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Is VPN faster than RWW or TS?
Tammy 25.06.2007 21:05:02

We are running Small Business Server 2003 Premium and we also have a
Terminal Server (Windows Server 2003) on our LAN for 5 remote users to run an
Accounting application on it. I was asked these questions by a user and
quite frankly I am not sure what the answer is.

1) is it faster for a user to connect to the network using the VPN client
software and then doing RDP to their desktop - as opposed to connecting to
their desktop via RWW?

**I am thinking that it does not really make a difference in performance??

2) is it faster for a remote Terminal Server user to VPN to the network and
then RDP to the Terminal Server?

**I don't think it will be necessarily faster and actually just adds another
step for those remote users - right now they have an RDP shortcut on their
desktop to connect directly to the Terminal Server in our office - ISA
configured to allow this for their IP address


Thank you very much for your assistance!
Tammy
Re: Is VPN faster than RWW or TS?
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna[ at ]computingnospampossibilities.net> 25.06.2007 21:14:36
Regardless of which way you VPN...VPN adds overhead that eats up bandwidth

You should RWW direct
OR
TS direct

--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"Tammy" <Tammy[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:651B8BF2-CEC1-4755-9A44-6420E57C2EFC[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>
> We are running Small Business Server 2003 Premium and we also have a
> Terminal Server (Windows Server 2003) on our LAN for 5 remote users to run
> an
> Accounting application on it. I was asked these questions by a user and
> quite frankly I am not sure what the answer is.
>
> 1) is it faster for a user to connect to the network using the VPN client
> software and then doing RDP to their desktop - as opposed to connecting to
> their desktop via RWW?
>
> **I am thinking that it does not really make a difference in performance??
>
> 2) is it faster for a remote Terminal Server user to VPN to the network
> and
> then RDP to the Terminal Server?
>
> **I don't think it will be necessarily faster and actually just adds
> another
> step for those remote users - right now they have an RDP shortcut on their
> desktop to connect directly to the Terminal Server in our office - ISA
> configured to allow this for their IP address
>
>
> Thank you very much for your assistance!
> Tammy


Re: Is VPN faster than RWW or TS?
Leythos <void[ at ]nowhere.lan> 25.06.2007 23:21:59
In article <651B8BF2-CEC1-4755-9A44-6420E57C2EFC[ at ]microsoft.com>,
Tammy[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com says...
[Quoted Text]
>
> We are running Small Business Server 2003 Premium and we also have a
> Terminal Server (Windows Server 2003) on our LAN for 5 remote users to run an
> Accounting application on it. I was asked these questions by a user and
> quite frankly I am not sure what the answer is.
>
> 1) is it faster for a user to connect to the network using the VPN client
> software and then doing RDP to their desktop - as opposed to connecting to
> their desktop via RWW?

Misleading question - partly:

1) Connecting is the same, performance is very different.

2) Performance of a user running RD into a Terminal Server is always
going to be faster than a user running application across a VPN from
their local computer. The application on the local computer must
pull/push all data through the VPN, typically slower than a 100MBPS lan
connection, so, at best, if you had a T1 all to your self, you could
push about 1mbps in/out of your remote location (includes overhead for
VPN). A Terminal server is local to the company LAN and SBS box, it runs
at 1GBPS in most cases... You do the math.


> **I am thinking that it does not really make a difference in performance??

You would be very wrong - all data moves locally in a T/S connection,
nothing has to come to your remote computer except images and key/mouse
movement (about 30kbps needed, even less than a modem can handle).

In a VPN, were you run the app on your remote machine with the files and
data in the local office, you are limited to about 1mbps and if the
connection fails you are left with corrupt files.

> 2) is it faster for a remote Terminal Server user to VPN to the network and
> then RDP to the Terminal Server?

We never expose RD to the public, we always set Hardware VPN's between
offices and user VPN's to the firewall for remote users. We restrict the
VPN sessions to TCP Port 3389 for the remote users.

> **I don't think it will be necessarily faster and actually just adds another
> step for those remote users - right now they have an RDP shortcut on their
> desktop to connect directly to the Terminal Server in our office - ISA
> configured to allow this for their IP address

I don't trust users or their password creation - we setup users and
passwords that don't match their SBS user passwords, two layers of
security.



--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free[ at ]rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
Re: Is VPN faster than RWW or TS?
Tammy 27.06.2007 18:48:00
Thanks again Cris for replying!

Tammy :-)

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Regardless of which way you VPN...VPN adds overhead that eats up bandwidth
>
> You should RWW direct
> OR
> TS direct
>
> --
> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> -------------------------------------------------
> Microsoft MVPs
> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
> Real World Answers
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>
> "Tammy" <Tammy[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:651B8BF2-CEC1-4755-9A44-6420E57C2EFC[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >
> > We are running Small Business Server 2003 Premium and we also have a
> > Terminal Server (Windows Server 2003) on our LAN for 5 remote users to run
> > an
> > Accounting application on it. I was asked these questions by a user and
> > quite frankly I am not sure what the answer is.
> >
> > 1) is it faster for a user to connect to the network using the VPN client
> > software and then doing RDP to their desktop - as opposed to connecting to
> > their desktop via RWW?
> >
> > **I am thinking that it does not really make a difference in performance??
> >
> > 2) is it faster for a remote Terminal Server user to VPN to the network
> > and
> > then RDP to the Terminal Server?
> >
> > **I don't think it will be necessarily faster and actually just adds
> > another
> > step for those remote users - right now they have an RDP shortcut on their
> > desktop to connect directly to the Terminal Server in our office - ISA
> > configured to allow this for their IP address
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for your assistance!
> > Tammy
>
>
>
Re: Is VPN faster than RWW or TS?
Tammy 27.06.2007 18:52:00
Thank you very much for all of this info - it is very helpful!

Tammy :-)

"Leythos" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> In article <651B8BF2-CEC1-4755-9A44-6420E57C2EFC[ at ]microsoft.com>,
> Tammy[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com says...
> >
> > We are running Small Business Server 2003 Premium and we also have a
> > Terminal Server (Windows Server 2003) on our LAN for 5 remote users to run an
> > Accounting application on it. I was asked these questions by a user and
> > quite frankly I am not sure what the answer is.
> >
> > 1) is it faster for a user to connect to the network using the VPN client
> > software and then doing RDP to their desktop - as opposed to connecting to
> > their desktop via RWW?
>
> Misleading question - partly:
>
> 1) Connecting is the same, performance is very different.
>
> 2) Performance of a user running RD into a Terminal Server is always
> going to be faster than a user running application across a VPN from
> their local computer. The application on the local computer must
> pull/push all data through the VPN, typically slower than a 100MBPS lan
> connection, so, at best, if you had a T1 all to your self, you could
> push about 1mbps in/out of your remote location (includes overhead for
> VPN). A Terminal server is local to the company LAN and SBS box, it runs
> at 1GBPS in most cases... You do the math.
>
>
> > **I am thinking that it does not really make a difference in performance??
>
> You would be very wrong - all data moves locally in a T/S connection,
> nothing has to come to your remote computer except images and key/mouse
> movement (about 30kbps needed, even less than a modem can handle).
>
> In a VPN, were you run the app on your remote machine with the files and
> data in the local office, you are limited to about 1mbps and if the
> connection fails you are left with corrupt files.
>
> > 2) is it faster for a remote Terminal Server user to VPN to the network and
> > then RDP to the Terminal Server?
>
> We never expose RD to the public, we always set Hardware VPN's between
> offices and user VPN's to the firewall for remote users. We restrict the
> VPN sessions to TCP Port 3389 for the remote users.
>
> > **I don't think it will be necessarily faster and actually just adds another
> > step for those remote users - right now they have an RDP shortcut on their
> > desktop to connect directly to the Terminal Server in our office - ISA
> > configured to allow this for their IP address
>
> I don't trust users or their password creation - we setup users and
> passwords that don't match their SBS user passwords, two layers of
> security.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free[ at ]rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>

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