> I don't represent anyone but myself. And I guess answering your post using
> the same tone constitutes insults - guess if you can't take it, don't dish
> it out.
>
> And exactly what do you expect the technical beta testers to do with install
> issues (none of which I have experienced)? Storm Microsoft and hold a gun
> to their head until they solve each and every install problem no matter how
> arcane the hardware/software combination? It is BETA 2, not an RC and no
> where near ready for public use except for those (like you) who want to run
> beta code. Microsoft did not PUSH this out to the public - last time I
> checked, YOU have to go to the page, YOU have to click on links, YOU have to
> download, YOU have to expand the installation package, YOU have to input the
> installation code... need I go on?
>
> Take some responsibility and quit blaming everyone except that face in the
> mirror when something doesn't go as planned.
>
> Oh, and RandyH, thanks, you too!
>
> --Â
> Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
>
> Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
> unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
> reading.
>
> After furious head scratching, RandyH asked:
>
> | Insults... Nice... I bet "Wild Bill" Gates wouldn't appreciate your
> | representing him or M$ in this way...
> |
> | Thanks for the added push away from the stable. So, all 10,000 of you
> | couldn't help push a better, more solid product out to the public?
> | You can call this what you will, but when you push to the general
> | public, you are attempting to build market interest and keep the
> | propaganda flowing so your sales will pay the bills. If the 10,000
> | of you were not able to catch install problems, let alone
> | functionality, this product won't go for another year! Or, if it
> | does, it will be as buggy as every other "FOR SALE" initial version
> | of M$ apps. Nice work and nice follow up, seems the clue-stick needs
> | to be sent in your direction a bit.
> |
> | Next time read before you flame... I didn't use it on anything but a
> | test box, I suggested people give up and wait for a later version.
> | As a developer I would not want to piss of my Beta USERS with crap
> | that would prevent them from someday buying. I, as anyone who might
> | really make a living from programming, would want the Beta USERS
> | experience to be as positive as possible. You never know who might
> | have some control over an International company with more than 40,000
> | desktops. Beta is not a 'get out of jail free' card when it comes to
> | a customer's experience.
> |
> | Oh and Milly, have a nice day!
> |
> |
> | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
> |
> || Listen, Microsoft already has about 10,000 official technical beta
> || testers (I am one of them) from whom they solicit feedback and bug
> || reports. Many of us have been using the betas since Alpha code.
> || Sorry if your experience has not been ideal, but what about BETA
> || don't you understand? The Office Beta front page clearly explains
> || that you may have problems, do not install on a production machine,
> || backup your critical data, and watch for potential corruption.
> || Microsoft is not trying to enlist public beta testers - you are a
> || beta USER, not a tester.
> ||
> || So, what is Microsoft supposed to do? Come into your home and beat
> || you over the head with a clue stick? Did you also read the part
> || about the software being provided "As is, with no support?"
> ||
> || If you really want to see the "whiz-bang" features without actually
> || installing Office 2007, then try the Test Drive.
> ||
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/beta/testdrive.mspx?showIntro=n> ||
> ||
> || --ÂÂ
> || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
> ||
> || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
> || unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
> || reading.
> ||
> || After furious head scratching, RandyH asked:
> ||
> ||| Well, I understand his pain and the others who are not as lucky as
> ||| you in this install. I've tryed for over a month on the test
> ||| machine with clean install of Vista Beta 2 (latest Version 5384)
> ||| and I have downloaded the Beta for Office three times and tried to
> ||| install a dozen times, some with all default options, some with
> ||| fewer components (custom) I've searched Microsoft and Google for
> ||| help on the error code generated with no real luck. There is
> ||| NOTHING else on this computer except Vista and the package for
> ||| Office Beta.
> |||
> ||| The processor is Athlon Barton 2500+, 1Gig Ram, 250Gig (empty hard
> ||| drive)
> |||
> ||| Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2007 (Beta)
> ||| Error 1935.An error occurred during the installation of assembly
> ||| component {97F81AF1-OE47-DC99-A01F-C883B9A1E18E}, HRESULT:
> ||| 0x8007054F.
> |||
> ||| Setup failed. Rolling back changes...
> |||
> |||
> ||| The error is always the same and it fails at about 80% install and
> ||| backs out.
> |||
> ||| I am a systems analyst for a large company who may someday wish to
> ||| roll out the newer version, but not at this rate of couse.
> |||
> ||| In any case, I give up. I've spent far more of my personal time
> ||| trying to get this to work just to try these new wiz-bang features
> ||| and improved interface and little or no real 'beta' support for the
> ||| software. If MS wants to continue to attract FREE Beta testers,
> ||| they need to improve the beta or improve the support to actually
> ||| listen to feed back and or problems.
> |||
> ||| If I released, even in beta or alpha, such a product to my internal
> ||| 'customers' I would loose my job.
> |||
> ||| In any case, feel for the people who have such faith in MS that they
> ||| believe it is safe to use these beta versions for real world needs.
> ||| They end up loving or hateing MS far more afterwords but generally
> ||| end up giving a LOT of their own time and efforts to making it work
> ||| or recovering what they can after an terrible flaw or bug takes them
> ||| out. MS should be more responsible about a beta program and limit
> ||| the distribution to a smaller group they can manage the feedback
> ||| from.
> |||
> ||| For others like myself who have tried a few times and failed, give
> ||| up! Wait for a new beta, or a more stable pre-release. However,
> ||| keep in mind these issues when you go to spend the cash on the final
> ||| product or try to convince your company of the value it 'might'
> ||| have.
> |||
> ||| I sure wish we had other options! :-)
> |||
> |||
> |||
> ||| "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:
> |||
> |||| Try and look at it this way:
> ||||
> |||| It's a *test version*. There are known problems with it. It can and
> |||| probably will screw something up on your system when it comes time
> |||| for it to expire. Only people with the beta will be able to read
> |||| the new format so you will have to remember to make sure you are
> |||| doing a Save As an older version before you send that file anyway.
> |||| Chances are it will expire at an inopportune moment. There's no
> |||| guarantee that you will have the cash on hand to buy the final
> |||| released version. There's no guarantee that there will not be a
> |||| gap between the expiration date and the final release.
> ||||
> |||| Need I continue?
> ||||
> |||| --
> ||||
> |||| JoAnn Paules
> |||| MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
> ||||
> ||||
> ||||
> ||||
> |||| "Valdoe" <Valdoe[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |||| news:D7343316-4DAD-4568-9D4B-15C05B15227E[ at ]microsoft.com...
> ||||| You must be one of the lucky ones.
> |||||
> ||||| I not wanting to start a flame war but I am here to get help.
> ||||| if I was the only one that had the problem I would be looking at
> ||||| my computer
> ||||| setup but I am not
> |||||
> ||||| If you check the board, many have said that they have the same
> ||||| problem with
> ||||| the same error.
> |||||
> ||||| Microsoft must realize that everyone that writes that there is
> ||||| many that just del the file and not bother.
> |||||
> ||||| I have downloaded 3 times on this computer and once on my laptop
> ||||| but same problem
> |||||
> ||||| "installation of this package failed"
> |||||
> ||||| My wife had a thought is this beta for US citz only?
> ||||| Will Try and download again but this time change location from AUS
> ||||| to US
> |||||
> ||||| "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:
> |||||
> |||||| Gee, then I shouldn't read this because I installed it with no
> |||||| issues.
> ||||||
> |||||| --
> ||||||
> |||||| JoAnn Paules
> |||||| MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
> ||||||
> ||||||
> ||||||
> ||||||
> |||||| "Valdoe" <Valdoe[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |||||| news:449D3A18-3D4F-44AC-ABA9-828228C9968A[ at ]microsoft.com...
> ||||||| Step By Step for the Dummies
> |||||||
> ||||||| Download Beta
> |||||||
> ||||||| Clicked on file to start installation
> |||||||
> ||||||| "Do You wish to proceed with installation" - click on Yes
> |||||||
> ||||||| ERROR MESSAGE "installation of this package failed"
> |||||||
> ||||||| THE PROBLEM is does not isstall and shuts down
> |||||||
> ||||||| (another frustrating non working microsoft product)
> |||||||
> |||||||
> ||||||| "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:
> |||||||
> |||||||| Yes, we heard that. And you *still* haven't told us what your
> |||||||| problem is.
> ||||||||
> |||||||| --
> ||||||||
> |||||||| JoAnn Paules
> |||||||| MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
>
>
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