Vista and SB2003 "Jonathan Crawford" <jc[ at ]jcrawford.co.uk> 30.06.2007 06:40:59 Hi We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. We bought our first Vista Business PC. We couldn't connect it to the domain. We have tried connecting using //servername/connectcomputer and http://servername/connectcomputer and http://ipaddress/connectcomputer with a variety of low security settings and trusted domain settings for IE The error is about needing to be logged in as an administrator on the client machine to join the domain (which we are) We did our research. We downloaded the white paper. We installed the vista mui on the client machine We tried to install the SBS2003 Vista patch on the server but it denied us because it was missing a service pack We couldn't install service pack1 or 2 becuase of an error "failed to install catalogue files" Eventually installed service pack two after applying methods 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9, from kb 822798 We installed SBS Service Pack two and SP2 security patches Tried to apply Vista pack but it said it was either included in previous service pack or we had the wrong service pack Still couldn't connect computer to domain and no sign of new Vista group policy on SBS. We unistalled SP2 and installed SP1 Produced an error "update.exe application error, the istruction at ####### referenece memory at ### could not be written" (where ## is a bunch of hex) Server then turned evil, no event log, no browser, couldn't add or remove programmes Rebooted and the evil had been exorcised but still couldn't run vista patch. So to recap We have spent two days going nowhere and massively disrupting the newtork We have developed a profound dislike of vista We really don't know what to do. Should we reinstall SP2? Can someone give us the details of the Vista group policy? Can it be applied to SBS with SP2? Please help. Thanks jc

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> 30.06.2007 06:51:07 I don't think you installed SBS 2003 sp1 which is the five part patch. You still don't have the Vista ripcurl Now you can manually join the Vista box or try again ...but first install SBS 2003 sp1. What do you feel up to? Jonathan Crawford wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hi > > We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. > > We bought our first Vista Business PC. > We couldn't connect it to the domain. > > We have tried connecting using //servername/connectcomputer and > http://servername/connectcomputer and http://ipaddress/connectcomputer > with a variety of low security settings and trusted domain settings for IE > The error is about needing to be logged in as an administrator on the client > machine to join the domain (which we are) > > We did our research. > We downloaded the white paper. > We installed the vista mui on the client machine > We tried to install the SBS2003 Vista patch on the server but it denied us > because it was missing a service pack > We couldn't install service pack1 or 2 becuase of an error "failed to > install catalogue files" > Eventually installed service pack two after applying methods > 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9, from kb 822798 > We installed SBS Service Pack two and SP2 security patches > Tried to apply Vista pack but it said it was either included in previous > service pack or we had the wrong service pack > Still couldn't connect computer to domain and no sign of new Vista group > policy on SBS. > We unistalled SP2 and installed SP1 > Produced an error "update.exe application error, the istruction at ####### > referenece memory at ### could not be written" > (where ## is a bunch of hex) > Server then turned evil, no event log, no browser, couldn't add or remove > programmes > Rebooted and the evil had been exorcised but still couldn't run vista patch. > > So to recap > We have spent two days going nowhere and massively disrupting the newtork > We have developed a profound dislike of vista > We really don't know what to do. > > Should we reinstall SP2? Can someone give us the details of the Vista group > policy? Can it be applied to SBS with SP2? > > Please help. > > Thanks > > jc > >

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Jonathan Crawford" <jc[ at ]jcrawford.co.uk> 30.06.2007 08:57:32 Hi We did install 2003 sp1 Ie the patch that calls itself SBS1 and is a couple of hundred megabytes There were no five parts to it though. Do you know where this other patch is. We had trouble finding one as two was out I will look for the rip curl. I still haven't sent the packaging of the new machine to recycling as I may send it back. It has cost us more trrying to set it up then it's purchase price. thanks jc -- =============== Jonathan Crawford jc[ at ]tgsi.net =============== "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> wrote in message news:4685FD5B.8060304[ at ]pacbell.net... [Quoted Text] >I don't think you installed SBS 2003 sp1 which is the five part patch. > > You still don't have the Vista ripcurl > > Now you can manually join the Vista box or try again ...but first install > SBS 2003 sp1. > > What do you feel up to? > > Jonathan Crawford wrote: >> Hi >> >> We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. >> >> We bought our first Vista Business PC. >> We couldn't connect it to the domain. >> >> We have tried connecting using //servername/connectcomputer and >> http://servername/connectcomputer and http://ipaddress/connectcomputer >> with a variety of low security settings and trusted domain settings for >> IE >> The error is about needing to be logged in as an administrator on the >> client >> machine to join the domain (which we are) >> >> We did our research. >> We downloaded the white paper. >> We installed the vista mui on the client machine >> We tried to install the SBS2003 Vista patch on the server but it denied >> us >> because it was missing a service pack >> We couldn't install service pack1 or 2 becuase of an error "failed to >> install catalogue files" >> Eventually installed service pack two after applying methods >> 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9, from kb 822798 >> We installed SBS Service Pack two and SP2 security patches >> Tried to apply Vista pack but it said it was either included in previous >> service pack or we had the wrong service pack >> Still couldn't connect computer to domain and no sign of new Vista group >> policy on SBS. >> We unistalled SP2 and installed SP1 >> Produced an error "update.exe application error, the istruction at >> ####### >> referenece memory at ### could not be written" >> (where ## is a bunch of hex) >> Server then turned evil, no event log, no browser, couldn't add or remove >> programmes >> Rebooted and the evil had been exorcised but still couldn't run vista >> patch. >> >> So to recap >> We have spent two days going nowhere and massively disrupting the newtork >> We have developed a profound dislike of vista >> We really don't know what to do. >> >> Should we reinstall SP2? Can someone give us the details of the Vista >> group >> policy? Can it be applied to SBS with SP2? >> >> Please help. >> >> Thanks >> >> jc >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM > >

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> 30.06.2007 09:04:57 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/downloads/sp1/default.mspx *Downloading the service pack*. The download for Windows SBS SP1 includes the service packs necessary for the Standard Edition of Windows SBS 2003. As a part of this process, you must download five separate files, which could take a considerable amount of time depending upon the speed of your Internet connection. If any of service packs 1-4 are already installed, it is not necessary to do so again. 1. Service Pack 1 for the Windows Server® 2003 operating system 2. Windows SharePoint® Services 2.0 Service Pack 1 3. Exchange Server 2003 Service Pack 1 4. Windows XP SP2 for Client Deployment 5. Windows Small Business Server 2003 SP1 http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/2007/02/09/sbs-vista-client-update-ripcurl-now-available.aspx If you have ANY questions at all, PLEASE holler.. I'm heading to bed now but will be back online tomorrow. Jonathan Crawford wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hi > We did install 2003 sp1 > Ie the patch that calls itself SBS1 and is a couple of hundred megabytes > There were no five parts to it though. Do you know where this other patch > is. We had trouble finding one as two was out > > I will look for the rip curl. > > I still haven't sent the packaging of the new machine > to recycling as I may send it back. It has cost us more > trrying to set it up then it's purchase price. > > thanks > > jc >

Re: Vista and SB2003 Holz <none[ at ]none.com> 30.06.2007 16:16:45 On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:40:59 +0100, Jonathan Crawford wrote: [Quoted Text] > We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. What does Vista give you over XP? Why would you bother with such a bad bad bad product? -- The next version of Windows? Windows piñata Piñatas are made from easily breakable materials. a bright container surrounded by blindfolded children breaking the piñata in order to collect the candy inside of it.

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> 30.06.2007 17:07:36 Bitlocker Event viewer Group policy Let's not get into the OS wars on this list. Let's help him get it installed, shall we? Holz wrote: [Quoted Text] > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:40:59 +0100, Jonathan Crawford wrote: > >> We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. > What does Vista give you over XP? Why would you bother with such a bad bad > bad product? >

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Teneo" <not[ at ]here.com> 01.07.2007 10:16:10 Hello Susan, Sorry but I have to disagree... Also there are 2 threads going on from this OP. You mention 'event viewer' great but you have manually configure Vista GPO on SBS to 'manage' computers. It should be there by default, very poor support from Microsoft. A new user of SBS has Vista clients and wants to administer his Vista clients well he cant (can with XP by default) has to research, investigate and finds oh, Microsoft forgot to add that component in its SBS/Vista update. GPO.. again, Vista default GPO has very little what is expected i.e from XP default GPO, evryone has to learn GPO to get VIsta working when I thought SBS was wizards and does the majority of the 'basic ' configurations for you. Vista is a nightmare, if you remember we had a thread discussing even your issue with Vista and I pointed out a possible issue with restore point but haven't had time to fully retest as removed 30+ Vista from clients and SP2 nightmares. Such a big issue thought Microsoft would have picked up on that thread, or is they haven't responded because they found he same issue, as I would of expected a post from someone saying no probs their end. Im sorry but my advise to the OP is not to install Vista, he will have a mountain to climb. User support (new for them too), not intergrated into SBS properly. "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> wrote in message news:evfUpkzuHHA.2752[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Bitlocker > Event viewer > Group policy > > Let's not get into the OS wars on this list. Let's help him get it > installed, shall we? > > > Holz wrote: >> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:40:59 +0100, Jonathan Crawford wrote: >> >>> We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. >> What does Vista give you over XP? Why would you bother with such a bad >> bad >> bad product? >>

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> 01.07.2007 16:25:17 I fixed my Vista (see blog) and it was an inplace upgraded Vista over the top of XP that I wouldn't recommend to clients. Install clean. I didn't. I paid the price. Have you posted in the Vista newsgroup? They wouldn't comment on Vista in this one. My point is many times people complain we get off on tangents in this newsgroup is all. Teneo wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hello Susan, Sorry but I have to disagree... Also there are 2 threads going > on from this OP. > > You mention 'event viewer' great but you have manually configure Vista GPO > on SBS to 'manage' computers. It should be there by default, very poor > support from Microsoft. A new user of SBS has Vista clients and wants to > administer his Vista clients well he cant (can with XP by default) has to > research, investigate and finds oh, Microsoft forgot to add that component > in its SBS/Vista update. > > GPO.. again, Vista default GPO has very little what is expected i.e from XP > default GPO, evryone has to learn GPO to get VIsta working when I thought > SBS was wizards and does the majority of the 'basic ' configurations for > you. > > Vista is a nightmare, if you remember we had a thread discussing even your > issue with Vista and I pointed out a possible issue with restore point but > haven't had time to fully retest as removed 30+ Vista from clients and SP2 > nightmares. Such a big issue thought Microsoft would have picked up on that > thread, or is they haven't responded because they found he same issue, as I > would of expected a post from someone saying no probs their end. > > Im sorry but my advise to the OP is not to install Vista, he will have a > mountain to climb. User support (new for them too), not intergrated into SBS > properly. > > > > > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> > wrote in message news:evfUpkzuHHA.2752[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Bitlocker >> Event viewer >> Group policy >> >> Let's not get into the OS wars on this list. Let's help him get it >> installed, shall we? >> >> >> Holz wrote: >>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:40:59 +0100, Jonathan Crawford wrote: >>> >>>> We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. >>> What does Vista give you over XP? Why would you bother with such a bad >>> bad >>> bad product? >>> > >

Re: Vista and SB2003 "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> 01.07.2007 20:40:06 BTW the Vista ripcurl update gives you the interface to manage Vista clients.. it's on MU You have to open up the vista gpo from a vista machine. It's not that they forgot, it's that it has to be controlled from a vista workstation. Ensure you go to MU and get the Vista/Outlook update as it does have the basics already configured. Teneo wrote: [Quoted Text] > Hello Susan, Sorry but I have to disagree... Also there are 2 threads going > on from this OP. > > You mention 'event viewer' great but you have manually configure Vista GPO > on SBS to 'manage' computers. It should be there by default, very poor > support from Microsoft. A new user of SBS has Vista clients and wants to > administer his Vista clients well he cant (can with XP by default) has to > research, investigate and finds oh, Microsoft forgot to add that component > in its SBS/Vista update. > > GPO.. again, Vista default GPO has very little what is expected i.e from XP > default GPO, evryone has to learn GPO to get VIsta working when I thought > SBS was wizards and does the majority of the 'basic ' configurations for > you. > > Vista is a nightmare, if you remember we had a thread discussing even your > issue with Vista and I pointed out a possible issue with restore point but > haven't had time to fully retest as removed 30+ Vista from clients and SP2 > nightmares. Such a big issue thought Microsoft would have picked up on that > thread, or is they haven't responded because they found he same issue, as I > would of expected a post from someone saying no probs their end. > > Im sorry but my advise to the OP is not to install Vista, he will have a > mountain to climb. User support (new for them too), not intergrated into SBS > properly. > > > > > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> > wrote in message news:evfUpkzuHHA.2752[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Bitlocker >> Event viewer >> Group policy >> >> Let's not get into the OS wars on this list. Let's help him get it >> installed, shall we? >> >> >> Holz wrote: >>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:40:59 +0100, Jonathan Crawford wrote: >>> >>>> We run SBS 20003 and about half a dozen xp pro clients. >>> What does Vista give you over XP? Why would you bother with such a bad >>> bad >>> bad product? >>> > >