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hardware VPNS
JimA 08.06.2007 18:07:00
I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with 2 PCs.
They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is working. The VPN
client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP to connect
to my main server.

My Questions:

1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at all?
2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then RDP?
3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
4. Any special servces need to be enabled

Thanks
--
Jim A.
Re: hardware VPNS
"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou[ at ]n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> 09.06.2007 04:26:14
If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to configure RRAS
for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have RDP
access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and check the
security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
\\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file shares
that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the share
and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name resolution is
not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the
computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify domain/user
to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No special
services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users in the
Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow logon
through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by default
administrators can do such.

Steve


"JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with 2 PCs.
> They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is working. The
> VPN
> client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP to
> connect
> to my main server.
>
> My Questions:
>
> 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at all?
> 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then RDP?
> 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
> 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>
> Thanks
> --
> Jim A.


Re: hardware VPNS
JimA 11.06.2007 13:40:01
Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to use when
when logging on via the VPN?

Is it \\servername\domainname/username?

and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?

Thanks.
--
Jim A.


"Steven L Umbach" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to configure RRAS
> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have RDP
> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and check the
> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file shares
> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the share
> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name resolution is
> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the
> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify domain/user
> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No special
> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users in the
> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow logon
> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by default
> administrators can do such.
>
> Steve
>
>
> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with 2 PCs.
> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is working. The
> > VPN
> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP to
> > connect
> > to my main server.
> >
> > My Questions:
> >
> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at all?
> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then RDP?
> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Jim A.
>
>
>
Re: hardware VPNS
"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou[ at ]n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> 12.06.2007 00:59:57
It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in your
case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point to
point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN connection
itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username and then
password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you may
connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise you
may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and password.
Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may find
you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the username
does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For a
share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your client
computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and try
using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.

Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582


"JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to use
> when
> when logging on via the VPN?
>
> Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
>
> and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Jim A.
>
>
> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>
>> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to configure
>> RRAS
>> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
>> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have RDP
>> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and check
>> the
>> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
>> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file
>> shares
>> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the share
>> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name resolution
>> is
>> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the
>> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
>> domain/user
>> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No special
>> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users in
>> the
>> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow
>> logon
>> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by
>> default
>> administrators can do such.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with 2
>> >PCs.
>> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is working.
>> > The
>> > VPN
>> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP to
>> > connect
>> > to my main server.
>> >
>> > My Questions:
>> >
>> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at
>> > all?
>> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then RDP?
>> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
>> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > --
>> > Jim A.
>>
>>
>>


Re: hardware VPNS
JimA 12.06.2007 16:21:03
My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user needs to
logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I have
tried:

1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error "network path
not found"
2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is my
firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network path not
found"
3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my Domain
sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not found"
4. The computer account has been reset.
5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.

Thanks for help.
--
Jim A.


"Steven L Umbach" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in your
> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point to
> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN connection
> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username and then
> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you may
> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
> computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise you
> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and password.
> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may find
> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the username
> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For a
> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your client
> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and try
> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
>
> Steve
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
>
>
> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to use
> > when
> > when logging on via the VPN?
> >
> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
> >
> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > --
> > Jim A.
> >
> >
> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
> >
> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to configure
> >> RRAS
> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have RDP
> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and check
> >> the
> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file
> >> shares
> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the share
> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name resolution
> >> is
> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the
> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
> >> domain/user
> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No special
> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users in
> >> the
> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow
> >> logon
> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by
> >> default
> >> administrators can do such.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with 2
> >> >PCs.
> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is working.
> >> > The
> >> > VPN
> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP to
> >> > connect
> >> > to my main server.
> >> >
> >> > My Questions:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at
> >> > all?
> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then RDP?
> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > --
> >> > Jim A.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: hardware VPNS
"Rookie" <outbeyond[ at ]solarsystem1.com> 14.06.2007 02:29:49

"JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user needs
> to
> logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I have
> tried:
>
> 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error "network path
> not found"
> 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is my
> firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network path
> not
> found"
> 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my Domain
> sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not found"
> 4. The computer account has been reset.
> 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
> 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
>
> Thanks for help.
> --
> Jim A.
>
>
> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>
>> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in
>> your
>> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point to
>> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN connection
>> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
>> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username and
>> then
>> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you
>> may
>> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
>> computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise
>> you
>> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and password.
>> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may find
>> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
>> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the username
>> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For a
>> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your client
>> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and try
>> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
>>
>>
>> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to use
>> > when
>> > when logging on via the VPN?
>> >
>> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
>> >
>> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > --
>> > Jim A.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
>> >> configure
>> >> RRAS
>> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
>> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have
>> >> RDP
>> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and
>> >> check
>> >> the
>> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
>> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file
>> >> shares
>> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the
>> >> share
>> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
>> >> resolution
>> >> is
>> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of
>> >> the
>> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
>> >> domain/user
>> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No
>> >> special
>> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users
>> >> in
>> >> the
>> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow
>> >> logon
>> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by
>> >> default
>> >> administrators can do such.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with
>> >> >2
>> >> >PCs.
>> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
>> >> > working.
>> >> > The
>> >> > VPN
>> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP
>> >> > to
>> >> > connect
>> >> > to my main server.
>> >> >
>> >> > My Questions:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at
>> >> > all?
>> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then
>> >> > RDP?
>> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
>> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jim A.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


Re: hardware VPNS
"Rookie" <outbeyond[ at ]solarsystem1.com> 14.06.2007 02:40:00
A persistent VPN would not need the user to logon but that is OK as once the
user is logged onto the VPN he should then be able to access a share
assuming everything is setup correctly.

What I would do is to try and ping the computer with the share by IP and
name to see what happens. You need to be able to ping before you can access
a share. Run the command ipconfig on a computer to see it's IP address and
you need to try and access the computer with the share by it's LAN IP. If
you can ping by IP but not name then you have a name resolution problem but
still should probably be able to access the share [maybe getting a
credential prompt] by Start\run \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename where
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the LAN IP of the computer with the share. This all
assumes that the Sonicwall device allows access to file shares on the
network via proper configuration of the VPN policy in it and I believe the
default built in VPN policy does though that policy may not allow "netbios"
name resolution unless it is enabled in the properties of the VPN policy
which could explain why access by computer name may not work.

Steve


"JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user needs
> to
> logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I have
> tried:
>
> 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error "network path
> not found"
> 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is my
> firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network path
> not
> found"
> 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my Domain
> sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not found"
> 4. The computer account has been reset.
> 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
> 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
>
> Thanks for help.
> --
> Jim A.
>
>
> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>
>> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in
>> your
>> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point to
>> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN connection
>> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
>> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username and
>> then
>> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you
>> may
>> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
>> computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise
>> you
>> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and password.
>> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may find
>> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
>> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the username
>> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For a
>> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your client
>> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and try
>> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
>>
>>
>> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to use
>> > when
>> > when logging on via the VPN?
>> >
>> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
>> >
>> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > --
>> > Jim A.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
>> >> configure
>> >> RRAS
>> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
>> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have
>> >> RDP
>> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and
>> >> check
>> >> the
>> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
>> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file
>> >> shares
>> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the
>> >> share
>> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
>> >> resolution
>> >> is
>> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of
>> >> the
>> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
>> >> domain/user
>> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No
>> >> special
>> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users
>> >> in
>> >> the
>> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow
>> >> logon
>> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by
>> >> default
>> >> administrators can do such.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with
>> >> >2
>> >> >PCs.
>> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
>> >> > working.
>> >> > The
>> >> > VPN
>> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP
>> >> > to
>> >> > connect
>> >> > to my main server.
>> >> >
>> >> > My Questions:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at
>> >> > all?
>> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then
>> >> > RDP?
>> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
>> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jim A.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


Re: hardware VPNS
JimA 14.06.2007 19:13:00
I can ping the remote address from my FL site but am still waiting for my
remote user to test pinging on the remote side. This is a Managed Security
site (what a pain) that I have little control over and I will be hopefully
receiving a copy of the Sonicwal policy to review.

It just makes no sense with the VPN persistently up but nno share access?

Thanks, I wil repost when I have a solution.
--
Jim A.


"Rookie" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> A persistent VPN would not need the user to logon but that is OK as once the
> user is logged onto the VPN he should then be able to access a share
> assuming everything is setup correctly.
>
> What I would do is to try and ping the computer with the share by IP and
> name to see what happens. You need to be able to ping before you can access
> a share. Run the command ipconfig on a computer to see it's IP address and
> you need to try and access the computer with the share by it's LAN IP. If
> you can ping by IP but not name then you have a name resolution problem but
> still should probably be able to access the share [maybe getting a
> credential prompt] by Start\run \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename where
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the LAN IP of the computer with the share. This all
> assumes that the Sonicwall device allows access to file shares on the
> network via proper configuration of the VPN policy in it and I believe the
> default built in VPN policy does though that policy may not allow "netbios"
> name resolution unless it is enabled in the properties of the VPN policy
> which could explain why access by computer name may not work.
>
> Steve
>
>
> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user needs
> > to
> > logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I have
> > tried:
> >
> > 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error "network path
> > not found"
> > 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is my
> > firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network path
> > not
> > found"
> > 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my Domain
> > sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not found"
> > 4. The computer account has been reset.
> > 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
> > 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
> >
> > Thanks for help.
> > --
> > Jim A.
> >
> >
> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
> >
> >> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in
> >> your
> >> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point to
> >> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN connection
> >> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
> >> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username and
> >> then
> >> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you
> >> may
> >> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
> >> computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise
> >> you
> >> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and password.
> >> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may find
> >> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
> >> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the username
> >> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For a
> >> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your client
> >> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and try
> >> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
> >>
> >>
> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to use
> >> > when
> >> > when logging on via the VPN?
> >> >
> >> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
> >> >
> >> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > --
> >> > Jim A.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
> >> >> configure
> >> >> RRAS
> >> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic by
> >> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have
> >> >> RDP
> >> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and
> >> >> check
> >> >> the
> >> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
> >> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to file
> >> >> shares
> >> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the
> >> >> share
> >> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
> >> >> resolution
> >> >> is
> >> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of
> >> >> the
> >> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
> >> >> domain/user
> >> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No
> >> >> special
> >> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only users
> >> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to allow
> >> >> logon
> >> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and by
> >> >> default
> >> >> administrators can do such.
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site with
> >> >> >2
> >> >> >PCs.
> >> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
> >> >> > working.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > VPN
> >> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use RDP
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > connect
> >> >> > to my main server.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My Questions:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play at
> >> >> > all?
> >> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server then
> >> >> > RDP?
> >> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
> >> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Jim A.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: hardware VPNS
"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou[ at ]n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> 14.06.2007 22:08:30
You need to be able to ping the server with the share also as I am not sure
what you mean by I "can ping the remote address" if that is the server or
the public IP of the remote site.

I have setup VPNs with Sonicwall where there are TZ170s at each site
connecting the sites together with persistent VPN, where there is a TZ170 at
a site and the remote user used the Global VPN client on his computer to
connect to the TZ170, and also where the SSL 200 device is used as a web
browser based VPN solution for remote users. Assuming you are not using SSL
200 type be sure to check the VPN policy so that any settings for "allow
windows networking" or "netbios name resolution" are enabled.

Another big problem are host/software firewalls. Even the Windows Firewall
is usually configured for the local subnet which will block file and print
sharing traffic from another subnet such as could be coming in via a point
to point VPN connection from the remote site. Any Norton or Mcafee firewall
enabled on a computer will usually do the same in trusting only the local
subnet.

Steve


"JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:75DB3D73-1284-43DE-9BDF-50C3EAAF9000[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
>I can ping the remote address from my FL site but am still waiting for my
> remote user to test pinging on the remote side. This is a Managed Security
> site (what a pain) that I have little control over and I will be hopefully
> receiving a copy of the Sonicwal policy to review.
>
> It just makes no sense with the VPN persistently up but nno share access?
>
> Thanks, I wil repost when I have a solution.
> --
> Jim A.
>
>
> "Rookie" wrote:
>
>> A persistent VPN would not need the user to logon but that is OK as once
>> the
>> user is logged onto the VPN he should then be able to access a share
>> assuming everything is setup correctly.
>>
>> What I would do is to try and ping the computer with the share by IP and
>> name to see what happens. You need to be able to ping before you can
>> access
>> a share. Run the command ipconfig on a computer to see it's IP address
>> and
>> you need to try and access the computer with the share by it's LAN IP. If
>> you can ping by IP but not name then you have a name resolution problem
>> but
>> still should probably be able to access the share [maybe getting a
>> credential prompt] by Start\run \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename where
>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the LAN IP of the computer with the share. This all
>> assumes that the Sonicwall device allows access to file shares on the
>> network via proper configuration of the VPN policy in it and I believe
>> the
>> default built in VPN policy does though that policy may not allow
>> "netbios"
>> name resolution unless it is enabled in the properties of the VPN policy
>> which could explain why access by computer name may not work.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user
>> > needs
>> > to
>> > logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I
>> > have
>> > tried:
>> >
>> > 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error "network
>> > path
>> > not found"
>> > 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is my
>> > firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network path
>> > not
>> > found"
>> > 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my
>> > Domain
>> > sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not
>> > found"
>> > 4. The computer account has been reset.
>> > 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
>> > 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
>> >
>> > Thanks for help.
>> > --
>> > Jim A.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>> >
>> >> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in
>> >> your
>> >> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point
>> >> to
>> >> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN
>> >> connection
>> >> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
>> >> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username
>> >> and
>> >> then
>> >> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you
>> >> may
>> >> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
>> >> computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise
>> >> you
>> >> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and
>> >> password.
>> >> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may
>> >> find
>> >> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
>> >> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the
>> >> username
>> >> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For
>> >> a
>> >> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your
>> >> client
>> >> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and
>> >> try
>> >> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to
>> >> > use
>> >> > when
>> >> > when logging on via the VPN?
>> >> >
>> >> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
>> >> >
>> >> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jim A.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
>> >> >> configure
>> >> >> RRAS
>> >> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have
>> >> >> RDP
>> >> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and
>> >> >> check
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
>> >> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to
>> >> >> file
>> >> >> shares
>> >> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the
>> >> >> share
>> >> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
>> >> >> resolution
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
>> >> >> domain/user
>> >> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No
>> >> >> special
>> >> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only
>> >> >> users
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to
>> >> >> allow
>> >> >> logon
>> >> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> default
>> >> >> administrators can do such.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site
>> >> >> >with
>> >> >> >2
>> >> >> >PCs.
>> >> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
>> >> >> > working.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > VPN
>> >> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use
>> >> >> > RDP
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > connect
>> >> >> > to my main server.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My Questions:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play
>> >> >> > at
>> >> >> > all?
>> >> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server
>> >> >> > then
>> >> >> > RDP?
>> >> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
>> >> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Jim A.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


Re: hardware VPNS
JimA 15.06.2007 13:22:19
At my remote site there were 2 pcs, 1 Xp pro and 1 W Media ctr. Because of
the issues that I was having with the XP PC, I have it taken out of the
picture and also had removed a Linksys router that they were connected to and
now they are connected directly to the TZ50 (was told it was a TZ150).

I had the Global VPN Client (Sonicwall) software installed on the PC and
created a new connection using the LAN address of the TZ50. It asked for a
U/P for the VPN which allowed it to connect.

I then had the remote user go to Start\Run\ "\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename and
received the U/P to the domain. The IP used was my local servers. The Server
name wouldn't work.

The user is now connected to the network share that resides on my server so
it is now working fine.

So all seems fine except that there is a name resolution issue. Any ideas on
how to resolve that?

Thanks for your help.
--
Jim A.


"Steven L Umbach" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> You need to be able to ping the server with the share also as I am not sure
> what you mean by I "can ping the remote address" if that is the server or
> the public IP of the remote site.
>
> I have setup VPNs with Sonicwall where there are TZ170s at each site
> connecting the sites together with persistent VPN, where there is a TZ170 at
> a site and the remote user used the Global VPN client on his computer to
> connect to the TZ170, and also where the SSL 200 device is used as a web
> browser based VPN solution for remote users. Assuming you are not using SSL
> 200 type be sure to check the VPN policy so that any settings for "allow
> windows networking" or "netbios name resolution" are enabled.
>
> Another big problem are host/software firewalls. Even the Windows Firewall
> is usually configured for the local subnet which will block file and print
> sharing traffic from another subnet such as could be coming in via a point
> to point VPN connection from the remote site. Any Norton or Mcafee firewall
> enabled on a computer will usually do the same in trusting only the local
> subnet.
>
> Steve
>
>
> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:75DB3D73-1284-43DE-9BDF-50C3EAAF9000[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >I can ping the remote address from my FL site but am still waiting for my
> > remote user to test pinging on the remote side. This is a Managed Security
> > site (what a pain) that I have little control over and I will be hopefully
> > receiving a copy of the Sonicwal policy to review.
> >
> > It just makes no sense with the VPN persistently up but nno share access?
> >
> > Thanks, I wil repost when I have a solution.
> > --
> > Jim A.
> >
> >
> > "Rookie" wrote:
> >
> >> A persistent VPN would not need the user to logon but that is OK as once
> >> the
> >> user is logged onto the VPN he should then be able to access a share
> >> assuming everything is setup correctly.
> >>
> >> What I would do is to try and ping the computer with the share by IP and
> >> name to see what happens. You need to be able to ping before you can
> >> access
> >> a share. Run the command ipconfig on a computer to see it's IP address
> >> and
> >> you need to try and access the computer with the share by it's LAN IP. If
> >> you can ping by IP but not name then you have a name resolution problem
> >> but
> >> still should probably be able to access the share [maybe getting a
> >> credential prompt] by Start\run \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename where
> >> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the LAN IP of the computer with the share. This all
> >> assumes that the Sonicwall device allows access to file shares on the
> >> network via proper configuration of the VPN policy in it and I believe
> >> the
> >> default built in VPN policy does though that policy may not allow
> >> "netbios"
> >> name resolution unless it is enabled in the properties of the VPN policy
> >> which could explain why access by computer name may not work.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> > My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user
> >> > needs
> >> > to
> >> > logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I
> >> > have
> >> > tried:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error "network
> >> > path
> >> > not found"
> >> > 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is my
> >> > firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network path
> >> > not
> >> > found"
> >> > 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my
> >> > Domain
> >> > sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not
> >> > found"
> >> > 4. The computer account has been reset.
> >> > 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
> >> > 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for help.
> >> > --
> >> > Jim A.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and in
> >> >> your
> >> >> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or point
> >> >> to
> >> >> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN
> >> >> connection
> >> >> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon via
> >> >> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username
> >> >> and
> >> >> then
> >> >> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then you
> >> >> may
> >> >> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your client
> >> >> computer with a username/password that exists on the server. Otherwise
> >> >> you
> >> >> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and
> >> >> password.
> >> >> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you may
> >> >> find
> >> >> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
> >> >> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the
> >> >> username
> >> >> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct. For
> >> >> a
> >> >> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your
> >> >> client
> >> >> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and
> >> >> try
> >> >> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve
> >> >>
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format to
> >> >> > use
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > when logging on via the VPN?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Jim A.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
> >> >> >> configure
> >> >> >> RRAS
> >> >> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP traffic
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can have
> >> >> >> RDP
> >> >> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically and
> >> >> >> check
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
> >> >> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to
> >> >> >> file
> >> >> >> shares
> >> >> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to the
> >> >> >> share
> >> >> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
> >> >> >> resolution
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
> >> >> >> domain/user
> >> >> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No
> >> >> >> special
> >> >> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only
> >> >> >> users
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to
> >> >> >> allow
> >> >> >> logon
> >> >> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer and
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> default
> >> >> >> administrators can do such.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Steve
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site
> >> >> >> >with
> >> >> >> >2
> >> >> >> >PCs.
> >> >> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
> >> >> >> > working.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > VPN
> >> >> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use
> >> >> >> > RDP
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > connect
> >> >> >> > to my main server.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > My Questions:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into play
> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> > all?
> >> >> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server
> >> >> >> > then
> >> >> >> > RDP?
> >> >> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
> >> >> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Jim A.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: hardware VPNS
"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou[ at ]n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> 16.06.2007 01:44:17
Glad to hear you made significant progress.

It should also work through your Linksys router but you may have to check
options for allow ipsec pass through if available in it.

I would check the VPN policy properties on the Sonicwall as by default they
do not allow "netbios" which is needed for name resolution to work in your
case and it may help to configure the remote computers to be a wins client
of the server [if it indeed is server operating system] in it's tcp/ip
properties/advanced/wins. Otherwise assuming the "server" has a static IP
you could create an entry in the existing lmhosts file editing with notepad
and saving with no extension name [in \windows\system32\drivers\etc] of the
remote computer with a mapping for the server or just create a desktop
shortcut to the share of the server using \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename so
that it would make it easier for the end users to access it. If you edit the
lmhosts file you could run the command nbtstat -R when done and then try to
ping by the computer name and it should then resolve to the IP in the
lmhosts file.

Steve

For example, the LMHOSTS file could contain the following information:
102.54.94.91 accounting #accounting server
102.54.94.94 payroll #payroll server
102.54.94.97 stockquote #PRE #stock quote server
102.54.94.102 printqueue #print server in Bldg 7In this example, the server
named stockquote is preloaded into the name cache, because it is tagged with
the #PRE keyword. The servers named accounting, payroll, and printqueue
would be resolved only after the cache entries failed to match and after
broadcast queries failed to locate them. After non-preloaded entries are
resolved, their mappings are cached for a period of time for reuse.



"JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90E1A584-06D8-4A3C-9997-35F22906C3E9[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> At my remote site there were 2 pcs, 1 Xp pro and 1 W Media ctr. Because of
> the issues that I was having with the XP PC, I have it taken out of the
> picture and also had removed a Linksys router that they were connected to
> and
> now they are connected directly to the TZ50 (was told it was a TZ150).
>
> I had the Global VPN Client (Sonicwall) software installed on the PC and
> created a new connection using the LAN address of the TZ50. It asked for a
> U/P for the VPN which allowed it to connect.
>
> I then had the remote user go to Start\Run\ "\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename
> and
> received the U/P to the domain. The IP used was my local servers. The
> Server
> name wouldn't work.
>
> The user is now connected to the network share that resides on my server
> so
> it is now working fine.
>
> So all seems fine except that there is a name resolution issue. Any ideas
> on
> how to resolve that?
>
> Thanks for your help.
> --
> Jim A.
>
>
> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>
>> You need to be able to ping the server with the share also as I am not
>> sure
>> what you mean by I "can ping the remote address" if that is the server or
>> the public IP of the remote site.
>>
>> I have setup VPNs with Sonicwall where there are TZ170s at each site
>> connecting the sites together with persistent VPN, where there is a TZ170
>> at
>> a site and the remote user used the Global VPN client on his computer to
>> connect to the TZ170, and also where the SSL 200 device is used as a web
>> browser based VPN solution for remote users. Assuming you are not using
>> SSL
>> 200 type be sure to check the VPN policy so that any settings for "allow
>> windows networking" or "netbios name resolution" are enabled.
>>
>> Another big problem are host/software firewalls. Even the Windows
>> Firewall
>> is usually configured for the local subnet which will block file and
>> print
>> sharing traffic from another subnet such as could be coming in via a
>> point
>> to point VPN connection from the remote site. Any Norton or Mcafee
>> firewall
>> enabled on a computer will usually do the same in trusting only the local
>> subnet.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:75DB3D73-1284-43DE-9BDF-50C3EAAF9000[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >I can ping the remote address from my FL site but am still waiting for
>> >my
>> > remote user to test pinging on the remote side. This is a Managed
>> > Security
>> > site (what a pain) that I have little control over and I will be
>> > hopefully
>> > receiving a copy of the Sonicwal policy to review.
>> >
>> > It just makes no sense with the VPN persistently up but nno share
>> > access?
>> >
>> > Thanks, I wil repost when I have a solution.
>> > --
>> > Jim A.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Rookie" wrote:
>> >
>> >> A persistent VPN would not need the user to logon but that is OK as
>> >> once
>> >> the
>> >> user is logged onto the VPN he should then be able to access a share
>> >> assuming everything is setup correctly.
>> >>
>> >> What I would do is to try and ping the computer with the share by IP
>> >> and
>> >> name to see what happens. You need to be able to ping before you can
>> >> access
>> >> a share. Run the command ipconfig on a computer to see it's IP address
>> >> and
>> >> you need to try and access the computer with the share by it's LAN IP.
>> >> If
>> >> you can ping by IP but not name then you have a name resolution
>> >> problem
>> >> but
>> >> still should probably be able to access the share [maybe getting a
>> >> credential prompt] by Start\run \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename where
>> >> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the LAN IP of the computer with the share. This all
>> >> assumes that the Sonicwall device allows access to file shares on the
>> >> network via proper configuration of the VPN policy in it and I believe
>> >> the
>> >> default built in VPN policy does though that policy may not allow
>> >> "netbios"
>> >> name resolution unless it is enabled in the properties of the VPN
>> >> policy
>> >> which could explain why access by computer name may not work.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> > My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user
>> >> > needs
>> >> > to
>> >> > logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what I
>> >> > have
>> >> > tried:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error
>> >> > "network
>> >> > path
>> >> > not found"
>> >> > 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is
>> >> > my
>> >> > firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network
>> >> > path
>> >> > not
>> >> > found"
>> >> > 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my
>> >> > Domain
>> >> > sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not
>> >> > found"
>> >> > 4. The computer account has been reset.
>> >> > 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
>> >> > 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for help.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jim A.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup and
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or
>> >> >> point
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN
>> >> >> connection
>> >> >> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon
>> >> >> via
>> >> >> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter username
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your
>> >> >> client
>> >> >> computer with a username/password that exists on the server.
>> >> >> Otherwise
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and
>> >> >> password.
>> >> >> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> find
>> >> >> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username or
>> >> >> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the
>> >> >> username
>> >> >> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct.
>> >> >> For
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your
>> >> >> client
>> >> >> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help and
>> >> >> try
>> >> >> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > use
>> >> >> > when
>> >> >> > when logging on via the VPN?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Jim A.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
>> >> >> >> configure
>> >> >> >> RRAS
>> >> >> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP
>> >> >> >> traffic
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> RDP
>> >> >> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> check
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
>> >> >> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to
>> >> >> >> file
>> >> >> >> shares
>> >> >> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> share
>> >> >> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
>> >> >> >> resolution
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the
>> >> >> >> IP
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
>> >> >> >> domain/user
>> >> >> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name. No
>> >> >> >> special
>> >> >> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only
>> >> >> >> users
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right to
>> >> >> >> allow
>> >> >> >> logon
>> >> >> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> default
>> >> >> >> administrators can do such.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Steve
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote site
>> >> >> >> >with
>> >> >> >> >2
>> >> >> >> >PCs.
>> >> >> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
>> >> >> >> > working.
>> >> >> >> > The
>> >> >> >> > VPN
>> >> >> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to use
>> >> >> >> > RDP
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > connect
>> >> >> >> > to my main server.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > My Questions:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into
>> >> >> >> > play
>> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> > all?
>> >> >> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server
>> >> >> >> > then
>> >> >> >> > RDP?
>> >> >> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
>> >> >> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Jim A.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


Re: hardware VPNS
"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou[ at ]n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> 16.06.2007 01:53:08
Also the server would need to be running wins and be a client to itself for
wins to work.

Steve

http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/services/WINS_Home.htm

"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou[ at ]n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uKUCZf7rHHA.532[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[Quoted Text]
> Glad to hear you made significant progress.
>
> It should also work through your Linksys router but you may have to check
> options for allow ipsec pass through if available in it.
>
> I would check the VPN policy properties on the Sonicwall as by default
> they do not allow "netbios" which is needed for name resolution to work in
> your case and it may help to configure the remote computers to be a wins
> client of the server [if it indeed is server operating system] in it's
> tcp/ip properties/advanced/wins. Otherwise assuming the "server" has a
> static IP you could create an entry in the existing lmhosts file editing
> with notepad and saving with no extension name [in
> \windows\system32\drivers\etc] of the remote computer with a mapping for
> the server or just create a desktop shortcut to the share of the server
> using \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename so that it would make it easier for the
> end users to access it. If you edit the lmhosts file you could run the
> command nbtstat -R when done and then try to ping by the computer name and
> it should then resolve to the IP in the lmhosts file.
>
> Steve
>
> For example, the LMHOSTS file could contain the following information:
> 102.54.94.91 accounting #accounting server
> 102.54.94.94 payroll #payroll server
> 102.54.94.97 stockquote #PRE #stock quote server
> 102.54.94.102 printqueue #print server in Bldg 7In this example, the
> server named stockquote is preloaded into the name cache, because it is
> tagged with the #PRE keyword. The servers named accounting, payroll, and
> printqueue would be resolved only after the cache entries failed to match
> and after broadcast queries failed to locate them. After non-preloaded
> entries are resolved, their mappings are cached for a period of time for
> reuse.
>
>
>
> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:90E1A584-06D8-4A3C-9997-35F22906C3E9[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> At my remote site there were 2 pcs, 1 Xp pro and 1 W Media ctr. Because
>> of
>> the issues that I was having with the XP PC, I have it taken out of the
>> picture and also had removed a Linksys router that they were connected to
>> and
>> now they are connected directly to the TZ50 (was told it was a TZ150).
>>
>> I had the Global VPN Client (Sonicwall) software installed on the PC and
>> created a new connection using the LAN address of the TZ50. It asked for
>> a
>> U/P for the VPN which allowed it to connect.
>>
>> I then had the remote user go to Start\Run\ "\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename
>> and
>> received the U/P to the domain. The IP used was my local servers. The
>> Server
>> name wouldn't work.
>>
>> The user is now connected to the network share that resides on my server
>> so
>> it is now working fine.
>>
>> So all seems fine except that there is a name resolution issue. Any ideas
>> on
>> how to resolve that?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>> --
>> Jim A.
>>
>>
>> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>>
>>> You need to be able to ping the server with the share also as I am not
>>> sure
>>> what you mean by I "can ping the remote address" if that is the server
>>> or
>>> the public IP of the remote site.
>>>
>>> I have setup VPNs with Sonicwall where there are TZ170s at each site
>>> connecting the sites together with persistent VPN, where there is a
>>> TZ170 at
>>> a site and the remote user used the Global VPN client on his computer to
>>> connect to the TZ170, and also where the SSL 200 device is used as a web
>>> browser based VPN solution for remote users. Assuming you are not using
>>> SSL
>>> 200 type be sure to check the VPN policy so that any settings for "allow
>>> windows networking" or "netbios name resolution" are enabled.
>>>
>>> Another big problem are host/software firewalls. Even the Windows
>>> Firewall
>>> is usually configured for the local subnet which will block file and
>>> print
>>> sharing traffic from another subnet such as could be coming in via a
>>> point
>>> to point VPN connection from the remote site. Any Norton or Mcafee
>>> firewall
>>> enabled on a computer will usually do the same in trusting only the
>>> local
>>> subnet.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:75DB3D73-1284-43DE-9BDF-50C3EAAF9000[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>> >I can ping the remote address from my FL site but am still waiting for
>>> >my
>>> > remote user to test pinging on the remote side. This is a Managed
>>> > Security
>>> > site (what a pain) that I have little control over and I will be
>>> > hopefully
>>> > receiving a copy of the Sonicwal policy to review.
>>> >
>>> > It just makes no sense with the VPN persistently up but nno share
>>> > access?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, I wil repost when I have a solution.
>>> > --
>>> > Jim A.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Rookie" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> A persistent VPN would not need the user to logon but that is OK as
>>> >> once
>>> >> the
>>> >> user is logged onto the VPN he should then be able to access a share
>>> >> assuming everything is setup correctly.
>>> >>
>>> >> What I would do is to try and ping the computer with the share by IP
>>> >> and
>>> >> name to see what happens. You need to be able to ping before you can
>>> >> access
>>> >> a share. Run the command ipconfig on a computer to see it's IP
>>> >> address
>>> >> and
>>> >> you need to try and access the computer with the share by it's LAN
>>> >> IP. If
>>> >> you can ping by IP but not name then you have a name resolution
>>> >> problem
>>> >> but
>>> >> still should probably be able to access the share [maybe getting a
>>> >> credential prompt] by Start\run \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\sharename where
>>> >> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the LAN IP of the computer with the share. This
>>> >> all
>>> >> assumes that the Sonicwall device allows access to file shares on the
>>> >> network via proper configuration of the VPN policy in it and I
>>> >> believe
>>> >> the
>>> >> default built in VPN policy does though that policy may not allow
>>> >> "netbios"
>>> >> name resolution unless it is enabled in the properties of the VPN
>>> >> policy
>>> >> which could explain why access by computer name may not work.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:CB1603D0-9E06-42B0-8269-7CDABDC0EF35[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>> >> > My VPN is set up with a persistent connection that the remote user
>>> >> > needs
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > logon to via the Sonicwall client software (I think). Here is what
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > tried:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 1. Logon to the Sonicwall only, map the network drive: error
>>> >> > "network
>>> >> > path
>>> >> > not found"
>>> >> > 2. Logon to the VPN (in network connections) connection only (IP is
>>> >> > my
>>> >> > firewall outside IP). Start\run\server\sharename, receive "network
>>> >> > path
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > found"
>>> >> > 3. Logon to SonicWall first. Logon to VPN second (connected to my
>>> >> > Domain
>>> >> > sucessfully). Attempt to connect drive, receive "network path not
>>> >> > found"
>>> >> > 4. The computer account has been reset.
>>> >> > 5. it is XP pro, Sp2.
>>> >> > 6. I am able to logon locally without issue, only remote issues.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks for help.
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Jim A.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> It depends what you mean by logging on and how the VPN is setup
>>> >> >> and in
>>> >> >> your
>>> >> >> case it sounds like you are using a persistent VPN connection or
>>> >> >> point
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> point tunnels and if that is true no special logon for the VPN
>>> >> >> connection
>>> >> >> itself is needed as the VPN is seamless. If you are going to logon
>>> >> >> via
>>> >> >> Remote Desktop then you will get logon box where you enter
>>> >> >> username
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> then
>>> >> >> password. If you are trying to access a file share over a VPN then
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> may
>>> >> >> connect without any credential prompt if you are logged on your
>>> >> >> client
>>> >> >> computer with a username/password that exists on the server.
>>> >> >> Otherwise
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> may get a credential prompt where you could enter username and
>>> >> >> password.
>>> >> >> Usually the username can simply be a user name but sometimes you
>>> >> >> may
>>> >> >> find
>>> >> >> you need to enter the domain name also as in domainname/username
>>> >> >> or
>>> >> >> computername/username as the case may be if simply entering the
>>> >> >> username
>>> >> >> does not work and you are sure that the name/password are correct.
>>> >> >> For
>>> >> >> a
>>> >> >> share you can also try mapping a drive from file explorer on your
>>> >> >> client
>>> >> >> computer under tools/map network drive. The link below may help
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> try
>>> >> >> using the IP of the destination computer if the name does not
>>> >> >> work.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Steve
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308582
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:C4A2024B-98B1-4CCB-BF02-570FE51492A3[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> > Thanks Steve for answering my questions, but what is the format
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > use
>>> >> >> > when
>>> >> >> > when logging on via the VPN?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Is it \\servername\domainname/username?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > and does it prompt for a password? or where should that go?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Thanks.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > Jim A.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> If you are using VPN endpoint devices then you do not need to
>>> >> >> >> configure
>>> >> >> >> RRAS
>>> >> >> >> for any VPN settings. RDP over VPN is pretty secure as RDP
>>> >> >> >> traffic
>>> >> >> >> by
>>> >> >> >> default is also encrypted BUT make sure that accounts that can
>>> >> >> >> have
>>> >> >> >> RDP
>>> >> >> >> access are using strong passwords and change them periodically
>>> >> >> >> and
>>> >> >> >> check
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> security logs to see who is accessing via RDP and when. NOT
>>> >> >> >> \\server\username but \\servername\share can give you access to
>>> >> >> >> file
>>> >> >> >> shares
>>> >> >> >> that are available and to users that have proper permissions to
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> share
>>> >> >> >> and you may need to try \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share in case name
>>> >> >> >> resolution
>>> >> >> >> is
>>> >> >> >> not working properly over the VPN where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the
>>> >> >> >> IP
>>> >> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> computer with the share. In some cases you may need to specify
>>> >> >> >> domain/user
>>> >> >> >> to logon if username alone does not work for logon user name.
>>> >> >> >> No
>>> >> >> >> special
>>> >> >> >> services should need to be enabled. Also keep in mind that only
>>> >> >> >> users
>>> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> Remote Desktop users group or those that have the user right
>>> >> >> >> to
>>> >> >> >> allow
>>> >> >> >> logon
>>> >> >> >> through terminal services will be able to RDP into a computer
>>> >> >> >> and
>>> >> >> >> by
>>> >> >> >> default
>>> >> >> >> administrators can do such.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Steve
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> "JimA" <JimA[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> news:1925C121-2310-49A1-9769-FDB660850CBD[ at ]microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> >> >I have 1 main site with a Windows 2003 server and a remote
>>> >> >> >> >site
>>> >> >> >> >with
>>> >> >> >> >2
>>> >> >> >> >PCs.
>>> >> >> >> > They both have router/firewalls and a configured VPN that is
>>> >> >> >> > working.
>>> >> >> >> > The
>>> >> >> >> > VPN
>>> >> >> >> > client software is installed and working. I was advised to
>>> >> >> >> > use
>>> >> >> >> > RDP
>>> >> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> >> > connect
>>> >> >> >> > to my main server.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > My Questions:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > 1. Since I am using VPN hardware devices does RRAS come into
>>> >> >> >> > play
>>> >> >> >> > at
>>> >> >> >> > all?
>>> >> >> >> > 2. Are there better methods for logging in to the main server
>>> >> >> >> > then
>>> >> >> >> > RDP?
>>> >> >> >> > 3. Can I \\server\username to log on?
>>> >> >> >> > 4. Any special servces need to be enabled
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > Thanks
>>> >> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> >> > Jim A.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


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