2:09 pm, "Daniel Escapa [MS]" <notr...[ at ]microsoft.com> > > wrote: > >> For local hard drives and UNC it should be ~30sec and on SharePoint it > >> should be 10min. > > >> "Mitch Powell" <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >>news:DF5CAF9F-4F55-45A9-81C4-57FB2AB41603[ at ]microsoft.com... > > >> > Thanks. I was testing the feature and would re-open the file > >> > immediately > >> > after editing and saving. Apparently OneNote had not yet had time to > >> > sync > >> > the file on its normal cycle time. What is that time, BTW? > > >> > "Daniel Escapa [MS]" wrote: > > >> >> What EMRHelp says is correct. We store all of your embedded files in > >> >> the > >> >> OneNote offline cache. When you open a file (via OneNote) we copy it > >> >> to > >> >> a > >> >> temporary location and let you edit the file. When you close the file > >> >> (aka > >> >> when OneNote can get a write lock on the file and sees no one else is > >> >> editting it) OneNote will move that file from the temporary location > >> >> and > >> >> place it in the offline cache and then sync to the master copy of the > >> >> file. > >> >> As you can see there are a lot of steps there and it does work. I use > >> >> it > >> >> to > >> >> sync files across machines all of the time and I edit offline and I > >> >> see > >> >> my > >> >> edits later on. > > >> >> It does work, if not please let us know. I trust this feature with my > >> >> most > >> >> important documents. > > >> >> "EMRhelp.org" <EMRhelp....[ at ]gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >>news:1181871596.476191.4600[ at ]i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >> >> > On Jun 5, 3:53 am, Mitch Powell > >> >> > <MitchPow...[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I embed an Excel into OneNote. I open the file, edit and save it. > >> >> >> The > >> >> >> modifications are not reflected in the embedded file. Am I doing > >> >> >> something > >> >> >> wrong? > > >> >> > No. I find this happens alot. > >> >> > It's just another reason that embedding important files in OneNote > >> >> > is > >> >> > not a good idea. > >> >> > When you open the file ... it seems to open to a temporary file > >> >> > location, so when you save it ... it is NOT saving to the embedded > >> >> > file location. I think the changes might synch .. but they might > >> >> > not. I would never trust it.