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I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. I
removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so it just
updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and downloaded about 30
patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day at 10pm it synchronized
again and loaded another 20 patches which I installed, re-booting again. I
don't understand why another 20 patches came so close to the first
synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day, so I
temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now when I go to the tab for
Update Services, it tells me it is not running, and I should either reverse
the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems like a pretty dramatic step).
My question is how to reverse the changes since it won't let me go into the
"change update services settings" tab, giving me the same message as above.
A second, and seemingly related issue is that our workstations have slowed
down considerably, and when I check the windows task manager processes, the
svchost.exe is taking a large portion of memory. From reading other threads,
it appears this is related to the windows update services too. How can I fix
it? I would like to get all working normally before I add client
workstations to the WSUS.
Thanks
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:46:01 -0700, steve s wrote:
[Quoted Text] > and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day
Reboot is a Windows specialty, you simply cannot live without it.
Do you have a valid backup?
How are your clients pointed to the WSUS? Group Policies?
What version of WSUS are you running?
Reinstalling Windows on WSUS is not big deal if it is dedicated, is it?
Sounds like your clients are trying to download the latest updates from the
server which is not really responding.
--
The next version of Windows? Windows piñata
Piñatas are made from easily breakable materials. a bright container
surrounded by blindfolded children breaking the
piñata in order to collect the candy inside of it.
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Given that you are probably installing patches from many, many months ago...
the 20 new patches are only available when the software they are patching is
available.
It is not necessarily the right technique to push out all patches. You have
to know which patches and where you are starting from.
One of the disadvantages of built-in patch management is that everyone
(myself included) wants WSUS to be smart enough to know what is needed and
it just isn't really there.. it needs the human brain.
--
Anne Stanton, MBSCP-CRM
President, The Norwich Group
The CRM Lady at www.CRMLady.com
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"steve s" <steves[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C8E81652-C199-4C73-BCE8-264ACB4FF881[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] >I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. I
> removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so it
> just
> updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and downloaded about
> 30
> patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day at 10pm it
> synchronized
> again and loaded another 20 patches which I installed, re-booting again.
> I
> don't understand why another 20 patches came so close to the first
> synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day, so I
> temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now when I go to the tab for
> Update Services, it tells me it is not running, and I should either
> reverse
> the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems like a pretty dramatic
> step).
> My question is how to reverse the changes since it won't let me go into
> the
> "change update services settings" tab, giving me the same message as
> above.
>
> A second, and seemingly related issue is that our workstations have slowed
> down considerably, and when I check the windows task manager processes,
> the
> svchost.exe is taking a large portion of memory. From reading other
> threads,
> it appears this is related to the windows update services too. How can I
> fix
> it? I would like to get all working normally before I add client
> workstations to the WSUS.
>
> Thanks
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SVChost
Install 927891 on all workstations and ensure you have the latest WU/AU
client (see the WSUS blog at http://blogs.technet.com/wsus
There is a CPU hog issue with SVChost without these patches
steve s wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. I
> removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so it just
> updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and downloaded about 30
> patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day at 10pm it synchronized
> again and loaded another 20 patches which I installed, re-booting again. I
> don't understand why another 20 patches came so close to the first
> synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day, so I
> temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now when I go to the tab for
> Update Services, it tells me it is not running, and I should either reverse
> the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems like a pretty dramatic step).
> My question is how to reverse the changes since it won't let me go into the
> "change update services settings" tab, giving me the same message as above.
>
> A second, and seemingly related issue is that our workstations have slowed
> down considerably, and when I check the windows task manager processes, the
> svchost.exe is taking a large portion of memory. From reading other threads,
> it appears this is related to the windows update services too. How can I fix
> it? I would like to get all working normally before I add client
> workstations to the WSUS.
>
> Thanks
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That makes sense. I should also say that I did check the patches before
installing and tried to decline those that were clearly not applicable. I
have learned that any patch can potentially cause unintended consequences.
"Anne Stanton" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > Given that you are probably installing patches from many, many months ago...
> the 20 new patches are only available when the software they are patching is
> available.
>
> It is not necessarily the right technique to push out all patches. You have
> to know which patches and where you are starting from.
>
> One of the disadvantages of built-in patch management is that everyone
> (myself included) wants WSUS to be smart enough to know what is needed and
> it just isn't really there.. it needs the human brain.
>
> --
> Anne Stanton, MBSCP-CRM
> President, The Norwich Group
> The CRM Lady at www.CRMLady.com
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Written on a Lenovo T60p running VISTA
> Tracked in MS Dynamics CRM v3.0 Rollup 1, Outlook Client v3.0C (with hotfix)
> Good Neighbor to Groove 2007, OneNote 2007, Office Enterprise 2007,
> Autotask, LinkedIN,
> TypePad and More!
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "steve s" <steves[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C8E81652-C199-4C73-BCE8-264ACB4FF881[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. I
> > removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so it
> > just
> > updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and downloaded about
> > 30
> > patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day at 10pm it
> > synchronized
> > again and loaded another 20 patches which I installed, re-booting again.
> > I
> > don't understand why another 20 patches came so close to the first
> > synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day, so I
> > temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now when I go to the tab for
> > Update Services, it tells me it is not running, and I should either
> > reverse
> > the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems like a pretty dramatic
> > step).
> > My question is how to reverse the changes since it won't let me go into
> > the
> > "change update services settings" tab, giving me the same message as
> > above.
> >
> > A second, and seemingly related issue is that our workstations have slowed
> > down considerably, and when I check the windows task manager processes,
> > the
> > svchost.exe is taking a large portion of memory. From reading other
> > threads,
> > it appears this is related to the windows update services too. How can I
> > fix
> > it? I would like to get all working normally before I add client
> > workstations to the WSUS.
> >
> > Thanks
>
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We do have a valid nightly back up running. I believe the server is running
2.0, but would like to know how to check, (Server delivered from Dell in
April with everything pre-installed). As for how the clients are pointed to
the server for WSUS, it is whatever the default was when I connected them
with the wizard. Same for Group policies.
"Holz" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:46:01 -0700, steve s wrote:
>
> > and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day
>
> Reboot is a Windows specialty, you simply cannot live without it.
> Do you have a valid backup?
> How are your clients pointed to the WSUS? Group Policies?
> What version of WSUS are you running?
> Reinstalling Windows on WSUS is not big deal if it is dedicated, is it?
>
> Sounds like your clients are trying to download the latest updates from the
> server which is not really responding.
>
>
> --
> The next version of Windows? Windows piñata
> Piñatas are made from easily breakable materials. a bright container
> surrounded by blindfolded children breaking the
> piñata in order to collect the candy inside of it.
>
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After I install the patch, how can I reverse the change to manual synching?
When I navigate to "change update services settings" it says "WSUS is not
running because it turns off if you customize. Reverse the changes that you
have made or re-install" I only made one change, which was to move to manual
synching. How can I reverse that?
"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > SVChost > > Install 927891 on all workstations and ensure you have the latest WU/AU > client (see the WSUS blog at http://blogs.technet.com/wsus> > There is a CPU hog issue with SVChost without these patches > > steve s wrote: > > I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. I > > removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so it just > > updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and downloaded about 30 > > patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day at 10pm it synchronized > > again and loaded another 20 patches which I installed, re-booting again. I > > don't understand why another 20 patches came so close to the first > > synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day, so I > > temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now when I go to the tab for > > Update Services, it tells me it is not running, and I should either reverse > > the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems like a pretty dramatic step). > > My question is how to reverse the changes since it won't let me go into the > > "change update services settings" tab, giving me the same message as above. > > > > A second, and seemingly related issue is that our workstations have slowed > > down considerably, and when I check the windows task manager processes, the > > svchost.exe is taking a large portion of memory. From reading other threads, > > it appears this is related to the windows update services too. How can I fix > > it? I would like to get all working normally before I add client > > workstations to the WSUS. > > > > Thanks > |
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The machines will be automatically patched/updated for this via WSUS/SBS
Update Services, if you just let it do it's thing.
To get the server up-to-date, MU the server several times consecutively,
restarting as required. A fresh install of SBS, even with recent media is
going to need 50-70 updates, same with XP SP2 fresh installs.
The workstations will be brought in line automatically, but the server
should be done manually at first. SBS Update Servcies (R2) does a nice job
of setting up group policy so that your workstations update automatically,
and your servers will download and notify.
--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net>
wrote in message news:eU0fSmTuHHA.1120[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > SVChost > > Install 927891 on all workstations and ensure you have the latest WU/AU > client (see the WSUS blog at http://blogs.technet.com/wsus> > There is a CPU hog issue with SVChost without these patches > > steve s wrote: >> I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. >> I removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so >> it just updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and >> downloaded about 30 patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day >> at 10pm it synchronized again and loaded another 20 patches which I >> installed, re-booting again. I don't understand why another 20 patches >> came so close to the first synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot >> the server every day, so I temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now >> when I go to the tab for Update Services, it tells me it is not running, >> and I should either reverse the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems >> like a pretty dramatic step). My question is how to reverse the changes >> since it won't let me go into the "change update services settings" tab, >> giving me the same message as above. A second, and seemingly related >> issue is that our workstations have slowed down considerably, and when I >> check the windows task manager processes, the svchost.exe is taking a >> large portion of memory. From reading other threads, it appears this is >> related to the windows update services too. How can I fix it? I would >> like to get all working normally before I add client workstations to the >> WSUS. Thanks
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DDT.
Don't make changes. It works if you let it.
--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
"steve s" <steves[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FBFCE214-C49A-443F-A49C-2BF434356B65[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > After I install the patch, how can I reverse the change to manual > synching? > When I navigate to "change update services settings" it says "WSUS is not > running because it turns off if you customize. Reverse the changes that > you > have made or re-install" I only made one change, which was to move to > manual > synching. How can I reverse that? > > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks" wrote: > >> SVChost >> >> Install 927891 on all workstations and ensure you have the latest WU/AU >> client (see the WSUS blog at http://blogs.technet.com/wsus>> >> There is a CPU hog issue with SVChost without these patches >> >> steve s wrote: >> > I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. >> > I >> > removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so >> > it just >> > updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and downloaded >> > about 30 >> > patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day at 10pm it >> > synchronized >> > again and loaded another 20 patches which I installed, re-booting >> > again. I >> > don't understand why another 20 patches came so close to the first >> > synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot the server every day, so >> > I >> > temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now when I go to the tab for >> > Update Services, it tells me it is not running, and I should either >> > reverse >> > the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems like a pretty dramatic >> > step). >> > My question is how to reverse the changes since it won't let me go into >> > the >> > "change update services settings" tab, giving me the same message as >> > above. >> > >> > A second, and seemingly related issue is that our workstations have >> > slowed >> > down considerably, and when I check the windows task manager processes, >> > the >> > svchost.exe is taking a large portion of memory. From reading other >> > threads, >> > it appears this is related to the windows update services too. How can >> > I fix >> > it? I would like to get all working normally before I add client >> > workstations to the WSUS. >> > >> > Thanks >>
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Understood, but how do I reverse the manual synchronization?
"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > The machines will be automatically patched/updated for this via WSUS/SBS > Update Services, if you just let it do it's thing. > > To get the server up-to-date, MU the server several times consecutively, > restarting as required. A fresh install of SBS, even with recent media is > going to need 50-70 updates, same with XP SP2 fresh installs. > > The workstations will be brought in line automatically, but the server > should be done manually at first. SBS Update Servcies (R2) does a nice job > of setting up group policy so that your workstations update automatically, > and your servers will download and notify. > > -- > Les Connor [SBS MVP] > > > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> > wrote in message news:eU0fSmTuHHA.1120[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > SVChost > > > > Install 927891 on all workstations and ensure you have the latest WU/AU > > client (see the WSUS blog at http://blogs.technet.com/wsus> > > > There is a CPU hog issue with SVChost without these patches > > > > steve s wrote: > >> I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update service. > >> I removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble so > >> it just updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and > >> downloaded about 30 patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next day > >> at 10pm it synchronized again and loaded another 20 patches which I > >> installed, re-booting again. I don't understand why another 20 patches > >> came so close to the first synchronization, and I didn't want to re-boot > >> the server every day, so I temporarily turned off the auto-synching. Now > >> when I go to the tab for Update Services, it tells me it is not running, > >> and I should either reverse the changes or reinstall Windows (which seems > >> like a pretty dramatic step). My question is how to reverse the changes > >> since it won't let me go into the "change update services settings" tab, > >> giving me the same message as above. A second, and seemingly related > >> issue is that our workstations have slowed down considerably, and when I > >> check the windows task manager processes, the svchost.exe is taking a > >> large portion of memory. From reading other threads, it appears this is > >> related to the windows update services too. How can I fix it? I would > >> like to get all working normally before I add client workstations to the > >> WSUS. Thanks > |
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You'll have to go into the native WSUS console to reverse the changes, and
try and get SBS Update services to run again. I believe there's a link to a
document located in the SBS Update Services node of the SBS Management
console that gives you 5 or 6 common reasons/resolutions.
If you can't sort it, an uninstall/re-install of SBS R2 from add/remove
programs usually sorts it.
--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
"steve s" <steves[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:26961D23-DEFA-4511-B057-3A4393CE5891[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > Understood, but how do I reverse the manual synchronization? > > "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote: > >> The machines will be automatically patched/updated for this via WSUS/SBS >> Update Services, if you just let it do it's thing. >> >> To get the server up-to-date, MU the server several times consecutively, >> restarting as required. A fresh install of SBS, even with recent media is >> going to need 50-70 updates, same with XP SP2 fresh installs. >> >> The workstations will be brought in line automatically, but the server >> should be done manually at first. SBS Update Servcies (R2) does a nice >> job >> of setting up group policy so that your workstations update >> automatically, >> and your servers will download and notify. >> >> -- >> Les Connor [SBS MVP] >> >> >> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa[ at ]pacbell.net> >> wrote in message news:eU0fSmTuHHA.1120[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > SVChost >> > >> > Install 927891 on all workstations and ensure you have the latest WU/AU >> > client (see the WSUS blog at http://blogs.technet.com/wsus>> > >> > There is a CPU hog issue with SVChost without these patches >> > >> > steve s wrote: >> >> I recently did my first synchronization for the Windows update >> >> service. >> >> I removed all client computers to minimize the potential for trouble >> >> so >> >> it just updated the server. It still took hours as warned, and >> >> downloaded about 30 patches. I installed and re-booted, and the next >> >> day >> >> at 10pm it synchronized again and loaded another 20 patches which I >> >> installed, re-booting again. I don't understand why another 20 >> >> patches >> >> came so close to the first synchronization, and I didn't want to >> >> re-boot >> >> the server every day, so I temporarily turned off the auto-synching. >> >> Now >> >> when I go to the tab for Update Services, it tells me it is not >> >> running, >> >> and I should either reverse the changes or reinstall Windows (which >> >> seems >> >> like a pretty dramatic step). My question is how to reverse the >> >> changes >> >> since it won't let me go into the "change update services settings" >> >> tab, >> >> giving me the same message as above. A second, and seemingly related >> >> issue is that our workstations have slowed down considerably, and when >> >> I >> >> check the windows task manager processes, the svchost.exe is taking a >> >> large portion of memory. From reading other threads, it appears this >> >> is >> >> related to the windows update services too. How can I fix it? I >> >> would >> >> like to get all working normally before I add client workstations to >> >> the >> >> WSUS. Thanks >>
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