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This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again.
Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around 2:15pmish EST System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram.
Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some light on this I hope!
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0 Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1 Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0 Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0
All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for 1.1
I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps?? I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw 3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x
Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes question that. I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields the same. Initializing installation... done!
Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done!
Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)...
I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do?
Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go uninstalling the stuff...
Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas...
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"Dallas Overturf" <dallas.overturf[ at ]verizon.net> wrote in message news:pxVki.9234$ZO4.8151[ at ]trndny05...
[Quoted Text] > This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET > The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. > Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again. > > Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates > manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date > with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around > 2:15pmish EST > System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor > is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram. > > Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some > light on this I hope! > > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0 > > All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for > 1.1 > > I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps?? > I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw > 3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x > > Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm > on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so > I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes > question that. > I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields > the same. > Initializing installation... done! > > Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 > Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done! > > Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 > Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)... > > I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do? > > Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go > uninstalling the stuff... > > > Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas... > > > -- > Home Page: www.geocities.com/d_overturf/index.html > Newsgroups to reply to me me via email, please fix the email address > dallas.overturfNOSPAM[ at ]verizon.net > REMOVE NOSPAM from the reply address. >
Sorry I'm not a MVP, but I'll make a suggestion anyway - have you restarted the computer since installing the updates? You haven't said you have in your post.
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"Dallas Overturf" <dallas.overturf[ at ]verizon.net> wrote in message news:pxVki.9234$ZO4.8151[ at ]trndny05...
[Quoted Text] > This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET > The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. > Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again. > > Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates > manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date > with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around > 2:15pmish EST > System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor > is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram. > > Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some > light on this I hope! > > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0 > > All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for > 1.1 > > I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps?? > I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw > 3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x > > Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm > on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so > I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes > question that. > I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields > the same. > Initializing installation... done! > > Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 > Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done! > > Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 > Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)... > > I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do? > > Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go > uninstalling the stuff... > > > Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas... > >
I am not an MVP either, but the answer to your question is no. It seems that the various versions of the .NET framework offer different features, and one does not supercede any of the previous ones.
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Thank you Jim and Maincat: for your replies; hopefully one of the MVPs out there will have run into this and have further data on it. The machine has been rebooted several times (I always reboot after an install to verify things seem stable) and from what was said; I will not uninstall any of the .NET versions. I will note that even on shutdown it has said it was installing on at least two ocaisions and I saw no error then either; but when it comes back up; the yellow/gold update shield will come back and it's for the same updates again.
Thanks for the replies! Regards to all, Dallas...
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"Jim" <j.n[ at ]nospam.com> wrote in message news:7G7li.19903$2v1.1805[ at ]newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
[Quoted Text] > > "Dallas Overturf" <dallas.overturf[ at ]verizon.net> wrote in message > news:pxVki.9234$ZO4.8151[ at ]trndny05... >> This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET >> The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. >> Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again. >> >> Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates >> manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date >> with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around >> 2:15pmish EST >> System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. >> Processor is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram. >> >> Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some >> light on this I hope! >> >> Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0 >> Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1 >> Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0 >> Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0 >> >> All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for >> 1.1 >> >> I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps?? >> I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I >> saw 3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x >> >> Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x >> I'm on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so >> I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes >> question that. >> I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update >> yields the same. >> Initializing installation... done! >> >> Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 >> Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done! >> >> Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 >> Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)... >> >> I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to >> do? >> >> Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go >> uninstalling the stuff... >> >> >> Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas... >> >> > I am not an MVP either, but the answer to your question is no. It seems > that the various versions of the .NET framework offer different features, > and > one does not supercede any of the previous ones. > > Jim >> -- >> Home Page: www.geocities.com/d_overturf/index.html >> Newsgroups to reply to me me via email, please fix the email address >> dallas.overturfNOSPAM[ at ]verizon.net >> REMOVE NOSPAM from the reply address. >> >> ---------- >> >> > >
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Also regarding this here is the update history: All updates in my history have a green check mark in the status column. Followed By MBSA output.
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Root Certificates Update Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update Windows XP Update for .NET Framework 3.0: x86 (KB932471) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Below is the output of MBSA 2.0.1: I've run the downloads it points me at and same problem occurs. Perhaps the updates from auto update are not being cleared out?? MS07-040 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Critical MS07-040 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Critical
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"Dallas Overturf" <dallas.overturf[ at ]verizon.net> wrote in message news:pxVki.9234$ZO4.8151[ at ]trndny05...
[Quoted Text] > This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET > The > update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. > Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again. > > Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates > manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date > with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around > 2:15pmish EST > System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor > is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram. > > Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some > light > on this I hope! > > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0 > Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0 > > All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for > 1.1 > > I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps?? > I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw > 3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x > > Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm > on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so > I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes > question that. > I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields > the same. > Initializing installation... done! > > Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 > Service > Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done! > > Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 > Service > Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)... > > I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do? > > Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go > uninstalling > the stuff... > > > Thank > you very much! Regards, Dallas... > > > -- > Home Page: www.geocities.com/d_overturf/index.html > Newsgroups to reply to me me via email, please fix the email address > dallas.overturfNOSPAM[ at ]verizon.net > REMOVE NOSPAM from the reply address. > > ---------- > >
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"Dallas Overturf" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET The > update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. > Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again. > > > ----------
"EyeNoZero" wrote:
> This update failed 5 times. I feel like a bad day is coming. Maybe not > tomorrow..but soon. Total reformat over a weekend.
As I painfully learned today, this is a common problem. Free Microsoft security support has been swamped with phone calls at 866-727-2338. Fortunately they're being very nice about it and walk you through the steps to overcome the installation problems for the ,Net 1.1 and .Net 2.0 security updates issued July 10, 2007. The bizarre nature of this is that tech support told me that these updates work fine if you do not already have .net framework 1.1 or .net framework 2.0 installed -- heck, why would you update them if you don't have them already installed? Such is the joy of dealing with tech support overseas at 2 a.m. their time.
Also you need to keep the 3 versions of .net framework on your computer (1.1, 2.0, and 3.0) -- they are not cumulative. Different applications require different versions of .net framework to function.
I'll try to repeat their step by step instructions so you don't have to call. It worked fine on my Windows XP Pro, SP2 computer; it did not work on my wife' similar computer.
Read through them first before you do anything -- especially the caution at the end.
The steps from Microsoft Security Tech Support and from Aaron Stebner's Weblog at upnet.notlong.com -- Microsoft Tech Support actually took me there first.
(1) Try to perform a standard uninstall of the .net framework for which you could not install the July 10 security update. Of course, you do this in the Control Panel's Add-Remove Programs.
(2) If this fails to completely remove the .net framework you've targeted, then you'll want to download the tool from Stebner's Weblog -- this is the tool that Microsoft Tech Support uses and recommends. The file name is dotnetfx_cleanup_tool.zip . Unzip the file and run it. You will get to choose which versions (1.0, 1.1, 2.0) of .net framework you want to uninstall and clean up. While Mr. Stebner warns against simply uninstalling the .net frameworks, Microsoft Tech Support had me run this tool without first attempting the standard uninstall. On my computer this worked just fine.
Stebner warns: There are a couple of very important caveats that you should read before using this tool to cleanup .NET Framework bits on your machine: 1. You should try to perform a standard uninstall first. This tool is not designed as a replacement for uninstall, but rather as a last resort for cases where uninstall or repair did not succeed for unusual reasons. 2. This cleanup tool will delete shared files and registry keys used by other versions of the .NET Framework. So if you use it, be prepared to repair or reinstall any other versions of the .NET Framework that are on your computer to get them to work correctly afterwards
Download the tool completely uninstall .net frameworks 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0.
(3) Reboot your computer after uninstalling/cleaning up the .net frameworks you want to remove. NOte that when you restart your computer, any application that is dependent on a .net framework version that you uninstalled will not work. Be patient -- they'll work once you've reinstalled the appropriate .net framework(s).
(4) Run Windows Update - custom. It should show all of the .net frameworks not currently installed on your computer. Now you have probably not worried about .net framework 3.0 since there was no security update for it. But there is a regular update for it. You will probably find these .net frameworks under "High Priority," but more likely under "Software, Optional." You can download ALL of the .net frameworks and updates that are visible to you here -- 1.1, 2.0, 3.0.
(5) After they've installed, reboot your computer.
(6) Now, the .net framework 1.1 that you just installed includes the latest security update (Microsoft made this change today, July 12, 2007). You should NOT try to install that update. So you should go back to Microsoft Update, choose custom, and if it shows the .net framework 1.1 security pack update tell Microsoft Update not to show it any more. Apparently Microsoft Update thinks you didn't install it because it was built into the 1.1 that you just installed.
(7) If you uninstalled .net framework 2.0, you should have been able to reinstall it via Microsoft update. If it did not show up in Microsoft update, you can track it down online via a search engine or at Microsoft.com and download it and install it manually.
CAUTION. Frankly, you would be most prudent to clone your hard drive before running these updates -- just to give yourself some protection. On my wife's Windows XP Pro, SP2 computer, the .net framework 1.1 reinstall did not take and I could not install it because I started getting Runtime errors from the Microsoft Visual C++ RunTime Library. So I had to revert to a clone after copying all the data (the D partition) to the clone's D partition.
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Thank you Daniel: I could not uninstall any .NET installation (missing network resource or some such...) so used that clean tool and had it take out all versions of .NET. Then reboot and re-install them via windows update.
All seems well again here, thanks! Much appreciated, Dallas...
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"Daniel_L" <DanielL[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E67FF54C-0329-4FE0-9BA4-5F61F21C7E40[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > > > "Dallas Overturf" wrote: > >> This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET >> The >> update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing. >> Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again. >> >> >> ---------- > > "EyeNoZero" wrote: > >> This update failed 5 times. I feel like a bad day is coming. Maybe not >> tomorrow..but soon. Total reformat over a weekend. > > As I painfully learned today, this is a common problem. Free Microsoft > security support has been swamped with phone calls at 866-727-2338. > Fortunately they're being very nice about it and walk you through the > steps > to overcome the installation problems for the ,Net 1.1 and .Net 2.0 > security > updates issued July 10, 2007. The bizarre nature of this is that tech > support told me that these updates work fine if you do not already have > .net > framework 1.1 or .net framework 2.0 installed -- heck, why would you > update > them if you don't have them already installed? Such is the joy of dealing > with tech support overseas at 2 a.m. their time. > > Also you need to keep the 3 versions of .net framework on your computer > (1.1, 2.0, and 3.0) -- they are not cumulative. Different applications > require different versions of .net framework to function. > > I'll try to repeat their step by step instructions so you don't have to > call. It worked fine on my Windows XP Pro, SP2 computer; it did not work > on > my wife' similar computer. > > Read through them first before you do anything -- especially the caution > at > the end. > > The steps from Microsoft Security Tech Support and from Aaron Stebner's > Weblog at upnet.notlong.com -- Microsoft Tech Support actually took me > there > first. > > (1) Try to perform a standard uninstall of the .net framework for which > you > could not install the July 10 security update. Of course, you do this in > the > Control Panel's Add-Remove Programs. > > (2) If this fails to completely remove the .net framework you've targeted, > then you'll want to download the tool from Stebner's Weblog -- this is the > tool that Microsoft Tech Support uses and recommends. The file name is > dotnetfx_cleanup_tool.zip . Unzip the file and run it. You will get to > choose > which versions (1.0, 1.1, 2.0) of .net framework you want to uninstall and > clean up. While Mr. Stebner warns against simply uninstalling the .net > frameworks, Microsoft Tech Support had me run this tool without first > attempting the standard uninstall. On my computer this worked just fine. > > Stebner warns: > There are a couple of very important caveats that you should read before > using this tool to cleanup .NET Framework bits on your machine: > 1. You should try to perform a standard uninstall first. This tool is not > designed as a replacement for uninstall, but rather as a last resort for > cases where uninstall or repair did not succeed for unusual reasons. > 2. This cleanup tool will delete shared files and registry keys used by > other versions of the .NET Framework. So if you use it, be prepared to > repair > or reinstall any other versions of the .NET Framework that are on your > computer to get them to work correctly afterwards > > Download the tool completely uninstall .net frameworks 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0. > > (3) Reboot your computer after uninstalling/cleaning up the .net > frameworks > you want to remove. NOte that when you restart your computer, any > application > that is dependent on a .net framework version that you uninstalled will > not > work. Be patient -- they'll work once you've reinstalled the appropriate > .net > framework(s). > > (4) Run Windows Update - custom. It should show all of the .net frameworks > not currently installed on your computer. Now you have probably not > worried > about .net framework 3.0 since there was no security update for it. But > there > is a regular update for it. You will probably find these .net frameworks > under "High Priority," but more likely under "Software, Optional." You can > download ALL of the .net frameworks and updates that are visible to you > here > -- 1.1, 2.0, 3.0. > > (5) After they've installed, reboot your computer. > > (6) Now, the .net framework 1.1 that you just installed includes the > latest > security update (Microsoft made this change today, July 12, 2007). You > should > NOT try to install that update. So you should go back to Microsoft Update, > choose custom, and if it shows the .net framework 1.1 security pack update > tell Microsoft Update not to show it any more. Apparently Microsoft Update > thinks you didn't install it because it was built into the 1.1 that you > just > installed. > > (7) If you uninstalled .net framework 2.0, you should have been able to > reinstall it via Microsoft update. If it did not show up in Microsoft > update, > you can track it down online via a search engine or at Microsoft.com and > download it and install it manually. > > CAUTION. Frankly, you would be most prudent to clone your hard drive > before > running these updates -- just to give yourself some protection. On my > wife's > Windows XP Pro, SP2 computer, the .net framework 1.1 reinstall did not > take > and I could not install it because I started getting Runtime errors from > the > Microsoft Visual C++ RunTime Library. So I had to revert to a clone after > copying all the data (the D partition) to the clone's D partition. > >
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