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Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
THemmerling 10.07.2007 20:08:01
I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003 with SP1
and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the same base
OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines should
happily co-exist.

Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has not
shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has messed up on
machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.

The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2 weeks so we
have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one server
operates versus the other.

One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and the other
has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware would
cause any issues???

By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of the Oracle
cluster add on's, etc.

Thanks
Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> 10.07.2007 20:39:14
R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came from R2
and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but you might
have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes to be
different OS levels.

Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad idea. Awful in
fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!

I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two issues, you are
probably doing that wrong too :) He he.

Cheers,

Rodney R. Fournier

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner


"THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003 with SP1
> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the same
> base
> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines should
> happily co-exist.
>
> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has not
> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has messed up
> on
> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
>
> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2 weeks so
> we
> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one server
> operates versus the other.
>
> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and the
> other
> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware would
> cause any issues???
>
> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of the
> Oracle
> cluster add on's, etc.
>
> Thanks


Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
"Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> 10.07.2007 23:32:28
I agree fully with Rod...do NOT build a cluster with nodes of different
hardware, let alone different processor architectures. I've never tried to
do this, but I'm surprised that you actually got it to work! :)

--
Ryan Sokolowski
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP


This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:%23tzgiJzwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came from R2
> and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but you might
> have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes to be
> different OS levels.
>
> Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad idea. Awful
> in fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!
>
> I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two issues, you
> are probably doing that wrong too :) He he.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rodney R. Fournier
>
> MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
> http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
> ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
>
>
> "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003 with SP1
>> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the same
>> base
>> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines should
>> happily co-exist.
>>
>> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has not
>> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has messed up
>> on
>> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
>>
>> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2 weeks so
>> we
>> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one server
>> operates versus the other.
>>
>> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and the
>> other
>> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware
>> would
>> cause any issues???
>>
>> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of the
>> Oracle
>> cluster add on's, etc.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>


Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
"Edwin vMierlo [MVP]" <EdwinvMierlo[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> 11.07.2007 07:47:13
Do not use different processor architectures, I did it once and it led to
some unexplainable behaviour in my lab.
Although I must admit that I never found the real root cause, nor did I look
for it, I simply solved the issues by using the same hardware

in short: NEVER use different hardware.

rgds,
edwin.


"Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> wrote in message
news:OTRfVq0wHHA.600[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> I agree fully with Rod...do NOT build a cluster with nodes of different
> hardware, let alone different processor architectures. I've never tried
to
> do this, but I'm surprised that you actually got it to work! :)
>
> --
> Ryan Sokolowski
> MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
>
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
> message news:%23tzgiJzwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came from
R2
> > and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but you
might
> > have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes to be
> > different OS levels.
> >
> > Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad idea.
Awful
> > in fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!
> >
> > I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two issues, you
> > are probably doing that wrong too :) He he.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rodney R. Fournier
> >
> > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> > http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
> > http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> > http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
> > ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
> >
> >
> > "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003 with
SP1
> >> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the same
> >> base
> >> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines
should
> >> happily co-exist.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has not
> >> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has messed
up
> >> on
> >> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
> >>
> >> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2 weeks
so
> >> we
> >> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one
server
> >> operates versus the other.
> >>
> >> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and the
> >> other
> >> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware
> >> would
> >> cause any issues???
> >>
> >> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of the
> >> Oracle
> >> cluster add on's, etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >
> >
>
>


Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
THemmerling 11.07.2007 15:56:03
Wow. I had no idea that the base processor difference would be an issue. The
reason I say that is because the base OS code is essentially the same. I
would have thought that this would be the determining factor. Not the
physical cpu's.

Guess I will have to see about swapping out the AMD processors for some
Intel based processors.

We are still investiaging the database issues. This is a new release of the
application and they are having quite a few issues with the program. Many of
these are related to bad programming!

If I do swap out those processors I know that I will be forced to reinstall
the base OS. Is there anything special I would need to do to the cluster
prior to taking that node off-line?

Thanks,
Tim

"Edwin vMierlo [MVP]" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Do not use different processor architectures, I did it once and it led to
> some unexplainable behaviour in my lab.
> Although I must admit that I never found the real root cause, nor did I look
> for it, I simply solved the issues by using the same hardware
>
> in short: NEVER use different hardware.
>
> rgds,
> edwin.
>
>
> "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> wrote in message
> news:OTRfVq0wHHA.600[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > I agree fully with Rod...do NOT build a cluster with nodes of different
> > hardware, let alone different processor architectures. I've never tried
> to
> > do this, but I'm surprised that you actually got it to work! :)
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Sokolowski
> > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> > MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
> >
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> > "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
> > message news:%23tzgiJzwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > > R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came from
> R2
> > > and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but you
> might
> > > have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes to be
> > > different OS levels.
> > >
> > > Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad idea.
> Awful
> > > in fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!
> > >
> > > I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two issues, you
> > > are probably doing that wrong too :) He he.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Rodney R. Fournier
> > >
> > > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> > > http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
> > > http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> > > http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
> > > ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
> > >
> > >
> > > "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > >>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003 with
> SP1
> > >> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the same
> > >> base
> > >> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines
> should
> > >> happily co-exist.
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has not
> > >> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has messed
> up
> > >> on
> > >> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
> > >>
> > >> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2 weeks
> so
> > >> we
> > >> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one
> server
> > >> operates versus the other.
> > >>
> > >> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and the
> > >> other
> > >> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware
> > >> would
> > >> cause any issues???
> > >>
> > >> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of the
> > >> Oracle
> > >> cluster add on's, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> 11.07.2007 16:01:37
Just evict the node.

Cheers,

Rodney R. Fournier

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner


"THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F62E6CA7-AAEB-4FD8-B76C-D0B7DFC1ED04[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Wow. I had no idea that the base processor difference would be an issue.
> The
> reason I say that is because the base OS code is essentially the same. I
> would have thought that this would be the determining factor. Not the
> physical cpu's.
>
> Guess I will have to see about swapping out the AMD processors for some
> Intel based processors.
>
> We are still investiaging the database issues. This is a new release of
> the
> application and they are having quite a few issues with the program. Many
> of
> these are related to bad programming!
>
> If I do swap out those processors I know that I will be forced to
> reinstall
> the base OS. Is there anything special I would need to do to the cluster
> prior to taking that node off-line?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
> "Edwin vMierlo [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Do not use different processor architectures, I did it once and it led to
>> some unexplainable behaviour in my lab.
>> Although I must admit that I never found the real root cause, nor did I
>> look
>> for it, I simply solved the issues by using the same hardware
>>
>> in short: NEVER use different hardware.
>>
>> rgds,
>> edwin.
>>
>>
>> "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> wrote in message
>> news:OTRfVq0wHHA.600[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > I agree fully with Rod...do NOT build a cluster with nodes of different
>> > hardware, let alone different processor architectures. I've never
>> > tried
>> to
>> > do this, but I'm surprised that you actually got it to work! :)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ryan Sokolowski
>> > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
>> > MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
>> >
>> >
>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> > "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
>> > message news:%23tzgiJzwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > > R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came
>> > > from
>> R2
>> > > and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but you
>> might
>> > > have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes to
>> > > be
>> > > different OS levels.
>> > >
>> > > Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad idea.
>> Awful
>> > > in fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!
>> > >
>> > > I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two issues,
>> > > you
>> > > are probably doing that wrong too :) He he.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Rodney R. Fournier
>> > >
>> > > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
>> > > http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
>> > > http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
>> > > http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
>> > > ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> > > message
>> > > news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > >>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003
>> > >>with
>> SP1
>> > >> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the
>> > >> same
>> > >> base
>> > >> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines
>> should
>> > >> happily co-exist.
>> > >>
>> > >> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has
>> > >> not
>> > >> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has
>> > >> messed
>> up
>> > >> on
>> > >> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
>> > >>
>> > >> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2
>> > >> weeks
>> so
>> > >> we
>> > >> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one
>> server
>> > >> operates versus the other.
>> > >>
>> > >> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and
>> > >> the
>> > >> other
>> > >> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware
>> > >> would
>> > >> cause any issues???
>> > >>
>> > >> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of
>> > >> the
>> > >> Oracle
>> > >> cluster add on's, etc.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>


Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
THemmerling 11.07.2007 17:56:02
One other thing. Both of these machines are running 32bit Windows Server
2003. The AMD box is not running 64bit. Would the cluster still work you
think?

Tim

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Just evict the node.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rodney R. Fournier
>
> MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
> http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
> ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
>
>
> "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F62E6CA7-AAEB-4FD8-B76C-D0B7DFC1ED04[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Wow. I had no idea that the base processor difference would be an issue.
> > The
> > reason I say that is because the base OS code is essentially the same. I
> > would have thought that this would be the determining factor. Not the
> > physical cpu's.
> >
> > Guess I will have to see about swapping out the AMD processors for some
> > Intel based processors.
> >
> > We are still investiaging the database issues. This is a new release of
> > the
> > application and they are having quite a few issues with the program. Many
> > of
> > these are related to bad programming!
> >
> > If I do swap out those processors I know that I will be forced to
> > reinstall
> > the base OS. Is there anything special I would need to do to the cluster
> > prior to taking that node off-line?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim
> >
> > "Edwin vMierlo [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Do not use different processor architectures, I did it once and it led to
> >> some unexplainable behaviour in my lab.
> >> Although I must admit that I never found the real root cause, nor did I
> >> look
> >> for it, I simply solved the issues by using the same hardware
> >>
> >> in short: NEVER use different hardware.
> >>
> >> rgds,
> >> edwin.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OTRfVq0wHHA.600[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > I agree fully with Rod...do NOT build a cluster with nodes of different
> >> > hardware, let alone different processor architectures. I've never
> >> > tried
> >> to
> >> > do this, but I'm surprised that you actually got it to work! :)
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Ryan Sokolowski
> >> > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> >> > MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >> > "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
> >> > message news:%23tzgiJzwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> > > R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came
> >> > > from
> >> R2
> >> > > and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but you
> >> might
> >> > > have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes to
> >> > > be
> >> > > different OS levels.
> >> > >
> >> > > Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad idea.
> >> Awful
> >> > > in fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!
> >> > >
> >> > > I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two issues,
> >> > > you
> >> > > are probably doing that wrong too :) He he.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > Rodney R. Fournier
> >> > >
> >> > > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> >> > > http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
> >> > > http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> >> > > http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
> >> > > ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> > > message
> >> > > news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> > >>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003
> >> > >>with
> >> SP1
> >> > >> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is the
> >> > >> same
> >> > >> base
> >> > >> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines
> >> should
> >> > >> happily co-exist.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster has
> >> > >> not
> >> > >> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has
> >> > >> messed
> >> up
> >> > >> on
> >> > >> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2
> >> > >> weeks
> >> so
> >> > >> we
> >> > >> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how one
> >> server
> >> > >> operates versus the other.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors and
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> other
> >> > >> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in hardware
> >> > >> would
> >> > >> cause any issues???
> >> > >>
> >> > >> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> Oracle
> >> > >> cluster add on's, etc.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> 11.07.2007 18:04:21
Both at 32 is fine. One at 32, one at 64 will not work or allow it install
properly.

Cheers,

Rodney R. Fournier

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner


"THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F1449F66-67CA-4473-A7F0-ABBFE487585D[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> One other thing. Both of these machines are running 32bit Windows Server
> 2003. The AMD box is not running 64bit. Would the cluster still work you
> think?
>
> Tim
>
> "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Just evict the node.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rodney R. Fournier
>>
>> MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
>> http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
>> http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
>> http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
>> ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
>>
>>
>> "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F62E6CA7-AAEB-4FD8-B76C-D0B7DFC1ED04[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > Wow. I had no idea that the base processor difference would be an
>> > issue.
>> > The
>> > reason I say that is because the base OS code is essentially the same.
>> > I
>> > would have thought that this would be the determining factor. Not the
>> > physical cpu's.
>> >
>> > Guess I will have to see about swapping out the AMD processors for some
>> > Intel based processors.
>> >
>> > We are still investiaging the database issues. This is a new release of
>> > the
>> > application and they are having quite a few issues with the program.
>> > Many
>> > of
>> > these are related to bad programming!
>> >
>> > If I do swap out those processors I know that I will be forced to
>> > reinstall
>> > the base OS. Is there anything special I would need to do to the
>> > cluster
>> > prior to taking that node off-line?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > "Edwin vMierlo [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do not use different processor architectures, I did it once and it led
>> >> to
>> >> some unexplainable behaviour in my lab.
>> >> Although I must admit that I never found the real root cause, nor did
>> >> I
>> >> look
>> >> for it, I simply solved the issues by using the same hardware
>> >>
>> >> in short: NEVER use different hardware.
>> >>
>> >> rgds,
>> >> edwin.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <ryan[ at ]clustering101.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:OTRfVq0wHHA.600[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> > I agree fully with Rod...do NOT build a cluster with nodes of
>> >> > different
>> >> > hardware, let alone different processor architectures. I've never
>> >> > tried
>> >> to
>> >> > do this, but I'm surprised that you actually got it to work! :)
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Ryan Sokolowski
>> >> > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
>> >> > MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights.
>> >> > "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod[ at ]die.spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote
>> >> > in
>> >> > message news:%23tzgiJzwHHA.312[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> > > R2 is SP1 slip streamed with extras. Take the second CD that came
>> >> > > from
>> >> R2
>> >> > > and apply to the non R2 node. It will not require a reboot, but
>> >> > > you
>> >> might
>> >> > > have to use the R2 install code. You really don't want your nodes
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > be
>> >> > > different OS levels.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Next issue, you have different hardware? That is simply a bad
>> >> > > idea.
>> >> Awful
>> >> > > in fact. If you care about HA, you really need to fix that ASAP!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I can't address the Oracle part, but going by your first two
>> >> > > issues,
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > are probably doing that wrong too :) He he.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rodney R. Fournier
>> >> > >
>> >> > > MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
>> >> > > http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
>> >> > > http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
>> >> > > http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
>> >> > > ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> > > message
>> >> > > news:0D2F9A04-EED5-4D1C-83FB-C5C1FA507836[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> > >>I built a cluster (non-SQL) with two servers. One had Server 2003
>> >> > >>with
>> >> SP1
>> >> > >> and the other has 2003/R2. Now from what I can tell 2003/R2 is
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> same
>> >> > >> base
>> >> > >> OS as 2003/SP1 and for all intents and purpose these two machines
>> >> should
>> >> > >> happily co-exist.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Does anyone know if this could be causing an issue? The cluster
>> >> > >> has
>> >> > >> not
>> >> > >> shown any errors but the application running on the cluster has
>> >> > >> messed
>> >> up
>> >> > >> on
>> >> > >> machine and then when we fail over it runs okay on the other.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The problem I have is this cluster has only been up for about 2
>> >> > >> weeks
>> >> so
>> >> > >> we
>> >> > >> have no real performance data to use as a benchmark to see how
>> >> > >> one
>> >> server
>> >> > >> operates versus the other.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> One other thing. One of these servers has Intel x86 processors
>> >> > >> and
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> other
>> >> > >> has AMD Opteron's. I would not think that the difference in
>> >> > >> hardware
>> >> > >> would
>> >> > >> cause any issues???
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> By the way the application is running on Oracle 9i without any of
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> Oracle
>> >> > >> cluster add on's, etc.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Thanks
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


Re: Cluster on 2003/SP1 and 2003/R2
"Edwin vMierlo [MVP]" <EdwinvMierlo[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> 12.07.2007 08:51:01



"THemmerling" <THemmerling[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F62E6CA7-AAEB-4FD8-B76C-D0B7DFC1ED04[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Wow. I had no idea that the base processor difference would be an issue.
The
> reason I say that is because the base OS code is essentially the same. I
> would have thought that this would be the determining factor. Not the
> physical cpu's.

Tim,

to be honest, if you want a supported cluster, your full cluster solution
must be on the Windows Catalog, including all hardware, both hosts,
connectivity, and storage.
I would be surprised if there was a solution on the Windows Catalog which
has different processors.

As I said in my post; I never fully investigated the issues, but they did
disappear when I evicted a node and replaced it with a node with the same
hardware spec's in our lab.

rgds,
Edwin.


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