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Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
Ralonne 27.07.2006 19:52:02
In the following sentence Word 2003 came back and suggested I change "its" to
"it's":

"..and its associated Part Number"

FYI to whomever loads/updates Microsoft's grammar database:

"its" means possessive, as in my own;
"it's" is a contraction (abbreviation) for 'it is'.

This REALLY concerns me as I rely on the grammar checker feature as backup
to my own memory of such things, and being very A/Retentive about grammar,
punctuation and spelling, when I'm unsure about something, I would like to
know that I can trust the information I'm receiving via Word's spelling and
grammar application.

There've been a few things that I've questioned before, but deferred to the
application figuring maybe I was in error and thus counted on MS Word to be
more accurate than my 50 y/o memory.

This is no longer the case, unfortunately.

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Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
<aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au> 27.07.2006 21:50:03
Absolutely right. And, dear Microsoft, there are many other examples if
illiteracy in your spell and grammar checker. IMO the package is so good
generally that this really lets it down.

Mind you, a good editor will always use the spell and grammar check
carefully, and mainly to pick up typos. It cannot possibly be right all the
time as the whole context is a matter of human comprehension and probably
out of the reach of a mere computer program for ever. For example I was
recently editing an Australian book about the World Cup (Soccer). One
sentence spoke of Viduka (nickname Dukes). The sentence included 'Dukes was
sorry he did not score..'. Spell/grammar check flagged it as wrong and
suggested 'Dukes were sorry they didn't score...'


"Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:20C528C6-0A47-4707-998C-9C3520EBA204[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> In the following sentence Word 2003 came back and suggested I change "its"
> to
> "it's":
>
> "..and its associated Part Number"
>
> FYI to whomever loads/updates Microsoft's grammar database:
>
> "its" means possessive, as in my own;
> "it's" is a contraction (abbreviation) for 'it is'.
>
> This REALLY concerns me as I rely on the grammar checker feature as backup
> to my own memory of such things, and being very A/Retentive about grammar,
> punctuation and spelling, when I'm unsure about something, I would like to
> know that I can trust the information I'm receiving via Word's spelling
> and
> grammar application.
>
> There've been a few things that I've questioned before, but deferred to
> the
> application figuring maybe I was in error and thus counted on MS Word to
> be
> more accurate than my 50 y/o memory.
>
> This is no longer the case, unfortunately.
>
> ----------------
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> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
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> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
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Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
Ralonne 27.07.2006 22:27:01
Of course it flagged it and suggested a more fitting response accordingy,
Aalaan. As I'm sure you're well aware, 'dukes' is interpreted as a plural.
And you're right a good editor WILL generally just use the spell/grammar
checker for typos they don't catch while typing.

But I also like having my grammar double-checked. And oftentimes it makes
suggested corrections based on how "IT" interprets a given sentence. Yet, it
seemed previous versions somehow interpreted the whole paragraph, not just a
single sentence within a paragraph, and thus, I believe, did a much better
job of checking grammar, syntax, and the like.

Anyway, thank you for validating what I wrote. Glad to know it's not just
me who's noticed this.

"aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Absolutely right. And, dear Microsoft, there are many other examples if
> illiteracy in your spell and grammar checker. IMO the package is so good
> generally that this really lets it down.
>
> Mind you, a good editor will always use the spell and grammar check
> carefully, and mainly to pick up typos. It cannot possibly be right all the
> time as the whole context is a matter of human comprehension and probably
> out of the reach of a mere computer program for ever. For example I was
> recently editing an Australian book about the World Cup (Soccer). One
> sentence spoke of Viduka (nickname Dukes). The sentence included 'Dukes was
> sorry he did not score..'. Spell/grammar check flagged it as wrong and
> suggested 'Dukes were sorry they didn't score...'
>
>
> "Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:20C528C6-0A47-4707-998C-9C3520EBA204[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > In the following sentence Word 2003 came back and suggested I change "its"
> > to
> > "it's":
> >
> > "..and its associated Part Number"
> >
> > FYI to whomever loads/updates Microsoft's grammar database:
> >
> > "its" means possessive, as in my own;
> > "it's" is a contraction (abbreviation) for 'it is'.
> >
> > This REALLY concerns me as I rely on the grammar checker feature as backup
> > to my own memory of such things, and being very A/Retentive about grammar,
> > punctuation and spelling, when I'm unsure about something, I would like to
> > know that I can trust the information I'm receiving via Word's spelling
> > and
> > grammar application.
> >
> > There've been a few things that I've questioned before, but deferred to
> > the
> > application figuring maybe I was in error and thus counted on MS Word to
> > be
> > more accurate than my 50 y/o memory.
> >
> > This is no longer the case, unfortunately.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?mid=20c528c6-0a47-4707-998c-9c3520eba204&dg=microsoft.public.word.application.errors
>
>
>
Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
<aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au> 28.07.2006 01:06:55

"Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CCAF794D-21F9-4FC5-AA79-147BAE11CB66[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Of course it flagged it and suggested a more fitting response accordingy,
> Aalaan. As I'm sure you're well aware, 'dukes' is interpreted as a
> plural.
>
Of course! I was using that as an example of why you must manually edit copy
in context. But your example of it's and its should never have happened.

BTW, there's a newsgroup devoted to spelling and grammar. It's
microsoft.public.word.spelling.grammar

And BBTW, I subscribe to a technical radio ng nothing to do with Word where
the regulars are so illiterate that they continually post excellent examples
of how not to do it! The favourite is 'you're' and 'your' continually
misused.

Also, isn't it amazing how much harder it is to read a paragraph where the
poster has used 'i' lazily instead of 'I', as well as the fact that such
posters often do not bother with such mundane things as sentences and full
stops.


Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
Ralonne 28.07.2006 15:12:02
Hahahahaha! Loved your examples Aalaan! Thank you, BTW, for the
spell/grammar newsgroup info. I've saved it off for my own reference.

As for the 'illiteracy' you referenced in the other 'technical' newsgrp, OMG
YESSS that drives me INSANE when people don't know proper usage (or they're /
their / there) - and frankly I tend to discount them on a personal basis when
I encounter it. I mean, c'mon, if they're not up on such things I figure my
A/R tendencies will prob'ly make them as crazy as their english deficiencies
make me lol! I have to confess, whenever I'm instant msg'g with someone, I
tend to be lazy about capitalizing my Is as well but otherwise, I'm diligent
about typing correctly. Those who seem to have no idea what the purpose of
punctuation is amaze me frankly. How can they expect someone to follow their
conversation if they don't know how to structure their sentences? Oh well -
such is life online eh?

Again TY for your invaluable assistance Aalaan, it's been great knowing I'm
not alone here in my A/R tendencies lol. BTW based on your spelling of
'favorite', I can only presume you're from UK? Take care and have a blessed
day!

"aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
>
> "Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CCAF794D-21F9-4FC5-AA79-147BAE11CB66[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Of course it flagged it and suggested a more fitting response accordingy,
> > Aalaan. As I'm sure you're well aware, 'dukes' is interpreted as a
> > plural.
> >
> Of course! I was using that as an example of why you must manually edit copy
> in context. But your example of it's and its should never have happened.
>
> BTW, there's a newsgroup devoted to spelling and grammar. It's
> microsoft.public.word.spelling.grammar
>
> And BBTW, I subscribe to a technical radio ng nothing to do with Word where
> the regulars are so illiterate that they continually post excellent examples
> of how not to do it! The favourite is 'you're' and 'your' continually
> misused.
>
> Also, isn't it amazing how much harder it is to read a paragraph where the
> poster has used 'i' lazily instead of 'I', as well as the fact that such
> posters often do not bother with such mundane things as sentences and full
> stops.
>
>
>
Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
<aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au> 28.07.2006 21:11:11
Thanks. Yes I am in Australia (also favourite) but ex-UK.

What's A/R?

"Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:10481072-077F-4D4D-A393-413E1B815234[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Hahahahaha! Loved your examples Aalaan! Thank you, BTW, for the
> spell/grammar newsgroup info. I've saved it off for my own reference.
>
> As for the 'illiteracy' you referenced in the other 'technical' newsgrp,
> OMG
> YESSS that drives me INSANE when people don't know proper usage (or
> they're /
> their / there) - and frankly I tend to discount them on a personal basis
> when
> I encounter it. I mean, c'mon, if they're not up on such things I figure
> my
> A/R tendencies will prob'ly make them as crazy as their english
> deficiencies
> make me lol! I have to confess, whenever I'm instant msg'g with someone, I
> tend to be lazy about capitalizing my Is as well but otherwise, I'm
> diligent
> about typing correctly. Those who seem to have no idea what the purpose of
> punctuation is amaze me frankly. How can they expect someone to follow
> their
> conversation if they don't know how to structure their sentences? Oh
> well -
> such is life online eh?
>
> Again TY for your invaluable assistance Aalaan, it's been great knowing
> I'm
> not alone here in my A/R tendencies lol. BTW based on your spelling of
> 'favorite', I can only presume you're from UK? Take care and have a
> blessed
> day!
>


Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill[ at ]mvps.org> 28.07.2006 21:53:05
I expect he meant "anal-retentive."

--
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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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<aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:44ca7d87[ at ]dnews.tpgi.com.au...
[Quoted Text]
> Thanks. Yes I am in Australia (also favourite) but ex-UK.
>
> What's A/R?
>
> "Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:10481072-077F-4D4D-A393-413E1B815234[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Hahahahaha! Loved your examples Aalaan! Thank you, BTW, for the
> > spell/grammar newsgroup info. I've saved it off for my own reference.
> >
> > As for the 'illiteracy' you referenced in the other 'technical' newsgrp,
> > OMG
> > YESSS that drives me INSANE when people don't know proper usage (or
> > they're /
> > their / there) - and frankly I tend to discount them on a personal basis
> > when
> > I encounter it. I mean, c'mon, if they're not up on such things I
figure
> > my
> > A/R tendencies will prob'ly make them as crazy as their english
> > deficiencies
> > make me lol! I have to confess, whenever I'm instant msg'g with someone,
I
> > tend to be lazy about capitalizing my Is as well but otherwise, I'm
> > diligent
> > about typing correctly. Those who seem to have no idea what the purpose
of
> > punctuation is amaze me frankly. How can they expect someone to follow
> > their
> > conversation if they don't know how to structure their sentences? Oh
> > well -
> > such is life online eh?
> >
> > Again TY for your invaluable assistance Aalaan, it's been great knowing
> > I'm
> > not alone here in my A/R tendencies lol. BTW based on your spelling of
> > 'favorite', I can only presume you're from UK? Take care and have a
> > blessed
> > day!
> >
>
>

Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
Ralonne 31.07.2006 14:29:02
A/R = an*l retentive lol

"aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Thanks. Yes I am in Australia (also favourite) but ex-UK.
>
> What's A/R?
>
> "Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:10481072-077F-4D4D-A393-413E1B815234[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Hahahahaha! Loved your examples Aalaan! Thank you, BTW, for the
> > spell/grammar newsgroup info. I've saved it off for my own reference.
> >
> > As for the 'illiteracy' you referenced in the other 'technical' newsgrp,
> > OMG
> > YESSS that drives me INSANE when people don't know proper usage (or
> > they're /
> > their / there) - and frankly I tend to discount them on a personal basis
> > when
> > I encounter it. I mean, c'mon, if they're not up on such things I figure
> > my
> > A/R tendencies will prob'ly make them as crazy as their english
> > deficiencies
> > make me lol! I have to confess, whenever I'm instant msg'g with someone, I
> > tend to be lazy about capitalizing my Is as well but otherwise, I'm
> > diligent
> > about typing correctly. Those who seem to have no idea what the purpose of
> > punctuation is amaze me frankly. How can they expect someone to follow
> > their
> > conversation if they don't know how to structure their sentences? Oh
> > well -
> > such is life online eh?
> >
> > Again TY for your invaluable assistance Aalaan, it's been great knowing
> > I'm
> > not alone here in my A/R tendencies lol. BTW based on your spelling of
> > 'favorite', I can only presume you're from UK? Take care and have a
> > blessed
> > day!
> >
>
>
>
Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
Ralonne 31.07.2006 14:30:02
yes I did Suzanne and btw I'm a 'she' ...

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> I expect he meant "anal-retentive."
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
> all may benefit.
>
> <aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:44ca7d87[ at ]dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> > Thanks. Yes I am in Australia (also favourite) but ex-UK.
> >
> > What's A/R?
> >
> > "Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:10481072-077F-4D4D-A393-413E1B815234[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > > Hahahahaha! Loved your examples Aalaan! Thank you, BTW, for the
> > > spell/grammar newsgroup info. I've saved it off for my own reference.
> > >
> > > As for the 'illiteracy' you referenced in the other 'technical' newsgrp,
> > > OMG
> > > YESSS that drives me INSANE when people don't know proper usage (or
> > > they're /
> > > their / there) - and frankly I tend to discount them on a personal basis
> > > when
> > > I encounter it. I mean, c'mon, if they're not up on such things I
> figure
> > > my
> > > A/R tendencies will prob'ly make them as crazy as their english
> > > deficiencies
> > > make me lol! I have to confess, whenever I'm instant msg'g with someone,
> I
> > > tend to be lazy about capitalizing my Is as well but otherwise, I'm
> > > diligent
> > > about typing correctly. Those who seem to have no idea what the purpose
> of
> > > punctuation is amaze me frankly. How can they expect someone to follow
> > > their
> > > conversation if they don't know how to structure their sentences? Oh
> > > well -
> > > such is life online eh?
> > >
> > > Again TY for your invaluable assistance Aalaan, it's been great knowing
> > > I'm
> > > not alone here in my A/R tendencies lol. BTW based on your spelling of
> > > 'favorite', I can only presume you're from UK? Take care and have a
> > > blessed
> > > day!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Found an error in Word2003 grammar database
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill[ at ]mvps.org> 31.07.2006 14:53:45
Sorry, I thought it was Alan who had written that. I'm getting confused by
the snipping.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:382B80D5-DB56-455E-827D-BA5CB97C58E0[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> yes I did Suzanne and btw I'm a 'she' ...
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
> > I expect he meant "anal-retentive."
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > <aalaan[ at ]tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:44ca7d87[ at ]dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> > > Thanks. Yes I am in Australia (also favourite) but ex-UK.
> > >
> > > What's A/R?
> > >
> > > "Ralonne" <Ralonne[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:10481072-077F-4D4D-A393-413E1B815234[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > > > Hahahahaha! Loved your examples Aalaan! Thank you, BTW, for the
> > > > spell/grammar newsgroup info. I've saved it off for my own
reference.
> > > >
> > > > As for the 'illiteracy' you referenced in the other 'technical'
newsgrp,
> > > > OMG
> > > > YESSS that drives me INSANE when people don't know proper usage (or
> > > > they're /
> > > > their / there) - and frankly I tend to discount them on a personal
basis
> > > > when
> > > > I encounter it. I mean, c'mon, if they're not up on such things I
> > figure
> > > > my
> > > > A/R tendencies will prob'ly make them as crazy as their english
> > > > deficiencies
> > > > make me lol! I have to confess, whenever I'm instant msg'g with
someone,
> > I
> > > > tend to be lazy about capitalizing my Is as well but otherwise, I'm
> > > > diligent
> > > > about typing correctly. Those who seem to have no idea what the
purpose
> > of
> > > > punctuation is amaze me frankly. How can they expect someone to
follow
> > > > their
> > > > conversation if they don't know how to structure their sentences?
Oh
> > > > well -
> > > > such is life online eh?
> > > >
> > > > Again TY for your invaluable assistance Aalaan, it's been great
knowing
> > > > I'm
> > > > not alone here in my A/R tendencies lol. BTW based on your spelling
of
> > > > 'favorite', I can only presume you're from UK? Take care and have a
> > > > blessed
> > > > day!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

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