Cannot see a frame [WiredBox.Net

> I have a Word rtf file with a page whose text goes from the top of
> the
> page to the bottom of the page, overrunning headers well as footer.
> It
> is a table.
>
>
> By using CrossEyes, I could see that there were a few frames in
> there,
> screwing things up *this is a scanned file, and I think frames were
> automatically introduced).
>
> By converting the table to text,, and then converting to table
> again,
> the frames showed up, and I could delete them.
>
> Now, the questions:
>
> - how can you find frames in a Word file without having to guess
> where
> they are?
>
> - is there any way to search for, e.g., the word "Frame" in
> CrossEyes.
> It seems to make so much sense, but I have not found a search
> function
> in it.
>
> Hope someone has a few answers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans L
>
> --
>

> I can't comment on CrossEyes, which I'm not familiar with. However, in
> Word, you can display text boundaries: On the Tools menu, click
> Options. Click the View tab. Select the "Text boundaries" option, and
> click OK. Word will show dotted lines around any area that has text
> (or a paragraph mark, 6) in it. Thay way, it'll be easier to identify
> frames (and text boxes) without borders.

> Thanks, Stefan. However, that did not help me finding the frames, a
> few of which seems to be embedded in the table. Any tip?
>

> Hi Hans,
>
> > Thanks, Stefan. However, that did not help me finding the frames, a
> > few of which seems to be embedded in the table. Any tip?
> >
> Frames cannot be embedded in tables. Nor can textboxes. But textboxes
> can be formatted to be in front of or behind a table.
>
> What makes you think the "frames" are embedded in the table?

> However, that did not help me finding the frames, a
> > > few of which seems to be embedded in the table. Any tip?
> > >
> > Frames cannot be embedded in tables. Nor can textboxes. But textboxes
> > can be formatted to be in front of or behind a table.
> >
> > What makes you think the "frames" are embedded in the table?
>
> Because they were only visible after I had converted the table to text.
> But I was obviously using the wrong terminology.
>
> >
> > If these are textboxes, rather than frames, display the Drawing
> > toolbar and klick the button with the big white arrow. Now drage from
> > one corner of the page diagonallly down to the other corner (change
> > the zoom so you can do this easily). Any drawing object (including
> > textboxes) should be marked by little boxes around the sides.
>
>
> CrossEyes showed that they were frames and when I right-clicked on
> them, I got the menu with something like "Modify frame", and when I
> clicked it, I could delete the frames.
>
> The effect these frames have is that they somehow prevents the
> page-breaking of the tables that cover them. That is how I know kinda'
> that there probably are frames around. The tables start at the very
> top of the page, covering any header that is there, and goes to the
> bottom of the page, and it is not possible to scroll down to the bottom
> of the tables.
>

> Hi Hans,
>
> OK, if this is Word 2002 or 2003 (you haven't said) then a table can
> be formatted to go over a frame. They still aren't embedded, but they
> can be superimposed. It sounds like the problem is that, in these
> documents, "floating" tables aren't allowed to break to the next
> page. If this is Word 2002, then as I recall they simply can't. If
> it's Word 2003, it's a setting in Tools/Options/Compatibility that's
> making the tables behave like in Word 2002.
>
> I'm guessing these RTF files were generated by a scanning software.
> And this uses the tables and frames to recreate the original page
> layout. Such documents are usually incredibly difficult to edit
> because the scanning software is only concerned with making a
> "snapshot", not creating an editable, Word document.
>
> > However, that did not help me finding the frames, a
> > > > few of which seems to be embedded in the table. Any tip?
> > > >
> > > Frames cannot be embedded in tables. Nor can textboxes. But
> > > textboxes can be formatted to be in front of or behind a table.
> > >
> > > What makes you think the "frames" are embedded in the table?
> >
> > Because they were only visible after I had converted the table to
> > text. But I was obviously using the wrong terminology.
> >
> > >
> > > If these are textboxes, rather than frames, display the Drawing
> > > toolbar and klick the button with the big white arrow. Now drage
> > > from one corner of the page diagonallly down to the other corner
> > > (change the zoom so you can do this easily). Any drawing object
> > > (including textboxes) should be marked by little boxes around the
> > > sides.
> >
> >
> > CrossEyes showed that they were frames and when I right-clicked on
> > them, I got the menu with something like "Modify frame", and when I
> > clicked it, I could delete the frames.
> >
> > The effect these frames have is that they somehow prevents the
> > page-breaking of the tables that cover them. That is how I know
> > kinda' that there probably are frames around. The tables start at
> > the very top of the page, covering any header that is there, and
> > goes to the bottom of the page, and it is not possible to scroll
> > down to the bottom of the tables.
> >
>
> Cindy Meister
> INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
> http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005)
> http://www.word.mvps.org
>
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