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Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
Holz <none[ at ]none.com> 29.06.2007 01:04:16
What would you recommend as the best practice?
One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup and
disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted to know if
there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".

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Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
Holz <none[ at ]none.com> 29.06.2007 02:47:08
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:04:16 +0000, Holz wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> What would you recommend as the best practice?

Forgot to add, it is for EXCHANGE 2003. Me tired!

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Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
"Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}" <sme[ at ]nevernever.lan> 29.06.2007 04:19:29
There is never going to be a "one shoe fit's all" for DR and Business
Continuity.
They had a whole conference on it in New Orleans recently.

It's about being knowledgeable about DR methods ( and experienced )
It's about DR Planning, Implementation, Testing and Practice.
It's about talking with the business principles about Business Continuity
and where the IT fits' into this.
It's about their tolerance to down-time and Type of down-time.
It's about redundancy and Type of redundancy.
It's about how much they are willing to invest in a pro-active -v- re-active
solutions ( both dollars and time )

The conversation about the conversation is worth 4 hours consultancy on it's
own.

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Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}



"Holz" <none[ at ]none.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
> What would you recommend as the best practice?
> One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup and
> disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted to know
> if
> there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".
>
> --
> The next version of Windows? Windows piñata
> Piñatas are made from easily breakable materials. a bright container
> surrounded by blindfolded children breaking the
> piñata in order to collect the candy inside of it.

Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
"kj" <KevinJ.SBS[ at ]SPAMFREE.gmail.com> 29.06.2007 04:49:27
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP} wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> There is never going to be a "one shoe fit's all" for DR and Business
> Continuity.
> They had a whole conference on it in New Orleans recently.
>
> It's about being knowledgeable about DR methods ( and experienced )
> It's about DR Planning, Implementation, Testing and Practice.
> It's about talking with the business principles about Business
> Continuity and where the IT fits' into this.
> It's about their tolerance to down-time and Type of down-time.
> It's about redundancy and Type of redundancy.
> It's about how much they are willing to invest in a pro-active -v-
> re-active solutions ( both dollars and time )
>
> The conversation about the conversation is worth 4 hours consultancy
> on it's own.
>

And it's especially about risk(s).

>
> "Holz" <none[ at ]none.com> wrote in message
> news:46845a90$0$7995$4c368faf[ at ]roadrunner.com...
>> What would you recommend as the best practice?
>> One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup
>> and disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted
>> to know if
>> there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".
>>
>> --
>> The next version of Windows? Windows piñata
>> Piñatas are made from easily breakable materials. a bright container
>> surrounded by blindfolded children breaking the
>> piñata in order to collect the candy inside of it.

--
/kj


Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
"Phantom Lord" <papu[ at ]vodafone.it> 29.06.2007 10:11:30
"Holz" <none[ at ]none.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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[Quoted Text]
> What would you recommend as the best practice?
> One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup and
> disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted to know
> if
> there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".

i suggest to have another machine with sbsserver 2003 without sbs
application, as backup domain controller,
i suggest to install also dns and dhcp to keep the network working...

because of you may have to install sbs on a new hardware..

if you have a dister, you can promote fsmo roles and global catalog to the
backup sbs server while you install the new server..
once installed, you make it a domain controller, tranfer global catalog and
fsmo roles, and then you can install sbs server again, and restore enchange
data and so on..


--
Mauro Poletto Lonato (Bs) Italy
http://blogs.dotnethell.it/papu/


Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
"Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}" <sme[ at ]nevernever.lan> 29.06.2007 13:23:16
I'm assuming you've never actually tried what your advocating as I can tell
you it won't work.

Firstly if you do not install the SBServer Component the box will shut down
on you so you cannot use "Just the Windows server part of SBS" as a Replica
Domain Controller, Member Server or anything else.

Secondly having a replica domain controller doesn't really provide any
protection / failover...
Internet connection, DNS, DHCP, e'Mail, Data, LOB Apps and Data, User
profiles, My Docs, etc etc etc all reside on the SB Server so if it goes out
it takes a lot more out with it than just AD Authentication.

So, you're going, no matter what, to be looking to reinstate the ( or a )
SBServer ASAP under pressure conditions.

Software Assurance allows you to have a "Cold Server" ( Identically
Configured Identical Hardware duplicate that is powered down ) that you can
power up in the event of an SBServer failure... problem here is that it
wasn't running in Lockstep so won't be current as far as the AD is concerned
so you'll still have to move over System state and Data. .. and then you
have to reconfigure the NICs , but it is quicker.

It all comes down to where the risks are for the business and what are the
DR Priorities.

Remote Cached secondary MX with POP access is probably a good thing is these
days of mission critical e'Mail contact.
That will keep them talking to their critical contacts provided that they
have an accessible copy of the contacts details and internet access via some
other means.
Redundant Internet connections may be a priority.

For my money rather than a replica domain controller you're best off putting
the money into better more redundant hardware, Routers, Power, UPS, HDD,
CPUs, NICs, and a really good backup scenario with full system and data
backups and (remote) off-site storage. Including regular disk imaging after
each change at the "known good" point so if you do need to restore to same
or new iron, you can in the least possible time.

As I tried to point out there isn't "A" best solution.
It's a black are mix that needs inputs, assesments and buy-in from a range
of people in the organisation.
It then needs documenting, testing, tweaking, re-documenting and training so
that those concerned know what to do without panicking when the issue
arrises.
( ...and even the people themselves need to be redundant. It's useless that
Sally who did the DR training (and has the only set of backup tapes) is in
Hawaii -somewhere- on holidays when the power surge set fire to the server
room.)

--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}


"Phantom Lord" <papu[ at ]vodafone.it> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
> "Holz" <none[ at ]none.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:46845a90$0$7995$4c368faf[ at ]roadrunner.com...
>> What would you recommend as the best practice?
>> One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup and
>> disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted to know
>> if
>> there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".
>
> i suggest to have another machine with sbsserver 2003 without sbs
> application, as backup domain controller,
> i suggest to install also dns and dhcp to keep the network working...
>
> because of you may have to install sbs on a new hardware..
>
> if you have a dister, you can promote fsmo roles and global catalog to the
> backup sbs server while you install the new server..
> once installed, you make it a domain controller, tranfer global catalog
> and fsmo roles, and then you can install sbs server again, and restore
> enchange data and so on..
>
>
> --
> Mauro Poletto Lonato (Bs) Italy
> http://blogs.dotnethell.it/papu/
>

Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
studio_two[ at ]hotmail.com 09.07.2007 11:09:19
On 29 Jun, 11:11, "Phantom Lord" <p...[ at ]vodafone.it> wrote:
[Quoted Text]
> "Holz" <n...[ at ]none.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:46845a90$0$7995$4c368faf[ at ]roadrunner.com...
>
> > What would you recommend as the best practice?
> > One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup and
> > disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted to know
> > if
> > there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".

> because of you may have to install sbs on a new hardware..
>
>
> --
> Mauro Poletto Lonato (Bs) Italyhttp://blogs.dotnethell.it/papu/

Hello,

It may be worth pointing out that when buying the OEM Version of SBS,
you can't restore to new hardware. A new SBS license would have to be
purchased in such a scenario.

I'm happy to be corrected on this ...

Stephen

Re: Disaster Recovery / Stand by best practice
"Phantom Lord" <papu[ at ]vodafone.it> 10.07.2007 06:49:39
<studio_two[ at ]hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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[Quoted Text]
> On 29 Jun, 11:11, "Phantom Lord" <p...[ at ]vodafone.it> wrote:
>> "Holz" <n...[ at ]none.com> ha scritto nel
>> messaggionews:46845a90$0$7995$4c368faf[ at ]roadrunner.com...
>>
>> > What would you recommend as the best practice?
>> > One of our clients has the SBS domain, 61 users, with solid backup and
>> > disk imaging in place, 45 GB MDBData directory, they just wanted to
>> > know
>> > if
>> > there is an extra way to protect against machine "death".
>
>> because of you may have to install sbs on a new hardware..

> It may be worth pointing out that when buying the OEM Version of SBS,
> you can't restore to new hardware. A new SBS license would have to be
> purchased in such a scenario.

yes but you can install the sbs server oem that comes with the new
hardware....

--
Mauro Poletto Lonato (Bs) Italy
http://blogs.dotnethell.it/papu/


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