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Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
IVP 12/17/2008 3:31:01 PM
I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
Running:
Citrix Presentation Server
Office 2003
I found something strange with WORD and have not been able resolve. What is
happening: all our company startup templates are loading twice. Meaning
there are duplicates of all of our custom menus and tool bars when MS WORD
starts up.

I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear and ran a
word repair. Copied good known copies of the templates, and duplicates still
appear.

However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom) template, back to
the startup menu, it gets duplicated.

Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the environment I am
working in?



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RE: Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
Stefan Blom 12/29/2008 2:18:01 PM
Could the toolbars have been duplicated in the templates themselves? Or could
the toolbars have been saved to both Normal and the custom templates? To
troubleshoot this, you may want to move all templates out of the Startup
folder. Then look at each template in turn (by opening it as an ordinary
file). See what happens.

Also, if you are using *code* to create the toolbars, make sure that the
code doesn't add toolbars (and/or toolbar controls) repeatedly.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"IVP" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
> Running:
> Citrix Presentation Server
> Office 2003
> I found something strange with WORD and have not been able resolve. What is
> happening: all our company startup templates are loading twice. Meaning
> there are duplicates of all of our custom menus and tool bars when MS WORD
> starts up.
>
> I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear and ran a
> word repair. Copied good known copies of the templates, and duplicates still
> appear.
>
> However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom) template, back to
> the startup menu, it gets duplicated.
>
> Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the environment I am
> working in?
>
>
>
> --
>
Re: Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
grammatim <grammatim[ at ]verizon.net> 12/29/2008 5:18:58 PM
I hadn't opened 2003 in a while, but then when I did, all the buttons
I had added to the various toolbars were duplicated! I thought it
might be because I had copies of normal.dot in the two different
Startup folders (from back when I couldn't find my customized
toolbars), so I zapped one of them, but I still get the duplicated
buttons.

On Dec 29, 9:18 am, Stefan Blom <no.s...[ at ]please.xyz> wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> Could the toolbars have been duplicated in the templates themselves? Or could
> the toolbars have been saved to both Normal and the custom templates? To
> troubleshoot this, you may want to move all templates out of the Startup
> folder. Then look at each template in turn (by opening it as an ordinary
> file). See what happens.
>
> Also, if you are using *code* to create the toolbars, make sure that the
> code doesn't add toolbars (and/or toolbar controls) repeatedly.
>
> --
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
>
>
>
> "IVP" wrote:
> > I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
> > Running:
> > Citrix Presentation Server
> > Office 2003
> > I found something strange with WORD and have not been able resolve.  What is
> > happening:  all our company startup templates are loading twice. Meaning
> > there are duplicates of all of our custom menus and tool bars when MS WORD
> > starts up.
>
> > I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear and ran a
> > word repair.  Copied good known copies of the templates, and duplicates still
> > appear.
>
> > However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom) template, back to
> > the startup menu, it gets duplicated.  
>
> > Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the environment I am
> > working in?
Re: Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
"Graham Mayor" <gmayor[ at ]REMOVETHISmvps.org> 12/30/2008 6:43:53 AM
Normal.dot does not go in your startup folder, but in the user templates
folder.
Move any normal.dot from the Word and Office startup folders to a neutral
location and rename the one in the user template folder to normal.old.
See http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm then
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/ProblemsStartingWord.htm.

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<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>



grammatim wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> I hadn't opened 2003 in a while, but then when I did, all the buttons
> I had added to the various toolbars were duplicated! I thought it
> might be because I had copies of normal.dot in the two different
> Startup folders (from back when I couldn't find my customized
> toolbars), so I zapped one of them, but I still get the duplicated
> buttons.
>
> On Dec 29, 9:18 am, Stefan Blom <no.s...[ at ]please.xyz> wrote:
>> Could the toolbars have been duplicated in the templates themselves?
>> Or could the toolbars have been saved to both Normal and the custom
>> templates? To troubleshoot this, you may want to move all templates
>> out of the Startup folder. Then look at each template in turn (by
>> opening it as an ordinary file). See what happens.
>>
>> Also, if you are using *code* to create the toolbars, make sure that
>> the code doesn't add toolbars (and/or toolbar controls) repeatedly.
>>
>> --
>> Stefan Blom
>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>
>>
>>
>> "IVP" wrote:
>>> I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
>>> Running:
>>> Citrix Presentation Server
>>> Office 2003
>>> I found something strange with WORD and have not been able resolve.
>>> What is happening: all our company startup templates are loading
>>> twice. Meaning there are duplicates of all of our custom menus and
>>> tool bars when MS WORD starts up.
>>
>>> I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear
>>> and ran a word repair. Copied good known copies of the templates,
>>> and duplicates still appear.
>>
>>> However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom)
>>> template, back to the startup menu, it gets duplicated.
>>
>>> Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the
>>> environment I am working in?


Re: Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
grammatim <grammatim[ at ]verizon.net> 12/30/2008 2:59:26 PM
This is directly contrary to the advice from Jay Freedman, which gave
me exactly what I needed -- my old customized toolbars available in
Word2003 under Vista.

If I rename etc., won't Word create a new normal.dot with the default
toolbars?

On Dec 30, 1:43 am, "Graham Mayor" <gma...[ at ]REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> Normal.dot does not go in your startup folder, but in the user templates
> folder.
> Move any normal.dot from the Word and Office startup folders to a neutral
> location and rename the one in the user template folder to normal.old.
> Seehttp://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htmthenhttp://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/ProblemsStartingWord.htm.
>
> --
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
> Graham Mayor -  Word MVP
>
> My web sitewww.gmayor.com
> Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
>
>
>
> grammatim wrote:
> > I hadn't opened 2003 in a while, but then when I did, all the buttons
> > I had added to the various toolbars were duplicated! I thought it
> > might be because I had copies of normal.dot in the two different
> > Startup folders (from back when I couldn't find my customized
> > toolbars), so I zapped one of them, but I still get the duplicated
> > buttons.
>
> > On Dec 29, 9:18 am, Stefan Blom <no.s...[ at ]please.xyz> wrote:
> >> Could the toolbars have been duplicated in the templates themselves?
> >> Or could the toolbars have been saved to both Normal and the custom
> >> templates? To troubleshoot this, you may want to move all templates
> >> out of the Startup folder. Then look at each template in turn (by
> >> opening it as an ordinary file). See what happens.
>
> >> Also, if you are using *code* to create the toolbars, make sure that
> >> the code doesn't add toolbars (and/or toolbar controls) repeatedly.
>
> >> --
> >> Stefan Blom
> >> Microsoft Word MVP
>
> >> "IVP" wrote:
> >>> I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
> >>> Running:
> >>> Citrix Presentation Server
> >>> Office 2003
> >>> I found something strange with WORD and have not been able resolve.
> >>> What is happening: all our company startup templates are loading
> >>> twice. Meaning there are duplicates of all of our custom menus and
> >>> tool bars when MS WORD starts up.
>
> >>> I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear
> >>> and ran a word repair. Copied good known copies of the templates,
> >>> and duplicates still appear.
>
> >>> However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom)
> >>> template, back to the startup menu, it gets duplicated.
>
> >>> Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the
> >>> environment I am working in?-
Re: Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
"Graham Mayor" <gmayor[ at ]REMOVETHISmvps.org> 12/31/2008 7:56:06 AM
Given that I see no reply from Jay in this thread, I have no idea what he
recommended.

It is impossible to keep track if you have assorted normal.dot templates
scattered around your system. You should have one and it should be in the
user templates folder. If you then add a copy to the startup folder the
custom toolbars will be duplicated which is the problem you complained of.
By renaming the normal template Word will create a new one and you can use
the organizer to copy custom toolbars etc from the renamed files to it. If
you want toolbars and macros to be provided by an add-in then copy them to
the add-in and delete them from normal.dot.

--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>


grammatim wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> This is directly contrary to the advice from Jay Freedman, which gave
> me exactly what I needed -- my old customized toolbars available in
> Word2003 under Vista.
>
> If I rename etc., won't Word create a new normal.dot with the default
> toolbars?
>
> On Dec 30, 1:43 am, "Graham Mayor" <gma...[ at ]REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote:
>> Normal.dot does not go in your startup folder, but in the user
>> templates folder.
>> Move any normal.dot from the Word and Office startup folders to a
>> neutral location and rename the one in the user template folder to
>> normal.old.
>> Seehttp://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htmthenhttp://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/ProblemsStartingWord.htm.
>>
>> --
>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
>> Graham Mayor - Word MVP
>>
>> My web sitewww.gmayor.com
>> Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org
>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
>>
>>
>>
>> grammatim wrote:
>>> I hadn't opened 2003 in a while, but then when I did, all the
>>> buttons I had added to the various toolbars were duplicated! I
>>> thought it might be because I had copies of normal.dot in the two
>>> different Startup folders (from back when I couldn't find my
>>> customized toolbars), so I zapped one of them, but I still get the
>>> duplicated buttons.
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 9:18 am, Stefan Blom <no.s...[ at ]please.xyz> wrote:
>>>> Could the toolbars have been duplicated in the templates
>>>> themselves? Or could the toolbars have been saved to both Normal
>>>> and the custom templates? To troubleshoot this, you may want to
>>>> move all templates out of the Startup folder. Then look at each
>>>> template in turn (by opening it as an ordinary file). See what
>>>> happens.
>>
>>>> Also, if you are using *code* to create the toolbars, make sure
>>>> that the code doesn't add toolbars (and/or toolbar controls)
>>>> repeatedly.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stefan Blom
>>>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>
>>>> "IVP" wrote:
>>>>> I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
>>>>> Running:
>>>>> Citrix Presentation Server
>>>>> Office 2003
>>>>> I found something strange with WORD and have not been able
>>>>> resolve. What is happening: all our company startup templates are
>>>>> loading twice. Meaning there are duplicates of all of our custom
>>>>> menus and tool bars when MS WORD starts up.
>>
>>>>> I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear
>>>>> and ran a word repair. Copied good known copies of the templates,
>>>>> and duplicates still appear.
>>
>>>>> However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom)
>>>>> template, back to the startup menu, it gets duplicated.
>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the
>>>>> environment I am working in?-


Re: Word Startup templates are loading twice on TS 2003
grammatim <grammatim[ at ]verizon.net> 12/31/2008 4:42:09 PM
On Dec 31, 2:56 am, "Graham Mayor" <gma...[ at ]REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> Given that I see no reply from Jay in this thread, I have no idea what he
> recommended.

It's in the thread "old 2003 template to new location?", which I
started on October 21, 2008. He explained that there are two different
kinds of startup folder in Vista, and how to access them.

> It is impossible to keep track if you have assorted normal.dot templates
> scattered around your system. You should have one and it should be in the
> user templates folder. If you then add a copy to the startup folder the
> custom toolbars will be duplicated which is the problem you complained of..

I don't have duplicated custom toolbars; in the toolbars to which I
added buttons, the added buttons appear twice, side by side.

> By renaming the normal template Word will create a new one and you can use
> the organizer to copy custom toolbars etc from the renamed files to it. If
> you want toolbars and macros to be provided by an add-in then copy them to
> the add-in and delete them from normal.dot.
>
> --
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
> Graham Mayor -  Word MVP
>
> My web sitewww.gmayor.com
> Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
>
>
>
> grammatim wrote:
> > This is directly contrary to the advice from Jay Freedman, which gave
> > me exactly what I needed -- my old customized toolbars available in
> > Word2003 under Vista.
>
> > If I rename etc., won't Word create a new normal.dot with the default
> > toolbars?
>
> > On Dec 30, 1:43 am, "Graham Mayor" <gma...[ at ]REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote:
> >> Normal.dot does not go in your startup folder, but in the user
> >> templates folder.
> >> Move any normal.dot from the Word and Office startup folders to a
> >> neutral location and rename the one in the user template folder to
> >> normal.old.
> >> Seehttp://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htmthenhttp://word....
>
> >> --
> >> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
> >> Graham Mayor - Word MVP
>
> >> My web sitewww.gmayor.com
> >> Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org
> >> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
>
> >> grammatim wrote:
> >>> I hadn't opened 2003 in a while, but then when I did, all the
> >>> buttons I had added to the various toolbars were duplicated! I
> >>> thought it might be because I had copies of normal.dot in the two
> >>> different Startup folders (from back when I couldn't find my
> >>> customized toolbars), so I zapped one of them, but I still get the
> >>> duplicated buttons.
>
> >>> On Dec 29, 9:18 am, Stefan Blom <no.s...[ at ]please.xyz> wrote:
> >>>> Could the toolbars have been duplicated in the templates
> >>>> themselves? Or could the toolbars have been saved to both Normal
> >>>> and the custom templates? To troubleshoot this, you may want to
> >>>> move all templates out of the Startup folder. Then look at each
> >>>> template in turn (by opening it as an ordinary file). See what
> >>>> happens.
>
> >>>> Also, if you are using *code* to create the toolbars, make sure
> >>>> that the code doesn't add toolbars (and/or toolbar controls)
> >>>> repeatedly.
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Stefan Blom
> >>>> Microsoft Word MVP
>
> >>>> "IVP" wrote:
> >>>>> I am working with a Terminal 2003 server.
> >>>>> Running:
> >>>>> Citrix Presentation Server
> >>>>> Office 2003
> >>>>> I found something strange with WORD and have not been able
> >>>>> resolve. What is happening: all our company startup templates are
> >>>>> loading twice. Meaning there are duplicates of all of our custom
> >>>>> menus and tool bars when MS WORD starts up.
>
> >>>>> I removed the templates, loaded a fresh normal, and they disappear
> >>>>> and ran a word repair. Copied good known copies of the templates,
> >>>>> and duplicates still appear.
>
> >>>>> However, the minute I add just ONE (any one of the custom)
> >>>>> template, back to the startup menu, it gets duplicated.
>
> >>>>> Any thoughts on what could be causing this considering the
> >>>>> environment I am working in?-- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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