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I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's dealt
with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet
would help me to cope.
My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to Vista
Business through MSDNAA.
I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or less
(as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP
tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be
good?
what are my options?
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"Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:46071432-F196-4373-8CC3-9BDB97B16044[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] >I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's
>dealt
> with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet
> would help me to cope.
>
> My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to
> Vista
> Business through MSDNAA.
>
> I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or
> less
> (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP
> tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be
> good?
>
> what are my options?
Used tablets are about all your going to get, but you can get a nice, if not
too speedy, unit for that.
Try Ebay or www.eritech.com
CS
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Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new Vista
features? (providing they meet the min. requirements)
How are tablets at recognizing coding characters? (such as <>, {},' '," ",
etc) I code a lot and having reduced capacity to type is frustrating.
Thanks so much!
"CS" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > "Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:46071432-F196-4373-8CC3-9BDB97B16044[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's
> >dealt
> > with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet
> > would help me to cope.
> >
> > My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to
> > Vista
> > Business through MSDNAA.
> >
> > I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or
> > less
> > (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP
> > tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be
> > good?
> >
> > what are my options?
>
> Used tablets are about all your going to get, but you can get a nice, if not
> too speedy, unit for that.
>
> Try Ebay or www.eritech.com
>
> CS
>
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Congratulations on heading back to school, Luke. I hope that means that the
cancer is at least in remission.
Gateway has a new model - 12" widescreen with a built-in optical drive.
Price point is within your budget. It runs Windows Vista well and has a
much better experience with ink that its predecessor as Gateway has moved to
Wacom.
I have some photos of it -
http://thetabletpc.net/news-winhec2007=article0516071.htm that I managed to
grab at WinHEC. It's worth a look!
--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Featured Community
http://thetabletpc.net
Forums - http://forums.mobilepcworld.net
Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC
"Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:46071432-F196-4373-8CC3-9BDB97B16044[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] >I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's
>dealt
> with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet
> would help me to cope.
>
> My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to
> Vista
> Business through MSDNAA.
>
> I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or
> less
> (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP
> tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be
> good?
>
> what are my options?
>
>
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>> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new
Vista features? <<
At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice.
When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily on
XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems
unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the
other apps out there which vista can't handle.
>> typing is slow <<
Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address input
problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics
of the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those
details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs.
If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be similar
problems with handwriting or other input options.
Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an
option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro
program is another possibility.
Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
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I have to point out that the handwriting recognition is better in Windows
Vista and only Vista includes the option to train it. That could be a big
decision factor for the OP.
I've used many different Tablets and I've been upgrading to Windows Vista on
any that meet the specs. When I have to go back to XP to check a problem
for someone, I can't wait to get back to Vista.
--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Featured Community
http://thetabletpc.net
Forums - http://forums.mobilepcworld.net
Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC
"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
message news:u0PQ$DutHHA.3588[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text] > >> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new
> Vista features? <<
>
> At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice.
>
> When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily on
> XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems
> unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the
> other apps out there which vista can't handle.
>
> >> typing is slow <<
>
> Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address input
> problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics of
> the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those
> details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs.
>
> If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be similar
> problems with handwriting or other input options.
>
> Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an
> option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro
> program is another possibility.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>
>
>
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Sure, I don't mind talking about it, I just did not want to be too wordy.
I had a brain tumour which grew in the thalamic region of my brain, slightly
to the left. It was killed thankfully by radiation, which also nearly killed
me (but that's another story.) The end result is i have very reduced
sensation and dexterity on my entire right side.
The effect on my typing is not complete disability, but rather quite
extreme, I cannot feel if I am pressing keys with my right or not, unless i
look.
My Left has not altered noticeably, and I was left handed before all this,
so i am managing quite well, but typing is a definite pain area.
"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > >> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new
> Vista features? <<
>
> At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice.
>
> When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily on
> XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems
> unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the
> other apps out there which vista can't handle.
>
> >> typing is slow <<
>
> Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address input
> problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics
> of the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those
> details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs.
>
> If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be similar
> problems with handwriting or other input options.
>
> Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an
> option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro
> program is another possibility.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>
>
>
>
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Yes, this, and the fact it is included in my msdnaa package drove me to ask
for suggestions.
how about the HP? TC4400 ?
I am not too concerned with power, i have a reasonably powerful desktop, but
I will want to do some coding on the go, As design and programming is my area
of study.
"terri" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I have to point out that the handwriting recognition is better in Windows > Vista and only Vista includes the option to train it. That could be a big > decision factor for the OP. > > I've used many different Tablets and I've been upgrading to Windows Vista on > any that meet the specs. When I have to go back to XP to check a problem > for someone, I can't wait to get back to Vista. > -- > Terri Stratton > Microsoft Featured Community > http://thetabletpc.net> Forums - http://forums.mobilepcworld.net> Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC > > "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in > message news:u0PQ$DutHHA.3588[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > >> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new > > Vista features? << > > > > At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice. > > > > When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily on > > XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems > > unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the > > other apps out there which vista can't handle. > > > > >> typing is slow << > > > > Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address input > > problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics of > > the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those > > details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs. > > > > If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be similar > > problems with handwriting or other input options. > > > > Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an > > option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro > > program is another possibility. > > > > Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] > > > > > > > > |
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I have actually never used OneNote 2003, only 2007 which i find is pretty
good, I have also used OneNote Mobile, though i was non-plused about it.
"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > >> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new
> Vista features? <<
>
> At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice.
>
> When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily on
> XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems
> unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the
> other apps out there which vista can't handle.
>
> >> typing is slow <<
>
> Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address input
> problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics
> of the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those
> details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs.
>
> If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be similar
> problems with handwriting or other input options.
>
> Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an
> option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro
> program is another possibility.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>
>
>
>
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I have a HP TC4400 and love it. The keys make a good clatter sound when you
type so that may help you too!
OneNote 2007 on XP is fine on my machine. I scribble quite badly but
OneNote copes well.
Judy Gleeson
MVP Outlook
Outlook trainer and author of Productiv_IT with Outlook
read my articles here: www.judygleeson.com
www.acorntraining.com.au
Canberra, Australia
Joseph Joubert
To teach is to learn twice.
"Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EE744AF1-37D7-4F7F-BFA3-9D2AC63E8A2B[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > Yes, this, and the fact it is included in my msdnaa package drove me to > ask > for suggestions. > > how about the HP? TC4400 ? > > > I am not too concerned with power, i have a reasonably powerful desktop, > but > I will want to do some coding on the go, As design and programming is my > area > of study. > > > "terri" wrote: > >> I have to point out that the handwriting recognition is better in >> Windows >> Vista and only Vista includes the option to train it. That could be a >> big >> decision factor for the OP. >> >> I've used many different Tablets and I've been upgrading to Windows Vista >> on >> any that meet the specs. When I have to go back to XP to check a problem >> for someone, I can't wait to get back to Vista. >> -- >> Terri Stratton >> Microsoft Featured Community >> http://thetabletpc.net>> Forums - http://forums.mobilepcworld.net>> Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC >> >> "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in >> message news:u0PQ$DutHHA.3588[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > >> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new >> > Vista features? << >> > >> > At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice. >> > >> > When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily >> > on >> > XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems >> > unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the >> > other apps out there which vista can't handle. >> > >> > >> typing is slow << >> > >> > Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address >> > input >> > problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics >> > of >> > the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those >> > details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs. >> > >> > If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be >> > similar >> > problems with handwriting or other input options. >> > >> > Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an >> > option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro >> > program is another possibility. >> > >> > Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] >> > >> > >> > >> >>
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Sounds like you have a lot more experience than most, and with Terri's
post, vista might be the way to go.
>> Left handed <<
All things considered, that's great news.
I'm also assuming that the problem is not "locating the keys in any way?"
Some thoughts to this point.
>> I cannot feel if I am pressing keys with my right or not, unless i
look. <<
Turning on keyboard audio feedback... needs to be a non intrusive sound
such as muted old time keyboard sounds, but, from experience, makes a
big difference when typing to get the audio feedback.
this used to be "settable" but appears to have disappeared... the only
win possibility I found which appears to relate to hardware keyboards was at
http://www.spinner.nl/products/winmapper/features/function_163.html
but hope that someone knows other options such as a registry setting for
this... I use one BT keyboard for the PocketPC which has clicks as part
of the driver and the feedback is indispensable
one for the mac which might help a search
http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/more/typewriter_keyboard_32_mini_review_hands_on_mac/
I also when through the accessibility wizard and was surprised to not
find any option there.
>> coding on the go <<
If you don't use an editor with syntax highlighting, it's worth the
effort to set up or transition to an editor that offeres it... in
addition to instantly flagging keyword typo's, many deal with "bracket
grouping" which highlights missed open/close delimiters.
Since coding syntax is so damm unforgiving together with the fact that
pen input, especially symbols, can be iffy, wonder out loud if learning
to let the left hand do more might be an option.
Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
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i just bought a gateway tablet 2 days ago. $1099. So far ok.
"Luke" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's dealt
> with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet
> would help me to cope.
>
> My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to Vista
> Business through MSDNAA.
>
> I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or less
> (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP
> tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be
> good?
>
> what are my options?
>
>
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"Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:49CCE6C1-BA79-4C69-8410-BFDB8787E167[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new Vista
> features? (providing they meet the min. requirements)
>
> How are tablets at recognizing coding characters? (such as <>, {},' ',"
> ",
> etc) I code a lot and having reduced capacity to type is frustrating.
>
> Thanks so much!
I wish I could tell you. I only recently went from a Windows 2000 pen
computer to an XP Tablet. I'm sure there are experts here who can tell you
more about Vista on a pen tablet, but from my experiences with Vista on a
laptop, I can tell you a lot of software for 2000/XP simply won't work on
Vista. If you have something you simply can't live without, I highly
recommend actually trying it out on a Vista laptop or tablet before
committing to Vista. Keep in mind Vista will almost certainly run slower
than XP on a given system. Also, memory and hard drive upgrades for some
tablets can be exceedingly hard to come by, and may be very expensive.
I know Fujitsu has at least one Vista tablet. I have the older XP version,
P1510D, which cost just over $1000 from www.eritech.com refurbished. The
Vista P1610 seems to be the exact same thing, except newer and with Vista.
It's small, has great battery life, fairly quick, and flips over to reveal a
somewhat smallish keyboard, which is handy for occasional typing. My only
gripe is the cost of upgrades, which as I mentioned, is very expensive.
Larger tablets most likely use the same stuff as laptops, which is cheap and
easy to get.
I've been without the use of my hand for several months, during which I
learned how to type fairly well with one hand, though it would have been a
bit easier with this smaller keyboard. I couldn't reach the same speed as
writing, but even with today's handwriting recognition, I doubt it would
have made much difference. My writing sucks.
CS
> "CS" wrote:
>
>> "Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:46071432-F196-4373-8CC3-9BDB97B16044[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's
>> >dealt
>> > with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a
>> > tablet
>> > would help me to cope.
>> >
>> > My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to
>> > Vista
>> > Business through MSDNAA.
>> >
>> > I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or
>> > less
>> > (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a
>> > XP
>> > tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience
>> > be
>> > good?
>> >
>> > what are my options?
>>
>> Used tablets are about all your going to get, but you can get a nice, if
>> not
>> too speedy, unit for that.
>>
>> Try Ebay or www.eritech.com
>>
>> CS
>>
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You could try the dvorak simplified keyboard for left handed use. Its in the
regional and language settings.
"Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:21DEB8BA-555A-4825-BE44-5B2166277017[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] > Sure, I don't mind talking about it, I just did not want to be too wordy.
>
> I had a brain tumour which grew in the thalamic region of my brain,
> slightly
> to the left. It was killed thankfully by radiation, which also nearly
> killed
> me (but that's another story.) The end result is i have very reduced
> sensation and dexterity on my entire right side.
>
> The effect on my typing is not complete disability, but rather quite
> extreme, I cannot feel if I am pressing keys with my right or not, unless
> i
> look.
>
> My Left has not altered noticeably, and I was left handed before all this,
> so i am managing quite well, but typing is a definite pain area.
>
> "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" wrote:
>
>> >> Can most XP designed tablets work fully and properly with the new
>> Vista features? <<
>>
>> At this point in time I personally think XP is a better choice.
>>
>> When the current Onenote version was in beta it was running primarily on
>> XP and the reports were pretty good... doubt if you will have problems
>> unless an app is "vista specific" and many less problem with all of the
>> other apps out there which vista can't handle.
>>
>> >> typing is slow <<
>>
>> Don't want to pry, but having worked with several cases to address input
>> problems, it would help a lot if you could say more about the specifics
>> of the problem and how the they might impact handwriting. Knowing those
>> details will probably help get better answers to meet your needs.
>>
>> If typing is a problem, I have to anticipate that there might be similar
>> problems with handwriting or other input options.
>>
>> Speech recognition also comes to mind as something that might be an
>> option. Spending some time building macros to use with a good macro
>> program is another possibility.
>>
>> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I wanted to point out that someone mentioned you would only get a used
tablet for that but Gateway has a 14" convertible with Vista starting at
$1100 with great specs. I have the older model of that which had a FinePoint
digitizer and I would not recommend that one but this new one has a Wacom
digitizer which means its probably an excellent tablet. Other than the
FinePoint issue I am very happy with this model.
http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529666090.php
--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
"Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:46071432-F196-4373-8CC3-9BDB97B16044[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text] >I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's
>dealt
> with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet
> would help me to cope.
>
> My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to
> Vista
> Business through MSDNAA.
>
> I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or
> less
> (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP
> tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be
> good?
>
> what are my options?
>
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of course if you need a laptop, I'm out of line...
Just a thought, why not buy a Wacom digitizer and plug on your powerful
desktop and run Vista on it with tablet features.
--
tpc fan
"Josh Einstein" wrote:
[Quoted Text] > I wanted to point out that someone mentioned you would only get a used > tablet for that but Gateway has a 14" convertible with Vista starting at > $1100 with great specs. I have the older model of that which had a FinePoint > digitizer and I would not recommend that one but this new one has a Wacom > digitizer which means its probably an excellent tablet. Other than the > FinePoint issue I am very happy with this model. > > http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529666090.php> > -- > Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP) > Einstein Technologies > Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com > > > "Luke" <Luke[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:46071432-F196-4373-8CC3-9BDB97B16044[ at ]microsoft.com... > >I am returning to school after cancer made me drop out, now that that's > >dealt > > with i'd like a tablet, since typing is now very slow. I think a tablet > > would help me to cope. > > > > My writing is pretty messy, and i really like Vista. I have access to > > Vista > > Business through MSDNAA. > > > > I am on a relatively fixed income, and am looking to spend 1,400 USD or > > less > > (as little as possible). Aero on the tablet is not important to me, a XP > > tablet upgraded to Vista Business would be fine, but will my experience be > > good? > > > > what are my options? > > > > > |
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