I forgot my own password, yikes! Thomas Kufahl 05.07.2006 16:47:02 I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly forgot my password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to write it down. Has anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their password? I'm trying to imagine how one could retreive their own password. Do I have to give up and delete the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! Up the creek with no paddle!

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! RK Henry <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> 05.07.2006 18:31:50 On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700, Thomas Kufahl <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] >I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly forgot my >password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to write it down. Has >anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their password? I'm trying to imagine >how one could retreive their own password. Do I have to give up and delete >the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! >Up the creek with no paddle! I've been curious about this too. I haven't forgotten a password, but I have been a little concerned about how strong the password protection is. I did a Google search and found this: http://www.1000files.com/Utilities/Security_and_Encryption/OneNote_Password_17846_Review.html There's a downloadable demo that can find passwords of 3 characters. I created a 3-character nonsense word password for a password protected test section I created for the purpose. The demo did indeed find the password in a few seconds. That's a little disturbing. Spending money to remedy a poor memory is one thing. What worries me is if my notebook is stolen, how secure is my OneNote data? If I encrypt the OneNote files using Windows XP encryption feature, how much more security does that offer? Then the bad guys have to be able to figure out my login password before they can start working on my OneNote password. I guess if I had something really sensitive in my notes, I need to take more extreme measures to encrypt the note files. RK Henry

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! "Rainald Taesler" <taesler[ at ]gmx.de> 05.07.2006 19:47:58 RK Henry <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> shared these words of wisdom: _17846_Review.html [Quoted Text] > ... What worries me is if my notebook is stolen, > how secure is my OneNote data? Wrong approach, IMHO. Protect the *NOTEBOOK* and it's *HDD*, not the files. a) Use a PowerOn password. b) Protecting the HDD with a DriveLock is crucial. Protecting *files* is only a way to protect one's privacy in a network environment. Rainald

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! "Amos Soma" <amos_j_soma[ at ]yahoo.com> 05.07.2006 20:13:28 If your password is only three characters long, expect it to get hacked. All my passwords are at least eight characters with at least one punctuation character and one numeric. Amos. "RK Henry" <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> wrote in message news:lbvna2p94ogrjiansj1v48lvf4aqkfav71[ at ]4ax.com... [Quoted Text] > On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700, Thomas Kufahl > <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >>I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly forgot my >>password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to write it down. Has >>anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their password? I'm trying to imagine >>how one could retreive their own password. Do I have to give up and >>delete >>the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! >>Up the creek with no paddle! > > I've been curious about this too. I haven't forgotten a password, but > I have been a little concerned about how strong the password > protection is. I did a Google search and found this: > http://www.1000files.com/Utilities/Security_and_Encryption/OneNote_Password_17846_Review.html > > There's a downloadable demo that can find passwords of 3 characters. I > created a 3-character nonsense word password for a password protected > test section I created for the purpose. The demo did indeed find the > password in a few seconds. That's a little disturbing. > > Spending money to remedy a poor memory is one thing. What worries me > is if my notebook is stolen, how secure is my OneNote data? If I > encrypt the OneNote files using Windows XP encryption feature, how > much more security does that offer? Then the bad guys have to be able > to figure out my login password before they can start working on my > OneNote password. > > I guess if I had something really sensitive in my notes, I need to > take more extreme measures to encrypt the note files. > > RK Henry

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! Thomas Kufahl 05.07.2006 20:27:02 Hi, hi, I fear my question is getting lost in the activity. I'm still hoping that there is a way for me to find my password... Just me alone on this computer, I was only experimenting. Maybe my poor brain will remember, but, still, what happens if you loose or forget a password. Will I have to pay for my stupidity by deleting the section? CAN I even delete it? I'm glad my lifeline isn't in it, although my porn is, hehe. "Amos Soma" wrote: [Quoted Text] > If your password is only three characters long, expect it to get hacked. All > my passwords are at least eight characters with at least one punctuation > character and one numeric. > > Amos. > > > "RK Henry" <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:lbvna2p94ogrjiansj1v48lvf4aqkfav71[ at ]4ax.com... > > On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700, Thomas Kufahl > > <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > >>I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly forgot my > >>password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to write it down. Has > >>anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their password? I'm trying to imagine > >>how one could retreive their own password. Do I have to give up and > >>delete > >>the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! > >>Up the creek with no paddle! > > > > I've been curious about this too. I haven't forgotten a password, but > > I have been a little concerned about how strong the password > > protection is. I did a Google search and found this: > > http://www.1000files.com/Utilities/Security_and_Encryption/OneNote_Password_17846_Review.html > > > > There's a downloadable demo that can find passwords of 3 characters. I > > created a 3-character nonsense word password for a password protected > > test section I created for the purpose. The demo did indeed find the > > password in a few seconds. That's a little disturbing. > > > > Spending money to remedy a poor memory is one thing. What worries me > > is if my notebook is stolen, how secure is my OneNote data? If I > > encrypt the OneNote files using Windows XP encryption feature, how > > much more security does that offer? Then the bad guys have to be able > > to figure out my login password before they can start working on my > > OneNote password. > > > > I guess if I had something really sensitive in my notes, I need to > > take more extreme measures to encrypt the note files. > > > > RK Henry > > >

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! RK Henry <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> 05.07.2006 22:27:00 Well, of course, the demo only does 3-character passwords so I intentionally created a OneNote section and protected it with a 3-character password in order to evaluate the demo. To buy the full program that can find longer passwords is $39 dollars. It would, of course, be cheaper to just remember the password (a strong password) but I suppose that if one had lost the password to valuable notes then it might be worth the money.. That a simple brute-force attack on even a 3-character password is so effective is disturbing. I wonder if the program should somehow lock out repeated attempts and/or notify someone. Of course, this may be asking too much of an application like OneNote. Obviously, password protection in OneNote has to be considered to be about as effective as the lock on an old-fashioned diary that can be defeated with a bent paper clip. More sensitive notes should be protected by more powerful techniques, or protection in depth. OneNote is definitely no bank vault. RK Henry On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:13:28 -0400, "Amos Soma" <amos_j_soma[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote: [Quoted Text] >If your password is only three characters long, expect it to get hacked. All >my passwords are at least eight characters with at least one punctuation >character and one numeric. > >Amos. > > >"RK Henry" <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:lbvna2p94ogrjiansj1v48lvf4aqkfav71[ at ]4ax.com... >> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700, Thomas Kufahl >> <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >>>I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly forgot my >>>password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to write it down. Has >>>anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their password? I'm trying to imagine >>>how one could retreive their own password. Do I have to give up and >>>delete >>>the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! >>>Up the creek with no paddle! >> >> I've been curious about this too. I haven't forgotten a password, but >> I have been a little concerned about how strong the password >> protection is. I did a Google search and found this: >> http://www.1000files.com/Utilities/Security_and_Encryption/OneNote_Password_17846_Review.html >> >> There's a downloadable demo that can find passwords of 3 characters. I >> created a 3-character nonsense word password for a password protected >> test section I created for the purpose. The demo did indeed find the >> password in a few seconds. That's a little disturbing. >> >> Spending money to remedy a poor memory is one thing. What worries me >> is if my notebook is stolen, how secure is my OneNote data? If I >> encrypt the OneNote files using Windows XP encryption feature, how >> much more security does that offer? Then the bad guys have to be able >> to figure out my login password before they can start working on my >> OneNote password. >> >> I guess if I had something really sensitive in my notes, I need to >> take more extreme measures to encrypt the note files. >> >> RK Henry >

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! "Erik Sojka (MVP)" <esojka[ at ]ms-onenote.net.nospam> 06.07.2006 00:51:51 I think the previous poster was trying a 3-char password as part of the testing of the limited version of the PW cracking tool. He wasn't suggesting that a 3-character password was sufficient. "Amos Soma" <amos_j_soma[ at ]yahoo.com> wrote in news:ee4t79GoGHA.4604[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: [Quoted Text] > If your password is only three characters long, expect it to get > hacked. All my passwords are at least eight characters with at least > one punctuation character and one numeric. > > Amos. > > > "RK Henry" <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:lbvna2p94ogrjiansj1v48lvf4aqkfav71[ at ]4ax.com... >> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700, Thomas Kufahl >> <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >>>I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly >>>forgot my password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to write >>>it down. Has anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their password? >>>I'm trying to imagine how one could retreive their own password. Do >>>I have to give up and delete >>>the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! >>>Up the creek with no paddle! >> >> I've been curious about this too. I haven't forgotten a password, but >> I have been a little concerned about how strong the password >> protection is. I did a Google search and found this: >> http://www.1000files.com/Utilities/Security_and_Encryption/OneNote_Pas >> sword_17846_Review.html >> >> There's a downloadable demo that can find passwords of 3 characters. >> I created a 3-character nonsense word password for a password >> protected test section I created for the purpose. The demo did indeed >> find the password in a few seconds. That's a little disturbing. >> >> Spending money to remedy a poor memory is one thing. What worries me >> is if my notebook is stolen, how secure is my OneNote data? If I >> encrypt the OneNote files using Windows XP encryption feature, how >> much more security does that offer? Then the bad guys have to be able >> to figure out my login password before they can start working on my >> OneNote password. >> >> I guess if I had something really sensitive in my notes, I need to >> take more extreme measures to encrypt the note files. >> >> RK Henry > > >

Re: I forgot my own password, yikes! "Erik Sojka (MVP)" <esojka[ at ]ms-onenote.net.nospam> 06.07.2006 00:54:55 Unless you find a utility which can brute force the password (like the one mentioned elsewhere in the thread - is your pr0n worth $40?) then deleting the *.ONE file is the only way to go. That at least prevents someone else from finding your stash. Also as mentioned in this thread - use the other layers of protection available to you on Windows (EFS, strong Windows/domain password, etc.) and you shouldn't need to rely on OneNote's protection. /What kind of Note Flags do you use for pr0n? ;) =?Utf-8?B?VGhvbWFzIEt1ZmFobA==?= <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:626839C5-3247-4FD5-BA95-BD9F39E9A9C1[ at ]microsoft.com: [Quoted Text] > Hi, hi, I fear my question is getting lost in the activity. I'm > still hoping that there is a way for me to find my password... Just me > alone on this computer, I was only experimenting. Maybe my poor brain > will remember, but, still, what happens if you loose or forget a > password. Will I have to pay for my stupidity by deleting the > section? CAN I even delete it? I'm glad my lifeline isn't in it, > although my porn is, hehe. > > "Amos Soma" wrote: > >> If your password is only three characters long, expect it to get >> hacked. All my passwords are at least eight characters with at least >> one punctuation character and one numeric. >> >> Amos. >> >> >> "RK Henry" <robert.henry[ at ]earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:lbvna2p94ogrjiansj1v48lvf4aqkfav71[ at ]4ax.com... >> > On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700, Thomas Kufahl >> > <ThomasKufahl[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> > >> >>I only protected my dirty pictures as an experiment, but I truly >> >>forgot my password in a few hours, and wasn't careful enough to >> >>write it down. Has anyone ever be as dumb as to forget their >> >>password? I'm trying to imagine how one could retreive their own >> >>password. Do I have to give up and delete >> >>the section? Can I even delete the section? Help! Thanks much! >> >>Up the creek with no paddle! >> > >> > I've been curious about this too. I haven't forgotten a password, >> > but I have been a little concerned about how strong the password >> > protection is. I did a Google search and found this: >> > http://www.1000files.com/Utilities/Security_and_Encryption/OneNote_P >> > assword_17846_Review.html >> > >> > There's a downloadable demo that can find passwords of 3 >> > characters. I created a 3-character nonsense word password for a >> > password protected test section I created for the purpose. The demo >> > did indeed find the password in a few seconds. That's a little >> > disturbing. >> > >> > Spending money to remedy a poor memory is one thing. What worries >> > me is if my notebook is stolen, how secure is my OneNote data? If I >> > encrypt the OneNote files using Windows XP encryption feature, how >> > much more security does that offer? Then the bad guys have to be >> > able to figure out my login password before they can start working >> > on my OneNote password. >> > >> > I guess if I had something really sensitive in my notes, I need to >> > take more extreme measures to encrypt the note files. >> > >> > RK Henry >> >> >>