Highlighting text [WiredBox.Net - Office Newsgroups]

> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the container.
>
> What can one do to avoid that the highlight remains after having moved
> the text or the container?

> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the container.
>
> What can one do to avoid that the highlight remains after having moved
> the text or the container?
>
> Rainald

>> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the
>> container.
>>
>> What can one do to avoid that the highlight remains after
>> having moved the text or the container?

> srd <srd152000[ at ]yahoo.com> shared these words of wisdom:
>
>>> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the
>>> container. What can one do to avoid that the highlight remains after
>>> having moved the text or the container?
>
>> I don't see this issue. Is this maybe something one a tablet PC?
>> On my desktop computer, highlighting is attached to the text.
>
> This happens on my desktop.
> Did not yet check it on the TabletPC.
>
> Rainald
>

>>>> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the
>>>> container. What can one do to avoid that the highlight
>>>> remains after having moved the text or the container?
>>
>>> I don't see this issue. Is this maybe something one a tablet
>>> PC? On my desktop computer, highlighting is attached to the
>>> text.
>>
>> This happens on my desktop.
>> Did not yet check it on the TabletPC.

>> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the
>> container.
>>
>> What can one do to avoid that the highlight remains after
>> having moved the text or the container?
>
> That is one of my chief complaints about both versions of ON. The
> highlighting and any notes you may write about a section of text
> are just considered drawings that sit on the page with no
> association to the text they were written over.

> Grant Robertson <BOGUS[ at ]BOGUS.com> shared these words of wisdom:
>
>>> When a text is highlighted it is not tied to text, nor the
>>> container.
>>>
>>> What can one do to avoid that the highlight remains after
>>> having moved the text or the container?
>>
>> That is one of my chief complaints about both versions of ON. The
>> highlighting and any notes you may write about a section of text
>> are just considered drawings that sit on the page with no
>> association to the text they were written over.
>
> Exactly - at least if one uses "highlighter" pen.
> That's how I had done it - just as I was used to from Acrobat.
> Thanks to the last paragraph in your mail (see below - thank you so much
> for pointing into the right direction<!!!>) I meanwhile detected that
> there is another method of highlighting, i.e. marking a text and then
> selecting the highlighting feature from the text toolbar.
> It's the same way as it works in Word but it was not too obvious for me
> :-( :-(
>
> Anyway, this only works with *text*.
> It does not work with things imported via the ON-printer.
> And for the latter I would need it.
>
>> When you insert more text above the marked up section
>> all your markup is screwed up.
>
> Exactly.
> And the result is true nonsense.
>
>> This makes marking up text an entirely useless "feature."
>
> 100% d'accord.
> And it's a shame.
>
>> It looks good in demos because they never move the text.
>> But the nature of notes on a computer is that they should
>> be editable without trashing all your previous work.
>> Otherwise, why use a computer at all?
>
> LOL
> But honestly speaking: It's one of the most serious shortcomings.
> The "highlighter" pen is just useless.
> And even worse:
> If one has highlighted a document imported by printing and moves the
> document (which is a quite normal operation [what good would the
> containers be good for?]), the highlights now sitting in a wrong
> position cannot even be moved because they are out of reach (fully
> covered by the container). No way to get hold of them but moving away
> the container until it totally frees the space where the highlights are
> sitting.
> Only then the focus can be given to the highlights. And as there is no
> use in moving them (the container has to be moved back) one has to
> delete them, then move the container back and thereafter create the
> highlights anew. And the same ad nauseam if the container will be moved
> again later. [grrrrh]
>
> This IMO is the result of two things which IMHO are serious shortcomings
> of the basic design; they also have very bad results when using ink:
> 1.) Although there can be different layers (containers placed on top of
> each other, highlights, ink input), there is no way to give the focus to
> a piece lying below another one;
> 2.) There is no way to *group* containers and other items (pictures,
> highlights, ink) and by this treat them as a unit (as is usual in any
> graphics program, PowerPoint and even Word).
>
> Unless this will be changed in some later version (I do not think so as
> the development process seems to be completed in as far as basic design
> issues are concerned) I for one regard this as basic flaws and seriously
> wrong design decisions.
>
> Things like that can drive me up the wall ...
>
> I assume that some of the issues you are having with ink input (your
> postings on using Journal + ON 2003 + ON 2007; did not test that so far
> as at present I'm concentrating on the way ON works on a desktop) are
> related to the lack of these features too.
>
> It's really bad.
> I can easily annotate documents in Word on my tablet with my pen.
> I would need the same feature in ON.
> Nebbich.
>
>> As to your issue, it appears that you are using the pen to draw
>> highlighting over your text or to circle things using a
>> transparent pen color that looks like highlighting.
>
> Exactly. This was what I had done. So far I had missed the highlight
> button.
> But in the case being the cause of my posting I could not have used
> anything else as I had to highlight a part of imported material, not
> text.
>
>> If you use
>> the text select tool then choose the highlight button on the
>> toolbar (usually just next to the font color button) you can
>> highlight text or handwriting. What it really does is change the
>> color of the background for those characters but at least it
>> sticks with the words when they move around.
>
> Yes, it works this way.
> But it's not as comfortable as it should be.
> Marking the text first, then clicking the highlight button and doing
> this agin and again for each part of text to be highlighted is far
> inferior to a cursor behaving like a real-world highligther which can be
> used for "painting" on several parts of a document uno actu.
>
>> Unfortunately, you can't use this to circle areas and you
>> have to have the words you want to highlight selected
>> before you click the button.
>
> I'm with you in complaining on this!
> Really poor.
> Did no one check how these things are done in Acrobat??
>
> Rainald
> (who is very sad that ON in so far is so poor ... )
>
>

> That explains it - I have never used the highlighter pen.

> And even worse:
> If one has highlighted a document imported by printing and moves the
> document (which is a quite normal operation [what good would the
> containers be good for?]), the highlights now sitting in a wrong
> position cannot even be moved because they are out of reach (fully
> covered by the container). No way to get hold of them but moving away
> the container until it totally frees the space where the highlights
> are sitting.
> Only then the focus can be given to the highlights. And as there is no
> use in moving them (the container has to be moved back) one has to
> delete them, then move the container back and thereafter create the
> highlights anew. And the same ad nauseam if the container will be
> moved again later. [grrrrh]

> The only safe way I have found to "move" imported "printouts" is
> either before you mark on them or by making sure to never draw
> any ink that goes over the top or bottom edge of the imported
> page. Then you can wedge the insert space tool between the two
> pictures and move everything from there on down together. You
> have to make sure that ON doesn't think you are continuing a
> text box from one page to the other. There has to be absolutely
> nothing (not even an empty space of a text box) between the two
> pages when you insert space there or ON will move some things
> and not others. In fact, it may be safe to insert space between
> all of your pages ahead of time so you don't get trapped. But in
> a large document that can get pretty tedious. I kind of wish
> there were an option of how much space to insert between the
> pages of imported printouts.