Do i need backend storage to cluster? Ari 08.07.2007 18:20:00 Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without a backend storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive itself?

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? "Chuck [MSFT]" <ctimon[ at ]online.microsoft.com> 08.07.2007 18:45:21 Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for that...nothing else does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. -- Chuck Timon, Jr. Microsoft Corporation Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without a > backend > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive itself?

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? Ari 08.07.2007 20:04:00 Thanks, When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything that gets replicated constantly beetween the two servers? "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for that...nothing else > does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. > > -- > Chuck Timon, Jr. > Microsoft Corporation > Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team > This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without a > > backend > > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive itself? >

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? "Chuck [MSFT]" <ctimon[ at ]online.microsoft.com> 08.07.2007 23:46:14 The only thing that is kept in synch is the configuration of the cluster. The data is located on the shared storage which is hosted inside of the cluster as a physical disk resource. The physical disk resource is located inside a resource group, which, at a minimum will contain a Network Name, IP Address, file Share and Physical Disk resource. This group moves freely between the nodes of the cluster either as a result of a problem on one node or because the administrator moves it. -- Chuck Timon, Jr. Microsoft Corporation Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A71D479A-53A1-40AD-AD5E-46A031181241[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Thanks, > > When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything that gets > replicated constantly beetween the two servers? > > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: > >> Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for that...nothing else >> does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. >> >> -- >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >> Microsoft Corporation >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without a >> > backend >> > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive >> > itself? >>

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? Ari 09.07.2007 00:14:00 if i cluster a web server running iis and the data is stored on a san if i make a configuration change to a setting in iis, how will this setting replicate so if this server goes down the other server in the cluster has all the right settings. "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > The only thing that is kept in synch is the configuration of the cluster. > The data is located on the shared storage which is hosted inside of the > cluster as a physical disk resource. The physical disk resource is located > inside a resource group, which, at a minimum will contain a Network Name, IP > Address, file Share and Physical Disk resource. This group moves freely > between the nodes of the cluster either as a result of a problem on one node > or because the administrator moves it. > > -- > Chuck Timon, Jr. > Microsoft Corporation > Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team > This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:A71D479A-53A1-40AD-AD5E-46A031181241[ at ]microsoft.com... > > Thanks, > > > > When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything that gets > > replicated constantly beetween the two servers? > > > > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: > > > >> Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for that...nothing else > >> does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. > >> > >> -- > >> Chuck Timon, Jr. > >> Microsoft Corporation > >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team > >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > >> rights. > >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without a > >> > backend > >> > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive > >> > itself? > >> >

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? "Chuck [MSFT]" <ctimon[ at ]online.microsoft.com> 09.07.2007 11:33:14 The reommendation for high availability for IIS is NLB not server clustering. All we do for IIS is run a Generic Script which is essentially an ISAlive\LooksAlive process. It has nothing to do with the configuration of the website oir FTP site. -- Chuck Timon, Jr. Microsoft Corporation Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FE896F07-35C2-4E91-A042-AAFD6AF8E4D7[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > if i cluster a web server running iis and the data is stored on a san if i > make a configuration change to a setting in iis, how will this setting > replicate so if this server goes down the other server in the cluster has > all > the right settings. > > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: > >> The only thing that is kept in synch is the configuration of the cluster. >> The data is located on the shared storage which is hosted inside of the >> cluster as a physical disk resource. The physical disk resource is >> located >> inside a resource group, which, at a minimum will contain a Network Name, >> IP >> Address, file Share and Physical Disk resource. This group moves freely >> between the nodes of the cluster either as a result of a problem on one >> node >> or because the administrator moves it. >> >> -- >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >> Microsoft Corporation >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:A71D479A-53A1-40AD-AD5E-46A031181241[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > Thanks, >> > >> > When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything that >> > gets >> > replicated constantly beetween the two servers? >> > >> > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: >> > >> >> Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for that...nothing >> >> else >> >> does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >> >> Microsoft Corporation >> >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >> >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> >> rights. >> >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without >> >> > a >> >> > backend >> >> > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive >> >> > itself? >> >> >>

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? Ari 09.07.2007 15:16:03 Sorry with all my questions im kinda new to this in general not only iis if i have a cluster and i make a configuration change on the application running on the node how dose this setting replicate to the other node in the cluster? for instance a print server and i change a driver on a printer or even rename it will this replicate to the other node in the cluster? "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: [Quoted Text] > The reommendation for high availability for IIS is NLB not server > clustering. All we do for IIS is run a Generic Script which is essentially > an ISAlive\LooksAlive process. It has nothing to do with the configuration > of the website oir FTP site. > > -- > Chuck Timon, Jr. > Microsoft Corporation > Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team > This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:FE896F07-35C2-4E91-A042-AAFD6AF8E4D7[ at ]microsoft.com... > > if i cluster a web server running iis and the data is stored on a san if i > > make a configuration change to a setting in iis, how will this setting > > replicate so if this server goes down the other server in the cluster has > > all > > the right settings. > > > > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: > > > >> The only thing that is kept in synch is the configuration of the cluster. > >> The data is located on the shared storage which is hosted inside of the > >> cluster as a physical disk resource. The physical disk resource is > >> located > >> inside a resource group, which, at a minimum will contain a Network Name, > >> IP > >> Address, file Share and Physical Disk resource. This group moves freely > >> between the nodes of the cluster either as a result of a problem on one > >> node > >> or because the administrator moves it. > >> > >> -- > >> Chuck Timon, Jr. > >> Microsoft Corporation > >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team > >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > >> rights. > >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:A71D479A-53A1-40AD-AD5E-46A031181241[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything that > >> > gets > >> > replicated constantly beetween the two servers? > >> > > >> > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for that...nothing > >> >> else > >> >> does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Chuck Timon, Jr. > >> >> Microsoft Corporation > >> >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team > >> >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > >> >> rights. > >> >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... > >> >> > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without > >> >> > a > >> >> > backend > >> >> > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive > >> >> > itself? > >> >> > >> >

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> 09.07.2007 15:21:11 With Windows Server 2003 clustering - yes. Print clusters with Windows Server 2000 did not do that though. Cheers, Rodney R. Fournier MVP - Windows Server - Clustering http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6969E039-8B92-4E70-B6DE-D9528BA40C1D[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Sorry with all my questions im kinda new to this > > in general not only iis if i have a cluster and i make a configuration > change on the application running on the node how dose this setting > replicate > to the other node in the cluster? > > for instance a print server and i change a driver on a printer or even > rename it will this replicate to the other node in the cluster? > > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: > >> The reommendation for high availability for IIS is NLB not server >> clustering. All we do for IIS is run a Generic Script which is >> essentially >> an ISAlive\LooksAlive process. It has nothing to do with the >> configuration >> of the website oir FTP site. >> >> -- >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >> Microsoft Corporation >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:FE896F07-35C2-4E91-A042-AAFD6AF8E4D7[ at ]microsoft.com... >> > if i cluster a web server running iis and the data is stored on a san >> > if i >> > make a configuration change to a setting in iis, how will this setting >> > replicate so if this server goes down the other server in the cluster >> > has >> > all >> > the right settings. >> > >> > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: >> > >> >> The only thing that is kept in synch is the configuration of the >> >> cluster. >> >> The data is located on the shared storage which is hosted inside of >> >> the >> >> cluster as a physical disk resource. The physical disk resource is >> >> located >> >> inside a resource group, which, at a minimum will contain a Network >> >> Name, >> >> IP >> >> Address, file Share and Physical Disk resource. This group moves >> >> freely >> >> between the nodes of the cluster either as a result of a problem on >> >> one >> >> node >> >> or because the administrator moves it. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >> >> Microsoft Corporation >> >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >> >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> >> rights. >> >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:A71D479A-53A1-40AD-AD5E-46A031181241[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> > When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything >> >> > that >> >> > gets >> >> > replicated constantly beetween the two servers? >> >> > >> >> > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for >> >> >> that...nothing >> >> >> else >> >> >> does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >> >> >> Microsoft Corporation >> >> >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >> >> >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> >> >> rights. >> >> >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange >> >> >> > without >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > backend >> >> >> > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive >> >> >> > itself? >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? "John Fullbright" <fjohn[ at ]donotspamenetappdotcom> 09.07.2007 18:13:35 In Exchange 2007, you can use MNS quorum and the CCR replication. In Exchange 2003, you need shared storage unless you use a third party replication product. If you go the third party route, you need to be aware of the MS support policy for replication of Exchange data. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895847/en-us "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange without a > backend > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server drive itself?

Re: Do i need backend storage to cluster? "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> 09.07.2007 18:35:34 Also, if you just want to explore the capabilities and configurations with clustering without committing to external storage first, you can use Virtual Server to set-up a 2-node MSCS cluster...read all about it here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/virtualserver/deploy/cvs2005.mspx -- Ryan Sokolowski MVP - Windows Server - Clustering MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in message news:%23J1CJzjwHHA.3588[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > With Windows Server 2003 clustering - yes. Print clusters with Windows > Server 2000 did not do that though. > > Cheers, > > Rodney R. Fournier > > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering > http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website > http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog > http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training > ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner > > > "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:6969E039-8B92-4E70-B6DE-D9528BA40C1D[ at ]microsoft.com... >> Sorry with all my questions im kinda new to this >> >> in general not only iis if i have a cluster and i make a configuration >> change on the application running on the node how dose this setting >> replicate >> to the other node in the cluster? >> >> for instance a print server and i change a driver on a printer or even >> rename it will this replicate to the other node in the cluster? >> >> "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: >> >>> The reommendation for high availability for IIS is NLB not server >>> clustering. All we do for IIS is run a Generic Script which is >>> essentially >>> an ISAlive\LooksAlive process. It has nothing to do with the >>> configuration >>> of the website oir FTP site. >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Timon, Jr. >>> Microsoft Corporation >>> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >>> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >>> rights. >>> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:FE896F07-35C2-4E91-A042-AAFD6AF8E4D7[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> > if i cluster a web server running iis and the data is stored on a san >>> > if i >>> > make a configuration change to a setting in iis, how will this setting >>> > replicate so if this server goes down the other server in the cluster >>> > has >>> > all >>> > the right settings. >>> > >>> > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: >>> > >>> >> The only thing that is kept in synch is the configuration of the >>> >> cluster. >>> >> The data is located on the shared storage which is hosted inside of >>> >> the >>> >> cluster as a physical disk resource. The physical disk resource is >>> >> located >>> >> inside a resource group, which, at a minimum will contain a Network >>> >> Name, >>> >> IP >>> >> Address, file Share and Physical Disk resource. This group moves >>> >> freely >>> >> between the nodes of the cluster either as a result of a problem on >>> >> one >>> >> node >>> >> or because the administrator moves it. >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >>> >> Microsoft Corporation >>> >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >>> >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >>> >> rights. >>> >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> >> news:A71D479A-53A1-40AD-AD5E-46A031181241[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> >> > Thanks, >>> >> > >>> >> > When doing a normal cluster like a file server is there anything >>> >> > that >>> >> > gets >>> >> > replicated constantly beetween the two servers? >>> >> > >>> >> > "Chuck [MSFT]" wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Exchange 2007 running in CCR configuration allows for >>> >> >> that...nothing >>> >> >> else >>> >> >> does...that is a 'certified' HCL solution that is. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> Chuck Timon, Jr. >>> >> >> Microsoft Corporation >>> >> >> Windows Server 2008 Readiness Team >>> >> >> This posting is provided 'AS IS" with no warranties, and confers >>> >> >> no >>> >> >> rights. >>> >> >> "Ari" <Ari[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> >> >> news:1B2CFF1B-31D4-4B44-9837-3226D16C6488[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> >> >> > Is it possible to cluster like two file servers or exchange >>> >> >> > without >>> >> >> > a >>> >> >> > backend >>> >> >> > storage device i wana be able to keep my data on the server >>> >> >> > drive >>> >> >> > itself? >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> > >