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Hi!
Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and DOS
programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
disks provided by DELL.
Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
conversion to NTFS
G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
appreciated.
Many thanks!
XP Newbie
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No need to cross post to H_&_S, but Win98 isn't going to like being
parked on the Second fat partition.
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi!
>
> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
> Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
> was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
> expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
> for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>
> I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
> FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and DOS
> programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>
> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
> disks provided by DELL.
>
> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>
> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>
> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
>
> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
> appreciated.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> XP Newbie
>
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Bob I wrote:
[Quoted Text] > No need to cross post to H_&_S, but Win98 isn't going to like being
> parked on the Second fat partition.
That's not much help; why not? Where should it be?
Pop`
>
> XP Newbie wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with
>> Windows XP Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn
>> Windows 98SE user and was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and
>> refuse to go Vista. Someday, I expect to upgrade to Media Center
>> 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available for my budget at Dell's
>> Outlet. I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that
>> will
>> require FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE
>> system and DOS programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>>
>> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch
>> and re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities,
>> and other disks provided by DELL.
>>
>> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>>
>> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based
>> Applications D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>>
>> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>>
>> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
>> future conversion to NTFS
>>
>> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>>
>> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from
>> Internet I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
>> anything Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and
>> sincerely appreciated.
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> XP Newbie
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If you want my honest opinion I think that you will have an
overcomplicated mess of partitions!
Secondly, there is no guarantee that you will even be able to install
Windows 98 on the new computer. It is getting increasingly more
difficult to get Windows 98 to work on new hardware and I expect that
you will run into difficulties trying to install it on the new hardware.
Thirdly, if you can even get Windows 98 to install on the new hardware,
it may not like it too much being installed at the proposed location.
You will have to use a third party boot manager to get it to install
back there, you will have to change the Active Partition for it to
install and you may have to hide the other partitions to do the
installation. *IF* it installs you will then have to do a bit of work
and trickery to get the XP and W98 installations to coexist together or
you will have to rely on the third party boot manager.
Due to the constraints mentioned above, increasingly, and especially on
newer hardware, the recommended way around problems like yours is to at
least attempt to install and run the applications on Windows XP and if
they absolutely cannot run then the increasingly preferred method is to
run Windows 98 in a Virtual Machine (Virtual PC) inside of Windows XP.
John
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi!
>
> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
> Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
> was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
> expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
> for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>
> I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
> FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and DOS
> programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>
> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
> disks provided by DELL.
>
> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>
> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>
> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
>
> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
> appreciated.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> XP Newbie
>
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f'ups for this part of this thread set to .general.
See inline:
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi!
>
> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with
> Windows XP Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn
> Windows 98SE user and was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and
> refuse to go Vista. Someday, I expect to upgrade to Media Center
> 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available for my budget at Dell's
> Outlet.
Don't fret the diffs between Home and Pro too much; you're not likely to see
any diffs unless you network.
>
> I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will
> require FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE
> system and DOS programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>
> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and
> other disks provided by DELL.
So far do-able, but not with XP's native install. Check me out, but I think
you're limited to a total of 4 partitions using XP's native applications.
To go beyond that, you'd need a 3rd party app like Partition Magic or
similar.
If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will step in and correct me; I no longer
use XP's partitioning abilities so I could be in error.
IMO you don't have to though, and also IMO you have too many partitions
planned to keep track of and manage easily. But remember, this is MY
opinion; you're entitled to yours.
>
> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
Should suffice nicely. If it's only going to be for XP system files, you
could drop it down to 40 Gig and still have plenty of breathing room left
for a long time.
>
> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
I assume you mean data files here. OK.
For easy backup and management, it would make sense to move My Documents
folder to here and build your file structure under it. NOTE: My Documents
is a system folder and cannot be simply copied to another location; you have
to use Properties; Move to relocate it.
>
> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
Disagree; no need for a separate drive for that; simply create a Downloads
folder inside your newly located My Documents folder over on D.
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
> future conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from
> Internet
Not sure I'd do that. The only time having a swap file on a different drive
really helps is if it's on a different PHYSICAL DRIVE.
>
> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
> anything
>
> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and
> sincerely appreciated.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> XP Newbie
It sounds like you've done some research, and that's great. You should do a
little more research, though, and keep asking questions once you get
started. I can almost guarantee you're going to run into some good headaches
<g>.
In particular, read up on multi-boot systems and the sequence that they
have to be installed in. It definitely matters.
I could be wrong, but I -think- AutoCad can be installed on an XP machine;
possibly using what's called "compatability mode". Do NOT take my word for
it though: Ask the folks at ACad whether that version will run. It might
be as simple as a few new drivers or already capable.
There will be a learning curve for you in going to XP. One of the things
that will help you a lot will be to go into "Classic" mode displays when you
get it set up and running; it will be less confusing and more efficient. It
installs defaulted for dummies, sort of.
I think if it were me doing this (and it's not), I would have 5 partitions:
100 Gig:
1. win98 System FAT32 20 Gig
2. win98 Data FAT32 80 Gig
200 Gig:
3. XP System NTFS 40 Gig
4. XP Data NTFS. 160 Gig
No idea what displayable space you'll get with a 320 Gig drive; probably
about 300 though.
Make good use of Folders and folder names. XP has a My Documents folder
that most programs will default to when doing Opens and Saves. It's a handy
place to put your complete data structure under. Then all data, even email
etc. gets backed up by backing up one folder: My Documents.
Another point to keep in mind: XP can change FAT to NTFS easily enough
wihtout losing data but not the other way around.
And of course get a GOOD backup strategy figured out and implemented; you
WILL need it! External drives are the best way to go. Don't keep backups
on the computer's internal drives; too easy to lose everything all at once
(lightning, power surges, virus, worm, trojan, etc).
And I assume you know about AV software, firewall and multiple spyware
detectors. If not, do some more research; you need all three.
Best luck,
Pop`
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Hi,
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi!
>
> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
> Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
> was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
> expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
> for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>
> I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
> FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and DOS
> programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
Have you considered using MS Virtual PC 2007?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
This way you can create virtual hard drives within XP and run 98 inside XP.
If XP shipped with Norton AV or McAfee, remove them ASAP!
Here are two good AV applications. One pay for and the other free.
NOD32 Antivirus Software for Windows from ESET
http://www.eset.com/products/windows.php
Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition Download
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
> disks provided by DELL.
You will want to make sure Dell shipped an XP install disk before starting!
Do you have a plan on how you're going to boot between XP and 98? If not, I
have a couple of suggestions.
> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
80GB's may be a bit large. The base install of XP is less then 5GB's with
all 70+ post SP2 updates. This would not include any Dell utilities installed.
> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>
> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>
> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
>
> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
> appreciated.
>
> Many thanks!
> XP Newbie
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
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Windows 98 wants to live on "C", it's "DOS based boot system" will label
the first FAT drive partition it sees "C".
Poprivet wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Bob I wrote:
>
>>No need to cross post to H_&_S, but Win98 isn't going to like being
>>parked on the Second fat partition.
>
>
> That's not much help; why not? Where should it be?
>
> Pop`
>
>
>
>>XP Newbie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with
>>>Windows XP Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn
>>>Windows 98SE user and was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and
>>>refuse to go Vista. Someday, I expect to upgrade to Media Center
>>>2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available for my budget at Dell's
>>>Outlet. I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that
>>>will
>>>require FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE
>>>system and DOS programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>>>
>>>My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch
>>>and re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities,
>>>and other disks provided by DELL.
>>>
>>>Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>>>
>>>C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based
>>>Applications D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>>>
>>>E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>>>
>>>F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
>>>future conversion to NTFS
>>>
>>>G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>>>
>>>H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from
>>>Internet I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
>>>anything Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and
>>>sincerely appreciated.
>>>
>>>Many thanks!
>>>
>>>XP Newbie
>
>
>
>
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Thank you for your reply, Bert.
[Quoted Text] XP.
First, it appears that your suggestion for MS Virtual PC 2007 will not work
for me. As noted in my initial post, the new PC O/S is Windows XP Home
Edition, not XP Pro.
According to MS . . .
Physical Computer and Host Operating System Requirements
Following are the minimum system requirements for the physical computer and
the host operating system:
- Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise,
Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition, Windows Server
2003 Standard x64 Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC
Edition
> If XP shipped with Norton AV or McAfee, remove them ASAP!
It is not, but I did purchase NSW Standard Edition and had planned on
installing NAV. I do not allow it to run in the background or check my
email (since my ISP does this).
May I ask why you are so BIASED against NAV with XP Home Edition?
> Here are two good AV applications. One pay for and the other free.
>
> NOD32 Antivirus Software for Windows from ESET
> http://www.eset.com/products/windows.php
>
> Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition Download
> http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
Have never tried a free AV program. Why are these products superior to NAV?
> You will want to make sure Dell shipped an XP install disk before
starting!
It is supposed to, but I will verify before starting.
> Do you have a plan on how you're going to boot between XP and 98? If not,
I
> have a couple of suggestions.
Well, again, I have no experience with XP and (initially) I thought about
using the FDD to boot to 98SE, or to boot to the FAT32 DOS partition to run
AutoCAD. Maybe not, eh?
Again, I am not familiar with XP, nor the BIOS in DELL's E520 PC, but I
thought I may be able to set the boot drive within BIOS. Maybe not, eh?
After submitting this post, my existing Windows 98SE HDD is partitioned to
C:\ and D:\ drives. I thought that I might avoid problems with programs
referencing drive C:\ if I loaded Windows 98SE on C:\ and revised my
partitions as follows . . .
C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
D:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
E:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
conversion to NTFS
G:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
H:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files / potential future Vista Home Premium,
multi-boot
I:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
Thanks again for your reply and suggestions. I am looking forward to your
next thoughts and recommendations.
Best regards,
JJBlaine
"Bert Kinney" <bert[ at ]NSmvps.org> wrote in message
news:uPke1hEqHHA.3948[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>
> > My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> > re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
> > disks provided by DELL.
>
>
>
> > Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
> >
> > C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> 80GB's may be a bit large. The base install of XP is less then 5GB's with
> all 70+ post SP2 updates. This would not include any Dell utilities
installed.
>
> > D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
> >
> > E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
> >
> > F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> > conversion to NTFS
> >
> > G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
> >
> > H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
> >
> > I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
anything
> >
> > Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Many thanks!
> > XP Newbie
>
>
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://bertk.mvps.org
> Member: http://dts-l.org
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Sorry. I'm new to the XP group and saw another post do the same groups at
the same time.
JJB
"Bob I" <birelan[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eQaKO4DqHHA.596[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > No need to cross post to H_&_S, but Win98 isn't going to like being
> parked on the Second fat partition.
>
> XP Newbie wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows
XP
> > Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user
and
> > was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista.
Someday, I
> > expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were
available
> > for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
> >
> > I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will
require
> > FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and
DOS
> > programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
> >
> > My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> > re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
> > disks provided by DELL.
> >
> > Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
> >
> > C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
> >
> > D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
> >
> > E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
> >
> > F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> > conversion to NTFS
> >
> > G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
> >
> > H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
> >
> > I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
anything
> >
> > Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > XP Newbie
> >
>
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After submitting this post, my existing Windows 98SE HDD is partitioned to
C:\ and D:\ drives. I thought that I might avoid problems with programs
referencing drive C:\ if I loaded Windows 98SE on C:\ and revised my
partitions as follows . . .
C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
D:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
E:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
conversion to NTFS
G:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
H:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files / potential future Vista Home Premium,
multi-boot
I:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
I have no experience with XP and (initially) I thought about using the FDD
to boot to 98SE, or to boot to the FAT32 DOS partition to run AutoCAD.
Maybe not, eh?
Again, I am not familiar with XP, nor the BIOS in DELL's E520 PC (yet), but
I thought I may be able to set the boot drive within BIOS. Maybe not, eh?
Best regards,
JJBlaine
"Bob I" <birelan[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OE791sEqHHA.196[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > Windows 98 wants to live on "C", it's "DOS based boot system" will label
> the first FAT drive partition it sees "C".
>
> Poprivet wrote:
>
> > Bob I wrote:
> >
> >>No need to cross post to H_&_S, but Win98 isn't going to like being
> >>parked on the Second fat partition.
> >
> >
> > That's not much help; why not? Where should it be?
> >
> > Pop`
> >
> >
> >
> >>XP Newbie wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi!
> >>>
> >>>Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with
> >>>Windows XP Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn
> >>>Windows 98SE user and was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and
> >>>refuse to go Vista. Someday, I expect to upgrade to Media Center
> >>>2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available for my budget at Dell's
> >>>Outlet. I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that
> >>>will
> >>>require FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE
> >>>system and DOS programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
> >>>
> >>>My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch
> >>>and re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities,
> >>>and other disks provided by DELL.
> >>>
> >>>Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
> >>>
> >>>C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based
> >>>Applications D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
> >>>
> >>>E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
> >>>
> >>>F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
> >>>future conversion to NTFS
> >>>
> >>>G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
> >>>
> >>>H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from
> >>>Internet I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files /
potential
> >>>anything Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and
> >>>sincerely appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>Many thanks!
> >>>
> >>>XP Newbie
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Hi!
>
> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
> Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
> was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
> expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
> for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>
> I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
> FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and DOS
> programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>
> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
> disks provided by DELL.
>
> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>
> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>
> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
>
> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
> appreciated.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> XP Newbie
>
It's doable, only if your C: drive (the one housing WinXP) is
formatted using the FAT32 file system.
MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions:
Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed.
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm
Otherwise:
The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP
would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows:
C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps
D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps
Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s)
size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its
applications.
Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large
disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning
utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.)
Install Win9x/Me first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or
D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows
directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify
"D:\Winxp" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winxp" as referred/applicable) when
asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other
partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a
Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be
readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place
Win9x/Me on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as
FAT32.
This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by
placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either
of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the
second operating system on the second hard drive.
It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared
applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be
formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would
also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file
placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the
program files could be located on this common partition. I do not,
however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall
such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully
uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial
installation data during the first uninstall action.
Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap):
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp
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Thank you for your reply, John.
[Quoted Text] > If you want my honest opinion I think that you will have an
> overcomplicated mess of partitions!
Damn. I do not want to have to spend another $3500 for an XP version of
AutoCAD after spending $2500 back in 1991 for the version I have today - it
works flawlessly.
> Secondly, there is no guarantee that you will even be able to install
> Windows 98 on the new computer. It is getting increasingly more
> difficult to get Windows 98 to work on new hardware and I expect that
> you will run into difficulties trying to install it on the new hardware.
After submitting this post, my existing Windows 98SE HDD is partitioned to
C:\ and D:\ drives. I thought that I might avoid problems with programs
referencing drive C:\ if I loaded Windows 98SE on C:\ and revised my
partitions as follows . . .
C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
D:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
E:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
conversion to NTFS
G:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
H:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files / potential future Vista Home Premium,
multi-boot
I:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
> Thirdly, if you can even get Windows 98 to install on the new hardware,
> it may not like it too much being installed at the proposed location.
> You will have to use a third party boot manager to get it to install
> back there, you will have to change the Active Partition for it to
> install and you may have to hide the other partitions to do the
> installation. *IF* it installs you will then have to do a bit of work
> and trickery to get the XP and W98 installations to coexist together or
> you will have to rely on the third party boot manager.
I have no experience with any third party boot manager, but I have read
about the utility included with BootIT NG, Acronis Disk Director Suite 10.0
and one or two others.
At this time, I'm not familiar with XP, nor the BIOS in DELL's E520 PC, but
thought that I would be able to avoid a third party boot manager by setting
the boot drive within BIOS.
Or, using the FDD to boot to 98SE, or to boot to the FAT32 DOS partition to
run AutoCAD. Maybe not, eh?
> Due to the constraints mentioned above, increasingly, and especially on
> newer hardware, the recommended way around problems like yours is to at
> least attempt to install and run the applications on Windows XP and if
> they absolutely cannot run then the increasingly preferred method is to
> run Windows 98 in a Virtual Machine (Virtual PC) inside of Windows XP.
It appears that MS Virtual PC 2007 will not work for me. As noted in my
initial post, the new PC O/S is Windows XP Home Edition, not XP Pro.
According to MS . . .
Physical Computer and Host Operating System Requirements
Following are the minimum system requirements for the physical computer and
the host operating system:
- Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise,
Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition, Windows Server
2003 Standard x64 Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC
Edition
Thanks again for your thoughts, John. I am looking forward to any other
recommendations you may have.
Best regards,
JJBlaine
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Not a problem, Help and Support group is for people having trouble
making Windows "Help and Support" feature work. :-)
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Sorry. I'm new to the XP group and saw another post do the same groups at
> the same time.
>
> JJB
>
> "Bob I" <birelan[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eQaKO4DqHHA.596[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>No need to cross post to H_&_S, but Win98 isn't going to like being
>>parked on the Second fat partition.
>>
>>XP Newbie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows
>
> XP
>
>>>Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user
>
> and
>
>>>was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista.
>
> Someday, I
>
>>>expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were
>
> available
>
>>>for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>>>
>>>I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will
>
> require
>
>>>FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and
>
> DOS
>
>>>programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>>>
>>>My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
>>>re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
>>>disks provided by DELL.
>>>
>>>Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>>>
>>>C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>>>
>>>D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>>>
>>>E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>>>
>>>F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
>>>conversion to NTFS
>>>
>>>G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>>>
>>>H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>>>
>>>I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
>
> anything
>
>>>Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
>>>appreciated.
>>>
>>>Many thanks!
>>>
>>>XP Newbie
>>>
>>
>
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"XP Newbie" <reply2newsgroup[ at ]please.thankyou> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your reply, Bert. > >> Have you considered using MS Virtual PC 2007? >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx>> >> This way you can create virtual hard drives within XP and run 98 inside > XP. > > First, it appears that your suggestion for MS Virtual PC 2007 will not > work > for me. As noted in my initial post, the new PC O/S is Windows XP Home > Edition, not XP Pro. >
Then try the free VMWare Server - it does exactly the same thing....
http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
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XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your reply, Bert. > >> Have you considered using MS Virtual PC 2007? >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx>> >> This way you can create virtual hard drives within XP and run 98 inside > XP. > > First, it appears that your suggestion for MS Virtual PC 2007 will not work > for me. As noted in my initial post, the new PC O/S is Windows XP Home > Edition, not XP Pro. > > According to MS . . . > > Physical Computer and Host Operating System Requirements > Following are the minimum system requirements for the physical computer and > the host operating system: > - Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise, > Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition, Windows Server > 2003 Standard x64 Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC > Edition >
If it works on WinXP Pro, it'll almost certainly work on WinXP Home,
even if it isn't supported. However, there are other virtual machines
applications available, some of them free. Personally, I use InnoTek's
VirtualBox, (http://virtualbox.org/) which is a lot more flexible, as
far as guest operating systems, than Microsoft's VirtualPC, and is free
for personal use.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:uF%235Z2EqHHA.3368[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > It's doable, only if your C: drive (the one housing WinXP) is > formatted using the FAT32 file system. > > MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions: > > Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed. > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm> > Otherwise: > > The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP > would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows: > > C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps > D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps >
And all this assumes that the new Dell the OP is getting comes with proper
XP CD and not a "recovery" CD.....
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Thank you for your comprehensive reply, Bruce.
I sincerely appreciate your the clear and consise manner in which you write.
Very nice!
Having replied to a few others before reading your post, it would appear my
revised thoughts were on a similar track to one of your suggestions. My
current PC is partitioned with C:\ and D:\ drives. I use D:\ for 98SE's
swap file (fixed), program files (including AutoCADD, and Internet
downloads.
Revised a second time (now), my current partition scheme looks like this
follows . . .
C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
D:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / program files / AutoCAD /
Internet downloads
E:\ [ at ] 120GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
F:\ [ at ] 120GB NTFS - XP files / Internet downloads / slack space
I have not taken a look at Doug Know website and instructions, but I will
shortly. Thank you for this reference.
This will likely sound foolish and expose me for the amateur I am, but I was
hoping to use a program like Laplink PC Mover to migrate my Windows 98SE C:\
and D:\ drives to the new PC without actually installing Windows 98SE from
scratch. I am guessing this cannot be accomplished as I once thought.
True?
Thanks again, Bruce, for taking the time to educate an XP Newbie!
Best regards,
JJBlaine
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:uF%235Z2EqHHA.3368[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > It's doable, only if your C: drive (the one housing WinXP) is > formatted using the FAT32 file system. > > MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions: > > Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed. > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm> > Otherwise: > > The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP > would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows: > > C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps > D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps > > Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s) > size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its > applications. > > Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large > disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning > utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.) > > Install Win9x/Me first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or > D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows > directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify > "D:\Winxp" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winxp" as referred/applicable) when > asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other > partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a > Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be > readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place > Win9x/Me on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as > FAT32. > > This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by > placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either > of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the > second operating system on the second hard drive. > > It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared > applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be > formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would > also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file > placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the > program files could be located on this common partition. I do not, > however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall > such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully > uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial > installation data during the first uninstall action. > > Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap): > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP> >
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
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>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
Russell
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Thank you, Gordon, I will look into it shortly.
Best regards,
JJBlaine
"Gordon" <gbplinux[ at ]gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
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Many thanks, again, Bruce.
I will look into VirtualBox shortly.
Best regards,
JJBlaine
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:uttbR7EqHHA.3952[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > > According to MS . . .
> >
> > Physical Computer and Host Operating System Requirements
> > Following are the minimum system requirements for the physical computer
and
> > the host operating system:
> > - Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista
Enterprise,
> > Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition, Windows
Server
> > 2003 Standard x64 Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet
PC
> > Edition
>
> If it works on WinXP Pro, it'll almost certainly work on WinXP Home,
> even if it isn't supported. However, there are other virtual machines
> applications available, some of them free. Personally, I use InnoTek's
> VirtualBox, (http://virtualbox.org/) which is a lot more flexible, as
> far as guest operating systems, than Microsoft's VirtualPC, and is free
> for personal use.
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
Russell
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[Quoted Text] > And all this assumes that the new Dell the OP is getting comes with
proper
> XP CD and not a "recovery" CD.....
Hmmm . . . damn, looks like I might be S.O.L. Will know more by 6PM CDT
when the DELL should arrive.
JJB
"Gordon" <gbplinux[ at ]gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:uKrdl8EqHHA.1776[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
> news:uF%235Z2EqHHA.3368[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >
> > It's doable, only if your C: drive (the one housing WinXP) is
> > formatted using the FAT32 file system.
> >
> > MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions:
> >
> > Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed.
> > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm
> >
> > Otherwise:
> >
> > The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP
> > would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows:
> >
> > C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps
> > D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps
> >
>
> And all this assumes that the new Dell the OP is getting comes with
proper
> XP CD and not a "recovery" CD.....
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"XP Newbie" <reply2newsgroup[ at ]please.thankyou> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >Hi!
>
>Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
>Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
>was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
>expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
>for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
>FAT32.
Are you really sure about that? Nearly all programs are totally
unaware of what file system is running. Programs make standard calls
(open, read, write, close), and the OS is responsible for calling the
appropriate file system drivers. The only applications I know of that
are file-system aware are things that work at a very low level:
defraggers, consistency checkers, things like that.
--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(DTS)
Slattery_T[ at ]bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
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On 6/6/2007 8:44 AM On a whim, XP Newbie pounded out on the keyboard
[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your comprehensive reply, Bruce. > > I sincerely appreciate your the clear and consise manner in which you write. > Very nice! > > Having replied to a few others before reading your post, it would appear my > revised thoughts were on a similar track to one of your suggestions. My > current PC is partitioned with C:\ and D:\ drives. I use D:\ for 98SE's > swap file (fixed), program files (including AutoCADD, and Internet > downloads. > > Revised a second time (now), my current partition scheme looks like this > follows . . . > > C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications > > D:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / program files / AutoCAD / > Internet downloads > > E:\ [ at ] 120GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications > > F:\ [ at ] 120GB NTFS - XP files / Internet downloads / slack space > > I have not taken a look at Doug Know website and instructions, but I will > shortly. Thank you for this reference. > > This will likely sound foolish and expose me for the amateur I am, but I was > hoping to use a program like Laplink PC Mover to migrate my Windows 98SE C:\ > and D:\ drives to the new PC without actually installing Windows 98SE from > scratch. I am guessing this cannot be accomplished as I once thought. > True? > > Thanks again, Bruce, for taking the time to educate an XP Newbie! > > Best regards, > > JJBlaine > > > "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers[ at ]cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message > news:uF%235Z2EqHHA.3368[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> It's doable, only if your C: drive (the one housing WinXP) is >> formatted using the FAT32 file system. >> >> MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions: >> >> Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed. >> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm>> >> Otherwise: >> >> The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP >> would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows: >> >> C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps >> D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps >> >> Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s) >> size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its >> applications. >> >> Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large >> disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning >> utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.) >> >> Install Win9x/Me first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or >> D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows >> directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify >> "D:\Winxp" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winxp" as referred/applicable) when >> asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other >> partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a >> Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be >> readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place >> Win9x/Me on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as >> FAT32. >> >> This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by >> placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either >> of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the >> second operating system on the second hard drive. >> >> It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared >> applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be >> formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would >> also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file >> placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the >> program files could be located on this common partition. I do not, >> however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall >> such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully >> uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial >> installation data during the first uninstall action. >> >> Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap): >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP>> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp>> Bruce Chambers >> >> Help us help you: >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>> >> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin >> >> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand > Russell >
Hi JJ,
Not to throw a wrench into your plan, but I have my system with Win98,
Me, W2K, XP, Linux. I use Partition Magic's boot manager, Boot Magic
(any boot manager will do), so all of my OS partitions when booted are
C: .
I have 3 hard drives and keep redundant copies of all partitions within
the 3 drives, so if one drive fails, I can easily replace it and copy
the partitions back into place within a short time.
My data is all on drive D: (fat32) which is accessible by all OS's. A
backup copy of data is a drive G: which is NTFS. All programs (that
will allow it) I installed to a drive E:. I point the program installs
from each OS to drive E: so the OS partitions can remain small (6 to 8
gig), and that way I only have to have one copy of each program
installed, rather than a copy on each OS partition (saves a lot of
space). I also have a video drive M: & N: is a copy of it (on another
drive).
The only caveat to installing a program once into multiple OS's, is that
if you decide to uninstall the program in any OS, you must *first* make
a copy of the program folders (say Quicken, you would make a copy called
Quicken1), uninstall the program in whatever OS, then rename the copy
folder to the original name again, so the other OS's still have access
to it.
My suggestion to you is to make sure you have a good backup plan.
Regardless of how many drives you've created, you still only have one
hard drive, and if it fails, everything goes. That's why I have
redundant copies shared between drives (not counting 2 external drive
backups that are updated monthly).
Hope everything goes smoothly,
--
Terry R.
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Hi,
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your reply, Bert. > >> Have you considered using MS Virtual PC 2007? >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx>> >> This way you can create virtual hard drives within XP and run 98 inside > XP. > > First, it appears that your suggestion for MS Virtual PC 2007 will not work > for me. As noted in my initial post, the new PC O/S is Windows XP Home > Edition, not XP Pro. > > According to MS . . . > > Physical Computer and Host Operating System Requirements > Following are the minimum system requirements for the physical computer and > the host operating system: > - Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise, > Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition, Windows Server > 2003 Standard x64 Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC > Edition
MS VPC will install and run on XP Home, it's just not a supported install by MS.
>> If XP shipped with Norton AV or McAfee, remove them ASAP!
>
> It is not, but I did purchase NSW Standard Edition and had planned on
> installing NAV. I do not allow it to run in the background or check my
> email (since my ISP does this).
>
> May I ask why you are so BIASED against NAV with XP Home Edition?
Sure can. Based on years of newsgroup support, they both have the worst
track record of any antivirus application out there. I would strongly
suggest *NOT* installing NSW on XP unless you want to bring the system to
it's knees!
Start a new thread on this subject and be prepared to be inundated with
negative against Norton products. Please don't don't cross post this time!
Norton will also cause System Restore to fail.
"Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored . . . "
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html
>> Here are two good AV applications. One pay for and the other free.
>>
>> NOD32 Antivirus Software for Windows from ESET
>> http://www.eset.com/products/windows.php
>>
>> Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition Download
>> http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
>
> Have never tried a free AV program.
Yes, I have installed Avast on several systems and it works great.
> Why are these products superior to NAV?
Because they do what there designed to do, prevent virus infection. NAV /
NSW on the other hand digs it's way into the system and does things it has
no business doing. Then try to remove it...
>> You will want to make sure Dell shipped an XP install disk before
> starting!
>
> It is supposed to, but I will verify before starting.
Good
>> Do you have a plan on how you're going to boot between XP and 98? If not,
> I
>> have a couple of suggestions.
>
> Well, again, I have no experience with XP and (initially) I thought about
> using the FDD to boot to 98SE, or to boot to the FAT32 DOS partition to run
> AutoCAD. Maybe not, eh?
One way would be to remove XP.
Wipe the NTFS partition.
Create a 40GB fat32 partition and install 98
Then upgrade to XP (providing the XP CD will allow it) and in the process
create a 80GB NTSF partition to install XP to. The leftover space can be
partitioned and formated from within XP.
Another option would be to use a 3ed party boot manager such as Bootit NG
(BING).
BootIt Next Generation
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
> Again, I am not familiar with XP, nor the BIOS in DELL's E520 PC, but I
> thought I may be able to set the boot drive within BIOS. Maybe not, eh?
I am not sure about that. You may want to check with Dell on that.
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board?board.id=sw_winxp
> After submitting this post, my existing Windows 98SE HDD is partitioned to
> C:\ and D:\ drives. I thought that I might avoid problems with programs
> referencing drive C:\ if I loaded Windows 98SE on C:\ and revised my
> partitions as follows . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>
> E:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files / potential future Vista Home Premium,
> multi-boot
>
> I:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>
> Thanks again for your reply and suggestions. I am looking forward to your
> next thoughts and recommendations.
>
> Best regards,
> > JJBlaine
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
> "Bert Kinney" wrote
>
>>
>>> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
>>> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
>>> disks provided by DELL.
>>
>>
>>> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>>>
>>> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>> 80GB's may be a bit large. The base install of XP is less then 5GB's with
>> all 70+ post SP2 updates. This would not include any Dell utilities
> installed.
>>> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>>>
>>> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>>>
>>> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
>>> conversion to NTFS
>>>
>>> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>>>
>>> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>>>
>>> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
> anything
>>> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>> XP Newbie
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>> Member: http://dts-l.org
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Hi,
XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your comprehensive reply, Bruce.
>
> I sincerely appreciate your the clear and consise manner in which you write.
> Very nice!
>
> Having replied to a few others before reading your post, it would appear my
> revised thoughts were on a similar track to one of your suggestions. My
> current PC is partitioned with C:\ and D:\ drives. I use D:\ for 98SE's
> swap file (fixed), program files (including AutoCADD, and Internet
> downloads.
>
> Revised a second time (now), my current partition scheme looks like this
> follows . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / program files / AutoCAD /
> Internet downloads
>
> E:\ [ at ] 120GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> F:\ [ at ] 120GB NTFS - XP files / Internet downloads / slack space
>
> I have not taken a look at Doug Know website and instructions, but I will
> shortly. Thank you for this reference.
>
> This will likely sound foolish and expose me for the amateur I am, but I was
> hoping to use a program like Laplink PC Mover to migrate my Windows 98SE C:\
> and D:\ drives to the new PC without actually installing Windows 98SE from
> scratch. I am guessing this cannot be accomplished as I once thought.
> True?
There a very good chance that will not work. You will have to install 98
clean. And there's no guarantee it will install on the new hardware.
> Thanks again, Bruce, for taking the time to educate an XP Newbie!
>
> Best regards,
>
> JJBlaine
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
>
> "Bruce Chambers" wrote
>
>> It's doable, only if your C: drive (the one housing WinXP) is
>> formatted using the FAT32 file system.
>>
>> MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions:
>>
>> Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed.
>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm
>>
>> Otherwise:
>>
>> The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP
>> would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows:
>>
>> C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps
>> D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps
>>
>> Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s)
>> size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its
>> applications.
>>
>> Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large
>> disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning
>> utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.)
>>
>> Install Win9x/Me first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or
>> D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows
>> directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify
>> "D:\Winxp" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winxp" as referred/applicable) when
>> asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other
>> partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a
>> Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be
>> readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place
>> Win9x/Me on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as
>> FAT32.
>>
>> This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by
>> placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either
>> of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the
>> second operating system on the second hard drive.
>>
>> It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared
>> applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be
>> formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would
>> also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file
>> placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the
>> program files could be located on this common partition. I do not,
>> however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall
>> such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully
>> uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial
>> installation data during the first uninstall action.
>>
>> Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap):
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP
>>
>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
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>>
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>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>>
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XP Newbie wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Thank you for your reply, John.
>
>
>>If you want my honest opinion I think that you will have an
>>overcomplicated mess of partitions!
>
>
>
> Damn. I do not want to have to spend another $3500 for an XP version of
> AutoCAD after spending $2500 back in 1991 for the version I have today - it
> works flawlessly.
*** I know what you mean! The software vendors are just laughing all
the way to the bank everytime a new Windows version comes out! We have
Visi Cad/Cam software on Windows 2000 here and it will be on Windows
2000 for a very long time!
>>Secondly, there is no guarantee that you will even be able to install
>>Windows 98 on the new computer. It is getting increasingly more
>>difficult to get Windows 98 to work on new hardware and I expect that
>>you will run into difficulties trying to install it on the new hardware.
>
>
>
> After submitting this post, my existing Windows 98SE HDD is partitioned to
> C:\ and D:\ drives. I thought that I might avoid problems with programs
> referencing drive C:\ if I loaded Windows 98SE on C:\ and revised my
> partitions as follows . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
>
> E:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
> conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files / potential future Vista Home Premium,
> multi-boot
>
> I:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
*** You can still install Windows 98 *after* Windows XP and you can
install Windows 98 *even* if the XP partition is NTFS. You can install
it on the same disk or you can install it on a second disk, either way
it isn't that hard. http://thpc.info/dual/dual9xonntfs.html The
question that remains is "Will Windows 98 support the new hardware?",
and as someone else mentioned, you need a real Windows XP CD to properly
set this up. Unless you specifically asked for a real Windows CD from
Dell you will only get one of those next to useless Restoration CD's.
Those CD's are very good if you want to wipe and reinstall but that is
all that they can do! Also be warned that some of those Restoration
CD's may not only wipe and reinstall XP they might completely undo your
partitions and completely wipe everything on the hard disk! Some of
those disks litterally return the pc to factory condiditons, that may
include the partitioning scheme!
>>Thirdly, if you can even get Windows 98 to install on the new hardware,
>>it may not like it too much being installed at the proposed location.
>>You will have to use a third party boot manager to get it to install
>>back there, you will have to change the Active Partition for it to
>>install and you may have to hide the other partitions to do the
>>installation. *IF* it installs you will then have to do a bit of work
>>and trickery to get the XP and W98 installations to coexist together or
>>you will have to rely on the third party boot manager.
>
>
>
> I have no experience with any third party boot manager, but I have read
> about the utility included with BootIT NG, Acronis Disk Director Suite 10.0
> and one or two others.
*** Those are pay for boot manager. BootItNG works well and is not too
expensive. The free XOSL is a bit harder to get used to but it works
perfectly fine: http://www.ranish.com/part/xosl.htm
> At this time, I'm not familiar with XP, nor the BIOS in DELL's E520 PC, but
> thought that I would be able to avoid a third party boot manager by setting
> the boot drive within BIOS.
> Or, using the FDD to boot to 98SE, or to boot to the FAT32 DOS partition to
> run AutoCAD. Maybe not, eh?
*** Yes, that would be a very easy way to do it with two hard disks. No
need to fuss with the Windows XP installation. A very safe way to it,
you can boot via the BIOS or install the boot manager on the Windows 98
drive, it will boot either operating sytem.
>>Due to the constraints mentioned above, increasingly, and especially on
>>newer hardware, the recommended way around problems like yours is to at
>>least attempt to install and run the applications on Windows XP and if
>>they absolutely cannot run then the increasingly preferred method is to
>>run Windows 98 in a Virtual Machine (Virtual PC) inside of Windows XP.
>
>
>
> It appears that MS Virtual PC 2007 will not work for me. As noted in my
> initial post, the new PC O/S is Windows XP Home Edition, not XP Pro.
>
> According to MS . . .
>
> Physical Computer and Host Operating System Requirements
> Following are the minimum system requirements for the physical computer and
> the host operating system:
> - Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise,
> Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition, Windows Server
> 2003 Standard x64 Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC
> Edition
*** As others have already said, there are alternatives. Microsoft did
not invent the Virtual PC and others are just as good if not better than
the Microsoft offering! In my opinion the Virtual Machine way is
probably the best way to go about it, if you can get it to work. None
of the dual booting headaches. You can work with your CAD software, and
if you need to do something else with another program you can do so
without having to reboot the computer, much more productive and an all
around better solution, IMHO.
> Thanks again for your thoughts, John. I am looking forward to any other
> recommendations you may have.
You're welcome. Good luck!
John
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"XP Newbie" <reply2newsgroup[ at ]please.thankyou> wrote in
news:f46bce0hnk[ at ]enews1.newsguy.com:
[Quoted Text] > Hi!
>
> Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows
> XP Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE
> user and was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go
> Vista. Someday, I expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro,
> but neither were available for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
>
> I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will
> require FAT32. Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE
> system and DOS programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>
> My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
> re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and
> other disks provided by DELL.
>
> Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
> C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
>
> D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
>
> E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
>
> F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
> future conversion to NTFS
>
> G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
>
> H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from
> Internet
>
> I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential
> anything
>
> Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and
> sincerely appreciated.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> XP Newbie
>
I would suggest keeping your old machine for your current programs. I
have friends who have tried to do what you want to, only to find it
didn't work well. The most reliable thing for you to do is to keep your
old machine and continue to run your older software on the old machine.
Yes people do this to keep their old software going. It's simple and
reliable and reqiures a less complicated setup for your new machine. If
you need more performance for your old software you may still be able to
get some upgrades for your older machine.
HTH
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<reply2newsgroup[ at ]please.thankyou> wrote:
[Quoted Text] >Hi!
>
>Later this afternoon, I expect UPS to deliver my first PC with Windows XP
>Home Edition installed. Presently, I am a stubborn Windows 98SE user and
>was exceedingly reluctant to move to XP, and refuse to go Vista. Someday, I
>expect to upgrade to Media Center 2005 or XP Pro, but neither were available
>for my budget at Dell's Outlet.
If you want MCE's extra Media-related features, fine, but what makes
you think you want XP Professional?
XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not all)
home users, even those with a home network, these features aren't
needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of Home
is a waste of money.
For details go to
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:
Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only
five.
>I have several DOS-based programs, including AutoCAD 11, that will require
>FAT32.
How do you know they require FAT32, and are you sure of that? In
general programs aren't even aware of what file system they run under,
and it hardly ever makes a difference.
The only common exception to that is disk utilities.
> Accordingly, I plan on transferring my Windows 98SE system and DOS
>programs to a couple of FAT32 partitions.
>
>My partition plan for the 320GB HDD includes starting from scratch and
>re-partitioning the HDD and then reloading the O/S, Utilities, and other
>disks provided by DELL.
>
>Tentatively, my partition plans include . . .
>
>C:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - Windows XP Home Edition / XP-based Applications
OK, although 80GB is probably way more than needed.
>D:\ [ at ] 80GB NTFS - XP files
OK, except that you should think of them as *data* files in general,
not XP files in particular. If they need to be accessed by a program
running under Windows 98 (and they may not need to be) then you should
make this partition FAT32.
>E:\ [ at ] 40GB NTFS - XP downloads from Internet
Why? There is no reason to separate downloads on a separate partition,
and these files would probably be best on D:.
Every time you create a partition where it's not required, you
complicate things and you increase the risk of running out of space on
one while having lots of space left on others.
Moreover 40GB seems enormous for downloads.
>F:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential future
>conversion to NTFS
Ditto. Spare space isn't required in a separate partition, and you
should add this space to D:
>G:\ [ at ] 40GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE / 98-based Applications
See my point above. No need for a separate partition for Windows 98
applications. In general apps are apps, and don't care where they are.
*If* you don't need Windows 98 (and you may not) this partition can be
eliminated entirely.
>H:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - Windows 98SE Swap File / downloads from Internet
Also not needed. Separating the swap file on a separate partition is
counterproductive, since it puts it far from other frequently-used
files, thereby increasing the time taken for head movement to and from
it and slowing down the machine.
Same point for downloads as above.
>I:\ [ at ] 20GB FAT32 - spare space / possible files / potential anything
Again, no need to have spare space in a separate partition.
>Any suggestions, recommendations or critiques are welcome and sincerely
>appreciated.
I think this is a *way* overcomplicated partitioning scheme for your
needs.
You should have one NTFS partition for XP and all applications, and
one partition for data (if your backup plans are to backup only data
rather than imaging the entire drive). *If* you also need to dual-boot
to Windows 98, then you need a FAT32 partition for Windows 98, and
your data partition should be FAT32.
No more than three partitions are needed or desirable.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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[Quoted Text] >
> Moreover 40GB seems enormous for downloads.
>
Snigger snigger!
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"XP Newbie" wrote
<snip>
[Quoted Text] >> If XP shipped with Norton AV or McAfee, remove them ASAP! > > It is not, but I did purchase NSW Standard Edition and had planned on > installing NAV. I do not allow it to run in the background or check my > email (since my ISP does this). > > May I ask why you are so BIASED against NAV with XP Home Edition? > >> Here are two good AV applications. One pay for and the other free. >> >> NOD32 Antivirus Software for Windows from ESET >> http://www.eset.com/products/windows.php>> >> Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition Download >> http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html> > Have never tried a free AV program. Why are these products superior to > NAV?
<snip>
NAV and NIS are, even under the best of circumstances, bloated, resource
hogs and sooner or later can be problematic. In Win95 days the Norton
Utilities had value. Not so any more. Norton Goback, though some like it,
can be quite problematic as well.
There are good alternatives to these programs that are leaner and less
troublesome. For Anti-virus I use Avast free version on several systems.
It works well. Another highly regarded free program is Anti-Vir. For paid
AV there is Kaspersky and NOD32, both excellent.
You need to run several non viral malware checkers. No one program can
catch it all. All of these are free: Ad-Aware SE Personal (with a new
version imminent), SpyBot S&D, Windows Defender, BHO Demon, Spyware Blaster,
HijackThis, and SuperAnti-Spyware.
For firewall use the XP firewall or one of these 3rd party products:
Sunbelt Software's Kerio Personal firewall (free and paid) or Comodo
Personal Firewall (free).
In lieu of NortonGoback, get a drive imaging program to image the system to
an external hard drive. I currently use Acronis True Image Home, version 10
for this. Images can be full, incremental or differential and on a drive or
partition basis. Restores can be on a file, partition or drive basis. It
also does file backup and disk imaging.
I do a full image weekly and a nightly incremental image, alternating on a
weekly basis between two external drives so one can be stored off site.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
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<reply2newsgroup[ at ]please.thankyou> wrote:
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