recovery from power failure "Dave" <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> 06.07.2007 10:46:58 w2k3 standard in workgroup configuration serving my home network and web site... i have 2 problems with power failures, besides having them in the first place. First when power is restored the server starts the services ok, but then displays a dialog for someone to enter the reason for the unexpected shutdown... this prevents it automatically logging in and starting the user mode programs that i really want it to run. is there any way to bypass that dialog?? Next, this is an hp proliant server. i have windows set to shutdown at 10% battery on the ups. when it shutstdown it doesn't seem to close any programs, it just goes away... this is ok as everything seems to restart ok. but then if power is restored before the ups actually dies (now with no-load so it lasts quite a while) the server doesn't recognize the power restoration so doesn't reboot. i think the only answer is to let the ups die and pull the plug that way instead of letting windows shutdown. since the power monitor in windows doesn't seem to do much this doesn't look like much of a change.

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> 07.07.2007 02:36:36 http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/e0e30041-ba0a-480f-8a15-a6adff4a32761033.mspx?mfr=true You can download the tools here. Also be aware that not all applications can run as a service. Instsrv.exe Srvany.exe http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en Get some UPS software to handle this issue. http://www.apcc.com/tools/download/software_comp.cfm?sw_sku=SFPCBE705&id=125&family=&part_num=&swfam=125 -- Regards, Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. Microsoft Certified Professional Microsoft MVP [Windows] http://www.microsoft.com/protect "Dave" wrote: [Quoted Text] > w2k3 standard in workgroup configuration serving my home network and web > site... i have 2 problems with power failures, besides having them in the > first place. > > First when power is restored the server starts the services ok, but then > displays a dialog for someone to enter the reason for the unexpected > shutdown... this prevents it automatically logging in and starting the > user mode programs that i really want it to run. is there any way to > bypass that dialog?? > > Next, this is an hp proliant server. i have windows set to shutdown at > 10% battery on the ups. when it shutstdown it doesn't seem to close any > programs, it just goes away... this is ok as everything seems to restart > ok. but then if power is restored before the ups actually dies (now with > no-load so it lasts quite a while) the server doesn't recognize the power > restoration so doesn't reboot. i think the only answer is to let the ups > die and pull the plug that way instead of letting windows shutdown. since > the power monitor in windows doesn't seem to do much this doesn't look > like much of a change. >

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave" <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> 07.07.2007 12:59:16 shutting down is not the problem, windows handles that ok. i did find that disabling the shutdown event tracker in the gp does also stop it from showing up when rebooting after a power failure. so getting past that is no problem now. the ugly part is that in order to get it to restart reliably i have to wait until the ups goes dead and let it pull the plug out from under windows. If i let windows shutdown the computer when it gets the low battery indication from the ups the bios won't restart unless the power is off long enough for the (now unloaded) ups to shutdown itself. if the ups keeps power on the shutdown computer's supply it has no way to recognize that power has been restored to initiate a reboot. "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message news:A9A47EF6-CFF8-48FC-B9BA-F49B1B71896B[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/e0e30041-ba0a-480f-8a15-a6adff4a32761033.mspx?mfr=true > > You can download the tools here. Also be aware that not all applications > can run as a service. > > Instsrv.exe > Srvany.exe > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en > > > Get some UPS software to handle this issue. > http://www.apcc.com/tools/download/software_comp.cfm?sw_sku=SFPCBE705&id=125&family=&part_num=&swfam=125 > > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. > Microsoft Certified Professional > Microsoft MVP [Windows] > http://www.microsoft.com/protect > > "Dave" wrote: >> w2k3 standard in workgroup configuration serving my home network and web >> site... i have 2 problems with power failures, besides having them in the >> first place. >> >> First when power is restored the server starts the services ok, but then >> displays a dialog for someone to enter the reason for the unexpected >> shutdown... this prevents it automatically logging in and starting the >> user mode programs that i really want it to run. is there any way to >> bypass that dialog?? >> >> Next, this is an hp proliant server. i have windows set to shutdown at >> 10% battery on the ups. when it shutstdown it doesn't seem to close any >> programs, it just goes away... this is ok as everything seems to restart >> ok. but then if power is restored before the ups actually dies (now with >> no-load so it lasts quite a while) the server doesn't recognize the power >> restoration so doesn't reboot. i think the only answer is to let the ups >> die and pull the plug that way instead of letting windows shutdown. >> since the power monitor in windows doesn't seem to do much this doesn't >> look like much of a change. >> >

Re: recovery from power failure "Jeffrey Tadlock" <news.notmonitored[ at ]elfshadow.net> 07.07.2007 21:43:21 "Dave" <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> wrote in message [Quoted Text] > First when power is restored the server starts the services ok, but then > displays a dialog for someone to enter the reason for the unexpected > shutdown... this prevents it automatically logging in and starting the > user mode programs that i really want it to run. is there any way to > bypass that dialog?? The following article should help with this portion of the problem: Enabling or disabling Shutdown Event Tracker http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/e0e30041-ba0a-480f-8a15-a6adff4a32761033.mspx?mfr=true --Jeffrey

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> 08.07.2007 00:59:59 That was why I made the last comment. -- Regards, Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. Microsoft Certified Professional Microsoft MVP [Windows] http://www.microsoft.com/protect "Dave" wrote: [Quoted Text] > shutting down is not the problem, windows handles that ok. i did find > that disabling the shutdown event tracker in the gp does also stop it from > showing up when rebooting after a power failure. so getting past that is > no problem now. > > the ugly part is that in order to get it to restart reliably i have to > wait until the ups goes dead and let it pull the plug out from under > windows. If i let windows shutdown the computer when it gets the low > battery indication from the ups the bios won't restart unless the power is > off long enough for the (now unloaded) ups to shutdown itself. if the ups > keeps power on the shutdown computer's supply it has no way to recognize > that power has been restored to initiate a reboot.

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave" <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> 08.07.2007 12:09:00 i guess i'm missing something then. i have run apc's software on other systems, it handles shutdowns nicer than windows, but that isn't the problem now. the problem is that if windows shuts down before the ups dies (thus stopping the apc software), then the hp bios can't restart it when the power comes back because they never see the power go away in the first place. This is probably more of a ups/bios problem than windows at this point, but i have gotten it to work by turning off the server side battery monitoring so the ups pulls the plug when it dies, then the server sees the power return when the ups comes back on. a smarter ups would probably be the right thing to have. "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message news:79DBCD41-3870-4DCE-9B7D-9E0F9E589916[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > That was why I made the last comment. > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. > Microsoft Certified Professional > Microsoft MVP [Windows] > http://www.microsoft.com/protect > > "Dave" wrote: >> shutting down is not the problem, windows handles that ok. i did find >> that disabling the shutdown event tracker in the gp does also stop it >> from showing up when rebooting after a power failure. so getting past >> that is no problem now. >> >> the ugly part is that in order to get it to restart reliably i have to >> wait until the ups goes dead and let it pull the plug out from under >> windows. If i let windows shutdown the computer when it gets the low >> battery indication from the ups the bios won't restart unless the power >> is off long enough for the (now unloaded) ups to shutdown itself. if the >> ups keeps power on the shutdown computer's supply it has no way to >> recognize that power has been restored to initiate a reboot. >

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> 08.07.2007 14:10:21 Maybe this helps. http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1720&p_created=1010390400&p_sid=SVRRL4Gi&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NjkmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXJlc3RhcnQ*&p_li=&p_topview=1 -- Regards, Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. Microsoft Certified Professional Microsoft MVP [Windows] http://www.microsoft.com/protect "Dave" wrote: [Quoted Text] >i guess i'm missing something then. i have run apc's software on other >systems, it handles shutdowns nicer than windows, but that isn't the >problem now. the problem is that if windows shuts down before the ups dies >(thus stopping the apc software), then the hp bios can't restart it when >the power comes back because they never see the power go away in the first >place. This is probably more of a ups/bios problem than windows at this >point, but i have gotten it to work by turning off the server side battery >monitoring so the ups pulls the plug when it dies, then the server sees the >power return when the ups comes back on. a smarter ups would probably be >the right thing to have.

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave" <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> 08.07.2007 15:21:32 nope, thats not the case either. my problem is when the power comes back after the computer shuts down on low battery, but before the ups shuts down.... which can be quite a long time once the computer load is removed. also my ups is connected via usb, I don't remember seeing any kind of 'start on usb' in the bios... that wouldn't make much sense since usb devices are often powered from the computer so the hub probably doesn't have power to sense anything anyway. "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message news:9F493356-2C83-4793-AE9B-D7CCBD6BEEDC[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Maybe this helps. > > http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1720&p_created=1010390400&p_sid=SVRRL4Gi&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NjkmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXJlc3RhcnQ*&p_li=&p_topview=1 > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. > Microsoft Certified Professional > Microsoft MVP [Windows] > http://www.microsoft.com/protect > > "Dave" wrote: >>i guess i'm missing something then. i have run apc's software on other >>systems, it handles shutdowns nicer than windows, but that isn't the >>problem now. the problem is that if windows shuts down before the ups >>dies (thus stopping the apc software), then the hp bios can't restart it >>when the power comes back because they never see the power go away in the >>first place. This is probably more of a ups/bios problem than windows at >>this point, but i have gotten it to work by turning off the server side >>battery monitoring so the ups pulls the plug when it dies, then the server >>sees the power return when the ups comes back on. a smarter ups would >>probably be the right thing to have. >

Re: recovery from power failure "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" <lanwench[ at ]heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> 09.07.2007 13:33:33 Dave <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] > nope, thats not the case either. my problem is when the power comes > back after the computer shuts down on low battery, but before the ups > shuts down.... which can be quite a long time once the computer load > is removed. also my ups is connected via usb, I don't remember seeing > any kind of 'start on usb' in the bios... that wouldn't make much > sense since usb devices are often powered from the computer so the > hub probably doesn't have power to sense anything anyway. Jumping in here; my apologies if I'm off base, but if you use the APC software (latest version of PowerChute) and your server's BIOS can support it, the software/UPS will restart the server when the power comes back up (or when the battery has been recharged to n%). This works fine in every setup I've got, whether using serial or USB connectivity. No hub....direct connectivity only. > > "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message > news:9F493356-2C83-4793-AE9B-D7CCBD6BEEDC[ at ]microsoft.com... >> Maybe this helps. >> >> http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1720&p_created=1010390400&p_sid=SVRRL4Gi&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NjkmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXJlc3RhcnQ*&p_li=&p_topview=1 >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. >> Microsoft Certified Professional >> Microsoft MVP [Windows] >> http://www.microsoft.com/protect >> >> "Dave" wrote: >>> i guess i'm missing something then. i have run apc's software on >>> other systems, it handles shutdowns nicer than windows, but that >>> isn't the problem now. the problem is that if windows shuts down >>> before the ups dies (thus stopping the apc software), then the hp >>> bios can't restart it when the power comes back because they never >>> see the power go away in the first place. This is probably more of >>> a ups/bios problem than windows at this point, but i have gotten it >>> to work by turning off the server side battery monitoring so the >>> ups pulls the plug when it dies, then the server sees the power >>> return when the ups comes back on. a smarter ups would probably be >>> the right thing to have.

Re: recovery from power failure "Dave" <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> 10.07.2007 21:52:51 "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" <lanwench[ at ]heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message news:uHytv6iwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Dave <noone[ at ]nowhere.com> wrote: >> nope, thats not the case either. my problem is when the power comes >> back after the computer shuts down on low battery, but before the ups >> shuts down.... which can be quite a long time once the computer load >> is removed. also my ups is connected via usb, I don't remember seeing >> any kind of 'start on usb' in the bios... that wouldn't make much >> sense since usb devices are often powered from the computer so the >> hub probably doesn't have power to sense anything anyway. > > Jumping in here; my apologies if I'm off base, but if you use the APC > software (latest version of PowerChute) and your server's BIOS can support > it, the software/UPS will restart the server when the power comes back up > (or when the battery has been recharged to n%). This works fine in every > setup I've got, whether using serial or USB connectivity. No hub....direct > connectivity only. > >> >> "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick[ at ]nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:9F493356-2C83-4793-AE9B-D7CCBD6BEEDC[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> Maybe this helps. >>> >>> http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1720&p_created=1010390400&p_sid=SVRRL4Gi&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NjkmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXJlc3RhcnQ*&p_li=&p_topview=1 >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. >>> Microsoft Certified Professional >>> Microsoft MVP [Windows] >>> http://www.microsoft.com/protect >>> >>> "Dave" wrote: >>>> i guess i'm missing something then. i have run apc's software on >>>> other systems, it handles shutdowns nicer than windows, but that >>>> isn't the problem now. the problem is that if windows shuts down >>>> before the ups dies (thus stopping the apc software), then the hp >>>> bios can't restart it when the power comes back because they never >>>> see the power go away in the first place. This is probably more of >>>> a ups/bios problem than windows at this point, but i have gotten it >>>> to work by turning off the server side battery monitoring so the >>>> ups pulls the plug when it dies, then the server sees the power >>>> return when the ups comes back on. a smarter ups would probably be >>>> the right thing to have. > > > ok, i'll have to check the bios the next time i reboot for patches... this isn't something that happens often, but of course it happens when no one is around to press the on button.